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The Bible as Astrology

 
Sandi_T (OP)

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..the rebirth of the sun happens on march 16 2012 this year in the eastern usa when the daylight and the nightlight are equal,the fall and/or the harvest has a similar day...don't go by roman numbers on a calender, go by the sun as the real Illuminati do...this date will vary from year to year and where you are in the world at these times...Illuminati>shining ones>the sun/sun to mark the seasons and times...Illuminati don't use the moon or planets and so silly roman numbers...and they only use the stars for navigation...the moon and planets are a misdirection of useless rituals to scare most away from the shining times set by the sun/son instead of numbers on a calender.the roman calender does not record the suns progression as it wobbles from sun date to sun date.
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


I go by the calendar as far as I must in order to 'fit in' with others who are married to it.

I actually use this calendar for my own references/uses, though:

[link to www.lawoftime.org]

I think you might find it interesting. :)
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This page from the above blog is interesting, when taken in light of jesus' comment "if your eye be single" your whole body shall be filled with light:

[link to www.hiddenmeanings.com]

I've been interested in the Pineal gland for a long time. The ancients have obviously been portraying it excessively. There has to be a reason, IMO.
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here's your reason why so many armies fought over Jerusalem.because you can make potassium iodide out of the concentrated brine of the dead sea right next to it to flush out the pineal gland.
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Pi=3.14 and 22/7 - Pi figures prominently in astrological calculations, especially regarding the life of Jesus...

It was at Jesus' baptism that he 'came out of the water' virtually illuminated and transformed (Cosmic Consciousness).
This event suggests allegorical content regarding the ancient method (Old Testament) of 'progressing a birth chart' one day for every year. A birth chart dating Jesus birth to Feb 18th at 9:05 p.m. 5 BC, when progressed 'almost 30' days has the Sun (Son) coming out of the waters of Pisces into the fire and light of Aries (a solar sign) which is the time of 'new beginnings'. It was at this point, in time, that Jesus began his ministry which lasted for 3.14 (Pi) years and which mirrors the length (in degrees) of the leading cusp of Aries.
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Hi Sandi---hi
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..the rebirth of the sun happens on march 16 2012 this year in the eastern usa when the daylight and the nightlight are equal,the fall and/or the harvest has a similar day...don't go by roman numbers on a calender, go by the sun as the real Illuminati do...this date will vary from year to year and where you are in the world at these times...Illuminati>shining ones>the sun/sun to mark the seasons and times...Illuminati don't use the moon or planets and so silly roman numbers...and they only use the stars for navigation...the moon and planets are a misdirection of useless rituals to scare most away from the shining times set by the sun/son instead of numbers on a calender.the roman calender does not record the suns progression as it wobbles from sun date to sun date.
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Here's the other thing. The 'son' shall return in the clouds, with power and great glory.

On the surface, that seems obvious... the sun always comes in the clouds... but. If Sirius really is the second sun of our system, and really has turned around and is heading back... (Or Nibiru, I don't discount it entirely, but am rather on the fence with it)...

Then the 'son' Sun could be returning through the oort cloud.

From that, you have the trinity: the father Sun (Sol), the son Sun (Sirius or possibly Nibiru), and the Moon (the spirit/soul that reflects Sol and brings comfort).
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The life of Christ, when the errors are discovered and corrected in the Gregorian calendar, duplicates (in years) the number of days that it takes for the sun to transit through the sign of Pisces and to continue through the Pisces/Aries cusp..... for a total of 33.14 days.

The life of Christ, was 33.14 years and mirrors exactly, the sun's journey through the 12th astrological house (according to the ancient astrological model) of 'self undoing' and 'secret enemies' and a subsequent 'rebirth' as the Sun ('Son') exits Pisces and enters Aries.
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The life of Christ, when the errors are discovered and corrected in the Gregorian calendar, duplicates (in years) the number of days that it takes for the sun to transit through the sign of Pisces and to continue through the Pisces/Aries cusp..... for a total of 33.14 days.

The life of Christ, was 33.14 years and mirrors exactly, the sun's journey through the 12th astrological house (according to the ancient astrological model) of 'self undoing' and 'secret enemies' and a subsequent 'rebirth' as the Sun ('Son') exits Pisces and enters Aries.
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This is where my brain begins final meltdown. :p The mathematical stuff makes me drool. However, that is easy to understand, and I appreciate you keeping it simple for me (I do math at about a 4th grade level).

