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“Out of this war, the greatest since the beginning of history, a new world must be born, a world that would justify the sacrifices offered by humanity. This new world must be a world in which there shall be no exploitation of the weak by the strong, of the good by the evil; where there will be no humiliation of the poor by the violence of the rich; where the products of intellect, science and art will serve society for the betterment and beautification of life, and not the individuals for achieving wealth.This new world shall not be a world of the downtrodden and humiliated, but of free men and free nations, equal in dignity and respect for man.”

-Nikola Tesla
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Our constitution will need to be re written and global cooperation must take place under the ideals listed above
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T'would seem Nikola Tesla had a poor understanding of humanity.
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T'would seem Nikola Tesla had a poor understanding of humanity.
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Elaborate



we live in a world today where the countries you and I live in exploit the weak for economic gain...
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nb4 shills come
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T'would seem Nikola Tesla had a poor understanding of humanity.
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Elaborate



we live in a world today where the countries you and I live in exploit the weak for economic gain...
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Because he thinks his utopia is achievable.
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T'would seem Nikola Tesla had a poor understanding of humanity.
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Elaborate



we live in a world today where the countries you and I live in exploit the weak for economic gain...
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Because he thinks his utopia is achievable.
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It is :)

soon enough
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T'would seem Nikola Tesla had a poor understanding of humanity.
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Elaborate



we live in a world today where the countries you and I live in exploit the weak for economic gain...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178982


Because he thinks his utopia is achievable.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


It is :)

soon enough
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You do not understand humanity either.

Besides, everyone has different ideas of utopia.
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we live in a world today where the countries you and I live in exploit the weak for economic gain...
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Because he thinks his utopia is achievable.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


It is :)

soon enough
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You do not understand humanity either.

Besides, everyone has different ideas of utopia.
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What don't I understand, buddy?


Besides, no where in any of my posts has the word Utopia been mentioned
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Because he thinks his utopia is achievable.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


It is :)

soon enough
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You do not understand humanity either.

Besides, everyone has different ideas of utopia.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia



What don't I understand, buddy?


Besides, no where in any of my posts has the word Utopia been mentioned
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A utopia does seem to be what the quote in the OP is calling for.

You do not need to mention something to actually talk about it.
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It is :)

soon enough
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You do not understand humanity either.

Besides, everyone has different ideas of utopia.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia



What don't I understand, buddy?


Besides, no where in any of my posts has the word Utopia been mentioned
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A utopia does seem to be what the quote in the OP is calling for.

You do not need to mention something to actually talk about it.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


Aren't all governments working towards "ideal" societies?


Have fun with the current system then :)
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You do not understand humanity either.

Besides, everyone has different ideas of utopia.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia



What don't I understand, buddy?


Besides, no where in any of my posts has the word Utopia been mentioned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178982

A utopia does seem to be what the quote in the OP is calling for.

You do not need to mention something to actually talk about it.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


Aren't all governments working towards "ideal" societies?


Have fun with the current system then :)
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Ideal, yes.
However, what is described in the OP is impossible.
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What don't I understand, buddy?


Besides, no where in any of my posts has the word Utopia been mentioned
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A utopia does seem to be what the quote in the OP is calling for.

You do not need to mention something to actually talk about it.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


Aren't all governments working towards "ideal" societies?


Have fun with the current system then :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178982


Ideal, yes.
However, what is described in the OP is impossible.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


I don't believe you have the qualifications to determine what is and isn't impossible and you certainly haven't provided any evidence that it is impossible.

I am interested in what has swayed you to think this way.
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A utopia does seem to be what the quote in the OP is calling for.

You do not need to mention something to actually talk about it.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


Aren't all governments working towards "ideal" societies?


Have fun with the current system then :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178982


Ideal, yes.
However, what is described in the OP is impossible.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


I don't believe you have the qualifications to determine what is and isn't impossible and you certainly haven't provided any evidence that it is impossible.

I am interested in what has swayed you to think this way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178982


In the same sense that you do not have the qualifications to say what is and what is not possible.

