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here's the dates of spring and fall according to the sun times....this is for southern states eastern time....first day of spring is march 16 2012 at 7:48 am until 7:48 pm and first day of fall is September 26 2012 at 7:30 am until 7:30 pm......count the number of days -in between- these dates and get the first day of summer....then add this half divided time to fall and get winter.peace
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So does this discount the concept of months, and proclaim only seasons?
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...months were invented by men, the 7 days and seasons were created by the CREATOR,any questions.but you can call them months in between or whatever.peace
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Months come from moon cycles.

What indicates the 7 day cycles? Is there a change in the sun or something that indicates 7 day cycles?
No more requests in the "Strangest things" thread please. :hf:

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Two magi? maybe.... :)

In archetypal astrology the 4th house is the house of the mother (astrological sign of Cancer) the beginning of which also marks the place where the Sun "stands still" at the summer solstice.

The time of the summer solstice marks the day with the greatest amount of light in the northern hemisphere. The date for the summer solstice, at the time of Christ, was June 25th.

The astrological sign that the Sun leaves to enter the 4th house is Gemini (The Twins).

The astronomical/astrological "code" shows the Christ (the Son/Sun) with his mother (in the 4th house - the ancient astrological house of The Great Mother - The astrological sign of Cancer - the house of the "psychological base" in contemporary astrology) as the Magi (approaching "from the East") found the Christ (Sun / Son) and is a perfect symbolic "picture" of the Sun between the signs of Gemini (the twins) and the sign of Cancer (the Mother) which occurs precisely at the time of the summer solstice when the Sun "stands still".

The symbolism fits - suggesting that the Magi were two in number (the Twins/Gemini). ( Not that the Magi were actually "twins" but that they were two of the "same thing" ). Could the Magi have "located" the Christ child (revealed the location) at the time of the summer solstice in 5 BC, and that the Magi (like the solstices) were (are) two in number?
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If it were 5 BC, that would connect with the 'two' planets becoming 'one' WANDERING star.

Very interesting stuff when you actually start looking into this with any degree of seriousness.
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Interesting indeed! The Feb 18th, 5BC date, when plotted into a birth chart, produces an amazing (what I believe to be the missing capstone of the Great Pyramid, which was meant to be an astrological configuration) - Seal of Solomon - which is also the moment when the sun entered Pisces, and with all the planets in place, it sits right over a "Grand Cross" (another astrological configuration). If you could see it visually, it perfectly depicts the Star of Bethlehem. (I don't know how to post pics here :(

According to those calculations, the first "Easter" or the day of Christ's resurrection would be between 33 and 34 years after Christ's birth. This is because Christ's earthly life lasted into His 34th year (33 years plus).
The chart for the first Sunday after the Spring Equinox for 28 AD shows the same Solomon's Seal, but without the cross. At this time Jesus Christ would have been on the Earth just passed His 33rd birthday (From February 18th 5 BC to March 28th 28 AD.

All the ancient writings are full of astrological symbolism - which I believe, was their intent in the first place!!
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How about a dual intent? As above, so Below.

For every correspondence you're seeing in the stars, it's happening on the ground.

In other words, Jesus Christ is exactly who and what he is claimed to be.
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I've decided to look into the concept of the bible as Astrology.
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Interesting approach considering that the Bible proclaims all who dabble in astrology to be an abomination unto the Lord.
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LOL Abraham taught astronomy to the Egyptians!! The priest caste were all astrologers!
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This is where linguistics and philology really help alot. Information itself is fractal and there are only a handful of "stories", however there can be 100,000 words for the exact same person/place/thing. This is why symbols like the circumpunct or the rosy cross(red cross in circle) stand the test of man's manipulation of neuro-linguitics.

The bible appears as many different stories, it's not. It repeats the same story of our closest Star/Sol/Sun's dynamic interaction with other Stars/Suns. Once the pineal is activated, novelty and seperation completely collapses.

Using the term Sophia as an example, Sophia is a variation of Sothis/Sophis which Rome turned into Cerbeus(Sirius is at least a 3-star system). There are way too many linguistic variations to list, but all of them refer to the star system Sirius, sometimes feminine and sometimes masculine. Sheba is one of these names and will shed illumination upon the biblical story of Sol(sun)o-mon(man).
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The three wise men where magicans from, greece persia and Ethiopia.
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Sorry but this is what the church has always wanted you to know.

The bible is packed with astro theology, ancient scientific knowlege and a history of the ages stretching back thousands of years.

Freemasonary know all this its the core secrets of their knowledge.

The curch became very wealthy over the past 1700 years by keeping this all secret and it was the masons and other secret societies that kept alive the truth.
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best to look to JESUS instead

the Bible specifically advises to avoid astrology

love rb
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I've decided to look into the concept of the bible as Astrology.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Interesting approach considering that the Bible proclaims all who dabble in astrology to be an abomination unto the Lord.
 Quoting: truth ftw


Actually no, it doesn't. The only verse that APPEARS to do so, only does if taken out of context. Thanks for your 'input' into the ACTUAL TOPIC, though...

rolleyes
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(Deuteronomy 18)

10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
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There are only two specific discussions of the word "astrologers" in the Bible, and it is in the following passage from Isaiah 47:13 which is often cited as a biblical "condemnation" of Astrology. I have to admit that when someone showed this passage to me for the first time, it looked like it was saying that all astrologers would burn in hell!