However, how does the strange new (old) addition of Ophiuchus fit into this?
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..the rebirth of the sun happens on march 16 2012 this year in the eastern usa when the daylight and the nightlight are equal,the fall and/or the harvest has a similar day...don't go by roman numbers on a calender, go by the sun as the real Illuminati do...this date will vary from year to year and where you are in the world at these times...Illuminati>shining ones>the sun/sun to mark the seasons and times...Illuminati don't use the moon or planets and so silly roman numbers...and they only use the stars for navigation...the moon and planets are a misdirection of useless rituals to scare most away from the shining times set by the sun/son instead of numbers on a calender.the roman calender does not record the suns progression as it wobbles from sun date to sun date.
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


I go by the calendar as far as I must in order to 'fit in' with others who are married to it.

I actually use this calendar for my own references/uses, though:

[link to www.lawoftime.org]

I think you might find it interesting. :)
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..in the original 6 day teachings the sun is both the greater light and the lesser light as spoke of in genesis....the moon IS NOT the lesser light.the suns light is Greater light after DEC.21 until June 21(rough estimate have to go by sunshine length to account for wobble)and the sun is the Lesser light after June 21 until DEC.21(rough estimate have to account for sunshine length as wobble)if you know the spring and fall times of equal length then you can count to the other 2 seasons which will vary as they all do from year to year and where you are on earth.summer will be exactly in the middle of the spring and fall equal sun times.that's reminds we, we need to cipher summer date out of the middle.there are models on line that tell the sunlight hours in the length of the days to cipher(count) out the other seasons from spring and fall times.later aligatorspeace
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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..in the original 6 day teachings the sun is both the greater light and the lesser light as spoke of in genesis....the moon IS NOT the lesser light.the suns light is Greater light after DEC.21 until June 21(rough estimate have to go by sunshine length to account for wobble)and the sun is the Lesser light after June 21 until DEC.21(rough estimate have to account for sunshine length as wobble)if you know the spring and fall times of equal length then you can count to the other 2 seasons which will vary as they all do from year to year and where you are on earth.summer will be exactly in the middle of the spring and fall equal sun times.that's reminds we, we need to cipher summer date out of the middle.there are models on line that tell the sunlight hours in the length of the days to cipher(count) out the other seasons from spring and fall times.later aligatorspeace
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I was just coming to ask if you'd written something about the 'sun times'. As a sungazer, I am fascinated by this idea, and would love to talk more about that.

Do you have a thread/post where you've spelled out the 'sun times' in a way that us math-challenged can understand? If so, I would love to see it. If not, please do.

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An astronomical metaphor regarding the birth of Christ is used in the gospel of Luke (2:8) which mentions "shepherds watching their flock by night"-
The name "planet" is from the Greek word for "wanderer". The planets "wander" or move across the heavens across the backdrop of the fixed stars. The ancient Sumerians referred to the planets as "those which are shepherded (sheep)" by the Sun. (Note: A close review of translated Sumerian "tablets" also indicates that the Sumerians were aware of a Sun centered solar system long before the arrival of Western Man.)

A "wise man", or "stargazer" (astronomer/astrologer) versed in the astrological practices of the ancient Sumerians would recognize this verse ("Shepherds in the fields watching their sheep.") as a "signal" incorporating astronomical symbolism making reference to astronomers "watching their flock by night" (star gazing) and witnessing the changing of the Age from Aries to Pisces.
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before we go here is the story of jeus as told by the sun.jesus is hung high upon the cross(summer/longest sunlight day)jesus dies(sunlight decreases after this day.jesus rises on 3 morning of 3r day or 3rd season after the longest day. which is spring which symbolizes rebirth.peace
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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So hopefully Apollo Illuminati will pipe in here. I've decided to look into the concept of the bible as Astrology. I think it's a massive rabbit hole, and although I'm deeply intimidated by it (since I think it's so extensive), I've decided to dive right in.

For now, I'll mention the ones that I know about already (most of them are obvious), and go from there:

12 disciples = zodiac signs

This one is interesting with the 'resurrection' of Opheuchis... since that then adds the virgo mary to the pile, and you have 13!

The son = the Sun

Another obvious one, yet it wouldn't hold up all by itself. However, there are various things that begin to lend credence to this, as we'll get into.

The cross = Northern Cross? (Southern? I don't recall, lol)

The Sun dies on the 'cross' constellation, right around the time that the 'son' is supposed to have died on the cross.

The water bearer = end of the age

The worship of the 'son' will end at the end of the piscean age... when "you see a man go into the temple bearing a pitcher of water", then you will know it is the end of the age and the return of the 'sun' will begin.

-- Note: This may actually have more bearing than we realize. I will look into tomorrow, but there's now some evidence that we're actually a binary star system with Sirius, and it has 'turned' and is coming back towards us. I'll try to find the article I read about this. Something about it no longer being a red star, but now a blue star (or vice versa).




