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BRIAN: Did we ever get the -- I'm trying to think of what the best term is, the -- everything everything (inaudible) scenario back from -- I thought that was one we were going to ask NARAC to run once they had time.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Are you talking about the doses they saw all the way out in California?

BRIAN: Yes.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Yeah. That is going to be run by Research in Sandia, but they are not going to be able to do it until later today.

BRIAN: Oh, okay.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Sounds like they had to modify the code first in order to do that run.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Had to modify the MAC code. They -- NARAC did do their evaluation of -- using our source term, and they -- they were calculating doses, particularly for children -- thyroid doses of (inaudible) after -- that the one- year dose, assuming some very conservative assumptions about ingestion, and (inaudible) practices. So we had the group -- the PMT look at some of the actual data from deposits from Chernobyl, which we had from DITTRA.

BRIAN: Right.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Historical data. And convert those to doses using the same update techniques. And they have some calculations -- they hadn't shown them to be (inaudible), but they are showing millirem range doses, like one to 10 millirem.

MALE PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible.)

MALE PARTICIPANT: For the actual deposits. So we think there is some extreme conservatism in the DITTRA numbers, and we will know more once Research does their (inaudible).

BRIAN: Okay.

[...]

MR. LEWIS: Okay. Good morning. I will cover four things that occupied most of the protective measures team time last night. First, there was a flight by NARAC last night [...] We also are working -- there was a request coming from last night -- before last evening's shift to develop projections for doses in California. And that is -- has been in process. We will need to -- in order to do that, we will need to engage with -- we already have engaged with the Office of Research. We are looking to engage further with Sandia to make some modifications to the (inaudible) to effectuate those dose estimates in California. In conjunction with that, there was a DITTRA and NARAC dose estimate that was done for California that we obtained as part of the DOE briefing package. And those were estimating what we believe to be very high doses to children, and a thyroid (inaudible) dosage. We think that (inaudible) extremely conservative modeling related to those doses and assumptions. It's a thyroid dose that involves deposition of material and (inaudible) integrated the dose over a year or two, for example, drinking milk from the same cow that's grazing on the same contaminated field the entire time, things like that. But once we get the (inaudible), we will have something to compare (inaudible). Also, when we saw those dose estimates, we looked in the historical record for any kind of information related to Chernobyl actual deposits that were measured. We did find some and (inaudible) dose activity per area of deposits that were estimated -- I think they were provided from DITTRA. We did the same dose calculations with those concentrations, and the doses were approximately 1,000 times lower. So we were in the one to 10 millirem range versus full rem range, which was -- full rem thyroid dose range, which was being (inaudible) by DOE and DOE (inaudible). [...]

MIKE: Rob, this is (inaudible). I have a question for you. This request for doses in California projected with, I guess, worst-case assumptions, is that correct? (Inaudible.)

MR. LEWIS: I believe the doses that we saw from DITTRA represented a source term of 100 percent of the (inaudible).

MIKE: Okay. And where -- is this information being considered for releasing publicly, like we do with the press release?

MR. LEWIS: Which information are you speaking about?

MIKE: I'm talking about these projected dose models, the models that you -- the ones that you are doing and coordinating with other agencies, is there some thought about releasing that publicly?

MR. LEWIS: We have not had that discussion at this time.

MIKE: And don't take that as a suggestion to (inaudible). I'm just curious as to how we came upon doing that with our press release, and then, are we advocating that for any future press releases here for doses in the U.S.?

MR. DORMAN: Mike, this is Dan. No. No, we're not planning any press release with this information. This was a projection that we were requested to run. Separate from our being requested to run that, we got this DOE briefing package that had this other DITTRA run in it, and we're not -- I don't know what prompted theirs or all of the assumptions that went into theirs, but it obviously caught our attention and we are looking to get what we think would be more realistic projections. Other questions?

MS. HOWE: Dan, just one comment, and Rob. This is Linda Howe in Region IV. Rob, I can talk with you offline about some background information for California. The DITTRA and DOE runs for California may have been prompted by queries from the state, because the state has been conducting interagency conference calls, and DOE, EPA, HHS, has been part of those calls. Our regional state liaison officer is also monitoring that, but there is some background that is politically sensitive that I can share with you offline.

MR. DORMAN: Okay. Thanks, Linda. That's good.

[...]

MR. HICKSMAN: This is Tom Hicksman. Could you please repeat the DITTRA projection and our calculation for the thyroid dose rates in California, please?

MR. LEWIS: Well, our calculations are not done.

