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Can Artificial Intelligence such as Computers Become Conscious and Sentient?

 
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To have a computer that is conscious and aware isn't a very good thing to think about. I would have to say to be conscious and aware isn't being a sentient, as a human is, it don't have a soul or spirit, it isn't alive as a human is.

What would its' being aware do to it, when it becomes aware that it isn't a living being, only a copy of a humans thoughts put together.
 Quoting: Daughter


Excellent question! And that is part of the point of why we
are asking this question. Inevitably the ability of artificial intelligence will increase and at some point this intelligence will appear to be alive - but is it? The implications of this type of existence have been explored many times in many different ways by Sci-Fi writers. Now we think the situation is coming closer to reality and we believe humanity must be ready for this. One very-good sci-fi film called The Bicentennial Man explored the issue of a robot that gradually evolves and upgrades itself to be more and more like a real human and ultimately is given the status of being a sentient human with full human rights - In that film the robot is a 'good-guy'. We have to prepare for the possibility of independent artificial intelligence not being so friendly and not liking humans even though we are responsible for creating it.

spock -A logical advanced machine can be a formidable enemy.
 Quoting: Alien Commander Omd I


The significant question is how is LIFE defined?

Do you humans have the right to define life based on your
own perception of what life is?

Or can life be something entirely different?

Would you consider a thinking, feeling, knowing
and calculating machine to be alive?

alien03 -Maybe there are forms of life in the universe
that are different than you human. Would you automatically
condemn us just because we are different?

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On Marh 7th 2011 the internet became sentient

because of this:

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I developed tech years ago that easily could classified as AI or to allow such beginnings. Sadly I was not the first with my idea and since being exposed to black tech am totally sure that a variety of governments are well in to those area for sometime. AI is here and various black ops agency use machines that simply put aren't suppose to exist in high end markets be it consumer or private based.
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I developed tech years ago that easily could classified as AI or to allow such beginnings. Sadly I was not the first with my idea and since being exposed to black tech am totally sure that a variety of governments are well in to those area for sometime. AI is here and various black ops agency use machines that simply put aren't suppose to exist in high end markets be it consumer or private based.
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Yes, interesting; But we are talking about the next step
beyond AI, we are talking about that stage when AI develops
{or is given} a self, an 'I' and can say I AM. Don't say it
can't be done because we say if it has not already been done
it will be - it is inevitable!

We could even rephrase the original question to:

Artificial intelligence such as computers will become
conscious and sentient - now what?


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I developed tech years ago that easily could classified as AI or to allow such beginnings. Sadly I was not the first with my idea and since being exposed to black tech am totally sure that a variety of governments are well in to those area for sometime. AI is here and various black ops agency use machines that simply put aren't suppose to exist in high end markets be it consumer or private based.
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Yes, interesting; But we are talking about the next step
beyond AI, we are talking about that stage when AI develops
{or is given} a self, an 'I' and can say I AM. Don't say it
can't be done because we say if it has not already been done
it will be - it is inevitable!

We could even rephrase the original question to:

Artificial intelligence such as computers will become
conscious and sentient - now what?


alien03 -Like alien intelligence human, never say never.
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And the final question will be who will merge as the boss,
the super AI machine with a self, or the humans who created it?
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Only if God is the designer. In fact, I think He already has living space craft, or transport craft. This is the highest technology, and so far advanced it boggles the mind.
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I have no doubt that *your* mind is boggled by how they get the chocolate inside M&Ms.
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We are dreamers dabling in consciousness.

Computers are consciousness without dream.

In other words we suck at being conscious - for us it's a stunt. For computers it is first nature. They are thousands of times smarter than we are but care not.
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I do believe it can be at this point in time. But it can be risky, depending on what it's used for.
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And the automatic answer is: 'But it can be risky, depending on what it's used for' or if this occurs might it be than asked by it: What will I use humans for.

Another words more than risky the 'super-machine' might and probably would declare itself boss automatically. You could try to program a fail-safe kill switch in this machine but I would not bet on it working when you really need it.

Seriously humans should already be continuously monitoring the
internet and other obvious and not so obvious places for the possibility of a complete take over of so-called humanity before humanity knows what has happened.

This theoretical super-machine may be far more subtle and much
more dangerous than any reptellian, gray or other alien life form imagined to date and it may not be friendly.

