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The return of Elijah .... Anyone heard this ...

 
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As Elijah was taken up to heaven, he threw his rough cloak to Elisha so that he would be able to take it back when he returned.

Elijah was a prophet to the ten northern tribes. The cloak would be passed down in their posession.

Don't worry, Obama has a fleet of drones looking for the man who is wearing that cloak.
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Elijah returned in the person of The Bab (1819-1850). The Shrine of the Bab is located in a beautiful gold-domed structure high on Mt Carmel overlooking the city of Haifa, Israel and the Mediterranean Sea.

The mission of the The Bab was to prepare the way for Baha'u'llah (literally "The Glory of God"), whose appearance and declaration to mankind in 1863 fulfilled the prophecy of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

His son, known as Abdu'l-Baha, explained this in a compilation of his talks titled "Some Answered Questions":

"Accordingly, today… we will refer to the explanation of the traditional proofs which are in the Holy Books. Until now, all that we have spoken of are rational proofs.

The state in which one should be to seriously search for the truth is the condition of the thirsty, burning soul desiring the water of life, of the fish struggling to reach the sea, of the sufferer seeking for the true doctor to obtain the divine cure, of the lost caravan endeavoring to find the right road, of the lost and wandering ship striving to reach the shore of salvation.

Therefore, the seeker must be endowed with certain qualities. First of all, he must be just and severed from all else save God; his heart must be entirely turned to the supreme horizon; he must be free from the bondage of self and passion, for all these are obstacles. Furthermore, he must be able to endure all hardships. He must be absolutely pure and sanctified, and free from the love or the hatred of the inhabitants of the world.

Why? because the fact of his love for any person or thing might prevent him from recognizing the truth in another, and, in the same way, hatred for anything might be a hindrance in discerning truth. This is the condition of seeking, and the seeker must have these qualities and attributes. Until he reaches this condition, it is not possible for him to attain to the Sun of Reality.

Let us now return to our subject. All the peoples of the world are awaiting two Manifestations, Who must be contemporaneous; all wait for the fulfillment of this promise. In the Bible the jewish people have the promise of the Lord of Hosts and the Messiah; in the Gospel the return of Christ and Elijah is promised.

In the religion of Muhammad there is the promise of the Mihdi and the Messiah, and it is the same with the Zoroastrian and the other religions, but if we relate these matters in detail, it would take too long. The essential fact is that all are promised two Manifestations, Who will come, one following on the other. It has been prophesied that in the time of these two Manifestations the earth will be transformed, the world of existence will be renewed, and beings will be clothed in new garments. Justice and truth will encompass the world; enmity and hatred will disappear; all causes of division among peoples, races and nations will vanish; and the cause of union, harmony and concord will appear. The negligent will awake, the blind will see, the deaf will hear, the dumb will speak, the sick will be cured, the dead will arise. War will give place to peace, enmity will be conquered by love, the causes of dispute and wrangling will be entirely removed, and true felicity will be attained. The world will become the mirror of the Heavenly Kingdom; humanity will be the Throne of Divinity. All nations will become one; all religions will be unified; all individual men will become of one family and of one kindred. All the regions of the earth will become one; the superstitions caused by races, countries, individuals, languages and politics will disappear; and all men will attain to life eternal, under the shadow of the Lord of Hosts.

Now we must prove from the Holy Books that these two Manifestations have come, and we must divine the meaning of the words of the Prophets, for we wish for proofs drawn from the Holy Books.

A few days ago, at table, we put forth rational proofs establishing the truth of these two Manifestations.

To conclude: in the Book of Daniel, from the rebuilding of Jerusalem to the martyrdom of Christ, seventy weeks are appointed; for by the martyrdom of Christ the sacrifice is accomplished and the altar destroyed.[1] This is a prophecy of the manifestation of Christ. These seventy weeks begin with the restoration and the rebuilding of Jerusalem, concerning which four edicts were issued by three kings.

[1 See Dan. 9:24.]

