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Read it ALL and THINK about it before you comment...have a real good chew on it.


Everything christians say and do is either done in FEAR..of what God will do to them if they dont grovel and bow through threats of eternal sadistic torture..OR..its done selfishly..with their own glory and reward in mind...or its done from BOTH motivations..usually BOTH.

In each case they only and ever LOVE THEMSELVES..either trying to earn a crown..or dodge the torture chamber..

IN BOTH cases..they could not give a flying fuck about people..OR God....only and ever THEMSELVES!

THAT is why they are all stinking lying self decieved arrogant hypocrites..and THAT is why I will never ever set foot inside a church again.

Maybe there will be far more "Sinners" in heaven (IF there is one)than "Christians" simply because they were at least HONEST and not greedy self righteous lying bastards!

It all boils down to THIS simple fact...

If you leave this world and anothers life has NOT been improved or helped while you were here...THAT as far as I am concerned is what God..IF he is real..would take into account. NOT what you beleive or what church you go to.

In the end it all comes down to..

DID you make a difference for GOOD in someones life UNSELFISHLY without any ulterio motives..like trying to win brownie points from God or whatever?

I love people..because they are people..NOT because Im trying to win points with god.

I am not even 100% certain there IS a God at all..but even if I was certain I would NOT change my life to please him..as that would be FALSE..dishonest..like behaving yourself just because someone is looking.

Your TRUE self..if the self you are when NO ONE IS LOOKING!

Take God out of the equation..take hell and threats..rewards of heaven..all that stuff..and see just WHO you really are when you have NOTHING TO GAIN by loving people..

THEN we will see who REALLY has love.

Because...


All we see day after day from "Christians" is pride..hate for eachother..arrogance..spite..elitism..anger...always looking down on others...

Goes like this...

HOW to be a chriatian....

1)First ya have to say a sinners prayer.

2)Then you have to go to church three times a week(At least)..each time giving ten percent of whats in your wallet to the fat dude up the front who drives luxury cars and lives in a mansion.

3)Then you have to learn to hate everyone else thats NOT a fundie or following certain LAWS and such...seeing them as doomed and not worth your trouble to love or help or feed..as ALL your time and money gets dedicated to the fat greedy pastor up the front..and your obsession with keeping laws and days and crap..LOVE is NOT in the equation..just LAWS..do's and don'ts...people NO LONGER matter.

4)After a while you have to learn to HATE all other fundies or denominations with a PASSION and see THEM as wrong and DOOMED as well..if they so much as disagree with your denominations view on what day to worship..or what to eat..or the rapture debate..or even if adam had a belly button. (Ive seen churches coime apart over this..seriously)

5)You also must LOOK like the world...dress like the world..act like the world...set your church up to look like a rock concert hall..and fornicate and divorce and sleep around with all the women in the church..all the while condemning others of the world who do this. In short..you have to be as CLOSE as possible to what the world IS..but EXCUSE all your "Sins" with the "Im not perfect..just forgiven CRAP"

After doing all of this..THEN..you just might..according to THEM..be worthy of heaven.

THEN...if you do what THEY do (FORGET what they SAY..if you DO what THEY do)..you will feel offended by simple truths like this....

I remember reading in there somewhere where Jesus was having trouble with the puffed up pharisees..who JUST like todays modern so called "Christians"..were giving him a hard time over “doctrinal” issues..and he said to them..something like..

The drunkards and the prostitutes and the tax men swindlers will get into the kingdom before you.

From what I can ascertain from it..its the ORDINARY "Sinners" who Jesus was referring to who would be more WORTHY of the kingdom then the pharisitical religious ones of the day.

I suppose its because its better to be an HONEST sinner than a DISHONEST lying saint in the end.

There is no way on earth one can live "as rightous as possible" or keep laws and ordinances or be "GOOD" because it is IMpossible.

Anyways..I thought Jesus was supposed to BE the rightousness of the saints..NOT the saints "TRYING" to be rightous..because its IMpossible to be so AS a human being..

I know..I tried..it just does not work..CANT be done..and trying to BE rightous just turns you even more into an arrogant pride filled self rightous shit who cares ONLY about themselves and their "Works"

Ive read enough of the bible to get the gist of what Jesus was saying..HE was no fool..he knew what he was talking about.