Anywho, I suppose I am being arrogant, I just do not understand how you can view humanity and think what you described in the OP is possible.
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T'would seem Nikola Tesla had a poor understanding of humanity.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


Elaborate



we live in a world today where the countries you and I live in exploit the weak for economic gain...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178982


Because he thinks his utopia is achievable.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


It is :)

soon enough
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how--otherwie, your just another socialist douche that doesnt understand basic economics.

i have ideas on the how, meritocracy, getting politics out of governance, having man reflect on his own impulses to realize the ego is an illusion ...concepts on god, etc.

what do you have,

dont just make a general statement or elusive optimistic speculative projection, I do that enough by watching the stock market.

deliniate your idea, otherwise your just a dogmatic fanatic like stalin or religious dogma....rule of man bs.

be specific, or get out.
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“Out of this war, the greatest since the beginning of history, a new world must be born, a world that would justify the sacrifices offered by humanity. This new world must be a world in which there shall be no exploitation of the weak by the strong, of the good by the evil; where there will be no humiliation of the poor by the violence of the rich; where the products of intellect, science and art will serve society for the betterment and beautification of life, and not the individuals for achieving wealth.This new world shall not be a world of the downtrodden and humiliated, but of free men and free nations, equal in dignity and respect for man.”

-Nikola Tesla
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Your wicked schemes will only bring judgement upon yourselves.

Psalms 37:20

But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD [shall be] as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.


Revelation 6:12-17 (NKJV)

12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold,[a] there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders,[c] the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Yes! Amen!
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A utopia does seem to be what the quote in the OP is calling for.

You do not need to mention something to actually talk about it.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


Aren't all governments working towards "ideal" societies?


Have fun with the current system then :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178982


Ideal, yes.
However, what is described in the OP is impossible.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


I don't believe you have the qualifications to determine what is and isn't impossible and you certainly haven't provided any evidence that it is impossible.

I am interested in what has swayed you to think this way.
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I dont think its impossible, i just think that based on your general blank statement, it is highly unlikely. It is, granted, a calculation.

The statement you made is very socialist...it makes me think you are a democrat. People who actually change things usually dont talk in general terms oyu see, they talk specific systems, the yare usually engineers or very motivated entrepreneurs working on the private secotfs...sometimes you find very smart people in the humanities department but they are more concerned with getting their ass kissed ...you know th ego, the very impulse that leads stock brokers to destroy an economy...

if im mistaken, im apologized, im actually curious as to what you are talking about, even if you are just seeking attention. Everyone needs their boredom kept at bay from time to time.
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A utopia does seem to be what the quote in the OP is calling for.

You do not need to mention something to actually talk about it.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


Aren't all governments working towards "ideal" societies?


Have fun with the current system then :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178982


Ideal, yes.
However, what is described in the OP is impossible.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


I don't believe you have the qualifications to determine what is and isn't impossible and you certainly haven't provided any evidence that it is impossible.

I am interested in what has swayed you to think this way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178982


I dont think its impossible, i just think that based on your general blank statement, it is highly unlikely. It is, granted, a calculation.

The statement you made is very socialist...it makes me think you are a democrat. People who actually change things usually dont talk in general terms oyu see, they talk specific systems, the yare usually engineers or very motivated entrepreneurs working on the private secotfs...sometimes you find very smart people in the humanities department but they are more concerned with getting their ass kissed ...you know th ego, the very impulse that leads stock brokers to destroy an economy...

if im mistaken, im apologized, im actually curious as to what you are talking about, even if you are just seeking attention. Everyone needs their boredom kept at bay from time to time.
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I think it was Lenin who said something like "We won't need to raise the communist flag in america, eventually they will do it for us".

In a comminist society, the government creates the jobs and controls the means of production.

Nowadays, americans clamor for the "government" to create jobs. They "want" the government to control business.