13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

But I forgot to ask myself, "Who is the 'thou' and 'thee' Isaiah is talking to?"

On first reading of this out-of-context quotation from the Bible, it appeared even to me that it was saying that astrologers would be burned, presumably for practising Astrology. Naturally, I was concerned, and resolved to check it out for myself. After a thorough reading of the verses "in context", it appeared to be saying nothing more than that the God of the Israelites was going to punish the King of the Babylonians and his people, and that nothing - not even the Babylonian King's astrologers and other wise counselors - could do anything to save the Babylonians from the wrath of God. (Babylon was located in the region of Mesopotamia now known as Iraq, and it is interesting that there is now another evil "king" in charge there, who has attacked the nation of Israel with modern missiles.)

Remember that the Babylonians had taken the Israelites (God's "chosen people") into "captivity", which really means into "slavery". And Isaiah was an Israelite. To the children of Israel, the Babylonians were evil oppressors and enemies of the Hebrew people. They hoped their God would smite the Babylonians and free them from captivity and slavery.

Here are the verses immediately before AND after the cited passage, in which "thee" refers to the nation of "Babylon", not to "astrologers":

11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.

15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.

This, then, is not a condemnation of astrologers, nor of the practice of Astrology - but a condemnation of the King of Babylon and his people, who were enemies of the Israelites. Isaiah is saying that no one can save them, and mentions "astrologers" and "stargazers" among other kinds of counselors and even the merchants of Babylon, as being powerless against the will of God.

To assume that this passage condemns the practice of Astrology itself is a misinterpretation of the true meaning of this biblical prophesy. If this is taken to "condemn" Astrology then, by the same misguided logic, one would have to say that it also condemns "merchants". But it does not condemn them, it only says that they cannot save the King from the God of Israel. No human could save the King from God's plan; and later events proved this to be true, according to the account in the Bible.

Source [50% rule observed]: [link to www.astrologyzine.com]

The bible's commentary on STARS AS SIGNS FROM GOD:

The bible itself may well admit to its own Astrology:

Psalm 19

1The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2Day unto day [it] uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,


"There shall be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars." - Jesus Christ, Luke 21:25


"And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as SIGNS to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the Earth." And it was so." (Gen. 1:14-15)
 Quoting: Sandi_T


It's clear from Isaiah that God detests astrologers. It's one thing to admire the celestial creation. It's another to look to them "to mark seasons and days and years." And it's yet another to look to them, instead of God, for prophecy of future events. When you do this, you are opening yourself up to demonic deception and possession. But just as Eve was free to the eat the apple anyway if she wanted to, you are free to disregard God's warning.

(2 Timothy 3)

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
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I wonder what star the belt of Orion follows? Maybe one of our resident astrologists can tell us. What direction do they 'follow' this star across the sky?
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Not sure what you mean by "follows?" in terms of movement across the southern night sky? or perhaps in mythology as in "Orion forever hunts after the Pleiades". Some info here to help explain in terms of Astrology, Astronomy, and Astrolatry (relating planets and stars to creation and mythology).

Astronomically the three stars of Orion's belt are actually very far in distance from each other. All considered "Blue" stars, one is a binary system, another is a quad system and one is a single system. It is from Earth viewpoint that they look like they are aligned together. For instance,

Orion's Belt | Light Years (LY) | System

Alnitak A (Zeta) 780 Binary
Mintaka (Delta) 910 Quad
Alniam (Epsilon) 1,335 Single

There is more regarding orbits - our solar system, Orions Belt etc. are within what is called the Goulds Belt which is in the Orion Spiral arm of the Milky Way. The Goulds Belt of stars orbits around an astronomical center which itself orbits the galactic center. Another topic to be sure but mentioned here because everything is in motion and there are many levels of orbits as it all traverses around MW center.

Astrologically in constellation terms some of the "interesting" stars are within their respective constellations, at specific degrees known as "Fixed Stars" and used in Astrology interpretation. For instance,

Fixed Star | Distance (LY) | Constellation/Degree
Alnitak A (Zeta) 780 Orion/24 Gemini
Mintaka (Delta) 910 Orion/22 Gemini
Alniam (Epsilon) 1,335 Orion/23 Gemini
Sirius AB 8 Canis Major/13 Cancer
Alcyone-Pleiades 500 Taurus/29 Taurus

These "Fixed Stars" as well as certain asteroids (e.g., Ceres, Juno, Pallas, Vesta) and centaurs (e.g. Chiron,Pholus, Nessus) the new planetoid "Eris" when placed within an Astrological birth chart, are new (or old but now "remembered") fields of research and are showing up as additional insight and interpretation.

Astrolatry links ancient mythology in to bring further insight into Astrology as a universal symbolic language of intelligence that requires knowledge of mathmatics and astronomy to develop a view of cosmology - the motherlode of the metaphysical understanding. Much can be gained studying roman-greek mythology of Atlas as father to the seven sisters as well as native american (Hopi, Dakota, Lakota Sioux, Hohokam, Creeks, Navajo, Iroquois, Aztec, and Myan).