But the pharisees of his day are the same bunch of shitheads we see today...always trying to be "Good" and other assorted CRAPS like that..like that neim777 person..so damn OBSESSED with law and works and crap that he cannot even see his own arrogance and hate.

Id rather just be plain old me..and live my life witout hurting anyone..helping where I can..JUST BECAUSE its the RIGHT thing to do..NOT because ill get a crown or avoid torture if I DONT.

I could care less if I live forever or not..to be honest I am NOT interested in eternity..I could care less about having a crown or a bloody throne to "Judge angels" an crap..who NEEDS it?

From what I can tell from revelation the people WITH crowns spent most of their time throwing them at the feet of God because THEY KNEW they did NOT deserve them and ONLY had them cause HE GAVE them to them..they did not EARN them.


I dont care if I get one or not..I dont even care if God IS real or not..all I know is I have a HEART..always have..and I also know I am full of the same old human condition as anyone else..and I am HONEST about it..I even swear..why?..cause im human..and a "Sinner"...though I dont swear much..I still do it. What of it?

Who is HIGHER than me??..who is LOWER than me?..NO one...we are all THE SAME..human beings..who feel..who bleed..who grieve..who live..who die..who have joy..or sorrow..who create life..or end it..

WE ARE ALL ONE!...so all these self righteous arrogant pricks can go take a flying leap..sick of their CRAP..as I am sure..GOD TOO would be.

Let em keep fooling themselves..

If they cant fool a swearing but honest sinner like ME...they will CERTAINLY not fool GOD!..IF he is real.



WHO condemns me except those stinking pharistical self righteous pricks who pride themselves on telling everyone else how DOOMED they are all the time.
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it's not about religion. it's about coming to the cross, and surrendering. it's not how "good" you are or how much you give you can't buy your way into salvation. it's that moment when you finally give in and ask Christ to save you. After that, when you are on a ono to one basis with God, the other stuff falls into place.

I'm not sure who you are trying to convince. could be yourself hmm?
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I'm not sure who you are trying to convince.
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Most likely the Pharisees running amok here
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Re: A small message to christians of ALL denominations..its time to get REAL or STFU!
Sounds like you've been in a toxic church situation. As for all pastors driving lux cars, mine drives a 1999 Honda Civic with half his bumper missing, he hasn't had a raise ever, and has,in fact,taken pay cuts to stay working in his urban congregation. Makes under $30,000 a year. He IS FAT,so you got that part right,LOL.
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Re: A small message to christians of ALL denominations..its time to get REAL or STFU!
it's not about religion. it's about coming to the cross, and surrendering. it's not how "good" you are or how much you give you can't buy your way into salvation. it's that moment when you finally give in and ask Christ to save you. After that, when you are on a ono to one basis with God, the other stuff falls into place.

I'm not sure who you are trying to convince. could be yourself hmm?
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From what ive seen..those who come to the cross..or stake if you are a JW..end up being the very ones I am talking about. All filled with pride about how "Saved" they are and how "Doomed" everyone else is..

Always going on about laws..or works..or sins..or raptures..always SELF centered.

All that is said and done is done for SELF..to elevate SELF above others..to look DOWN on everyone who does not see things their way.

Then the threats..the blackmail of god torturing everyone who does NOT see things their way..always HELL and DOOM..death..blackmail..all the works of REAL darkness.

Come to the CROSS..yeah..and end up being exactly like the pharistical fucks who inhabit the lower cesspools of GLP.

Id rather die an honest sinner who helps people REGARDLESS of their station or beleif..than an arrogant pride filled self serving egotistical pride filled hypocritical pharistical lying greedy selfish bastard.
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THAT is why they are all stinking lying self decieved arrogant hypocrites..and THAT is why I will never ever set foot inside a church again.



'THEN we will see who REALLY has love.'




All we see day after day from "Christians" is pride..hate for eachother..arrogance..spite..elitism..anger...always looking down on others...


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These are your quotes. Who's the hypocrite ?
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Read it ALL and THINK about it before you comment...have a real good chew on it.


Everything christians say and do is either done in FEAR..of what God will do to them if they dont grovel and bow through threats of eternal sadistic torture..OR..its done selfishly..with their own glory and reward in mind...or its done from BOTH motivations..usually BOTH.

In each case they only and ever LOVE THEMSELVES..either trying to earn a crown..or dodge the torture chamber..

