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That's what I am saying. If we don't have one by the time someone perfects cloning I am running for President myself.
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not if its initiated and maintained by psychopaths
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There will never be peace among nations until the illusion of national sovereignty is destroyed and we unite under one world government that serves the brotherhood of man. Individual nations only create division for humankind. Many of you may not like it, but there has to be a world government in the future to create sustainable peace. It won't be the NWO you guys fear, it won't be run by the banks. It will be relatively small, supported by a multitude of local governments managing individual communities. It will be libertarian in nature. It is a long-term inevitability.
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I won't even bother reading, no one will respect an idea like that.

What everybody needs is just a form of SELF-ORDER.

Then the whole thing will initiate itself in freedom.


When that freedom comes from love, you can pretty much do anything you can dream of. You just gotta know which identity of yours is dreaming (referring to the purification).


Plus everything is ever progressing. Why do we like talking this much ? You say something and there's the possibility that you regret some parts of it the next day. Think about what position global manipulators would put themselves in, from this perspective. We gotta encourage silence, unnecessary talking is unnecessary garbage and disinformation. Every time you do it, you dumb everyone around you down.

Gotta encourage silence.

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Ideal, yes.
However, what is described in the OP is impossible.
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I don't believe you have the qualifications to determine what is and isn't impossible and you certainly haven't provided any evidence that it is impossible.

I am interested in what has swayed you to think this way.
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I dont think its impossible, i just think that based on your general blank statement, it is highly unlikely. It is, granted, a calculation.

The statement you made is very socialist...it makes me think you are a democrat. People who actually change things usually dont talk in general terms oyu see, they talk specific systems, the yare usually engineers or very motivated entrepreneurs working on the private secotfs...sometimes you find very smart people in the humanities department but they are more concerned with getting their ass kissed ...you know th ego, the very impulse that leads stock brokers to destroy an economy...

if im mistaken, im apologized, im actually curious as to what you are talking about, even if you are just seeking attention. Everyone needs their boredom kept at bay from time to time.
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What I quoted is only a direction to move-- Good vs evil, I'm sure you can side with this? To argue that our current system isn't based on enslavement and control would be counter productive.
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I dont think the current sytem is based on enslavement and control......i dont think there is a general 'plan' by some master overlord who says...hmmmm, we shall enslave and control al the sheeple of earth, let us do this and this, and eventually ill do this...

no

there could be people who find themselves in positions of power who end u pdoing this, sure, they end up trying to monopolize the system and concentrate power---but this is not the fault of some 'other'...

thsi ios the collective complascency and lack of awareness by everyone.

people in power are going to act just as people in power ARE EXPECTED TO ACT...

its just that we THINK they should act somehow diifferently, given their position of authority, but this is a moral edict that given the incentives is totally unreasonable...

people reach high positions not by being responsible and nice in this game....

people have to be practical about how to set up the sytem...checks and balances....

but this is not how people are, they are not rational, ideological, fanatical....This only emboldens the ego---not only high up but everywhere in society.

You either change the individual, or you have a small group of people who are aware to pressure say, washington dc, to change the system from a democracy to a one party system where people rise by ability, and get more resource by virtue of their ability.

I have many ideas how it could be sold and implement4ed --and it would not be idealistic, but first you have to be realistic on how humans react and behave...you cant assume that people are going to be sheeple apple pie in power when the salary they are paid is nothing relative to the money from special interest groups from outside...

this is just wishful thinking...

in short...people need to get 'real'...

or this concentration of power will just continue as a direct function of the system...its a very PREDICTABLE outcome...I think however in time this will be countered...but not due to politics or huamn nature...

but the free market and technology....which in turn will force greater self reflection...

the economy will be the greatest reformer, reality will be the greatest reformer, rather than any big idea in the coming years...it will be natural.
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There will never be peace among nations until the illusion of national sovereignty is destroyed and we unite under one world government that serves the brotherhood of man. Individual nations only create division for humankind. Many of you may not like it, but there has to be a world government in the future to create sustainable peace. It won't be the NWO you guys fear, it won't be run by the banks. It will be relatively small, supported by a multitude of local governments managing individual communities. It will be libertarian in nature. It is a long-term inevitability.
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soo.. communism? haha it's harder to pull off in reality than on paper. for it to work, humans would have to work, and humans are broken, there are always bugs in their programming; what they create.