Anyway, I will look more into this tomorrow. But if anyone wants to add to the ways in which the bible's stories correlate to Astrology, I thank you ahead of time.
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Hi Sandi :)

Love this thread!!!
I have files and files of stuff correlating the allegory and astrological re: Jesus. When I saw your topic, I jumped in enthusiastically!
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Hi Sandi :)

Love this thread!!!
I have files and files of stuff correlating the allegory and astrological re: Jesus. When I saw your topic, I jumped in enthusiastically!
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thought we were gone heres the website to cipher the seasons out www.calendar-updates.com/sun.asppeace
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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The life of Christ, when the errors are discovered and corrected in the Gregorian calendar, duplicates (in years) the number of days that it takes for the sun to transit through the sign of Pisces and to continue through the Pisces/Aries cusp..... for a total of 33.14 days.

The life of Christ, was 33.14 years and mirrors exactly, the sun's journey through the 12th astrological house (according to the ancient astrological model) of 'self undoing' and 'secret enemies' and a subsequent 'rebirth' as the Sun ('Son') exits Pisces and enters Aries.
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This is where my brain begins final meltdown. :p The mathematical stuff makes me drool. However, that is easy to understand, and I appreciate you keeping it simple for me (I do math at about a 4th grade level).

However, how does the strange new (old) addition of Ophiuchus fit into this?
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Christ's "hidden life" existed for 18 years. Nothing is written in the gospels about Jesus Christ after his visit to the Temple when he was 12 years of age up until his (almost 30) 30th year when he was baptized by John. For a total of 18 years there is a "blank" which has caused many scholars to speculate upon what may have happened during this time period.

An astronomical/astrological event parallels the "gap of 18 years". The Sun actually "leaves the zodiac" for 18 days (annually) while it is transiting (crossing) the astrological sign of Scorpio (the third water sign). During this 18 day period the Sun is outside of the boundaries of the traditional zodiac and enters the constellation of Ophiuchus (The Serpent Bearer). In a sense, the Sun (Son) is "missing" for a period of 18 days, like the Christ was "missing" for a period of 18 years.

Note: This 18 day/year similarity also underscores the "day for a year' method (Old Testament) of progressing a star chart.

Symbolically, the Sun's leaving the watery sign of Scorpio to enter the "airy" region of "The Serpent Bearer" (Ophiuchus) is a perfect metaphor for "walking on the water" (crossing over the top of Scorpio, a water sign) and mirrors one of Christ's great miracles.
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best to look to JESUS instead

the Bible specifically advises to avoid astrology

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keep digging your are on the righ path chuckle
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So hopefully Apollo Illuminati will pipe in here. I've decided to look into the concept of the bible as Astrology. I think it's a massive rabbit hole, and although I'm deeply intimidated by it (since I think it's so extensive), I've decided to dive right in.

For now, I'll mention the ones that I know about already (most of them are obvious), and go from there:

12 disciples = zodiac signs

This one is interesting with the 'resurrection' of Opheuchis... since that then adds the virgo mary to the pile, and you have 13!

The son = the Sun

Another obvious one, yet it wouldn't hold up all by itself. However, there are various things that begin to lend credence to this, as we'll get into.

The cross = Northern Cross? (Southern? I don't recall, lol)

The Sun dies on the 'cross' constellation, right around the time that the 'son' is supposed to have died on the cross.

The water bearer = end of the age

The worship of the 'son' will end at the end of the piscean age... when "you see a man go into the temple bearing a pitcher of water", then you will know it is the end of the age and the return of the 'sun' will begin.

-- Note: This may actually have more bearing than we realize. I will look into tomorrow, but there's now some evidence that we're actually a binary star system with Sirius, and it has 'turned' and is coming back towards us. I'll try to find the article I read about this. Something about it no longer being a red star, but now a blue star (or vice versa).




Anyway, I will look more into this tomorrow. But if anyone wants to add to the ways in which the bible's stories correlate to Astrology, I thank you ahead of time.
 Quoting: Sandi_T



Yes this all falls in line with the notion that the Bible has been grandly distorted, and the history and the training of Jesus and his lineage is actually much richer and more interesting than the modern day Church leads most to believe.

The twelve stones on Jacobs robe(and later, according to some, Jesus as well wore the same) were always attributed to the Twelve tribes of Israel w/e. But this garb may come from the Church of the Nazarenes training an An or what was later called Heliopolis. An ancient cult center that was devoted to the knowledge of the cosmological world. Jesus was part of a very sacred and ancient sect called the Nazarene, who were most definitely heavily influenced by the Egyptian Amara Age, and for sure took the introduction of monotheism out of Egypt with Moses and carried on those traditions and a lot of the importance placed on the knowledge from the golden age. The Egyptians always placed heavy emphasis on the Cosmos.