Bottom line coming back to religious books - over 30 books were discarded from the Bible by the council of Nicea; all reference to Astrology was largely removed as was references to reincarnation. Only small fragments are left as hints of the knowledge which is now coming back online.

In Egyptian lore, Osiris is Orion and Isis is Sirius. Another way to say it is Osiris is FROM Orion, Isis FROM Sirius. Greek mythology states that "After" Atlas who "supported the heavens on his shoulders" and fathered the seven sisters, ORION began to "pursue" all of the Pleiades.

I find it most interesting "breadcrumbs" of Pleiades mythology that one of the seven sisters, Maia (Mayan?)was explicitly identified with Earth (Gaia) and was the mother of Hermes (mercury). Another "Sister" Alcyone, with Poseidon (Neptune) together birthed Hyrieus. Hyrieus was the father of Orion. These myths sure sound like stories of our origins of far ancient times.
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I wonder what star the belt of Orion follows? Maybe one of our resident astrologists can tell us. What direction do they 'follow' this star across the sky?
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Not sure what you mean by "follows?" in terms of movement across the southern night sky? or perhaps in mythology as in "Orion forever hunts after the Pleiades". Some info here to help explain in terms of Astrology, Astronomy, and Astrolatry (relating planets and stars to creation and mythology).

Astronomically the three stars of Orion's belt are actually very far in distance from each other. All considered "Blue" stars, one is a binary system, another is a quad system and one is a single system. It is from Earth viewpoint that they look like they are aligned together. For instance,

Orion's Belt | Light Years (LY) | System

Alnitak A (Zeta) 780 Binary
Mintaka (Delta) 910 Quad
Alniam (Epsilon) 1,335 Single

There is more regarding orbits - our solar system, Orions Belt etc. are within what is called the Goulds Belt which is in the Orion Spiral arm of the Milky Way. The Goulds Belt of stars orbits around an astronomical center which itself orbits the galactic center. Another topic to be sure but mentioned here because everything is in motion and there are many levels of orbits as it all traverses around MW center.

Astrologically in constellation terms some of the "interesting" stars are within their respective constellations, at specific degrees known as "Fixed Stars" and used in Astrology interpretation. For instance,

Fixed Star | Distance (LY) | Constellation/Degree
Alnitak A (Zeta) 780 Orion/24 Gemini
Mintaka (Delta) 910 Orion/22 Gemini
Alniam (Epsilon) 1,335 Orion/23 Gemini
Sirius AB 8 Canis Major/13 Cancer
Alcyone-Pleiades 500 Taurus/29 Taurus

These "Fixed Stars" as well as certain asteroids (e.g., Ceres, Juno, Pallas, Vesta) and centaurs (e.g. Chiron,Pholus, Nessus) the new planetoid "Eris" when placed within an Astrological birth chart, are new (or old but now "remembered") fields of research and are showing up as additional insight and interpretation.

Astrolatry links ancient mythology in to bring further insight into Astrology as a universal symbolic language of intelligence that requires knowledge of mathmatics and astronomy to develop a view of cosmology - the motherlode of the metaphysical understanding. Much can be gained studying roman-greek mythology of Atlas as father to the seven sisters as well as native american (Hopi, Dakota, Lakota Sioux, Hohokam, Creeks, Navajo, Iroquois, Aztec, and Myan).

Bottom line coming back to religious books - over 30 books were discarded from the Bible by the council of Nicea; all reference to Astrology was largely removed as was references to reincarnation. Only small fragments are left as hints of the knowledge which is now coming back online.

In Egyptian lore, Osiris is Orion and Isis is Sirius. Another way to say it is Osiris is FROM Orion, Isis FROM Sirius. Greek mythology states that "After" Atlas who "supported the heavens on his shoulders" and fathered the seven sisters, ORION began to "pursue" all of the Pleiades.

I find it most interesting "breadcrumbs" of Pleiades mythology that one of the seven sisters, Maia (Mayan?)was explicitly identified with Earth (Gaia) and was the mother of Hermes (mercury). Another "Sister" Alcyone, with Poseidon (Neptune) together birthed Hyrieus. Hyrieus was the father of Orion. These myths sure sound like stories of our origins of far ancient times.
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lala

leo/sun/color yellow/element gold: in persia the heart of the lion, or cor leonis.

this was the first of the four royal stars of ancient Persia, with Antares, Fomalhaut and Aldebaran.

these stars are separated by about 6 hours in right ascension, and so they well marked the four quarters of the sky (6 6 6)

for egyptians when leo meet virgo during mid summer = the sphinx.
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Santos Bonacci on Youtube.

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I might be interested to chime in. After all, I have over 30 years studied Astrology. A fellow Astrologer here in the Southwest, well known amongst the true professionals, has been lecturing on Astrology in the Bible for over 15 years and I might get him over to join in. He and I have had many dicussions on the subject.