IN BOTH cases..they could not give a flying fuck about people..OR God....only and ever THEMSELVES!

THAT is why they are all stinking lying self decieved arrogant hypocrites..and THAT is why I will never ever set foot inside a church again.

Maybe there will be far more "Sinners" in heaven (IF there is one)than "Christians" simply because they were at least HONEST and not greedy self righteous lying bastards!

It all boils down to THIS simple fact...

If you leave this world and anothers life has NOT been improved or helped while you were here...THAT as far as I am concerned is what God..IF he is real..would take into account. NOT what you beleive or what church you go to.

In the end it all comes down to..

DID you make a difference for GOOD in someones life UNSELFISHLY without any ulterio motives..like trying to win brownie points from God or whatever?

I love people..because they are people..NOT because Im trying to win points with god.

I am not even 100% certain there IS a God at all..but even if I was certain I would NOT change my life to please him..as that would be FALSE..dishonest..like behaving yourself just because someone is looking.

Your TRUE self..if the self you are when NO ONE IS LOOKING!

Take God out of the equation..take hell and threats..rewards of heaven..all that stuff..and see just WHO you really are when you have NOTHING TO GAIN by loving people..

THEN we will see who REALLY has love.

Because...


All we see day after day from "Christians" is pride..hate for eachother..arrogance..spite..elitism..anger...always looking down on others...

Goes like this...

HOW to be a chriatian....

1)First ya have to say a sinners prayer.

2)Then you have to go to church three times a week(At least)..each time giving ten percent of whats in your wallet to the fat dude up the front who drives luxury cars and lives in a mansion.

3)Then you have to learn to hate everyone else thats NOT a fundie or following certain LAWS and such...seeing them as doomed and not worth your trouble to love or help or feed..as ALL your time and money gets dedicated to the fat greedy pastor up the front..and your obsession with keeping laws and days and crap..LOVE is NOT in the equation..just LAWS..do's and don'ts...people NO LONGER matter.

4)After a while you have to learn to HATE all other fundies or denominations with a PASSION and see THEM as wrong and DOOMED as well..if they so much as disagree with your denominations view on what day to worship..or what to eat..or the rapture debate..or even if adam had a belly button. (Ive seen churches coime apart over this..seriously)

5)You also must LOOK like the world...dress like the world..act like the world...set your church up to look like a rock concert hall..and fornicate and divorce and sleep around with all the women in the church..all the while condemning others of the world who do this. In short..you have to be as CLOSE as possible to what the world IS..but EXCUSE all your "Sins" with the "Im not perfect..just forgiven CRAP"

After doing all of this..THEN..you just might..according to THEM..be worthy of heaven.

THEN...if you do what THEY do (FORGET what they SAY..if you DO what THEY do)..you will feel offended by simple truths like this....

I remember reading in there somewhere where Jesus was having trouble with the puffed up pharisees..who JUST like todays modern so called "Christians"..were giving him a hard time over “doctrinal” issues..and he said to them..something like..

The drunkards and the prostitutes and the tax men swindlers will get into the kingdom before you.

From what I can ascertain from it..its the ORDINARY "Sinners" who Jesus was referring to who would be more WORTHY of the kingdom then the pharisitical religious ones of the day.

I suppose its because its better to be an HONEST sinner than a DISHONEST lying saint in the end.

There is no way on earth one can live "as rightous as possible" or keep laws and ordinances or be "GOOD" because it is IMpossible.

Anyways..I thought Jesus was supposed to BE the rightousness of the saints..NOT the saints "TRYING" to be rightous..because its IMpossible to be so AS a human being..

I know..I tried..it just does not work..CANT be done..and trying to BE rightous just turns you even more into an arrogant pride filled self rightous shit who cares ONLY about themselves and their "Works"

Ive read enough of the bible to get the gist of what Jesus was saying..HE was no fool..he knew what he was talking about.

But the pharisees of his day are the same bunch of shitheads we see today...always trying to be "Good" and other assorted CRAPS like that..like that neim777 person..so damn OBSESSED with law and works and crap that he cannot even see his own arrogance and hate.

Id rather just be plain old me..and live my life witout hurting anyone..helping where I can..JUST BECAUSE its the RIGHT thing to do..NOT because ill get a crown or avoid torture if I DONT.