the only way it will happen is if everyone is like-minded.

that wont happen unless nearly all the people are killed off leaving only tthe like-minded or we are implanted with technologies that regulate are thoughts and behaviors.
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something could happen ....supernatural...

but if it doesnt, thats how I think things will play out...

if you really want a 'big idea'...

its making the government more representative by having a few people 'get real' and pressure dc from outside.....a permanent grassroots movement that is disciplined and diligent to push its agenda.
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I don't believe you have the qualifications to determine what is and isn't impossible and you certainly haven't provided any evidence that it is impossible.

I am interested in what has swayed you to think this way.
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I dont think its impossible, i just think that based on your general blank statement, it is highly unlikely. It is, granted, a calculation.

The statement you made is very socialist...it makes me think you are a democrat. People who actually change things usually dont talk in general terms oyu see, they talk specific systems, the yare usually engineers or very motivated entrepreneurs working on the private secotfs...sometimes you find very smart people in the humanities department but they are more concerned with getting their ass kissed ...you know th ego, the very impulse that leads stock brokers to destroy an economy...

if im mistaken, im apologized, im actually curious as to what you are talking about, even if you are just seeking attention. Everyone needs their boredom kept at bay from time to time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11685129


What I quoted is only a direction to move-- Good vs evil, I'm sure you can side with this? To argue that our current system isn't based on enslavement and control would be counter productive.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178982


I dont think the current sytem is based on enslavement and control......i dont think there is a general 'plan' by some master overlord who says...hmmmm, we shall enslave and control al the sheeple of earth, let us do this and this, and eventually ill do this...

no

there could be people who find themselves in positions of power who end u pdoing this, sure, they end up trying to monopolize the system and concentrate power---but this is not the fault of some 'other'...

thsi ios the collective complascency and lack of awareness by everyone.

people in power are going to act just as people in power ARE EXPECTED TO ACT...

its just that we THINK they should act somehow diifferently, given their position of authority, but this is a moral edict that given the incentives is totally unreasonable...

people reach high positions not by being responsible and nice in this game....

people have to be practical about how to set up the sytem...checks and balances....

but this is not how people are, they are not rational, ideological, fanatical....This only emboldens the ego---not only high up but everywhere in society.

You either change the individual, or you have a small group of people who are aware to pressure say, washington dc, to change the system from a democracy to a one party system where people rise by ability, and get more resource by virtue of their ability.

I have many ideas how it could be sold and implement4ed --and it would not be idealistic, but first you have to be realistic on how humans react and behave...you cant assume that people are going to be sheeple apple pie in power when the salary they are paid is nothing relative to the money from special interest groups from outside...

this is just wishful thinking...

in short...people need to get 'real'...

or this concentration of power will just continue as a direct function of the system...its a very PREDICTABLE outcome...I think however in time this will be countered...but not due to politics or huamn nature...

but the free market and technology....which in turn will force greater self reflection...

the economy will be the greatest reformer, reality will be the greatest reformer, rather than any big idea in the coming years...it will be natural.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11685129



This here for example, is the biggest demonstration of dumbing everyone around you down.

It's not a matter of understanding the principles of economics and politics, it's a matter of reducing the PROBLEM, simplifying it and instead of looking outwards, looking inwards.

Criticising self, before criticising the world around you, because you create that world.

It's very easy to dumb everyone around you down when you pull them together with you down to the deep arguments of economical or political dualities when in fact those dualities arise from the SIMPLEST form of dualities such as good and evil, altruism and selfishness, identity bla bla.
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I won't even bother reading, no one will respect an idea like that.

What everybody needs is just a form of SELF-ORDER.

Then the whole thing will initiate itself in freedom.


When that freedom comes from love, you can pretty much do anything you can dream of. You just gotta know which identity of yours is dreaming (referring to the purification).


Plus everything is ever progressing. Why do we like talking this much ? You say something and there's the possibility that you regret some parts of it the next day. Think about what position global manipulators would put themselves in, from this perspective. We gotta encourage silence, unnecessary talking is unnecessary garbage and disinformation. Every time you do it, you dumb everyone around you down.