I am of the belief that you are definitely on the tight track, but only because the true mysticism surrounding Christ(which is recorded in the Bible in a very hard to understand way, as it is probably intentionally vague etc and written by people not associated directly with Jesus or his inner circle(read; Paul>Saul>Jospehus).

There was a long standing tradition in his family of "Going to Egypt" this was to be fully initiated into the priesthood of the Nazarene.
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best to look to JESUS instead

the Bible specifically advises to avoid astrology

love rb
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Jesus doesn't say anything of the like though.

Best to adhere to his words, rather than the words and thoughts of others.
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Two magi? maybe.... :)

In archetypal astrology the 4th house is the house of the mother (astrological sign of Cancer) the beginning of which also marks the place where the Sun "stands still" at the summer solstice.

The time of the summer solstice marks the day with the greatest amount of light in the northern hemisphere. The date for the summer solstice, at the time of Christ, was June 25th.

The astrological sign that the Sun leaves to enter the 4th house is Gemini (The Twins).

The astronomical/astrological "code" shows the Christ (the Son/Sun) with his mother (in the 4th house - the ancient astrological house of The Great Mother - The astrological sign of Cancer - the house of the "psychological base" in contemporary astrology) as the Magi (approaching "from the East") found the Christ (Sun / Son) and is a perfect symbolic "picture" of the Sun between the signs of Gemini (the twins) and the sign of Cancer (the Mother) which occurs precisely at the time of the summer solstice when the Sun "stands still".

The symbolism fits - suggesting that the Magi were two in number (the Twins/Gemini). ( Not that the Magi were actually "twins" but that they were two of the "same thing" ). Could the Magi have "located" the Christ child (revealed the location) at the time of the summer solstice in 5 BC, and that the Magi (like the solstices) were (are) two in number?
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I've decided to look into the concept of the bible as Astrology.
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Interesting approach considering that the Bible proclaims all who dabble in astrology to be an abomination unto the Lord.
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here's the dates of spring and fall according to the sun times....this is for southern states eastern time....first day of spring is march 16 2012 at 7:48 am until 7:48 pm and first day of fall is September 26 2012 at 7:30 am until 7:30 pm......count the number of days -in between- these dates and get the first day of summer....then add this half divided time to fall and get winter.peace
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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here's the dates of spring and fall according to the sun times....this is for southern states eastern time....first day of spring is march 16 2012 at 7:48 am until 7:48 pm and first day of fall is September 26 2012 at 7:30 am until 7:30 pm......count the number of days -in between- these dates and get the first day of summer....then add this half divided time to fall and get winter.peace
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www.calender-update.com/sun.asphf
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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best to look to JESUS instead

the Bible specifically advises to avoid astrology

love rb
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I've decided to look into the concept of the bible as Astrology.
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Interesting approach considering that the Bible proclaims all who dabble in astrology to be an abomination unto the Lord.
 Quoting: truth ftw


Actually no, it doesn't. The only verse that APPEARS to do so, only does if taken out of context. Thanks for your 'input' into the ACTUAL TOPIC, though...

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Two magi? maybe.... :)

In archetypal astrology the 4th house is the house of the mother (astrological sign of Cancer) the beginning of which also marks the place where the Sun "stands still" at the summer solstice.

The time of the summer solstice marks the day with the greatest amount of light in the northern hemisphere. The date for the summer solstice, at the time of Christ, was June 25th.

The astrological sign that the Sun leaves to enter the 4th house is Gemini (The Twins).

The astronomical/astrological "code" shows the Christ (the Son/Sun) with his mother (in the 4th house - the ancient astrological house of The Great Mother - The astrological sign of Cancer - the house of the "psychological base" in contemporary astrology) as the Magi (approaching "from the East") found the Christ (Sun / Son) and is a perfect symbolic "picture" of the Sun between the signs of Gemini (the twins) and the sign of Cancer (the Mother) which occurs precisely at the time of the summer solstice when the Sun "stands still".

The symbolism fits - suggesting that the Magi were two in number (the Twins/Gemini). ( Not that the Magi were actually "twins" but that they were two of the "same thing" ). Could the Magi have "located" the Christ child (revealed the location) at the time of the summer solstice in 5 BC, and that the Magi (like the solstices) were (are) two in number?
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If it were 5 BC, that would connect with the 'two' planets becoming 'one' WANDERING star.