I could care less if I live forever or not..to be honest I am NOT interested in eternity..I could care less about having a crown or a bloody throne to "Judge angels" an crap..who NEEDS it?

From what I can tell from revelation the people WITH crowns spent most of their time throwing them at the feet of God because THEY KNEW they did NOT deserve them and ONLY had them cause HE GAVE them to them..they did not EARN them.


I dont care if I get one or not..I dont even care if God IS real or not..all I know is I have a HEART..always have..and I also know I am full of the same old human condition as anyone else..and I am HONEST about it..I even swear..why?..cause im human..and a "Sinner"...though I dont swear much..I still do it. What of it?

Who is HIGHER than me??..who is LOWER than me?..NO one...we are all THE SAME..human beings..who feel..who bleed..who grieve..who live..who die..who have joy..or sorrow..who create life..or end it..

WE ARE ALL ONE!...so all these self righteous arrogant pricks can go take a flying leap..sick of their CRAP..as I am sure..GOD TOO would be.

Let em keep fooling themselves..

If they cant fool a swearing but honest sinner like ME...they will CERTAINLY not fool GOD!..IF he is real.



WHO condemns me except those stinking pharistical self righteous pricks who pride themselves on telling everyone else how DOOMED they are all the time.
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Wow---it's the doubters that spread false prophets.
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These are your quotes. Who's the hypocrite ?
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If OP's gotten the shit out of his eyes - and I was convinced a long time ago he has - he's completely sanctioned to address those same faulty issues when he sees them in others' behavior.
*Please* tell me you aren't one of those company men who has a bigger beef with someone denouncing rampant hypocrisy than you do with the hypocrisy itself. . .
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Op:

"Ive read enough of the bible to get the gist of what Jesus was saying..HE was no fool..he knew what he was talking about."

Lol, thanks for the theology lesson Op...chuckle I suppose we really have to focus on our own faults and not turn the other cheek to our neighbor's faults. However it is an act of charity and mercy to reprove a sinner, but it's difficult to do....
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Op:

"Ive read enough of the bible to get the gist of what Jesus was saying..HE was no fool..he knew what he was talking about."

Lol, thanks for the theology lesson Op...chuckle I suppose we really have to focus on our own faults and not turn the other cheek to our neighbor's faults. However it is an act of charity and mercy to reprove a sinner, but it's difficult to do....
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Oops, suppose to be to turn the other cheek....
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These are your quotes. Who's the hypocrite ?
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If OP's gotten the shit out of his eyes - and I was convinced a long time ago he has - he's completely sanctioned to address those same faulty issues when he sees them in others' behavior.
*Please* tell me you aren't one of those company men who has a bigger beef with someone denouncing rampant hypocrisy than you do with the hypocrisy itself. . .
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Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
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Read it ALL and THINK about it before you comment...have a real good chew on it.
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hummbird Well whatever, but just remember that in the end you are the one who is responsible for your own soul, and going around blaming other people, regardless of their faults, does not get you off the hook.

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Everything you said is true, but apparently you hold malice in your heart towards the hypocrites.

Plus think about this. What if God wants us to all be one.... but when in fact we are two. On the day of judgement he will separate us according to the fruit we produced. The good will ascend, and the bad will die with the earth.

Don't make it any more complicated then what it needs to be.

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Take the log out of your own eye before you try to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
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These are your quotes. Who's the hypocrite ?
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If OP's gotten the shit out of his eyes - and I was convinced a long time ago he has - he's completely sanctioned to address those same faulty issues when he sees them in others' behavior.
*Please* tell me you aren't one of those company men who has a bigger beef with someone denouncing rampant hypocrisy than you do with the hypocrisy itself. . .
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Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
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Dude, it's not a stone. No one's trying to execute you. OP is perfectly authorized to speak up about masses of walking contradictions who need to stop everything and look at themselves. If none of what he's saying applies to you personally, then wtf is the problem?
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THAT is why they are all stinking lying self decieved arrogant hypocrites..and THAT is why I will never ever set foot inside a church again.



'THEN we will see who REALLY has love.'




All we see day after day from "Christians" is pride..hate for eachother..arrogance..spite..elitism..anger...always looking down on others...


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These are your quotes. Who's the hypocrite ?
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Its judgmental fucks like YOU this rant was ALLLLL about.