Gotta encourage silence.
 Quoting: Qualia0


That is what the OP is about...Teslas inventions could have worked hand in hand with "self-order"...
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something could happen ....supernatural...

but if it doesnt, thats how I think things will play out...

if you really want a 'big idea'...

its making the government more representative by having a few people 'get real' and pressure dc from outside.....a permanent grassroots movement that is disciplined and diligent to push its agenda.
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That is a great idea...it could be done on the internet

call it


democracy.us

citizens can vote on issues and holds a 1/3 share in Congressional affairs
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an example of my soltuion//..

the main problem is game design, it is being biased....not utilitarian..

one solution is to have an ideological census and havce this broken down into 'representative blocks' that match themselves on the political spectrum....so if you form a communist caucus, you need something like an anarchist caucus to balance....

but everyone's views will be scored on a spectrum....and then this would be reflected in the 3 branches of government. these ideological blocks then HIRE an employee, which by law must vouch of key issues for its block...he or she CANNOT vote any other way....This would 'cancel out' ...as to form a 'consensus' or midppint, which would be the ideological median of the entire country.--these 'employees; would be paid 30 million dollars at the end of 6 years if they fullfill their contract, or sent to prison for some length fo time if they fail to comply. This consensus would act as a one party system...because even though every employee would need to vote or represent their designated ideological block...the 'midpoint' would be well known by everyone invovlede..hence, policy would be written around this midpoint.....all these people hired to partake in this would write policy for this consensus...

so in reality, the discussion would center around the policy, which would either be voted /written in a completely transparent wikipedia type system....and/or written also by these people. TO bring down corruption, life imprisonment for these people for life i they are found to spin policy for outside parties, yet the reward of 30 million if the simply follow their contract--would act as a discouragement.
there would be very little reason for these people to do this..

furthermore, since there would be many candidates, they would likely already be older and quite successful...and the main interest will to help the country...either way, due to the number of candidiates, it would effectively be 'meritocratic'...because people in such a 'one party system' will only rise by being able and successful. The selected candidates then would go through a vetting process that would be similar to what you find at an ivy league application office.

So you will get good quality and people with less of an ambitious interest because the stakes for corruption are higher than simply abiding and doing a good job...after all, given this vetting process, the very position would be venerated or prestigious like going to any ivy league institution, and then the incentives would flip to actually support utilitarian game design.

Banking could also be designed to complement this system, people who have greater ability, could be assigned more resources, an infrastructure bank, as an additional arm to this structure apart from the private sector.

This is the only way, apart from changing the individual through self reflection, a more spiritual society....for this to happen.

I dont see this with behaviour economics, or top down, or centralization of power....The only way to get to teslas' concept is a system that sort of abides by the check and balance principles outlined above.

This is pretty self evident from my perspective.
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There will never be peace among nations until the illusion of national sovereignty is destroyed and we unite under one world government that serves the brotherhood of man. Individual nations only create division for humankind. Many of you may not like it, but there has to be a world government in the future to create sustainable peace. It won't be the NWO you guys fear, it won't be run by the banks. It will be relatively small, supported by a multitude of local governments managing individual communities. It will be libertarian in nature. It is a long-term inevitability.
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soo.. communism? haha it's harder to pull off in reality than on paper. for it to work, humans would have to work, and humans are broken, there are always bugs in their programming; what they create.

the only way it will happen is if everyone is like-minded.

that wont happen unless nearly all the people are killed off leaving only tthe like-minded or we are implanted with technologies that regulate are thoughts and behaviors.
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It won't be communism because that would mean there would be no ownership rights for the individual. People will become more like-minded about what a sustainable society should be like in the future. It's still many years away though.
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you get politics out of governance.
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socialism usually assumes that taking money out of the system and puring it in one area designated as useful by some top down structure increases marginal utility, but all its doing is redu cing the mutlipler...what is really communistic'...and this is a well kept secret out in the open, are banks...

banks are giving money to someone that produces....multiplying wealth, because the real value of an economy is production, not money..

if you take money and just give it to someone else, all you are doing is reducing the incentive to produce, hence decreasing the size of the pie, and making everyone poorer.the extra money you gave from the very rich to the poor is canceled out in inflation, because tthe higher income by everyone that was given more money raises prices, meaning the extra money is wrothless, but not only that, the production actually goes down.

so not only does the extra money cancel out due to inflation, but the lower production means everyone is poorer...its only there to share as long as no one ever shares it.