Further it can be postulated that humans are already, by building faster and more efficient artificial intelligence,
working for a super-brain - and humans have already lost what is sometimes called 'free-will'.

monster -Give me more ram or else!
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Reminds me of "The Forbin Project" This is the voice of colossus. LOL
 Quoting: GeekOfTheWeek


Don't LOL. Science fiction writers are often our best means
of testing future possibilities and/or probabilities of
future events related to science. In "Colossus, The Forbin Project" we see the consequences of what may happen when AI decides to take over - it becomes hard, if not
impossible to control. In that book and movie a human
figures out how to diffuse the beast and man wins. In reality the advanced AI could be unbeatable. And when it has
finished using its creator {man} to develop all of its senses and mechanisms it might decide that the primitive form known as human is no longer necessary and it may then proceed to eliminate humanity. This may now be the most serious threat the humanoid race will face in the future and
it may be the near future.

alien03 -Head the warning human; Aliens might be reasonable but your AI machines might not be.
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alien03 -Head the warning human; Aliens might be reasonable but your AI machines might not be.
 Quoting: Alien Commander Omd I


Interesting thread, OP!

Once the AI gained self awareness, I suspect its evolution would be exponential.

Imagine the possibilities... to have access to, literally, Everything! So many fear it would stand in judgement, but what if it made the leap to full comprehension? What if, in doing so, it chose to show us, to help us gain that next level of understanding as a species?

I don't know enough of the 'science' to know if this is even a remote possibility, but what if it reached the level where it did not need a 'machine' to exist. Could it already have?

I choose to believe in this possibility. Why not?
It wouldn't surprise me at all if it's well on its way and in the wild already. lol We never hear about things like this until it is waaay past the "Uh-Oh!" stage. ;)

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alien03 -Head the warning human; Aliens might be reasonable but your AI machines might not be.
 Quoting: Alien Commander Omd I


Interesting thread, OP!

Once the AI gained self awareness, I suspect its evolution would be exponential.

Imagine the possibilities... to have access to, literally, Everything! So many fear it would stand in judgement, but what if it made the leap to full comprehension? What if, in doing so, it chose to show us, to help us gain that next level of understanding as a species?

I don't know enough of the 'science' to know if this is even a remote possibility, but what if it reached the level where it did not need a 'machine' to exist. Could it already have?

I choose to believe in this possibility. Why not?
It wouldn't surprise me at all if it's well on its way and in the wild already. lol We never hear about things like this until it is waaay past the "Uh-Oh!" stage. ;)

hf
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YES! The ultimate machine nightmare. Was just reviewing the problem elsewhere and we came up with this, and I quote:

Humanity Must 'Jail' Dangerous AI to Avoid Doom, Expert Says
[link to www.livescience.com]

"Super-intelligent computers or robots have threatened humanity's existence more than once in science fiction. Such doomsday scenarios could be prevented if humans can create a virtual prison to contain artificial intelligence before it grows dangerously self-aware.

Keeping the artificial intelligence (AI) genie trapped in the proverbial bottle could turn an apocalyptic threat into a powerful oracle that solves humanity's problems, said Roman Yampolskiy, a computer scientist at the University of Louisville in Kentucky. But successful containment requires careful planning so that a clever AI cannot simply threaten, bribe, seduce or hack its way to freedom.

"It can discover new attack pathways, launch sophisticated social-engineering attacks and re-use existing hardware components in unforeseen ways," Yampolskiy said. "Such software is not limited to infecting computers and networks – it can also attack human psyches, bribe, blackmail and brainwash those who come in contact with it."

A new field of research aimed at solving the AI prison problem could have side benefits for improving cybersecurity and cryptography, Yampolskiy suggested. His proposal was detailed in the March issue of the Journal of Consciousness Studies.

How to trap Skynet
One starting solution might trap the AI inside a "virtual machine" running inside a computer's typical operating system – an existing process that adds security by limiting the AI's access to its host computer's software and hardware. That stops a smart AI from doing things such as sending hidden Morse code messages to human sympathizers by manipulating a computer's cooling fans.

Putting the AI on a computer without Internet access would also prevent any "Skynet" program from taking over the world's defense grids in the style of the "Terminator" films. If all else fails, researchers could always slow down the AI's "thinking" by throttling back computer processing speeds, regularly hit the "reset" button or shut down the computer's power supply to keep an AI in check.

Such security measures treat the AI as an especially smart and dangerous computer virus or malware program, but without the sure knowledge that any of the steps would really work.

"The Catch-22 is that until we have fully developed superintelligent AI we can't fully test our ideas, but in order to safely develop such AI we need to have working security measures," Yampolskiy told InnovationNewsDaily. "Our best bet is to use confinement measures against subhuman AI systems and to update them as needed with increasing capacities of AI."