Always nitpicking with your selfrighteous BULLSHIT!

And by loving others..I mean in PRACTICAL ways..helping people in need..NO pandying to self righeous bastards like YOU who DONT NEED help...having it all worked out and all..or so you THINK!

So FAST at trying to turn it back on me...guilty concience much?

I could not give a FUCK if you think of me as a hypocrite..I DONT ANSWER to you OR your BULLSHIT!
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Take the log out of your own eye before you try to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
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As a third party familiar with OP's posts over the past year or two, I think I can confirm that this has been addressed.
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These are your quotes. Who's the hypocrite ?
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If OP's gotten the shit out of his eyes - and I was convinced a long time ago he has - he's completely sanctioned to address those same faulty issues when he sees them in others' behavior.
*Please* tell me you aren't one of those company men who has a bigger beef with someone denouncing rampant hypocrisy than you do with the hypocrisy itself. . .
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Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
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Dude, it's not a stone. No one's trying to execute you. OP is perfectly authorized to speak up about masses of walking contradictions who need to stop everything and look at themselves. If none of what he's saying applies to you personally, then wtf is the problem?
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Op should look at himself too. He's not God and he's not judge.
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Op should look at himself too.
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Believe me, he's done that. (Is this thing on?!)
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Op, answer a simple question. You accuse Christians of looking down on others. What about your vulgar insults? Isn't that looking down on others?

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Everything you said is true, but apparently you hold malice in your heart towards the hypocrites.

Plus think about this. What if God wants us to all be one.... but when in fact we are two. On the day of judgement he will separate us according to the fruit we produced. The good will ascend, and the bad will die with the earth.

Don't make it any more complicated then what it needs to be.

Much Love!
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Your 2nd paragraph exemplifies OP's point perfectly and I can't help but also think of that Tool song Right in Two when I read it.
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Thought so. Hyppo Critter.
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Read it ALL and THINK about it before you comment...have a real good chew on it.


Everything christians say and do is either done in FEAR..of what God will do to them if they dont grovel and bow through threats of eternal sadistic torture..OR..its done selfishly..with their own glory and reward in mind...or its done from BOTH motivations..usually BOTH.

In each case they only and ever LOVE THEMSELVES..either trying to earn a crown..or dodge the torture chamber..

IN BOTH cases..they could not give a flying fuck about people..OR God....only and ever THEMSELVES!

THAT is why they are all stinking lying self decieved arrogant hypocrites..and THAT is why I will never ever set foot inside a church again.

Maybe there will be far more "Sinners" in heaven (IF there is one)than "Christians" simply because they were at least HONEST and not greedy self righteous lying bastards!

It all boils down to THIS simple fact...

If you leave this world and anothers life has NOT been improved or helped while you were here...THAT as far as I am concerned is what God..IF he is real..would take into account. NOT what you beleive or what church you go to.

In the end it all comes down to..

DID you make a difference for GOOD in someones life UNSELFISHLY without any ulterio motives..like trying to win brownie points from God or whatever?

I love people..because they are people..NOT because Im trying to win points with god.

I am not even 100% certain there IS a God at all..but even if I was certain I would NOT change my life to please him..as that would be FALSE..dishonest..like behaving yourself just because someone is looking.

Your TRUE self..if the self you are when NO ONE IS LOOKING!

Take God out of the equation..take hell and threats..rewards of heaven..all that stuff..and see just WHO you really are when you have NOTHING TO GAIN by loving people..

THEN we will see who REALLY has love.

Because...


All we see day after day from "Christians" is pride..hate for eachother..arrogance..spite..elitism..anger...always looking down on others...

Goes like this...

HOW to be a chriatian....

1)First ya have to say a sinners prayer.

2)Then you have to go to church three times a week(At least)..each time giving ten percent of whats in your wallet to the fat dude up the front who drives luxury cars and lives in a mansion.

3)Then you have to learn to hate everyone else thats NOT a fundie or following certain LAWS and such...seeing them as doomed and not worth your trouble to love or help or feed..as ALL your time and money gets dedicated to the fat greedy pastor up the front..and your obsession with keeping laws and days and crap..LOVE is NOT in the equation..just LAWS..do's and don'ts...people NO LONGER matter.