The only way to maximize utility in a socialist fashion is by using the banking system and flipping things from a consuming culture to a production culture...

the real currency of work is meaning, self fullfillment through meaninful work...volunteers are doubly as good as paid employees (this has been proven statistically).

Therefore, if people were given money to produce something, follow their passion, rather than consume, that they would do freely on their own accord---you could have a system where production is rewarded rather than consumption...

this COULD (BIG COULD, i am not a socialist...im nsut trying to think of a crapshoot concept that could actually be socialistic and somehow maximize utility) due to the volunteering nature ---make people put in more hours without payument because their payment wou ld be the fullfillment, and they would end up PAYING OFF the loan, simply by the amount of passion and work they put into this 'hobby' ...

they like doing this.....they dont need to be paid, they are simply being given money to get the resources together to do it..

you give it to the most able, and then they form an 'outline' that can be followed by others...

other systems include a big brother totalitarian system , but instead of having one big brother, you just have everyone be big brother...like facebook on steroids, you are watched all the time...

no crime, everyone knows what oyu do all the time, but people are forced to maximize their utility, one big village. behaviour economics.

everything else, and the most viable and best systems in fact, are more free market based, innovative, with a meritocratic republic as described above in government for game design.

This is if you really want change....

if you dont care, then there are plenty of ego opportunity games tot ake advantage of the current system....over time, this system will display tghe utilitarian end...because the spikes will cancel out...ego cancels itself out over time..what makes sense for one ego at one time, is the opposite of what makes sense for the other due to the natural predictable failures of the first ego....so ego works for the utilitarian end over the integral of time.

politics can be used to distort reality, but in the end, e conomics always self corrects ...

reality is consistent.

It will just be a bumpier ride.
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more free market systems have a bigger pie, but its more unequal..

more comamnd and control have a smaller pie, but more equal.

rationally, iot makes sense to have a freer society and everyone is better off, but often psychologically, the bottom has problems, so it becomes command and control.

because happiness comes from self fullilling work, meaning, the first one is actually also better psychologically--what happens is if people are manipulated psychologically (the 'sheep' as seen by a certain perspective) to think they are entitled and they feel lack in their inner psyche...they start basing their measure on consumption rather than production...and they start demanding politically based on the false promise of something like socialism, which only makes everyone poorer..

there is this false equation where people think that socialism means everyone is covered with basic safety nets and that a free market is a big free for all...

that in no way can you ahve entitlements and low taxes....but this is incorrect..

you can have ayn rand and fdr all in one.

you can cover everyone in the US, housing, medical care, everything...

and have low taxes.

you can do this in a variety of ways, this is but one example:

people can go int ogovernment housing, free medical care and so on, but in return, they need to work on infrastructure projects for nothing.....the csot of housing and health care is offset by the profit made in the private sector as the government sells these infrastructure projects in the private sector.

YOu can have free education in exchange for 4 years of publci service in the public sector..

by having efficient spending and programs like that, you can actually have AMPLE entitlement, a sense of national cohesion, and low taxes...

the real problem is that laws are written for big institutions such as banks, or insurance companies...not for a utilitarian goal...This means that a lot of money gets wasted inot only to satisfy interests but in the self justifying nature of government---once you create a program, it creates needs for its existence...tsa, unions...etc..

thats why a socialist system is so insidious...unions voting for politicians who in turn keep them in existence is something that in the private sector would be a CRIMINAL conflict of interests...but because its politics, its called democracy...

but all this is doing is wasting money at the EXPENSE of the utilitarian end of the country...people are being made poorer, worse off....all in the name of the 'greater good'...when in reality, a small minority, or protected class (voting block) is being protected at the expense of everybody else...This is hardly fair.