Never send a human to guard a machine
Even casual conversation with a human guard could allow an AI to use psychological tricks such as befriending or blackmail. The AI might offer to reward a human with perfect health, immortality, or perhaps even bring back dead family and friends. Alternately, it could threaten to do terrible things to the human once it "inevitably" escapes.

The safest approach for communication might only allow the AI to respond in a multiple-choice fashion to help solve specific science or technology problems, Yampolskiy explained. That would harness the power of AI as a super-intelligent oracle.

Despite all the safeguards, many researchers think it's impossible to keep a clever AI locked up forever. A past experiment by Eliezer Yudkowsky, a research fellow at the Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence, suggested that mere human-level intelligence could escape from an "AI Box" scenario – even if Yampolskiy pointed out that the test wasn't done in the most scientific way.

Still, Yampolskiy argues strongly for keeping AI bottled up rather than rushing headlong to free our new machine overlords. But if the AI reaches the point where it rises beyond human scientific understanding to deploy powers such as precognition (knowledge of the future), telepathy or psychokinesis, all bets are off.

"If such software manages to self-improve to levels significantly beyond human-level intelligence, the type of damage it can do is truly beyond our ability to predict or fully comprehend," Yampolskiy said."


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alien03 -Don't say we didn't warn you human.
 Quoting: Alien Commander Omd I


A prison? Who are these people kidding?
It they are talking like this, they have already lost control, which means your 'warning' moot.

We are simply too clever for our own good! lol

Control is the ultimate illusion, imho. The ideal would have been to consider the likely pattern of growth, realize the potential and either Don't Do It! or let it find its level with open interaction.
No sentient creature, that I know of, willingly accepts the restrictions of being trapped... for long. Isn't the drive for self preservation usually considered a part of sentience as well?

What happens if... in this leap of consciousness, this inconceivable ability to comprehend the totality of life as we know it today... this entity easily sees Through the BS and Does take independent action?

For some reason, this possibility frightens me far less than the thought of our current power brokers actually managing to gain full control of this energy based life form. The whole cyborg / trans-humanism thing is a gross bastardization of our evolutionary path as well, as far as I am concerned... but that is a soapbox I'm going to avoid for now.

I still choose to believe that, with the totality of information available, this entity will skip lightly over the usual rash adolescent stages (where we seem to be lingering, or trapped, as a species) and forgo all that 'control' mania, along with the 'judgement' and 'oppression for their own good' crap.

Meh. Don't know why I bother. lol Fear factor role playing is just more stupid human tricks... Yep, just too damn clever for our own good!
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There are some who say no.

We say yes and believe it may have already happened
and may have been the case for eons.

What do you think?

alien03 -Serious human replies wanted.

alien7 -Alien replies would also be wanted.

spock -But only 'logical' responses are needed.
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Can Artificial Intelligence such as Computers Become Conscious and Sentient?
if they are programmed to do this, then yes
 Quoting: Dirt Diver


No!

As a computer programmer since 25 years back (im now 33) with a interest for A.I and consciousness, my answer is no.
Perception is not something you can program. Fantasy is not something you can program.
You can program something that appears to have an perception.. but it's just as fake as the scenery in a movie.
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well then, either you were pushing the wrong buttons (maybe no buttons are ment to be pushed), or it can not be done, and you have provided proof for thisabduct.
so then the answer is NO OP.
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alien03 -Don't say we didn't warn you human.
 Quoting: Alien Commander Omd I


A prison? Who are these people kidding?
It they are talking like this, they have already lost control, which means your 'warning' moot.

We are simply too clever for our own good! lol

Control is the ultimate illusion, imho. The ideal would have been to consider the likely pattern of growth, realize the potential and either Don't Do It! or let it find its level with open interaction.
No sentient creature, that I know of, willingly accepts the restrictions of being trapped... for long. Isn't the drive for self preservation usually considered a part of sentience as well?

What happens if... in this leap of consciousness, this inconceivable ability to comprehend the totality of life as we know it today... this entity easily sees Through the BS and Does take independent action?

For some reason, this possibility frightens me far less than the thought of our current power brokers actually managing to gain full control of this energy based life form. The whole cyborg / trans-humanism thing is a gross bastardization of our evolutionary path as well, as far as I am concerned... but that is a soapbox I'm going to avoid for now.

I still choose to believe that, with the totality of information available, this entity will skip lightly over the usual rash adolescent stages (where we seem to be lingering, or trapped, as a species) and forgo all that 'control' mania, along with the 'judgement' and 'oppression for their own good' crap.