MR. HICKSMAN: But you thought that they might be 1,000 times less, or that they are --

MR. LEWIS: Yeah. The DITTRA result was four rem [40,000 microsieverts] to the thyroid of a one year-old child based on one year integration of uptake. They --

MR. HICKSMAN: I think it --

MR. LEWIS: What we did during the past shift was looked at the actual deposition rates in California from the Chernobyl accident in 1986 and extrapolated that out and came up with a comparable dose rate on the order of one to 10 millirem. So that kind of reinforced our disbelief of the DITTRA number when we saw it. But then, separately, Research is working with Sandia to do a separate run.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Just for clarity, we want to attribute the calculation for NARAC. Okay. It's not (inaudible), it's NARAC -- the calculation.

MR. DORMAN: Any other questions?

MALE PARTICIPANT: And also, to clarify, we don't have a run of it. We just have the output --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right.

MALE PARTICIPANT: -- that suggests the thyroid doses.

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All of Western US and most of East Coast, Midwest, Canada covered with airborne particles at various altitudes on March 20, Fukushima plume model shows — Based solely on Reactor No. 1 explosion (PHOTO)

In addition to 131I and 137Cs, traces of other radionuclides were detected in the aerosol filters as well.

Their concentrations in the most active sample collected on 3-4 April 2011 14:00e06:50 UTC were:

132I e 0.12 +/- 0.01 mBq/m3
132Te e 0.13 +/- 0.01 mBq/m3
129Te e 0.40 +/- 0.04 mBq/m3
129mTe e0.75 +/- 0.25 mBq/m3
136Cs e 0.080 +/- 0.0080mBq/m3
[...]

Large collected air volumes allowed us to determine for the first time in Europe the activity ratio and concentration of Fukushima derived 238Pu and 239,240Pu isotopes. Approximately twice higher Pu activity concentration as expected, and 238Pu/239,240Pu ratio not typical either for global fallout or the Chernobyl accident was found in the integrated aerosol sample.

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controversy that sadly will go unnoticed
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controversy that sadly will go unnoticed
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Sadly true.
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How long before an increase in thyroid cancer shows up from this?
I'm sure 'they' will just explain it away with something stupid like "there are more people living now so of course there's going to be an increase in ALL diseases".
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chuckle Fukushima burnout maybe.
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Thank you to poster Matilda on enenews.

the dose limit in microSieverts per year is 10 microSievert per year yes, you've read well....and as we are speaking of Iodine 131 the limit of the 10 microSievert/year is very easily achieved as follows: for an adult with 455 Bq of I-131 for a 10 year old child with 192 Bq of I-131 and Bqfor a 2 year old child with 55Bq of I-131 please note that girls are more succeptible than boys

the situation is very, very grave.....without even considering all those hot fuel flees that have set up camp in childrens lungs, bloodstream and other organs....they've turned the N.Hemispere into a giant gas-death-chamber

and as it is hard for people to understand in practical terms i'll give an example. lets say your young child is drinking milk as Sky775 above metnioned that has a contamination of 1Bq/liter of 1Bq/kilogramm , than the maximum permissable yearly dose will be achieved within 2-3 weeks. for an adult the consamption of 10Bq/lit or kg will have the same effect.

to convert a dietery intake in Bq into a dose of microSievert you only have to multiply the amount in Bq X 0.11= and you get the dose in microSievert

and as the states use picocouries per litre you can converd those into Bq by multiplying them with 0.037 amount in pci x 0.037 = amount in Bq

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chuckle Fukushima burnout maybe.
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It is a problem for people to stay focused on slow-moving doom. It's like a stinky room. If you stay in it long enough you don't notice the smell.

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I went swimming in the waters of Hawaii a week ago and noticed my skin glowing afterwards.. Kind of like superheroes in movies. Also been to the cold air of Alaska so when can I go get tested?

I knew this was going to happen. But what can we do? Not a damn thing.
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Those who were "testing the aerosols collected in filters" had a grasp on how to correctly judge the effects of radioactive material as a fine dust (as opposed to simple environmental radiation measured on a Geiger counter.)

Citizens might do similar unscientific tests by measuring the difference in radiation levels between air filters and ambient readings.

It is a crime that the reactors are still open wounds to the sky, not causing damage by releasing radiation, but rather by releasing radioactive particles, which are the real problem. Capping the open wounds with boron and concrete would at least filter most airborne radioactive materials, which continue to boil through ruptured containment vessels into the air.