There numerous astrological references to site in genesis, OT/NT, Enoch, etc. Topics that go way deeper than what you might typically find here on GLP cover more than just the copy-and-paste type poster.
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What can you tell us regarding Ezekiel. Any reference points would be highly appreciated.
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Well the first point to make is along the line of ancient ET visitations, another topic that you will find references to, where he describes the "wheels within wheels" and the strange beings that appeared. To some, a fairly obvious description of craft landing. To others the book of Ezekiel is all about Astrology. For instance, Donna Preble writes: from
[link to www.theosophy-nw.org]

"Thus does the zodiac continue in the New Testament, and the four points in the tabernacle of Moses and the four cherubs of Ezekiel's wheels are repeated in the four Gospels or Evangels of the New Testament. In fact, the book of Ezekiel is pure astrology. Ezekiel, in his vision, sees in sublime form the Lords of the signs of the zodiac, the revolving planets, the constellations, and the angels of the four points -- the elements; in Aquarius, the man; Taurus, the ox; Leo, the lion; and Scorpio, the eagle.

The cross in Astrology, is the horizon axis which marks east-west and the MC/IC axis (North or Zenith, and South or Nadir). Planets that appear on or very close to these points take the highest of precedence in chart interpretation i.e., they have more weight and significance.

During the precessional age of that time, spring began when the sun entered Taurus, summer Leo, fall Scorpio, and winter Aquarius. Back then they were the four cardinal points of the Zodiac. Today however the cardinal points are now Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn. Thus to understand the references, know the times (Ages) that mark the season have since changed.

In Ezekiel 4:4-5 (I give you a day for a year) this is a reference to a type of standard Astrology technique called "progression" where the individual birth chart is advanced one degree for every year and used for interpreting how the chart advances throughout the lifetime. For example, let's assume you were born when the sun was 20 degrees before an exact conjunction with Jupiter. By Progession, the sun advances one degree each day, so in 20 years the progressed chart present the sun-jupiter conjunction, and that would present a scenario to be a very favorable year in that person's life.

Of course Astrology only presents a ort-of blueprint, planetary transits and progrssions reveal favorable or unfavorable climates ala timing, and the tendancy towards what might be thought of as destiny. All major events in one's life are mirrored in the heavens. Of course free will is always in the mix so the individual has the choice to take advantage of it lest they sit by and not take advantage of opportune times or be ignorant when to lay low until the storm passes.

Hope that helps a bit.
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Santos Bonacci on Youtube.

Good chit.
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best to look to JESUS instead

the Bible specifically advises to avoid astrology

love rb
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I've decided to look into the concept of the bible as Astrology.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Interesting approach considering that the Bible proclaims all who dabble in astrology to be an abomination unto the Lord.
 Quoting: truth ftw


Actually no, it doesn't. The only verse that APPEARS to do so, only does if taken out of context. Thanks for your 'input' into the ACTUAL TOPIC, though...

rolleyes
 Quoting: Sandi_T


There are only two specific discussions of the word "astrologers" in the Bible, and it is in the following passage from Isaiah 47:13 which is often cited as a biblical "condemnation" of Astrology. I have to admit that when someone showed this passage to me for the first time, it looked like it was saying that all astrologers would burn in hell!

13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

But I forgot to ask myself, "Who is the 'thou' and 'thee' Isaiah is talking to?"

On first reading of this out-of-context quotation from the Bible, it appeared even to me that it was saying that astrologers would be burned, presumably for practising Astrology. Naturally, I was concerned, and resolved to check it out for myself. After a thorough reading of the verses "in context", it appeared to be saying nothing more than that the God of the Israelites was going to punish the King of the Babylonians and his people, and that nothing - not even the Babylonian King's astrologers and other wise counselors - could do anything to save the Babylonians from the wrath of God. (Babylon was located in the region of Mesopotamia now known as Iraq, and it is interesting that there is now another evil "king" in charge there, who has attacked the nation of Israel with modern missiles.)

Remember that the Babylonians had taken the Israelites (God's "chosen people") into "captivity", which really means into "slavery". And Isaiah was an Israelite. To the children of Israel, the Babylonians were evil oppressors and enemies of the Hebrew people. They hoped their God would smite the Babylonians and free them from captivity and slavery.

Here are the verses immediately before AND after the cited passage, in which "thee" refers to the nation of "Babylon", not to "astrologers":

11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.

15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.

This, then, is not a condemnation of astrologers, nor of the practice of Astrology - but a condemnation of the King of Babylon and his people, who were enemies of the Israelites. Isaiah is saying that no one can save them, and mentions "astrologers" and "stargazers" among other kinds of counselors and even the merchants of Babylon, as being powerless against the will of God.

To assume that this passage condemns the practice of Astrology itself is a misinterpretation of the true meaning of this biblical prophesy. If this is taken to "condemn" Astrology then, by the same misguided logic, one would have to say that it also condemns "merchants". But it does not condemn them, it only says that they cannot save the King from the God of Israel. No human could save the King from God's plan; and later events proved this to be true, according to the account in the Bible.

Source [50% rule observed]: [link to www.astrologyzine.com]

The bible's commentary on STARS AS SIGNS FROM GOD:

The bible itself may well admit to its own Astrology:

Psalm 19

1The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2Day unto day [it] uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,


"There shall be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars." - Jesus Christ, Luke 21:25


"And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as SIGNS to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the Earth." And it was so." (Gen. 1:14-15)
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 Quoting: Sandi_T


nice rationalization (with research) but it's occult stuff and will lead either nowhere, or to bad things happening. we are to trust in the Lord with all our hearts -- the one who MADE the stars.

we need to pray for wisdom and discernment. and keep our eyes FIXED on Jesus Christ. the kingdoms that were way into this stuff fell remember? Babylon, Egypt; that's where it came from. it's corruption of ancient mazzaroth and cannot help us

it can at best be a useless diversion and at worst a foothold for the enemy

I strongly advise avoiding this stuff

love rb
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I might be interested to chime in. After all, I have over 30 years studied Astrology. A fellow Astrologer here in the Southwest, well known amongst the true professionals, has been lecturing on Astrology in the Bible for over 15 years and I might get him over to join in. He and I have had many dicussions on the subject.