Very interesting stuff when you actually start looking into this with any degree of seriousness.
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I've decided to look into the concept of the bible as Astrology.
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Interesting approach considering that the Bible proclaims all who dabble in astrology to be an abomination unto the Lord.
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LOL Abraham taught astronomy to the Egyptians!! The priest caste were all astrologers!
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here's the dates of spring and fall according to the sun times....this is for southern states eastern time....first day of spring is march 16 2012 at 7:48 am until 7:48 pm and first day of fall is September 26 2012 at 7:30 am until 7:30 pm......count the number of days -in between- these dates and get the first day of summer....then add this half divided time to fall and get winter.peace
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So does this discount the concept of months, and proclaim only seasons?
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here's the dates of spring and fall according to the sun times....this is for southern states eastern time....first day of spring is march 16 2012 at 7:48 am until 7:48 pm and first day of fall is September 26 2012 at 7:30 am until 7:30 pm......count the number of days -in between- these dates and get the first day of summer....then add this half divided time to fall and get winter.peace
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www.calender-update.com/sun.asphf
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Link doesn't exist/work. :(
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best to look to JESUS instead

the Bible specifically advises to avoid astrology

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I've decided to look into the concept of the bible as Astrology.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Interesting approach considering that the Bible proclaims all who dabble in astrology to be an abomination unto the Lord.
 Quoting: truth ftw


Actually no, it doesn't. The only verse that APPEARS to do so, only does if taken out of context. Thanks for your 'input' into the ACTUAL TOPIC, though...

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 Quoting: Sandi_T


There are only two specific discussions of the word "astrologers" in the Bible, and it is in the following passage from Isaiah 47:13 which is often cited as a biblical "condemnation" of Astrology. I have to admit that when someone showed this passage to me for the first time, it looked like it was saying that all astrologers would burn in hell!

13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

But I forgot to ask myself, "Who is the 'thou' and 'thee' Isaiah is talking to?"

On first reading of this out-of-context quotation from the Bible, it appeared even to me that it was saying that astrologers would be burned, presumably for practising Astrology. Naturally, I was concerned, and resolved to check it out for myself. After a thorough reading of the verses "in context", it appeared to be saying nothing more than that the God of the Israelites was going to punish the King of the Babylonians and his people, and that nothing - not even the Babylonian King's astrologers and other wise counselors - could do anything to save the Babylonians from the wrath of God. (Babylon was located in the region of Mesopotamia now known as Iraq, and it is interesting that there is now another evil "king" in charge there, who has attacked the nation of Israel with modern missiles.)

Remember that the Babylonians had taken the Israelites (God's "chosen people") into "captivity", which really means into "slavery". And Isaiah was an Israelite. To the children of Israel, the Babylonians were evil oppressors and enemies of the Hebrew people. They hoped their God would smite the Babylonians and free them from captivity and slavery.

Here are the verses immediately before AND after the cited passage, in which "thee" refers to the nation of "Babylon", not to "astrologers":

11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.

15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.

This, then, is not a condemnation of astrologers, nor of the practice of Astrology - but a condemnation of the King of Babylon and his people, who were enemies of the Israelites. Isaiah is saying that no one can save them, and mentions "astrologers" and "stargazers" among other kinds of counselors and even the merchants of Babylon, as being powerless against the will of God.

To assume that this passage condemns the practice of Astrology itself is a misinterpretation of the true meaning of this biblical prophesy. If this is taken to "condemn" Astrology then, by the same misguided logic, one would have to say that it also condemns "merchants". But it does not condemn them, it only says that they cannot save the King from the God of Israel. No human could save the King from God's plan; and later events proved this to be true, according to the account in the Bible.

Source [50% rule observed]: [link to www.astrologyzine.com]

The bible's commentary on STARS AS SIGNS FROM GOD:

The bible itself may well admit to its own Astrology:

Psalm 19

1The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2Day unto day [it] uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,


"There shall be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars." - Jesus Christ, Luke 21:25


"And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as SIGNS to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the Earth." And it was so." (Gen. 1:14-15)
 Quoting: Sandi_T


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Re: The Bible as Astrology
here's the dates of spring and fall according to the sun times....this is for southern states eastern time....first day of spring is march 16 2012 at 7:48 am until 7:48 pm and first day of fall is September 26 2012 at 7:30 am until 7:30 pm......count the number of days -in between- these dates and get the first day of summer....then add this half divided time to fall and get winter.peace
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So does this discount the concept of months, and proclaim only seasons?
 Quoting: Sandi_T
...months were invented by men, the 7 days and seasons were created by the CREATOR,any questions.but you can call them months in between or whatever.peace
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...

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