What purpose does it serve keeping those reactors open? The government and those in control are acting like idiots keeping those festering wounds open and not entombed. Does it help to "jab it with a stick"? or "just keep an eye on it" for the next 20,000 years?

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Those who were "testing the aerosols collected in filters" had a grasp on how to correctly judge the effects of radioactive material as a fine dust (as opposed to simple environmental radiation measured on a Geiger counter.)

Citizens might do similar unscientific tests by measuring the difference in radiation levels between air filters and ambient readings.

It is a crime that the reactors are still open wounds to the sky, not causing damage by releasing radiation, but rather by releasing radioactive particles, which are the real problem. Capping the open wounds with boron and concrete would at least filter most airborne radioactive materials, which continue to boil through ruptured containment vessels into the air.

What purpose does it serve keeping those reactors open? The government and those in control are acting like idiots keeping those festering wounds open and not entombed. Does it help to "jab it with a stick"? or "just keep an eye on it" for the next 20,000 years?
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US evacuation out at least 150-200 miles, past Tokyo? Concerned NRC Staff: “Why are we being so rigid in terms of doing the right thing?” — Radiation exposure “just one of many considerations”

MALE PARTICIPANT: Are we (inaudible) to give recommendations to the Ambassador. Because we got into this at the beginning, like (inaudible) advising the Ambassador.

MIKE CASE: Yes.

MALE PARTICIPANT: So, (inaudible) only go out to 50 miles.

FEMALE PARTICIPANT: But the request we had yesterday at 6:54 a.m., which we're still waiting on, has to go out past Tokyo, go out at least 150-200 miles.

MIKE CASE: Okay.

FEMALE PARTICIPANT: Well, we should be able to get that information --

MALE PARTICIPANT: At least the first estimate. [...]

MALE PARTICIPANT: I have Tom Roberts here with me, and I guess we're hearing that Admiral Donald wanted to talk to the Chairman to get some clarification.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. And so, are you plugged into that, to advise on whether it makes sense radiologically to --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes. No, I think it's more than radiological issues --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Uh-hum.

MALE PARTICIPANT: -- that the Ambassador has under consideration right now. You know, our position is that it is

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. This is --

MALE PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible) --

MALE PARTICIPANT: This is not some we've calculated or we've recommended. We're responding to the Ambassador's request at this point.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay. Let me ask the question, isn't there an ALARA consideration here at some level? We calculate that if, in fact, the asumptions [sic] made relative to your 50-mile PEG calculation come to pass, that you would get like 1 to rem total effective dose equivalent out to 150 to miles. And wouldn't it make sense, if we're talking now voluntary departure, wouldn't it make sense to recommend voluntary departure in the name of avoiding that level of population dose?

MALE PARTICIPANT: Do you want my personal opinion?

MALE PARTICIPANT: Sure.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right.

MALE PARTICIPANT: That's my own personal view. And radiation is just one factor.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. So, but what we are charged with advising on radiation or you are charged with advising --

MALE PARTICIPANT: And that's in our protective action to up to 50 miles.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, but why are we being so rigid in terms of doing the right thing? The right thing is an ALARA thing here, in addition to strict interpretation of PEG.

MALE PARTICIPANT: If you went to a (inaudible, possible "law") --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes.

MALE PARTICIPANT: -- I suppose, I suppose you could get there.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes, so the question is, how much should the law play into --

FEMALE PARTICIPANT: Yes.

MALE PARTICIPANT: And the scope of that, as you understood it from him, was --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. Now, if we were asked to advise strictly on radiological grounds, you would or would not take into consideration ALARA?

MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes, I would, but I keep coming back to I think that, if you're out beyond the 50-mile zone, there are other factors --

MALE PARTICIPANT: That take in --

MALE PARTICIPANT: -- that bear on this decision..

MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay.

VONNA ORDAZ: And other countries have recognized that as well in releases.

MALE PARTICIPANT: In the press releases -- thanks. Vonna Ordaz is here with me, and she is saying in the press releases other countries are acknowledging that the radioactive dose is just one of many considerations.

VONNA ORDAZ: Structural (inaudible) --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right.

VONNA ORDAZ: -- transportation, communications, and other --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, yes.
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US evacuation out at least 150-200 miles, past Tokyo? Concerned NRC Staff: “Why are we being so rigid in terms of doing the right thing?” — Radiation exposure “just one of many considerations”

MALE PARTICIPANT: Are we (inaudible) to give recommendations to the Ambassador. Because we got into this at the beginning, like (inaudible) advising the Ambassador.