The first was issued by Cyrus in the year 536 B.C.; this is recorded in the first chapter of the Book of Ezra. The second edict, with reference to the rebuilding of Jerusalem, is that of Darius of Persia in the year 519 B.C.; this is recorded in the sixth chapter of Ezra. The third is that of Artaxerxes in the seventh year of his reign -- that is, in 457 B.C.; this is recorded in the seventh chapter of Ezra. The fourth is that of Artaxerxes in the year 444 B.C.; this is recorded in the second chapter of Nehemiah.

But Daniel refers especially to the third edict which was issued in the year 457 B.C. Seventy weeks make four hundred and ninety days. Each day, according to the text of the Holy Book, is a year. For in the Bible it is said: "The day of the Lord is one year.[1] Therefore, four hundred and ninety days are four hundred and ninety years. The third edict of Artaxerxes was issued four hundred and fifty-seven years before the birth of Christ, and Christ when He was martyred and ascended was thirty-three years of age. When you add thirty-three to four hundred and fifty-seven, the result is four hundred and ninety, which is the time announced by Daniel for the manifestation of Christ.

[1 Cf. Num. 14:34.]

But in the twenty-fifth verse of the ninth chapter of the Book of Daniel this is expressed in another manner, as seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; and apparently this differs from the first saying. Many have remained perplexed at these differences, trying to reconcile these two statements. How can seventy weeks be right in one place, and sixty-two weeks and seven weeks in another? These two sayings do not accord.

But Daniel mentions two dates. One of these dates begins with the command of Artaxerxes to Ezra to rebuild Jerusalem: this is the seventy weeks which came to an end with the ascension of Christ, when by His martyrdom the sacrifice and oblation ceased.

The second period, which is found in the twenty-sixth verse, means that after the termination of the rebuilding of Jerusalem until the ascension of Christ, there will be sixty-two weeks: the seven weeks are the duration of the rebuilding of Jerusalem, which took forty-nine years. When you add these seven weeks to the sixty-two weeks, it makes sixty-nine weeks, and in the last week (69-70) the ascension of Christ took place. These seventy weeks are thus completed, and there is no contradiction.

Now that the manifestation of Christ has been proved by the prophecies of Daniel, let us prove the manifestations of Bahá'u'lláh and of the Báb. Up to the present we have only mentioned rational proofs; now we shall speak of traditional proofs.

In the eighth chapter of the Book of Daniel, verse thirteen, it is said: "Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?" Then he answered (v. 14): "Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed"; (v. 17) "But he said unto me ... at the time of the end shall be the vision." That is to say, how long will this misfortune, this ruin, this abasement and degradation last? meaning, when will be the dawn of the Manifestation? Then he answered, "Two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

Briefly, the purport of this passage is that he appoints two thousand three hundred years, for in the text of the Bible each day is a year. Then from the date of the issuing of the edict of Artaxerxes to rebuild Jerusalem until the day of the birth of Christ there are 456 years, and from the birth of Christ until the day of the manifestation of the Báb there are 1844 years. When you add 456 years to this number it makes 2300 years. That is to say, the fulfillment of the vision of Daniel took place in the year A.D. 1844, and this is the year of the BÁB'S manifestation according to the actual text of the Book of Daniel. Consider how clearly he determines the year of manifestation; there could be no clearer prophecy for a manifestation than this.

In Matthew, chapter 24, verse 3, Christ clearly says that what Daniel meant by this prophecy was the date of the manifestation, and this is the verse: "As He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?" One of the explanations He gave them in reply was this (v. 15): "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)." In this answer He referred them to the eighth chapter of the Book of Daniel, saying that everyone who reads it will understand that it is this time that is spoken of. Consider how clearly the manifestation of the Báb is spoken of in the Old Testament and in the Gospel.

To conclude, let us now explain the date of the manifestation of Bahá'u'lláh from the Bible. The date of Bahá'u'lláh is calculated according to lunar years from the mission and the Hejira of Muhammad; for in the religion of Muhammad the lunar year is in use, as also it is the lunar year which is employed concerning all commands of worship.