There numerous astrological references to site in genesis, OT/NT, Enoch, etc. Topics that go way deeper than what you might typically find here on GLP cover more than just the copy-and-paste type poster.
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What can you tell us regarding Ezekiel. Any reference points would be highly appreciated.
 Quoting: LilacFrost


Well the first point to make is along the line of ancient ET visitations, another topic that you will find references to, where he describes the "wheels within wheels" and the strange beings that appeared. To some, a fairly obvious description of craft landing. To others the book of Ezekiel is all about Astrology. For instance, Donna Preble writes: from
[link to www.theosophy-nw.org]

"Thus does the zodiac continue in the New Testament, and the four points in the tabernacle of Moses and the four cherubs of Ezekiel's wheels are repeated in the four Gospels or Evangels of the New Testament. In fact, the book of Ezekiel is pure astrology. Ezekiel, in his vision, sees in sublime form the Lords of the signs of the zodiac, the revolving planets, the constellations, and the angels of the four points -- the elements; in Aquarius, the man; Taurus, the ox; Leo, the lion; and Scorpio, the eagle.

The cross in Astrology, is the horizon axis which marks east-west and the MC/IC axis (North or Zenith, and South or Nadir). Planets that appear on or very close to these points take the highest of precedence in chart interpretation i.e., they have more weight and significance.

During the precessional age of that time, spring began when the sun entered Taurus, summer Leo, fall Scorpio, and winter Aquarius. Back then they were the four cardinal points of the Zodiac. Today however the cardinal points are now Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn. Thus to understand the references, know the times (Ages) that mark the season have since changed.

In Ezekiel 4:4-5 (I give you a day for a year) this is a reference to a type of standard Astrology technique called "progression" where the individual birth chart is advanced one degree for every year and used for interpreting how the chart advances throughout the lifetime. For example, let's assume you were born when the sun was 20 degrees before an exact conjunction with Jupiter. By Progession, the sun advances one degree each day, so in 20 years the progressed chart present the sun-jupiter conjunction, and that would present a scenario to be a very favorable year in that person's life.

Of course Astrology only presents a ort-of blueprint, planetary transits and progrssions reveal favorable or unfavorable climates ala timing, and the tendancy towards what might be thought of as destiny. All major events in one's life are mirrored in the heavens. Of course free will is always in the mix so the individual has the choice to take advantage of it lest they sit by and not take advantage of opportune times or be ignorant when to lay low until the storm passes.

Hope that helps a bit.
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if you want to know more, search for the most ancient civilizations and you will find good stuff thumbs

here is a little bite for you...

scorpio - pluto - color black - element bismuth - god of hell and death (hades/pluto) - for the maoris (new zealand) maui a demi god slowed the path of the fun because he wanted the days to be longer (he poisoned it) - for the egyptians he stung the sun with poison so seth the god of darkness and evil could bring bad stuff on earth.
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A rare Jupiter-Saturn conjunction occured at the time around the birth of "Jesus" 3 times in fact during the year he was born. This was one of the undeniable signs that he would of been born under. Buddah came also under this planetary lineup in 63 BC which also occured 40 years later when he became "enlightened". Coincidence perhaps?

Jesus is thought to be a Capricorn, born on Christmas Day Not so; xmas was in ancient times a pagan holiday to celebrate the winter solstice. The true actual birthchart is contested as to exact day, but many believe it was in the year 7 BC. Some believe he was a Pisces. the PJs give different days in August and that would make him a Leo. I agree with that.

Then there are astronomical considerations. Precession in the Age of Pisces played a huge role in symbols. For instance the christian fish symbol. Baptised by water (Pisces a water sign).

Then you have the Magi who were of course astrologer-astronomers. They were "told" of the coming and sought him out. Another story just in this topic.

Finally, some famous quotes speak to many other topics as well:

JOB 38-31--“Canst thou bind the sweet influences of the Pleiades or loose the bands of Orion?".

AMOS 5:8--"Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into morning, and maketh day dark with night: that calleth forth the waters of the sea, and pour them out upon the face of the earth: The Lord is his name!"

Clearly, Pleiades and Orion factor into the story. That leads further to discussion on the Maya (one of the 7 sisters) long count end times prophecy.

Your right, OP, lots of huge topics. Where do you want to take this?
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I get it, I get it now!!

It has been theorized, and discussed in a documentary film often aired on American public television (PBS), that this new "star" which the magi noticed in the Sign of Pisces was actually two large and bright planets, Jupiter and Saturn, appearing in the same place in the sky three times during the year 7 B.C., which would make those two "gas giant" planets look like one bright new "star" when they formed this "conjunction" and appeared to be very close together. A conjunction is a term used in both Astronomy and Astrology to signify the appearance of two heavenly bodies at the same location in the sky. (The planets are not actually IN the same place, they just appear that way because one is passing in front of the other, when viewed from our position on planet Earth.)