MIKE CASE: Yes.

MALE PARTICIPANT: So, (inaudible) only go out to 50 miles.

FEMALE PARTICIPANT: But the request we had yesterday at 6:54 a.m., which we're still waiting on, has to go out past Tokyo, go out at least 150-200 miles.

MIKE CASE: Okay.

FEMALE PARTICIPANT: Well, we should be able to get that information --

MALE PARTICIPANT: At least the first estimate. [...]

MALE PARTICIPANT: I have Tom Roberts here with me, and I guess we're hearing that Admiral Donald wanted to talk to the Chairman to get some clarification.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. And so, are you plugged into that, to advise on whether it makes sense radiologically to --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes. No, I think it's more than radiological issues --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Uh-hum.

MALE PARTICIPANT: -- that the Ambassador has under consideration right now. You know, our position is that it is

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. This is --

MALE PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible) --

MALE PARTICIPANT: This is not some we've calculated or we've recommended. We're responding to the Ambassador's request at this point.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay. Let me ask the question, isn't there an ALARA consideration here at some level? We calculate that if, in fact, the asumptions [sic] made relative to your 50-mile PEG calculation come to pass, that you would get like 1 to rem total effective dose equivalent out to 150 to miles. And wouldn't it make sense, if we're talking now voluntary departure, wouldn't it make sense to recommend voluntary departure in the name of avoiding that level of population dose?

MALE PARTICIPANT: Do you want my personal opinion?

MALE PARTICIPANT: Sure.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right.

MALE PARTICIPANT: That's my own personal view. And radiation is just one factor.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. So, but what we are charged with advising on radiation or you are charged with advising --

MALE PARTICIPANT: And that's in our protective action to up to 50 miles.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, but why are we being so rigid in terms of doing the right thing? The right thing is an ALARA thing here, in addition to strict interpretation of PEG.

MALE PARTICIPANT: If you went to a (inaudible, possible "law") --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes.

MALE PARTICIPANT: -- I suppose, I suppose you could get there.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes, so the question is, how much should the law play into --

FEMALE PARTICIPANT: Yes.

MALE PARTICIPANT: And the scope of that, as you understood it from him, was --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. Now, if we were asked to advise strictly on radiological grounds, you would or would not take into consideration ALARA?

MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes, I would, but I keep coming back to I think that, if you're out beyond the 50-mile zone, there are other factors --

MALE PARTICIPANT: That take in --

MALE PARTICIPANT: -- that bear on this decision..

MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay.

VONNA ORDAZ: And other countries have recognized that as well in releases.

MALE PARTICIPANT: In the press releases -- thanks. Vonna Ordaz is here with me, and she is saying in the press releases other countries are acknowledging that the radioactive dose is just one of many considerations.

VONNA ORDAZ: Structural (inaudible) --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right.

VONNA ORDAZ: -- transportation, communications, and other --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, yes.
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I can't figure all the --'s here :(

Would anyone care to fill me in ?
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The Word you need to look for is:
"Estimate", please have a look
what this Word mean!

The NSA didn't know what was going on in
F'Shima so they used the most bad Simulations!

Please check the Facts!
G.Y.!B.E.
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The Word you need to look for is:
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The NSA didn't know what was going on in
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VONNA ORDAZ: Structural (inaudible) --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right.

VONNA ORDAZ: -- transportation, communications, and other --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, yes.

Becomes:

VONNA ORDAZ: Structural (inaudible) estimate

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right.

VONNA ORDAZ: estimate transportation, communications, and other estimate

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, yes.

WTF?
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Getting those toxic and radioactive elements out of the soil is crucial to restoring the ecosystem after a nuclear disaster. A technique called “phytoremediation” uses certain plants to leech these elements from the soil… guess which one is one of the best at that task? Good old industrial hemp, cannabis’ non-drug cousin that our government bans because our police are too uneducated to tell the difference.
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US evacuation out at least 150-200 miles, past Tokyo? Concerned NRC Staff: “Why are we being so rigid in terms of doing the right thing?” — Radiation exposure “just one of many considerations”

MALE PARTICIPANT: Are we (inaudible) to give recommendations to the Ambassador. Because we got into this at the beginning, like (inaudible) advising the Ambassador.

MIKE CASE: Yes.

MALE PARTICIPANT: So, (inaudible) only go out to 50 miles.

FEMALE PARTICIPANT: But the request we had yesterday at 6:54 a.m., which we're still waiting on, has to go out past Tokyo, go out at least 150-200 miles.

