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Secret Codes In The Bible And The Torah? Investigators YES! KMPH FOX 26

 
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FRESNO, Calif. (KMPH) - Christians and jewish people share the first five books of the Bible. jewish people call that the Torah, the sacred scrolls revered in every synagogue in the world.

They believe they contain the words of God given directly to Moses roughly 33-hundred years ago.

But now a group of researchers says hidden within those words may be messages for us about this year -- 2012.

Rabbi Rick Winer of Temple Beth Israel in Fresno sings an ancient song.

"We have carried this tradition for thousands of years and even before we carried the scrolls we carried the melody," Rabbi Winer said.

The words of the Torah set to music. But a group of Jewish researchers say these ancient scrolls may also carry something else. Hidden, encoded details about our time and this very year.

"There is a code in the Torah. The first five books of the Old Testament. The code is real and mathematically provable. The advent of the computer has made it possible." This is from a trailer for "Torah Code 2012" -- a new documentary in progress.

Nearly 30 years ago Dr. Eliyahu Rips and a team of Jewish mathematicians became the first to use computers to search for equidistant letter codes in the Torah, and they say they found them.

"We cannot pretend that we have a real full grasp of it but using the means at our disposal we can see it is real," said Dr. Rips, a mathematician and code researcher.

They published a paper on their findings. Several books and much debate followed, but so has a steady stream of stunning "code tables." Rips and other researchers say they continue to find...with startling details about current events. But it was a documentary filmmaker's question that turned their search to this year.

"And I said so what does the Torah code say about 2012? About a week later I get a call from Jerusalem and it's Glazerson and he said, 'Oh this is brilliant. We found all kinds of tables on 2012.' A few minutes later I get a call from Professor Haralick from New York and he said, 'Richard you don't know what you've started. They've actually set up a meeting with the high Rabbi in Jerusalem to see if they can do your project with you,' and I said, 'they did?' And I said, 'why?' Because of what they've discovered about 2012 really stunned them," said Richard Shaw, with Pinlight Productions.

Not with the stuff of the Mayan calendar or Hollywood movies but with a scenario virtually ripped from today's headlines.

"Vashanaya is the year which one ve ta shin ein vet 5772, which is 2012," said Rabbi Matityahu Glazerson, a Torah code researcher.

"We have a bunch of tables on war, on World War," said Shaw.

"This is Case Olam the end of the world," said Rabbi Glazerson.

But also in the 2012 codes, says Shaw, the hope of a biblical promise fulfilled.

"There's a number of 2012 tables that talk about redemption, and they're usually connected a lot with the return of the Messiah," said Shaw.

"Here is Gerulatiel. It will be a time of redemption," said Rabbi Glazerson.

And a date.

"Passover which is Pesach which is a date for redemption for the Jewish people," said Rabbi Glazerson.

Passover...April 6 through 14, 2012. But both the researchers and Shaw say this is not a prediction.

"The Torah is not a crystal ball and none of us believe we should use it in that respect," said Shaw.

They say it is simply what they have found, encoded messages in the Torah for 2012. Messages that many choose not to believe in at all.

"Most within the mainstream Jewish community look at that and say well it's a neat trick but it's not necessarily going to guide the way we live our lives. Wether it has every event spelled out into it, if someone wants to believe that, that's fine. Me not so much," said Rabbi Winer.

But those who do believe say it won't be long before we will all see what if any meaning the 2012 Torah codes have for us.

"We feel like we're kind of entering into that period. It seems like all of those things are lining up. All the ancient prophecies and things are happening in the world today," said Shaw.

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It's the equivalent of the infinite monkeys with infinite typewriters.
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It's the equivalent of the infinite monkeys with infinite typewriters.
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You have no clue how much Study and Dedication goes into studying the *Torah* as these Rabbi's studies....

That is what has made them always bring light to a world that would of remained in the dark...
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Perhaps not, but I understand the method behind their "Bible Codes" and it's crap.
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Perhaps not, but I understand the method behind their "Bible Codes" and it's crap.
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What is it that you think you know?

These Rabbi's study the numbers of GOD given in the original language of Hebrew and the technology we have today enables them to find hidden messages in the Torah as codes...
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Has anyone bothered to ask the question:

If all of this is pre-known, pre-destined, and pre-determined, then why bother in the first place? What is the point of living with supposed "free-will" if your fate has already been determined?

It is a paradox. With "free-will", the future is unknown and can be interesting and something new. Without "free-will", there is no point to experiencing life in the first place, as the outcome is already known. Thus, it is a useless endeavour.

So which is it? Are we programmed robots? Or are we free-willed beings existing in a matrix (for lack of a better word) designed specifically to rob us of that free-will via an elaborate illusion.
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Perhaps not, but I understand the method behind their "Bible Codes" and it's crap.
 Quoting: t3h3nd15n34r


What is it that you think you know?

These Rabbi's study the numbers of GOD given in the original language of Hebrew and the technology we have today enables them to find hidden messages in the Torah as codes...
 Quoting: christian


Rabbi's (Judaism) reject's Christ and apart from the first few books of the Bible they reject God's word,they remain under the Judgment of God.