This auspicious conjunction first occured at the time of the ancient New Year which corresponded with the Spring Equinox, the first day of Spring. The constellation in which the Sun was located at sunrise on this day also happened to be a different constellation than in the previous 2160 years, which marks the beginning of a new astronomical Age.

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Nice!
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I've decided to look into the concept of the bible as Astrology.
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Interesting approach considering that the Bible proclaims all who dabble in astrology to be an abomination unto the Lord.
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LOL Abraham taught astronomy to the Egyptians!! The priest caste were all astrologers!
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Bingo!
And who was it that mentored and taught Abram who later changed his name to Abraham? Machiventa Melchizedek a.k.a. The Sage of Salem, the town that became Jerusalem. He was a major influence in his day, a Son of God perhaps?

To those that believe astrology to be an abomination, only the ignorant who "dabble" without developing their knowing, might otherwise use bling with the goal to enrich self and lead others astray. The bigger question is why the cosmic intelligence is kept from the people, made into fear and something evil? by the controllers of course, in their ongoing attempts to keep 'em ignorant and distracted from discovering truth.
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I can't believe no one posted thing one yet... Here you go.

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Because there's no truth in it?
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best to look to JESUS instead

the Bible specifically advises to avoid astrology

love rb
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Interesting approach considering that the Bible proclaims all who dabble in astrology to be an abomination unto the Lord.
 Quoting: truth ftw


Actually no, it doesn't. The only verse that APPEARS to do so, only does if taken out of context. Thanks for your 'input' into the ACTUAL TOPIC, though...

rolleyes
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There are only two specific discussions of the word "astrologers" in the Bible, and it is in the following passage from Isaiah 47:13 which is often cited as a biblical "condemnation" of Astrology. I have to admit that when someone showed this passage to me for the first time, it looked like it was saying that all astrologers would burn in hell!

13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

But I forgot to ask myself, "Who is the 'thou' and 'thee' Isaiah is talking to?"

On first reading of this out-of-context quotation from the Bible, it appeared even to me that it was saying that astrologers would be burned, presumably for practising Astrology. Naturally, I was concerned, and resolved to check it out for myself. After a thorough reading of the verses "in context", it appeared to be saying nothing more than that the God of the Israelites was going to punish the King of the Babylonians and his people, and that nothing - not even the Babylonian King's astrologers and other wise counselors - could do anything to save the Babylonians from the wrath of God. (Babylon was located in the region of Mesopotamia now known as Iraq, and it is interesting that there is now another evil "king" in charge there, who has attacked the nation of Israel with modern missiles.)

Remember that the Babylonians had taken the Israelites (God's "chosen people") into "captivity", which really means into "slavery". And Isaiah was an Israelite. To the children of Israel, the Babylonians were evil oppressors and enemies of the Hebrew people. They hoped their God would smite the Babylonians and free them from captivity and slavery.

Here are the verses immediately before AND after the cited passage, in which "thee" refers to the nation of "Babylon", not to "astrologers":

11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.

15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.

This, then, is not a condemnation of astrologers, nor of the practice of Astrology - but a condemnation of the King of Babylon and his people, who were enemies of the Israelites. Isaiah is saying that no one can save them, and mentions "astrologers" and "stargazers" among other kinds of counselors and even the merchants of Babylon, as being powerless against the will of God.

To assume that this passage condemns the practice of Astrology itself is a misinterpretation of the true meaning of this biblical prophesy. If this is taken to "condemn" Astrology then, by the same misguided logic, one would have to say that it also condemns "merchants". But it does not condemn them, it only says that they cannot save the King from the God of Israel. No human could save the King from God's plan; and later events proved this to be true, according to the account in the Bible.

Source [50% rule observed]: [link to www.astrologyzine.com]

The bible's commentary on STARS AS SIGNS FROM GOD:

The bible itself may well admit to its own Astrology:

Psalm 19

1The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2Day unto day [it] uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,


"There shall be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars." - Jesus Christ, Luke 21:25


"And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as SIGNS to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the Earth." And it was so." (Gen. 1:14-15)
 Quoting: Sandi_T

 Quoting: Sandi_T


nice rationalization (with research) but it's occult stuff and will lead either nowhere, or to bad things happening. we are to trust in the Lord with all our hearts -- the one who MADE the stars.

we need to pray for wisdom and discernment. and keep our eyes FIXED on Jesus Christ. the kingdoms that were way into this stuff fell remember? Babylon, Egypt; that's where it came from. it's corruption of ancient mazzaroth and cannot help us

it can at best be a useless diversion and at worst a foothold for the enemy

I strongly advise avoiding this stuff

love rb
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first point,the sun separates the day from night,2nd point the sun marks the seasons as the greater light and the lesser light,3rd point the sun gives light to the earth.
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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The moon, stars, and planets were not to be followed in the 6th day teachings given by the Creator.....the stars,moon,and planets are used by fallen angels to lead people into vanities of vanity.
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Actually no, it doesn't. The only verse that APPEARS to do so, only does if taken out of context. Thanks for your 'input' into the ACTUAL TOPIC, though...

rolleyes
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There are only two specific discussions of the word "astrologers" in the Bible, and it is in the following passage from Isaiah 47:13 which is often cited as a biblical "condemnation" of Astrology. I have to admit that when someone showed this passage to me for the first time, it looked like it was saying that all astrologers would burn in hell!