4)After a while you have to learn to HATE all other fundies or denominations with a PASSION and see THEM as wrong and DOOMED as well..if they so much as disagree with your denominations view on what day to worship..or what to eat..or the rapture debate..or even if adam had a belly button. (Ive seen churches coime apart over this..seriously)

5)You also must LOOK like the world...dress like the world..act like the world...set your church up to look like a rock concert hall..and fornicate and divorce and sleep around with all the women in the church..all the while condemning others of the world who do this. In short..you have to be as CLOSE as possible to what the world IS..but EXCUSE all your "Sins" with the "Im not perfect..just forgiven CRAP"

After doing all of this..THEN..you just might..according to THEM..be worthy of heaven.

THEN...if you do what THEY do (FORGET what they SAY..if you DO what THEY do)..you will feel offended by simple truths like this....

I remember reading in there somewhere where Jesus was having trouble with the puffed up pharisees..who JUST like todays modern so called "Christians"..were giving him a hard time over “doctrinal” issues..and he said to them..something like..

The drunkards and the prostitutes and the tax men swindlers will get into the kingdom before you.

From what I can ascertain from it..its the ORDINARY "Sinners" who Jesus was referring to who would be more WORTHY of the kingdom then the pharisitical religious ones of the day.

I suppose its because its better to be an HONEST sinner than a DISHONEST lying saint in the end.

There is no way on earth one can live "as rightous as possible" or keep laws and ordinances or be "GOOD" because it is IMpossible.

Anyways..I thought Jesus was supposed to BE the rightousness of the saints..NOT the saints "TRYING" to be rightous..because its IMpossible to be so AS a human being..

I know..I tried..it just does not work..CANT be done..and trying to BE rightous just turns you even more into an arrogant pride filled self rightous shit who cares ONLY about themselves and their "Works"

Ive read enough of the bible to get the gist of what Jesus was saying..HE was no fool..he knew what he was talking about.

But the pharisees of his day are the same bunch of shitheads we see today...always trying to be "Good" and other assorted CRAPS like that..like that neim777 person..so damn OBSESSED with law and works and crap that he cannot even see his own arrogance and hate.

Id rather just be plain old me..and live my life witout hurting anyone..helping where I can..JUST BECAUSE its the RIGHT thing to do..NOT because ill get a crown or avoid torture if I DONT.

I could care less if I live forever or not..to be honest I am NOT interested in eternity..I could care less about having a crown or a bloody throne to "Judge angels" an crap..who NEEDS it?

From what I can tell from revelation the people WITH crowns spent most of their time throwing them at the feet of God because THEY KNEW they did NOT deserve them and ONLY had them cause HE GAVE them to them..they did not EARN them.


I dont care if I get one or not..I dont even care if God IS real or not..all I know is I have a HEART..always have..and I also know I am full of the same old human condition as anyone else..and I am HONEST about it..I even swear..why?..cause im human..and a "Sinner"...though I dont swear much..I still do it. What of it?

Who is HIGHER than me??..who is LOWER than me?..NO one...we are all THE SAME..human beings..who feel..who bleed..who grieve..who live..who die..who have joy..or sorrow..who create life..or end it..

WE ARE ALL ONE!...so all these self righteous arrogant pricks can go take a flying leap..sick of their CRAP..as I am sure..GOD TOO would be.

Let em keep fooling themselves..

If they cant fool a swearing but honest sinner like ME...they will CERTAINLY not fool GOD!..IF he is real.



WHO condemns me except those stinking pharistical self righteous pricks who pride themselves on telling everyone else how DOOMED they are all the time.
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Cheer up, your date with eternal damnation and hell is closer than you think. If you didn't believe it, you would never have bothered to post your anti-Christian rant.
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Cheer up, your date with eternal damnation and hell is closer than you think. If you didn't believe it, you would never have bothered to post your anti-Christian rant.
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Hey, look who it is. . .move over, Petrus!

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Read it ALL and THINK about it before you comment...have a real good chew on it.


Everything christians say and do is either done in FEAR..of what God will do to them if they dont grovel and bow through threats of eternal sadistic torture..OR..its done selfishly..with their own glory and reward in mind...or its done from BOTH motivations..usually BOTH.

In each case they only and ever LOVE THEMSELVES..either trying to earn a crown..or dodge the torture chamber..

IN BOTH cases..they could not give a flying fuck about people..OR God....only and ever THEMSELVES!