MIKE CASE: Okay.

FEMALE PARTICIPANT: Well, we should be able to get that information --

MALE PARTICIPANT: At least the first estimate. [...]

MALE PARTICIPANT: I have Tom Roberts here with me, and I guess we're hearing that Admiral Donald wanted to talk to the Chairman to get some clarification.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. And so, are you plugged into that, to advise on whether it makes sense radiologically to --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes. No, I think it's more than radiological issues --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Uh-hum.

MALE PARTICIPANT: -- that the Ambassador has under consideration right now. You know, our position is that it is

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. This is --

MALE PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible) --

MALE PARTICIPANT: This is not some we've calculated or we've recommended. We're responding to the Ambassador's request at this point.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay. Let me ask the question, isn't there an ALARA consideration here at some level? We calculate that if, in fact, the asumptions [sic] made relative to your 50-mile PEG calculation come to pass, that you would get like 1 to rem total effective dose equivalent out to 150 to miles. And wouldn't it make sense, if we're talking now voluntary departure, wouldn't it make sense to recommend voluntary departure in the name of avoiding that level of population dose?

MALE PARTICIPANT: Do you want my personal opinion?

MALE PARTICIPANT: Sure.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right.

MALE PARTICIPANT: That's my own personal view. And radiation is just one factor.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. So, but what we are charged with advising on radiation or you are charged with advising --

MALE PARTICIPANT: And that's in our protective action to up to 50 miles.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, but why are we being so rigid in terms of doing the right thing? The right thing is an ALARA thing here, in addition to strict interpretation of PEG.

MALE PARTICIPANT: If you went to a (inaudible, possible "law") --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes.

MALE PARTICIPANT: -- I suppose, I suppose you could get there.

MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes, so the question is, how much should the law play into --

FEMALE PARTICIPANT: Yes.

MALE PARTICIPANT: And the scope of that, as you understood it from him, was --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right. Now, if we were asked to advise strictly on radiological grounds, you would or would not take into consideration ALARA?

MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes, I would, but I keep coming back to I think that, if you're out beyond the 50-mile zone, there are other factors --

MALE PARTICIPANT: That take in --

MALE PARTICIPANT: -- that bear on this decision..

MALE PARTICIPANT: Okay.

VONNA ORDAZ: And other countries have recognized that as well in releases.

MALE PARTICIPANT: In the press releases -- thanks. Vonna Ordaz is here with me, and she is saying in the press releases other countries are acknowledging that the radioactive dose is just one of many considerations.

VONNA ORDAZ: Structural (inaudible) --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right.

VONNA ORDAZ: -- transportation, communications, and other --

MALE PARTICIPANT: Right, yes.
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I can't figure all the --'s here :(

Would anyone care to fill me in ?
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Inaudible or finishing each others sentences. It's transcribed from audio. Go to the links and read the comments. Hope that helps.
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Is that why the pharmacies pulled all the Iodine tablets off the shelves as soon as Fukushima happened and made it unavailable to the public?

It's still unavailable and I wonder why?
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Is that why the pharmacies pulled all the Iodine tablets off the shelves as soon as Fukushima happened and made it unavailable to the public?

It's still unavailable and I wonder why?
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Because in the Medicine we know that Iodine is not harmless
and for older People it make no sense to use it,
only Chidren can benefit but there is a chance for a Shock Reaction!

To use Iodine above the Age of ca. 25 is futile, dangerous and stupid,
to give Iodine to Children is not 100% safe and the Intake should
be Supervised by medical Staff, like a Nurse or Doc!

Many People use/d Iodine daily since 03/11,
this created a lot of problems!
G.Y.!B.E.
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Arnie Gundersen began taking Iodine tablets after the accident.
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Arnie Gundersen began taking Iodine tablets after the accident.
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Is there a Source for this Statement?

I was thinking to eat the Iodine Pills too
(We got them from our Embassy)
but i decided against it because i could give
the Pills to the young Kids of our Friends,
instead me i could protect 5 from Cesium!
G.Y.!B.E.
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Arnie Gundersen began taking Iodine tablets after the accident.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12169368


Is there a Source for this Statement?

I was thinking to eat the Iodine Pills too
(We got them from our Embassy)
but i decided against it because i could give
the Pills to the young Kids of our Friends,
instead me i could protect 5 from Cesium!
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It was in one of his first Helen Caldicott interviews after Fukushima if I remember right.

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