Break out that commie flag.
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the only way tgo truely get a utopia is to either (1) change the individual (2) technology and change the individual (like, sya, massive robotic automation, increasing standard of living, singularity, forcing self reflection---awareness of the source code...stable system)

these sorts of things.....

you dont accomplish anything from the top down you jsut amplify imperfections in the system. this is pretty standard in information theory and game theory....game design....

you can't make a system inherently better unless the mechanics of the game, the checks and balances, are made to optimize utility.......but that is seldom accomplished by top down--rather, better game design...this would require radical rethinking of government, making it representative----and it would not require more intervention....better game design, which comes with representation...

unless you do that or change human nature.....then any top down is just going to amplify the imperfections already in the system...this solves nothing, it just becomes a grid like tron but a psychological mindscape where people battle for control through rule of man
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Aren't all governments working towards "ideal" societies?


Have fun with the current system then :)
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Ideal, yes.
However, what is described in the OP is impossible.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


I don't believe you have the qualifications to determine what is and isn't impossible and you certainly haven't provided any evidence that it is impossible.

I am interested in what has swayed you to think this way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178982


In the same sense that you do not have the qualifications to say what is and what is not possible.

Anywho, I suppose I am being arrogant, I just do not understand how you can view humanity and think what you described in the OP is possible.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


I have only quoted Nikola Tesla, no where did I make a statement on my views of humanity.

Tesla on the other hand, did have the qualifications to make this claim.
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the only way tgo truely get a utopia is to either (1) change the individual (2) technology and change the individual (like, sya, massive robotic automation, increasing standard of living, singularity, forcing self reflection---awareness of the source code...stable system)

these sorts of things.....

you dont accomplish anything from the top down you jsut amplify imperfections in the system. this is pretty standard in information theory and game theory....game design....

you can't make a system inherently better unless the mechanics of the game, the checks and balances, are made to optimize utility.......but that is seldom accomplished by top down--rather, better game design...this would require radical rethinking of government, making it representative----and it would not require more intervention....better game design, which comes with representation...

unless you do that or change human nature.....then any top down is just going to amplify the imperfections already in the system...this solves nothing, it just becomes a grid like tron but a psychological mindscape where people battle for control through rule of man
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the governments role should be desinging a good utilitarain game....it should be the brilliant game designer, the mathematician that comes up with chess, and then it leets the system flow and the peices fall where they may. You seem to be advocatin more intervention and less freedom. There ARE systems that reduce freedom and are more utilitarian.....ill keep them to myself.....but intervention with ideals is a pretty standard historical recipe for disaster
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Ideal, yes.
However, what is described in the OP is impossible.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


I don't believe you have the qualifications to determine what is and isn't impossible and you certainly haven't provided any evidence that it is impossible.

I am interested in what has swayed you to think this way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178982


In the same sense that you do not have the qualifications to say what is and what is not possible.

Anywho, I suppose I am being arrogant, I just do not understand how you can view humanity and think what you described in the OP is possible.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


I have only quoted Nikola Tesla, no where did I make a statement on my views of humanity.

Tesla on the other hand, did have the qualifications to make this claim.
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Nikola Tesla was a mechanical engineer and electrical engineer, he was not a sociologist or qualified in any of the social sciences for that matter, so no, he is not qualified to make that claim.
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the most utilitarian however is the one that coincides with individual libertiy...there seems to be this weird notion that utilitarian systems NEED to reduce freedom, but that is incorrect, the most liberty for the individual COINCIDES with the utilitrain end for the collective. because the collective is made of individuals...if people feel insecure about getting their bodyrecycled because of some utilitarian doctrine...then they will act and behave in a way that is less giving and more surival basedd...this lowers total utility...

systems that are more prone to freedom have people contribute to society because tHEY FEEEL justified...or self actualized...any management course will show you that most employees' main satisfaction is not salary, but a feeling of fullfilment..both as people and working toward a goal, such as in a group.
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anyway, if you are talking in general terms....from a purely technical perspective...yes, this is the way it SHOULD be.

and there are many ways to achieve it. ill just observe for now.
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Everyone requires challenges in life in order to have meaning and if the intelligent and productive were forced to “share” everything equally then what motivation do they have to create for no return for their efforts.

What would motivate those who have become dependant upon the government to provide for them without their returning anything to society? Or do you suggest they remain a burden upon the backs of others and how long do you thing this would continue once the workers got fed up and took to drinking, drugs or whatever as why should they bother.