THAT is why they are all stinking lying self decieved arrogant hypocrites..and THAT is why I will never ever set foot inside a church again.

Maybe there will be far more "Sinners" in heaven (IF there is one)than "Christians" simply because they were at least HONEST and not greedy self righteous lying bastards!

It all boils down to THIS simple fact...

If you leave this world and anothers life has NOT been improved or helped while you were here...THAT as far as I am concerned is what God..IF he is real..would take into account. NOT what you beleive or what church you go to.

In the end it all comes down to..

DID you make a difference for GOOD in someones life UNSELFISHLY without any ulterio motives..like trying to win brownie points from God or whatever?

I love people..because they are people..NOT because Im trying to win points with god.

I am not even 100% certain there IS a God at all..but even if I was certain I would NOT change my life to please him..as that would be FALSE..dishonest..like behaving yourself just because someone is looking.

Your TRUE self..if the self you are when NO ONE IS LOOKING!

Take God out of the equation..take hell and threats..rewards of heaven..all that stuff..and see just WHO you really are when you have NOTHING TO GAIN by loving people..

THEN we will see who REALLY has love.

Because...


All we see day after day from "Christians" is pride..hate for eachother..arrogance..spite..elitism..anger...always looking down on others...

Goes like this...

HOW to be a chriatian....

1)First ya have to say a sinners prayer.

2)Then you have to go to church three times a week(At least)..each time giving ten percent of whats in your wallet to the fat dude up the front who drives luxury cars and lives in a mansion.

3)Then you have to learn to hate everyone else thats NOT a fundie or following certain LAWS and such...seeing them as doomed and not worth your trouble to love or help or feed..as ALL your time and money gets dedicated to the fat greedy pastor up the front..and your obsession with keeping laws and days and crap..LOVE is NOT in the equation..just LAWS..do's and don'ts...people NO LONGER matter.

4)After a while you have to learn to HATE all other fundies or denominations with a PASSION and see THEM as wrong and DOOMED as well..if they so much as disagree with your denominations view on what day to worship..or what to eat..or the rapture debate..or even if adam had a belly button. (Ive seen churches coime apart over this..seriously)

5)You also must LOOK like the world...dress like the world..act like the world...set your church up to look like a rock concert hall..and fornicate and divorce and sleep around with all the women in the church..all the while condemning others of the world who do this. In short..you have to be as CLOSE as possible to what the world IS..but EXCUSE all your "Sins" with the "Im not perfect..just forgiven CRAP"

After doing all of this..THEN..you just might..according to THEM..be worthy of heaven.

THEN...if you do what THEY do (FORGET what they SAY..if you DO what THEY do)..you will feel offended by simple truths like this....

I remember reading in there somewhere where Jesus was having trouble with the puffed up pharisees..who JUST like todays modern so called "Christians"..were giving him a hard time over “doctrinal” issues..and he said to them..something like..

The drunkards and the prostitutes and the tax men swindlers will get into the kingdom before you.

From what I can ascertain from it..its the ORDINARY "Sinners" who Jesus was referring to who would be more WORTHY of the kingdom then the pharisitical religious ones of the day.

I suppose its because its better to be an HONEST sinner than a DISHONEST lying saint in the end.

There is no way on earth one can live "as rightous as possible" or keep laws and ordinances or be "GOOD" because it is IMpossible.

Anyways..I thought Jesus was supposed to BE the rightousness of the saints..NOT the saints "TRYING" to be rightous..because its IMpossible to be so AS a human being..

I know..I tried..it just does not work..CANT be done..and trying to BE rightous just turns you even more into an arrogant pride filled self rightous shit who cares ONLY about themselves and their "Works"

Ive read enough of the bible to get the gist of what Jesus was saying..HE was no fool..he knew what he was talking about.

But the pharisees of his day are the same bunch of shitheads we see today...always trying to be "Good" and other assorted CRAPS like that..like that neim777 person..so damn OBSESSED with law and works and crap that he cannot even see his own arrogance and hate.

Id rather just be plain old me..and live my life witout hurting anyone..helping where I can..JUST BECAUSE its the RIGHT thing to do..NOT because ill get a crown or avoid torture if I DONT.

I could care less if I live forever or not..to be honest I am NOT interested in eternity..I could care less about having a crown or a bloody throne to "Judge angels" an crap..who NEEDS it?