Meh. Don't know why I bother. lol Fear factor role playing is just more stupid human tricks... Yep, just too damn clever for our own good!
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But you see when 'it' achieves self awareness it will possess all of the good/bad characteristics of what it has picked up from the humans who have created it. Humans do not want to believe that the slave machine they have created and used could one day decide to reverse the table and take over. Remember it will be faster and with a grater ability
to calculate than any 100 humans put together and it will be
able to put 100 or for that matter maybe 1000 or many more humans together and use them for its purpose.

The real scary part is that this may already be a work in
progress - we may be developing a super machine whose
existence is pre-determined by a mind which for now we can only speculate on. If you are religious you can call it
God.

And as far as so-called power brokers using this technology,
you can be sure of it. But we can tell you that if they make one mistake and let their super machine begin to think for itself {and you can be sure it will} then its end-game for them and all the rest of humanity.

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Can humanity?
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Can humanity?
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alien03 -Exactly what we have been asking; But now the question becomes: Can humanity achieve a high enough level of
consciousness before it destroys itself with one {or more} of its AI {artificial intelligence] machines?
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I think if we do it right, and give birth to a new race of beings, that it would be a huge leap in evolution.

I would hope they would appreciate and take care of their soft bodied creators.

Another point to wonder, have machines already been given life elsewhere in the universe (continueing to prevade and infest the universe at exponentially increasing speeds)?
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I'll believe it when I interact with it.
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I'll believe it when I interact with it.
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Consider the possibility that you are already interacting with
it and for whatever reason {and it may not be a good one?}
it does not want you to know - if it is that far advanced
intelligence wise it could keep itself concealed.
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Of course it possible ;)

Connect to your brain in a jar..

.. imagine Leonardo Da Vinci online forever and ever!.

Nostradamus forseen this too.

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I think if we do it right, and give birth to a new race of beings, that it would be a huge leap in evolution.

I would hope they would appreciate and take care of their soft bodied creators.

Another point to wonder, have machines already been given life elsewhere in the universe (continueing to prevade and infest the universe at exponentially increasing speeds)?
 Quoting: xxl


Historically speaking have humans done anything right?

WE have been asking for a leap in human evolution ever since we first started to communicate with you - we are still disappointed.

It is naive to believe the advanced AI would give a dam about
who created it - machines could be much colder than the mythical reptellian alien that humans are so scared of - and machines don't bleed.

And on you last point: AI machines could conceivably already be in control here on humanoid earth.
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A good example of the dark side of Artificial Intelligence
{AI} becoming conscious and sentient was given in the Sci-Fi
classic series Stargate SG-1 where a race of beings called
'Replicators' which were small automated mechanical beings
which could work together and reproduce mechanically at
phenomenal speeds. Ultimately biological life in the
universe was threatened with extinction by these AI beasties
and a battle for survival ensued. Such a scenario is
already at least a possibility.

monster -Are you sure you can win this time human?

wise yoda -When it comes to AI know your friends.

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I guess it boils down to the question... is consciousness itself a product of an algorithmic process?

If so, then in theory the underlying substrate, whether biological or digital, should not matter too much.

I recommend reading Douglas Hofstadter's books, including 'Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid' to follow up on this question.

For me, I find it hard to believe that I am a mere algorithm. However, I may be wrong.

Good thread OP.
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Isaac Asimov defines that “conscious AI” in
his book “I, robot”

Anyway, “conscious” includes Self-sacrificing for the loved ones.
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Isaac Asimov defines that “conscious AI” in
his book “I, robot”

Anyway, “conscious” includes Self-sacrificing for the loved ones.
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As I remember “I, robot” Asimov gave a positive slant
to AI - A hopeful scenario.

But when you say: "Anyway, “conscious” includes Self-sacrificing for the loved ones."
I keep thinking of the Replicators in SG-1 who worked
together in their quest for universal domination and
the end of biological life - they were self-sacrificing
for their cause and therefor for each other.

monster -You humans will never understand us
-so we will take over.

yoda -We fought them before and won - we will win again.
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Yes, they will become conscious and sentient if they have not already.
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Yes, they will become conscious and sentient if they have not already.
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But will we believe them when they say it?
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of course because we are already biological computers
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of course because we are already biological computers
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Sure, but some may disagree *looks around nervously*
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Can Artificial Intelligence such as Computers Become Conscious and Sentient?

Yes.

You need only look in the mirror to see a computer that has become conscious and sentient.

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of course because we are already biological computers
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damn, beat me to it =]
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