13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

But I forgot to ask myself, "Who is the 'thou' and 'thee' Isaiah is talking to?"

On first reading of this out-of-context quotation from the Bible, it appeared even to me that it was saying that astrologers would be burned, presumably for practising Astrology. Naturally, I was concerned, and resolved to check it out for myself. After a thorough reading of the verses "in context", it appeared to be saying nothing more than that the God of the Israelites was going to punish the King of the Babylonians and his people, and that nothing - not even the Babylonian King's astrologers and other wise counselors - could do anything to save the Babylonians from the wrath of God. (Babylon was located in the region of Mesopotamia now known as Iraq, and it is interesting that there is now another evil "king" in charge there, who has attacked the nation of Israel with modern missiles.)

Remember that the Babylonians had taken the Israelites (God's "chosen people") into "captivity", which really means into "slavery". And Isaiah was an Israelite. To the children of Israel, the Babylonians were evil oppressors and enemies of the Hebrew people. They hoped their God would smite the Babylonians and free them from captivity and slavery.

Here are the verses immediately before AND after the cited passage, in which "thee" refers to the nation of "Babylon", not to "astrologers":

11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.

15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.

This, then, is not a condemnation of astrologers, nor of the practice of Astrology - but a condemnation of the King of Babylon and his people, who were enemies of the Israelites. Isaiah is saying that no one can save them, and mentions "astrologers" and "stargazers" among other kinds of counselors and even the merchants of Babylon, as being powerless against the will of God.

To assume that this passage condemns the practice of Astrology itself is a misinterpretation of the true meaning of this biblical prophesy. If this is taken to "condemn" Astrology then, by the same misguided logic, one would have to say that it also condemns "merchants". But it does not condemn them, it only says that they cannot save the King from the God of Israel. No human could save the King from God's plan; and later events proved this to be true, according to the account in the Bible.

Source [50% rule observed]: [link to www.astrologyzine.com]

The bible's commentary on STARS AS SIGNS FROM GOD:

The bible itself may well admit to its own Astrology:

Psalm 19

1The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2Day unto day [it] uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,


"There shall be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars." - Jesus Christ, Luke 21:25


"And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as SIGNS to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the Earth." And it was so." (Gen. 1:14-15)
 Quoting: Sandi_T

 Quoting: Sandi_T


nice rationalization (with research) but it's occult stuff and will lead either nowhere, or to bad things happening. we are to trust in the Lord with all our hearts -- the one who MADE the stars.

we need to pray for wisdom and discernment. and keep our eyes FIXED on Jesus Christ. the kingdoms that were way into this stuff fell remember? Babylon, Egypt; that's where it came from. it's corruption of ancient mazzaroth and cannot help us

it can at best be a useless diversion and at worst a foothold for the enemy

I strongly advise avoiding this stuff

love rb
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first point,the sun separates the day from night,2nd point the sun marks the seasons as the greater light and the lesser light,3rd point the sun gives light to the earth.
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....the light(s) are the sun being the Greater light and the Lesser light as it is written....Greater sun-light beginning -after- the shortest day of winter -increasing- as the Greater light -until- the longest day of summer.... and the sun is the Lesser light beginning -after- the longest day of summer becoming Lesser until the shortest day of winter....go ahead if you must and follow the angels who will led you away from the Creator with the moon,stars and the planets.....WE choose to follow the Creator not the created angels.peace
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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(Deuteronomy 18)

10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

 Quoting: truth ftw


It's clear from Isaiah that God detests astrologers. It's one thing to admire the celestial creation. It's another to look to them "to mark seasons and days and years." And it's yet another to look to them, instead of God, for prophecy of future events. When you do this, you are opening yourself up to demonic deception and possession. But just as Eve was free to the eat the apple anyway if she wanted to, you are free to disregard God's warning.

(2 Timothy 3)

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

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You are talking about fortune tellers, and the proper word there is the same: fortune tellers.

Serious, genuine astrologists aren't fortune tellers. Astrology is the StarGate. It is a path, a teaching; not fortune telling.

I don't expect you to understand the difference, or what that really referenced (since its proper translation is exactly that... fortune tellers).

In multiple places, real Astrologers are mentioned positively, and the priests were Astrologers.


There are multitudes of Astrology references in the bible, many of them quite direct. Consider that if Astrologers were so evil and reviled, god wouldn't have sent them to find jesus... by giving them SIGNS. So even if you accept the bible as direct fact, god obviously didn't revile astrologers, or he wouldn't have sent ASTROLOGERS direct SIGNS for the birth. pick


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That's stupid. That's jesus versus other deities, not Astrology.

Come on, people. At least TRY to add to the ACTUAL CONVERSATION.

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nice rationalization (with research) but it's occult stuff and will lead either nowhere, or to bad things happening. we are to trust in the Lord with all our hearts -- the one who MADE the stars.

we need to pray for wisdom and discernment. and keep our eyes FIXED on Jesus Christ. the kingdoms that were way into this stuff fell remember? Babylon, Egypt; that's where it came from. it's corruption of ancient mazzaroth and cannot help us

it can at best be a useless diversion and at worst a foothold for the enemy

I strongly advise avoiding this stuff

love rb
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Enough already. I don't care what you advise. You've made your point (ad nauseum).