From what I can tell from revelation the people WITH crowns spent most of their time throwing them at the feet of God because THEY KNEW they did NOT deserve them and ONLY had them cause HE GAVE them to them..they did not EARN them.


I dont care if I get one or not..I dont even care if God IS real or not..all I know is I have a HEART..always have..and I also know I am full of the same old human condition as anyone else..and I am HONEST about it..I even swear..why?..cause im human..and a "Sinner"...though I dont swear much..I still do it. What of it?

Who is HIGHER than me??..who is LOWER than me?..NO one...we are all THE SAME..human beings..who feel..who bleed..who grieve..who live..who die..who have joy..or sorrow..who create life..or end it..

WE ARE ALL ONE!...so all these self righteous arrogant pricks can go take a flying leap..sick of their CRAP..as I am sure..GOD TOO would be.

Let em keep fooling themselves..

If they cant fool a swearing but honest sinner like ME...they will CERTAINLY not fool GOD!..IF he is real.



WHO condemns me except those stinking pharistical self righteous pricks who pride themselves on telling everyone else how DOOMED they are all the time.
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Ahhh yes... the rabid, demonically inspired, accuser of the brethren Aussie... at it again.

Gee... What a surprise.
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Op, answer a simple question. You accuse Christians of looking down on others. What about your vulgar insults? Isn't that looking down on others?
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Can they just STFU?
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Can they just STFU?
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chuckle

Doubtful...

But we could use some growing up.

If we wish to represent Jesus (which is what Christianity strives to do), we should examine our lives against His.

I suspect that is what the OP is suggesting.

I can not argue with the OP.

God Bless.

peace,
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Op, answer a simple question. You accuse Christians of looking down on others. What about your vulgar insults? Isn't that looking down on others?
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No..its calling a spade a spade..I dont look down on hypocrites because I am no better when all is said and done.

BUT..what pisses me off about them is they think they are so much BETTER than anyone else...always nitpicking..always trying to make themselves out to be the special ones..the CHOSEn ones..the NON DOOMED ones..and everything they DO and SAY is motivated BY this beleif about themselves.

They think the sun shines out of their bum SO MUCH..that they can bandy their threats of doom and hell around to all who dont act..do..or beleive as they do.

I too have been a hypocrite..I TOO sin ALLLL the damn time..BUT..I make no fuckinmg holier than thou PRENTENSES about it. I am what I am..and even if I followed God..I would NOT change because like I said..to FORCE yourself to change AGAINST what is in your very nature to do IWS hypocrisy..because while on the outside you are all nice..looking good..INSIDE..you swaer..you hate..you WANT to talk like I am..but DONT allow yourselves to BE honest about how you feel or what you REALLY WOULD LIKE to say..because..its..SINFUL!

Well.welcome to the human condition.

I see it here all the damn time..always trying to "CHANGE" yourselves..or others..when inside you are just as FULL OF SHIT as the NEXT person..but REFUSE to admit it..or bring it out into the open because you have an "IMAGE" to project.

IT DOES NOT WORK..the image is FALSE and anyone can see it..especially when push comes to shove and all the replis..the nitpicking judgmental..threats of hell and doom and what not..come pouring from the mouths of those who are SUPPOSED to LOVE..but deep down..BY their words..YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY their HATE for anyone who dares to BE HONEST..so they CONDEMN THEM!

Like has happenned to me here..I stand sentenced to HELL..for the simple fact that I told the TRUTH..both about myself..and the lying two faced creeps that call themselves "Christians".

Your image is NOT WORKING christians..the world SEES THROUGH your BULLSHIT!

Isnt it time you stopped PLAYING christian..and actually BECAME one..you know..LIKE CHRIST??..isnt THAT the ideal?

But you lot keep playing your hypocritical one upmanship games..it seems to fill your void..or so you think.
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In each case they only and ever LOVE THEMSELVES..either trying to earn a crown..or dodge the torture chamber..

IN BOTH cases..they could not give a flying fuck about people..OR God....only and ever THEMSELVES! OP


I did not read the whole thing, but the above stood out and has some truth, a lot of truth to it. Many very ego bound. By that I mean they have not found the higher god mind within. Many of these are young souls, not good thinkers yet, but if the churches served God and taught truth these younger souls would function better.

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