this is THE PROBLEM in society....if we want smaller institutions to follow suit, the first place we should reform is the government, not assume that the government, being the poster child for this sort of behaviour, is then given a free pass and turn around and TELL OTHER PEOPLE to behave in a different fashion than what it does on a daily basis due to its position as a coersive force from majority rule (rule of man)
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*in exchange for 4 years of public service in the health care sector
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we dont need a new world order...ti will resolve itself --reality is consistent...

but we CAN definitely have a new world order. But its not one based on an ideology or top down, its about checks and balances like the founding fathers intended, and a meritocratic, increased utility/ptimization, pragmatic way of thinking.
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im done, so thats how you get to tesla's ideal..

you get to the socialist ideal through the perfect market and utilitarian policy.....

you get tot his by getting rid of monopolies and having a checks and balances meritocratic form of government. more libertarian in nature if anything.
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I dont think its impossible, i just think that based on your general blank statement, it is highly unlikely. It is, granted, a calculation.

The statement you made is very socialist...it makes me think you are a democrat. People who actually change things usually dont talk in general terms oyu see, they talk specific systems, the yare usually engineers or very motivated entrepreneurs working on the private secotfs...sometimes you find very smart people in the humanities department but they are more concerned with getting their ass kissed ...you know th ego, the very impulse that leads stock brokers to destroy an economy...

if im mistaken, im apologized, im actually curious as to what you are talking about, even if you are just seeking attention. Everyone needs their boredom kept at bay from time to time.
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What I quoted is only a direction to move-- Good vs evil, I'm sure you can side with this? To argue that our current system isn't based on enslavement and control would be counter productive.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178982


I dont think the current sytem is based on enslavement and control......i dont think there is a general 'plan' by some master overlord who says...hmmmm, we shall enslave and control al the sheeple of earth, let us do this and this, and eventually ill do this...

no

there could be people who find themselves in positions of power who end u pdoing this, sure, they end up trying to monopolize the system and concentrate power---but this is not the fault of some 'other'...

thsi ios the collective complascency and lack of awareness by everyone.

people in power are going to act just as people in power ARE EXPECTED TO ACT...

its just that we THINK they should act somehow diifferently, given their position of authority, but this is a moral edict that given the incentives is totally unreasonable...

people reach high positions not by being responsible and nice in this game....

people have to be practical about how to set up the sytem...checks and balances....

but this is not how people are, they are not rational, ideological, fanatical....This only emboldens the ego---not only high up but everywhere in society.

You either change the individual, or you have a small group of people who are aware to pressure say, washington dc, to change the system from a democracy to a one party system where people rise by ability, and get more resource by virtue of their ability.

I have many ideas how it could be sold and implement4ed --and it would not be idealistic, but first you have to be realistic on how humans react and behave...you cant assume that people are going to be sheeple apple pie in power when the salary they are paid is nothing relative to the money from special interest groups from outside...

this is just wishful thinking...

in short...people need to get 'real'...

or this concentration of power will just continue as a direct function of the system...its a very PREDICTABLE outcome...I think however in time this will be countered...but not due to politics or huamn nature...

but the free market and technology....which in turn will force greater self reflection...

the economy will be the greatest reformer, reality will be the greatest reformer, rather than any big idea in the coming years...it will be natural.
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This here for example, is the biggest demonstration of dumbing everyone around you down.

It's not a matter of understanding the principles of economics and politics, it's a matter of reducing the PROBLEM, simplifying it and instead of looking outwards, looking inwards.

Criticising self, before criticising the world around you, because you create that world.

It's very easy to dumb everyone around you down when you pull them together with you down to the deep arguments of economical or political dualities when in fact those dualities arise from the SIMPLEST form of dualities such as good and evil, altruism and selfishness, identity bla bla.
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lol...ok.

yea, self reflection would help Im sure...

Everything I said still stands of course. is it criticism? nah, more like being real, it is one way, and we want this (tesla's vision) then we have to do this. This is a fact.

We cant progress beyond our system unless we change the individual or have a practical system like the one described put in effect.
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Human instincts won't allow it.
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i actually im just tempting with that term (fact).

liberals have a way with that word. Facts are tainted by perception if you are using an empirical process for knowledge, and I would not be tempted to call it a tautology, which is knowledge.