ACTS 4
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name UNDER HEAVEN given among men, whereby we must be saved.
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Has anyone bothered to ask the question:

If all of this is pre-known, pre-destined, and pre-determined, then why bother in the first place? What is the point of living with supposed "free-will" if your fate has already been determined?

It is a paradox. With "free-will", the future is unknown and can be interesting and something new. Without "free-will", there is no point to experiencing life in the first place, as the outcome is already known. Thus, it is a useless endeavour.

So which is it? Are we programmed robots? Or are we free-willed beings existing in a matrix (for lack of a better word) designed specifically to rob us of that free-will via an elaborate illusion.
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Your Free Will gives you the ability to freely seek GOD his truth,his grace, his salvation...He does not force that upon you, so you do have Free Will.....
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Perhaps not, but I understand the method behind their "Bible Codes" and it's crap.
 Quoting: t3h3nd15n34r


What is it that you think you know?

These Rabbi's study the numbers of GOD given in the original language of Hebrew and the technology we have today enables them to find hidden messages in the Torah as codes...
 Quoting: christian


Rabbi's (Judaism) reject's Christ and apart from the first few books of the Bible they reject God's word,they remain under the Judgment of God.

ACTS 4
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name UNDER HEAVEN given among men, whereby we must be saved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1548794


Israel will be saved.....

GOD has not forgotten them, and they will come to know Jesus Christ as their Messiah, the one they have been waiting for...
Susie

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.....Matthew 6:21
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OP is looney tunes and believes in childs stories.

When they predict something before it happens YOU let as all know. Until then please keep quiet.

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Perhaps not, but I understand the method behind their "Bible Codes" and it's crap.
 Quoting: t3h3nd15n34r


What is it that you think you know?

These Rabbi's study the numbers of GOD given in the original language of Hebrew and the technology we have today enables them to find hidden messages in the Torah as codes...
 Quoting: christian


The heimies would be better off reading it. Then they would find their Messiah whom their fathers crucified ....
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What is it that you think you know?

These Rabbi's study the numbers of GOD given in the original language of Hebrew and the technology we have today enables them to find hidden messages in the Torah as codes...
 Quoting: christian


When the same methods are applied to other texts, similar results can be obtained.

[link to cs.anu.edu.au]
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When they skip letters to look for codes, they literally create thousands of bodies of text to sort through for "codes." It's bogus. It's a sham. It's simply not real.
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OP, thank you for posting this thread. They mentioned a documentary regarding 2012 and their findings, do you know if it has it been released yet? If so, where and when it will run? Thanks again, OP.

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Has anyone bothered to ask the question:

If all of this is pre-known, pre-destined, and pre-determined, then why bother in the first place? What is the point of living with supposed "free-will" if your fate has already been determined?

It is a paradox. With "free-will", the future is unknown and can be interesting and something new. Without "free-will", there is no point to experiencing life in the first place, as the outcome is already known. Thus, it is a useless endeavour.

So which is it? Are we programmed robots? Or are we free-willed beings existing in a matrix (for lack of a better word) designed specifically to rob us of that free-will via an elaborate illusion.
 Quoting: jailerson



the answer is that God does not experience time

Time is an artifact of your experience in reality


also, just because the author knows the end of the book, doesn't mean that your reading it is a seperate journey

just because God knows your fate does not detract from your experience
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When the same methods are applied to other texts, similar results can be obtained.

[link to cs.anu.edu.au]
[link to cs.anu.edu.au]

When they skip letters to look for codes, they literally create thousands of bodies of text to sort through for "codes." It's bogus. It's a sham. It's simply not real.
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I don't think you understand the process.

The probability that events can be found in the Torah is many orders of magnitude higher than in monkey texts, and the messages in the Torah contain not only dates but relevant shapes.

You got some learnin' to do.
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When they predict something before it happens YOU let as all know. Until then please keep quiet.
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you mean like the assasination of Isaak Rabin, who was warned not to give the speech because the Torah predicted his death but he did anyway and was shot?
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People do greatly er when it comes to the things written in Torah; in the first place the first five books are not Torah , only part of Torah. For them the do not know how to spell Torah does not start with the letter P; Torah is she but what is wisdom to the faithless. There are examples how it was found in the law that Moses wrote about people that did not yet live; it does say the secret things belong unto jew but those things revealed belong unto us and our children that we keep this law. Prophecy does not come so one can say," this will happen and then say see I told you so". Prophecy that comes and even from Torah says the same thing the prophets said; in some cases when the word is bad and says you will end you are not supposed to wait for death but ask why. Have you done good is it your right time; have you chose evil do you need to change something. Dont mock my father in mocking them for waiting on Elijah and the return of my father; he did tell jewish people first before the gentiles that this same you seen go up into the clouds would come the same way they seen him go, from among them. Sometimes the error in scripture is wiith them that believe not what the scripture says.
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