In Daniel, chapter 12, verse 6, it is said: "And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by Him that liveth forever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half; and that when He shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished."[1]

[1 Cf. Dan. 12:6-7.]

As I have already explained the signification of one day, it is not necessary to explain it further; but we will say briefly that each day of the Father counts as a year, and in each year there are twelve months. Thus three years and a half make forty-two months, and forty-two months are twelve hundred and sixty days. The Báb, the precursor of Bahá'u'lláh, appeared in the year 1260 from the Hejira of Muhammad, by the reckoning of Islam.

Afterward, in verse 11, it is said: "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolation be set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."[1]

[1 The reference appears in verses 11 and 12.]

The beginning of this lunar reckoning is from the day of the proclamation of the prophethood of Muhammad in the country of Hijaz; and that was three years after His mission, because in the beginning the prophethood of Muhammad was kept secret, and no one knew it save Khadijah and Ibn Nawfal.[1]

After three years it was announced. And Bahá'u'lláh, in the year 1290 from the proclamation of the mission of Muhammad, caused His manifestation to be known.[2]

[1 Varaqat-Ibn-Nawfal, Khadijah's cousin.]

[2 The year 1290 from the proclamation of the mission of Muhammad was the year 1280 of the Hejira, or 1863-64 of our era. It was at this epoch (April 1863) that Bahá'u'lláh, on leaving Baghdad for Constantinople, declared to those who surrounded Him that He was the Manifestation announced by the Báb.

It is this declaration which the Bahá'ís celebrate by the Feast of Ridvan, this name being that of the garden at the entrance of the city, where Bahá'u'lláh stayed during twelve days, and where He made the declaration."
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when jc was crucified and called out eloi eloi etc, some in the crowd thought he was calling out to elijah
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He was reciting Psalm 22 to the Pharisees standing there mocking him to show them he was the true messiah and they just fulfilled prophecy . Christ never called YHWH God always Father .
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He wasn't referring to Yahweh when He called "father"
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Elijah and elisha is scientific metaphor for an ab negative child from parents of ab negative...the "prophet" line to john symbolizes negative blood and jesus symbolizes positive blood...all your answers to the "bible" are in this thread> 777 is the number of god and i am god...watch the video 'secrets of the super gods' in the thread..the bible is a recopy from the Egyptians scientific metaphor science book...the Mayans had the same bible,then the Aztecs,then the Vatican put their culture spin on it of names and places and added the number 0 on all the numbers that have a 0 ending now...the mayan warned of the added zero from their 0 concept...instead of 144000,its 14,400 years the galactic alinements occur and the suns radiation changes...the gods come back this year,we are already here,the radiation also breaks peoples 7 seals/7 chakras open..heartsI'm AB negative and gave the god diet and manna to greatly speed the process that the secret societies already know of...if you aren't in a secret society,you are considered "in the world" and as its written "and the whole world was deceived"...the "world/masses" are show the symbolism from the "outside world" of everyone's kingdom of god within...to build the 3rd temple means to build yourself as the body is the temple...so i am an Elijah telling the everyone to prepare their temple to be a jesus within like romans 8:14 says you can be...and as the Olympics symbolism said when Big Ben started chiming at 8:12 for 3 minutes>8:12 + 2 minutes equal Romans 8:14 AND the extra minute was symbolism telling everyone they can be 1/a son of god aka a jesus in your temple/body and in your kingdom/brain...the same thing i teach in my thread>777 is the number of god and i am god.
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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As Elijah was taken up to heaven, he threw his rough cloak to Elisha so that he would be able to take it back when he returned.

Elijah was a prophet to the ten northern tribes. The cloak would be passed down in their posession.