Who will enforce this upon the world population by your own description suggests that your “perfect” world amounts to at least communism whereby you have the rule makers who control the rule enforcers then in turn control the masses.
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“Out of this war, the greatest since the beginning of history, a new world must be born, a world that would justify the sacrifices offered by humanity. This new world must be a world in which there shall be no exploitation of the weak by the strong, of the good by the evil; where there will be no humiliation of the poor by the violence of the rich; where the products of intellect, science and art will serve society for the betterment and beautification of life, and not the individuals for achieving wealth.This new world shall not be a world of the downtrodden and humiliated, but of free men and free nations, equal in dignity and respect for man.”

-Nikola Tesla
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People should be allowed to keep the fruits of their labor. I'm not busting my hump so others can sit on their asses....no thanks.
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the most utilitarian however is the one that coincides with individual libertiy...there seems to be this weird notion that utilitarian systems NEED to reduce freedom, but that is incorrect, the most liberty for the individual COINCIDES with the utilitrain end for the collective. because the collective is made of individuals...if people feel insecure about getting their bodyrecycled because of some utilitarian doctrine...then they will act and behave in a way that is less giving and more surival basedd...this lowers total utility...

systems that are more prone to freedom have people contribute to society because tHEY FEEEL justified...or self actualized...any management course will show you that most employees' main satisfaction is not salary, but a feeling of fullfilment..both as people and working toward a goal, such as in a group.
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what usually happens is that someone takes advantage of freedom, usually through politics and biases the grid or game ...this creates a self justifying imperfection where the game is no longer utilitarian...this is not a big concept this happens all the time...it happens in high school in the US, it happens in the workforce, everywhere...

the ego will desire to bias the rules to benefit some group relative to the players of the grid in general. But this is not a problem with freedom, but human nature and the way government ceases to be representative in a democratic process...

there are solutions to this problem.... and they are not idealisrtic...if oyu got a significant portion of people realize the potential of certain absolute truisms, you would have a group outside pressure the centers the design the rules, usually up high, to bias it to a utilitarian game design..

but right now, you just have yahoos argueing social issues on one side and 'socialism' on the other...blaming rich people and other stupid crap or what not that has nothing to do with good game design...So of course, the people that bias the game just grow a smirk and get even more brazen to f the system....until you have a system crash, and to protect the system and many of the peopple involve.d...THEN a top down is called in...

but not because its the solution...but a natural outcome of a screwed up deranged process.

if you get people to get acquainted more with their inner psyche, changing the individual and having them see the immutable tautologies ...or you have a system where people rise on merit through checks and balnaces....of which I can think of many....usually not through a demcoratic process but through an ideological census to create a party fof consensus by which the discussion then shifts from moronic political discussions to policy...then this can happen EASILY...

thats right, world peace...world hunger, poverty...all solved...

EASY....

but unless people reach a certain level of understanding, either about how the system is dysfunctional, or individually, about themselves...

then this stupid game is going to continue for quite a while.
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Aren't all governments working towards "ideal" societies?


Have fun with the current system then :)
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Ideal, yes.
However, what is described in the OP is impossible.
 Quoting: Luxuria Gula Socordia


I don't believe you have the qualifications to determine what is and isn't impossible and you certainly haven't provided any evidence that it is impossible.

I am interested in what has swayed you to think this way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178982


I dont think its impossible, i just think that based on your general blank statement, it is highly unlikely. It is, granted, a calculation.

The statement you made is very socialist...it makes me think you are a democrat. People who actually change things usually dont talk in general terms oyu see, they talk specific systems, the yare usually engineers or very motivated entrepreneurs working on the private secotfs...sometimes you find very smart people in the humanities department but they are more concerned with getting their ass kissed ...you know th ego, the very impulse that leads stock brokers to destroy an economy...

if im mistaken, im apologized, im actually curious as to what you are talking about, even if you are just seeking attention. Everyone needs their boredom kept at bay from time to time.
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What I quoted is only a direction to move-- Good vs evil, I'm sure you can side with this? To argue that our current system isn't based on enslavement and control would be counter productive.

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