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Brain in a jar theory true or false?

 
KlLLUMINATI
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Brain in a jar theory true or false?
Brain in a jar theory true or false?

Some philosophers argue that we may not be human beings at all; that we may be nothing more than brains in jars duped into experiences by a mad scientist who, by stimulating our disembodied brains, creates for us a false reality. Proponents of this theory point to virtual reality and advancing technology as proof that it could be done. When virtual reality is considered, it seems it will not be long before scientists could fool a human brain as to what is real and what is not. The most startling evidence for the brain-in-a-jar theory comes from the research of Dr. Wilder Penfield. While operating on conscious patients' brains, Dr. Penfield found that he could simulate vivid experiences in his patients by touching a probe to different parts of their brains. Proponents of the theory point to this as evidence for their arguments. However, there is a major flaw in this type of argument. If the theory is true, then knowledge for us is impossible, because all "facts" are simply what the scientist wants us to believe. If knowledge is impossible, there is no way to make a factual argument for the above theory. Therefore, the brain-in-the-vat theory is self-refuting.

"How can we know that electrodes implanted by a mad scientist are not the source of all our experiences? And if we can't be sure about that, we can't really know anything." The basic logical flaw in this type of argument is that it disproves itself with its own arguments. If the above theory is true, knowledge for us is impossible, because all facts are merely what the scientist wants us to think and experience. If there are no real facts, then there can be no argument based on fact, which means there can be no knowledge or valid arguments. The brain-in-the-vat theory is always possible, but to claim that it is true based on the above argument is to contradict oneself.
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03/03/2012 11:48 AM
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Re: Brain in a jar theory true or false?
you don't have to argue that far, perhaps too skeptical

but the scientist must know or presuppose what a brain or neurological system is - how can he perceive or empirically measure them in the first place if everything is a neuronal construct or signal.
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03/03/2012 11:53 AM
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Re: Brain in a jar theory true or false?
YOU CAN LEARN SO MUCH FROM A TRIP TO SPENCER GIFTS. AT LEAST BACK IN THE 80'S WHEN THEY HAD THOSE BRAIN LIKE LIGHTS THAT YOU COULD TOUCH AND GET SOME LIGHTENING LIKE LASER LIKE RAYS OFF IT. YOU TOUCHED IT AND IT REACTED.

BRAINS ARE BRAINS.

BUT POSITRONIC HEADS ARE POSITRONIC HEADS.

ASK RAY KURZWEIL.
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03/03/2012 11:59 AM
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Re: Brain in a jar theory true or false?
Our only exposure to "reality" are the 5 senses, and those 5 senses all boil down to nothing more than electrical signals in your brain. There is no way of proving what you can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell is really real. It could all be a simulation.
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Re: Brain in a jar theory true or false?
Our only exposure to "reality" are the 5 senses, and those 5 senses all boil down to nothing more than electrical signals in your brain. There is no way of proving what you can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell is really real. It could all be a simulation.
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Well said...........
She just goes a little mad sometimes. We all go a little mad sometimes. Haven't you?
-Norman Bates

I think that rich people should live like poor people, and poor people should live like rich people, and change every week....
-Tupac Shakur

Somebody help me, tell me where to go from here cause even Thugs cry, but do the Lord care?
-Tupac Shakur

I don't have no fear of death. My only fear is coming back reincarnated.
-Tupac Shakur

I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color.
-Malcolm X

A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.
-Malcolm X

When there’s no more room in Hell, the dead will walk the Earth.
-Dawn of the Dead

What an excellent day for an exorcism.
-The Exorcist
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03/03/2012 02:17 PM
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Re: Brain in a jar theory true or false?
This can't be true, because most of the assholes nowadays don't have any brains to begin with!

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