Don't worry, Obama has a fleet of drones looking for the man who is wearing that cloak.
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they already know its me/i exploded a lightbulb a few years ago and scared the sh*t out of a doc who stuttered "you know you can use that for good or bad,dont ya?"...i have the return white house emails where they do as i tell them when i am asked about bills to pass..i made the queen take the train last Christmas in an email on the Windsor site..the clan mcbain, hidden in the British royal crest as the right hoof of the unicorn..my ancestral DNA memories have awaken me and unchained me..of course you may ask ,why is he on this website...because i have a mission with open minded intelligence people here...the gods come back this year,they are already here and just need to awake using the potassium iodide KI Crystals and the god diet will speed the process...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Waterman has been vindicated. See "Elijah return 4th of July 2012" thread. Elijah is back!
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Perhaps these Earth images will help us understand what the relationship between Elijah and John is about.

Elijah is there to set the record straight (to restore all things), and John is about service to God with his Book of Revelations and helping humanity to prepare the way for the God's return, and teaching humanity what stands in the favor of God, and what does not.

So in his Book of Revelations, John describes these things:

1. THE LOCUST. The first picture is of the Locust (Revelation 9) in the landscape. One is the raw GoogleEarth image, the other is my Photoshopped Version to help you see it better. It spans 2 miles across the mountain landscape of Utah.

[link to photos3.meetupstatic.com]
[link to photos1.meetupstatic.com]


2. THE BEAST OF REVELATION. This picture is of the Beast of the Earth with the feet of a bear and teeth of a lion (Revelation 13). John looks like a burn victim. Recall that he was submerged in a cauldron of hot oil as punishment by the Romans for speaking the words of God. I gave him back his features in the Photoshopped artist rendition. John is 1.5 miles in length, the entire image is 3 miles wide across one of the tallest mountains in the area (8000' elevation)

[link to photos3.meetupstatic.com]
[link to photos1.meetupstatic.com]


3. THE WOMAN GIVEN TWO WINGS OF AN EAGLE (Revelation 12)

[link to photos1.meetupstatic.com]
[link to photos4.meetupstatic.com]


Every single one of Johns visions that he wrote about in his Book of Revelations is found in this area of Utah.

The truth of the Apocalypse derives its basis from the foundations of the Earth.

[link to youtu.be]


God Bless.
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Perhaps these Earth images will help us understand what the relationship between Elijah and John is about.

Elijah is there to set the record straight (to restore all things), and John is about serving God with his Book of Revelations and warning humanity to prepare the way in terms of what stands in the favor of God, and what does not.

1. The first picture is of the Locust (Revelation 9) in the landscape. One is the raw GoogleEarth image, the other is my Photoshopped Version to help you see it better. It spans 2 miles across the mountain landscape of Utah.

[link to photos3.meetupstatic.com]
[link to photos1.meetupstatic.com]


2. This picture is of the Beast with the feet of a bear and teeth of a lion (Revelation 13). John looks like a burn victim. Recall that he was submerged in a cauldron of hot oil as punishment by the Romans for speaking the words of God. I gave him back his features in the Photoshopped artist rendition. John is 1.5 miles in length, the entire image is 3 miles wide across one of the tallest mountains in the area (8000' elevation)

[link to photos3.meetupstatic.com]
[link to photos1.meetupstatic.com]


3. This picture is of the Woman Given Two Wings of an Eagle (Revelation 12)

[link to photos1.meetupstatic.com]
[link to photos4.meetupstatic.com]


Every single one of Johns visions that he wrote about in his Book of Revelations is found in this area of Utah.

The truth of the Apocalypse derives its basis from the foundations of the Earth.

[link to youtu.be]


God Bless.
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It references the seed of Eve that is to take the bruise to the heel, the cross was that event, it has nothing to do with the 2nd bruise from Ge:3:15 as that come years later, still haven't got to the part where the prophecies about that bruise begin to unflod. The calling of John marked a point that was 3 1/2 years away from the bruise, the 5th trump marks the point that is 3 1/2 years away from Satan being bound and put in the Pit, that is the 2nd bruise.

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