If you have nothing to add to the conversation, which is THE BIBLE AS ASTROLOGICAL ALLEGORY, then you have made your "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" point.

Thanks and have a nice night. byekitty
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A rare Jupiter-Saturn conjunction occured at the time around the birth of "Jesus" 3 times in fact during the year he was born. This was one of the undeniable signs that he would of been born under. Buddah came also under this planetary lineup in 63 BC which also occured 40 years later when he became "enlightened". Coincidence perhaps?

Jesus is thought to be a Capricorn, born on Christmas Day Not so; xmas was in ancient times a pagan holiday to celebrate the winter solstice. The true actual birthchart is contested as to exact day, but many believe it was in the year 7 BC. Some believe he was a Pisces. the PJs give different days in August and that would make him a Leo. I agree with that.

Then there are astronomical considerations. Precession in the Age of Pisces played a huge role in symbols. For instance the christian fish symbol. Baptised by water (Pisces a water sign).

Then you have the Magi who were of course astrologer-astronomers. They were "told" of the coming and sought him out. Another story just in this topic.

Finally, some famous quotes speak to many other topics as well:

JOB 38-31--“Canst thou bind the sweet influences of the Pleiades or loose the bands of Orion?".

AMOS 5:8--"Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into morning, and maketh day dark with night: that calleth forth the waters of the sea, and pour them out upon the face of the earth: The Lord is his name!"

Clearly, Pleiades and Orion factor into the story. That leads further to discussion on the Maya (one of the 7 sisters) long count end times prophecy.

Your right, OP, lots of huge topics. Where do you want to take this?
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I really would like to make what might be considered a 'comprehensive' list of Astrological connections in the bible. I don't know what the ultimate point is, but I think it connects to the whole business with the "bible code" stuff...

I think the stories are untrue, but that the bible is a spell. The significant amounts of Astrology in it indicate some kind of ulterior motive in it, and perhaps if we can locate and understand these connections, we will learn what it's really saying (which is not what it appears on the surface).
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HI Sandi ! All world mythos and religions stem from Astrology. Every high Priest of Ancient Egypt, Sumer, Babylon, Judea and the Druids of the Celts all had to be learned astrologers

Its how they were able to foretell the rise and fall of nations and the birth of Kings.

Read up on Mithras and the slaying of the bull which was the Aeon of Taurus. Moses ushered in the Aeon of Aries, and Jesus ushered in the Aeon of Pisces, Then you have the water pitcher (Aquarian reference that Jesus alluded to)

Jesus was a Initate Astrologer and Schooled in the Mystery Schools of Isis, He was a Gnostic .

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here's the dates of spring and fall according to the sun times....this is for southern states eastern time....first day of spring is march 16 2012 at 7:48 am until 7:48 pm and first day of fall is September 26 2012 at 7:30 am until 7:30 pm......count the number of days -in between- these dates and get the first day of summer....then add this half divided time to fall and get winter.peace
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So does this discount the concept of months, and proclaim only seasons?
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...months were invented by men, the 7 days and seasons were created by the CREATOR,any questions.but you can call them months in between or whatever.peace
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Months come from moon cycles.

What indicates the 7 day cycles? Is there a change in the sun or something that indicates 7 day cycles?
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Jesus was a Capstone Natal correct, The Capstone the Builders rejected

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Apollo, what is the 'pit' that the dragon is cast down into? Is there an astrological reference to it?

I see a lot of astrological symbology in the Revelation, the more that I look into it.

Faces like SCORPIONS, the head of the LION, the dividing of the FISH.

I know that we're intended to take all of these things as coincidence, but it all adds up far too well, IMO.

Additionally, all the references to the "bright and morning star". With these being used for both the bad guy and the good guy, there has to be another meaning behind it. Looking at the references without the hype, there is definite astrological references there.

However, I say that they are different references. One to venus, and one to the sun.
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Don't forget the 12 tribes as well. Which really would be 13 if you counted the female sister.
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Yes. It is interesting that as we approach the end of the age, we are being given BACK the additional zodiac symbol...

The moon's cycles aren't 12 per year, but 13.

The Mary Magdelene subject is one I wish to delve into deeper, as well... there's the virgo/virgin that we've already been given all along. The 12 names of the disciples are never given, except for a few.

The virgin has always been a part of the mythos, but the Crone/mother is frequently ignored (except by catholics--except they still view her as the virgin mother, not the crone).

Let me see if I can find the crone concept astrologically, will be back with that if I find it. And I'm going to look more closely at Opheuchus.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


In Judaic Magick, to make a Golum it is proper to have a dozen people present who are all twelve signs of the zodiac. So rightfully so, Jesus would have chose 12 disciples of each sign and also tribe while he represented the Sun. In Masonry Jesus was a Leo. Or Lion of Judah which is the sign ruled by the Sun. Properly one of the disciples was Ophiuchus, so there made 13 signs.

The synergy and energy of such a arrangement would have been intense. And it would have been expected of an initiate to arrange this

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