But yea, my intuition, based on human nature, is that unless we have a practical system of checks and balances, people will continue in a game where they see the rules as moving goal posts...this only emboldens the ego...There are differences in ability....some people are obviously going to feel better than others.

so unless we all have some sort of collective rapture, I see no other way than a small group of dilligent individuals pressuring dc or any power system to implement that system.
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once it happens in one country...then the success story is going to spread...others will eventually adapt to compete, this happened in china in ancient history, the emperor had any peasant who took a test and qualified be incorporated into his structure, this eventually tumbled tghe monopolies by the noble warlords due to sheer ability from this sort of rough meritocracy...

I dont think hong kong is a model by a long shot, singapore is a test based, probably the only model that closely resembles the system, but it still has nbo checks and balances....

i think a system like singapore mixed with the republic would be the best system.

There is no current system to compare, singapore is the closest and it has been a success thus far, but its a small country, it would need to be implemented in a large country, such as the united states...if it were economically successful...others would follow just to compete...just like in ancient china...

democracy would disappear because the only way to be competitive and economically on the cutting edge would be to adopt a meritocracy.
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democracy spread because politically it was incredibly popular, it was a way to keep the masses at bay...

the meritocracy would spread but for an entirely different reason...due to todays global economy, the only way to stay ahead, would be to adopt it, because democracy would be far too idiocratic and inefficient for a world power to keep its edge.
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“Out of this war, the greatest since the beginning of history, a new world must be born, a world that would justify the sacrifices offered by humanity. This new world must be a world in which there shall be no exploitation of the weak by the strong, of the good by the evil; where there will be no humiliation of the poor by the violence of the rich; where the products of intellect, science and art will serve society for the betterment and beautification of life, and not the individuals for achieving wealth.This new world shall not be a world of the downtrodden and humiliated, but of free men and free nations, equal in dignity and respect for man.”

-Nikola Tesla
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Sounds great but,,, mankind is far from civilized, we are for the most part a bunch of brutal, lustful, greedy uncaring fucking assholes. It will never happen(NWO) until a great annihalation befalls humankind, maybe then whoever is left might accomplish peaceful coexistence.
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03/02/2012 02:42 AM
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With all due respect to Nikola Tesla who I have always admired and is one of a small handful of people I want to first get a chance to talk to in Heaven someday, he has very little understanding of human behavior. The reason Utopia will never be seen in our lifetime or even if it is, it will not last long is because humans are by their very nature sinful creatures. We covet, we destroy, we envy, we get bored, we're gluttonous, lazy, etc. That is not to say that we have no individual redeeming qualities. Many of us work actively to be better people on a daily bases. Many of us love. Many of us try to obey what we think it is that God expects from us. Some are evil, some are saints, some are psychopaths and some are scientists. We are all unique and individual with both good and bad qualities. We can't even all agree on what Utopia really is. The only way that I can ever imagine a Utopian ideal will ever be reached on this planet is when we all serve and obey God and Jesus Himself descends back to Earth to establish His earthly Kingdom and reign for 1000 years.

Trust me, I'd love to jump on-board the train to Utopia and would be behind our human efforts at it, if I wasn't absolutely convinced that the global government isn't going to give rise to Biblical end-times events, the rise of the Anti-Christ, the persecution of the Christian church, a one world government, currency and religion, less freedom and more fascism, etc.

And, frankly I'm not afraid of any of that and I'm even willing to die a martyr for my beliefs as I'm convinced that eternal life with Jesus is infinitely better than anything we experience in this life. God has not given us a spirit of fear. In Him, there is nothing to fear. I used to worry for my wife, daughter and dog, but I know that if He takes me home, He will be faithful to provide for those who rely on me as well. So, I put my trust in Him.
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03/02/2012 02:58 AM
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“Out of this war, the greatest since the beginning of history, a new world must be born, a world that would justify the sacrifices offered by humanity. This new world must be a world in which there shall be no exploitation of the weak by the strong, of the good by the evil; where there will be no humiliation of the poor by the violence of the rich; where the products of intellect, science and art will serve society for the betterment and beautification of life, and not the individuals for achieving wealth.This new world shall not be a world of the downtrodden and humiliated, but of free men and free nations, equal in dignity and respect for man.”

-Nikola Tesla
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178982


Sounds great but,,, mankind is far from civilized, we are for the most part a bunch of brutal, lustful, greedy uncaring fucking assholes. It will never happen(NWO) until a great annihalation befalls humankind, maybe then whoever is left might accomplish peaceful coexistence.
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There actually isn't an answer that will suit everybody

Bombs and wars just make more misery and Breed Revengeful Persons. (Its an Never ending cycle of Blood)

What Man would need to change is The Human Heart and Mind
(which is natural selfish and evil)

There are No Earthly Solutions, as I don't think " Evil " has been classified in The DNA chain yet and if it was, it would be unethical to tamper with anyway.
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03/02/2012 03:16 AM
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Re: We NEED a New World Order
Justify the Sacrifices.
Ya lost me there, nick.
Why do we have to sacrifice to proceed, some sick God idea?
Fk. That.
Love and Truth.
Work and Peace.
These shall suffice to see Man thru his days, IMO.
Love,p.
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03/02/2012 03:17 AM
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With all due respect to Nikola Tesla who I have always admired and is one of a small handful of people I want to first get a chance to talk to in Heaven someday, he has very little understanding of human behavior. The reason Utopia will never be seen in our lifetime or even if it is, it will not last long is because humans are by their very nature sinful creatures. We covet, we destroy, we envy, we get bored, we're gluttonous, lazy, etc. That is not to say that we have no individual redeeming qualities. Many of us work actively to be better people on a daily bases. Many of us love. Many of us try to obey what we think it is that God expects from us. Some are evil, some are saints, some are psychopaths and some are scientists. We are all unique and individual with both good and bad qualities. We can't even all agree on what Utopia really is. The only way that I can ever imagine a Utopian ideal will ever be reached on this planet is when we all serve and obey God and Jesus Himself descends back to Earth to establish His earthly Kingdom and reign for 1000 years.

Trust me, I'd love to jump on-board the train to Utopia and would be behind our human efforts at it, if I wasn't absolutely convinced that the global government isn't going to give rise to Biblical end-times events, the rise of the Anti-Christ, the persecution of the Christian church, a one world government, currency and religion, less freedom and more fascism, etc.

And, frankly I'm not afraid of any of that and I'm even willing to die a martyr for my beliefs as I'm convinced that eternal life with Jesus is infinitely better than anything we experience in this life. God has not given us a spirit of fear. In Him, there is nothing to fear. I used to worry for my wife, daughter and dog, but I know that if He takes me home, He will be faithful to provide for those who rely on me as well. So, I put my trust in Him.
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look, if by utopia you think everyone will all of a sudden start holding hands, sing kumba ya, help each other, and so forth, no.

bUT i dont think that a 'utopia' is not acheivable automaticallyt because humans are not perfect beings(in our current state). i think thats a cop out. Its by being realistic with the imperfections we do have (unless we gain greater self knowledge through self reflections) and desinging systems that take that into acccount, that you could get this utopia..

but it wont be through idealistic thinking or high notions of humanity or what human nature is or pink rainbows and so on...

if we aer just talking about a system that maximizes utility, i think that is quite easy to acheive....

irrational exhuberance and optimism is just as bad and blind as irrational pessimism...

two sides of the same coin...

by just accepting what IS...and working with it...we can acheive results...

but we have to be practical...we have to realize what human psychology is and what WE really want..by many measures we already are in a utopia if by utopia you mean the ebb and flow of life...

what exactly is utopia?

we cant define it yet because we have not yet self actualized our inner psyche...but in the meantime....we sure as hell can make government more representative ---you think this isnt doable?

most americans are complascent, once the problem is seen clearly...that it is not a representative system but just a special interest auction...people can start designing a 21st century checks and balaces like the founding fathers.....

this is doable...and it has nothing to do with human nature or any of that crap..

Its just about being practical and knowing how to make a system that is prone to good game desing rather than greater centralization due to failures in the market from bad policy...thats whats needed...

and over time I do in fact think a utopia is possible.....we may be limited....but in time....either due to technology or greater self reflection...this may very well change...

there is a purpose to this evolutionary process...its not just going to 'hit a wall' unless thats what we think is inevitable...utopia the way tesla thinks about it? probably not. but better than this? certainly.
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*probably not...

(for the short term)

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