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The truth about ABIOTIC OIL (Multiple Credible Links)

 
FraudulentZodiac
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The truth about ABIOTIC OIL (Multiple Credible Links)
I have heard many interviews and people talk about the possibility of oil being abiotic. Turns out that it is most likely true. I did a little digging and found this Cornell University Library article from 1996.

The Non-Organic Theory of the Genesis of Petroleum
Samar Abbas

(Submitted on 15 Oct 1996)

Recent advances in interdisciplinary fields as diverse as astrophysics, cosmogeophysics, nuclear geology, etc. have led to interesting developments in the non-organic theory of the genesis of petroleum. This theory, which holds that petroleum is of an abiogenic primordial origin, provides an explanation for certain features of petroleum geology that are hard to explain within the standard organic framework. If the non-organic theory is correct, then hydrocarbon reserves would be enormous and almost inexhaustable.
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[link to arxiv.org]

I know the oil shills are going to be out hard on this one but dont let them fool you. Do your own research.

Updates

So far I have these:
[link to www.osti.gov]
[link to trilogymedia.com.au]
[link to www.pnas.org]
[link to www.nature.com]

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It's not a "Cornell University article". It's an arXiv article. The arXiv is hosted by Cornell University, but it serves as an archive for draft articles. As a result, it will accept almost anything that is not outright insane.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to rationalwiki.org]

The article you have linked to hasn't been published in a peer-reviewed journal, so, no, no mainstream authority behind this one.
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This study also backs this up:

[link to www.nature.com]

Methane-derived hydrocarbons produced under upper-mantle conditions

Anton Kolesnikov1,2, Vladimir G. Kutcherov2,3 & Alexander F. Goncharov1

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There is widespread evidence that petroleum originates from biological processes1, 2, 3. Whether hydrocarbons can also be produced from abiogenic precursor molecules under the high-pressure, high-temperature conditions characteristic of the upper mantle remains an open question. It has been proposed that hydrocarbons generated in the upper mantle could be transported through deep faults to shallower regions in the Earth's crust, and contribute to petroleum reserves4, 5. Here we use in situ Raman spectroscopy in laser-heated diamond anvil cells to monitor the chemical reactivity of methane and ethane under upper-mantle conditions. We show that when methane is exposed to pressures higher than 2 GPa, and to temperatures in the range of 1,000–1,500 K, it partially reacts to form saturated hydrocarbons containing 2–4 carbons (ethane, propane and butane) and molecular hydrogen and graphite. Conversely, exposure of ethane to similar conditions results in the production of methane, suggesting that the synthesis of saturated hydrocarbons is reversible. Our results support the suggestion that hydrocarbons heavier than methane can be produced by abiogenic processes in the upper mantle.
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It's not a "Cornell University article". It's an arXiv article. The arXiv is hosted by Cornell University, but it serves as an archive for draft articles. As a result, it will accept almost anything that is not outright insane.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to rationalwiki.org]

The article you have linked to hasn't been published in a peer-reviewed journal, so, no, no mainstream authority behind this one.
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norespect

Oh sorry forgot to put Cornell University "Library"

Im sure this guy is just pissing his thesis into the wind right?

Know how I know you are a shill? You didnt read the article and you attacked the website I posted, not the argument.

fuckoff2
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It's not a "Cornell University article". It's an arXiv article. The arXiv is hosted by Cornell University, but it serves as an archive for draft articles. As a result, it will accept almost anything that is not outright insane.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to rationalwiki.org]

The article you have linked to hasn't been published in a peer-reviewed journal, so, no, no mainstream authority behind this one.
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Allow me to blow your mind some more...

Here is another article I found searching Google Scholar: [link to www.pnas.org]

Im pretty sure the National Academy of Science in the United States is a pretty "mainstream authority". Dont worry I have more coming.
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One of the biggest conspiracies is that oil is from fossils and that we'll run out one day.

Imagine that it is a resource that would appear to be as abundant as water... How much could you really charge for something like that? Not that much.
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All of those articles are old and have been debunked.

Anyone with any understanding of geology knows that the abiotic oil theory is wrong.
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All of those articles are old and have been debunked.

Anyone with any understanding of geology knows that the abiotic oil theory is wrong.
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s226

Whatever bro, show me some evidence. Let me guess... you work for Shell right?
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All of those articles are old and have been debunked.

Anyone with any understanding of geology knows that the abiotic oil theory is wrong.
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Are you sure? Really?
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All of those articles are old and have been debunked.

Anyone with any understanding of geology knows that the abiotic oil theory is wrong.
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Well if I had to put some money on it I would bet that the United States Geologic Survey knows a thing or two about geology.

The Origin of Methane (and Oil) in the Crust of the Earth

Thomas Gold

U.S.G.S. Professional Paper 1570, The Future of Energy Gases, 1993

Abstract

The deposits of hydrocarbons in the crust of the Earth have long been regarded by many investigators as deriving from materials incorporated in the mantle at the time of the Earth's formation. Outgassing processes, active in all geological epochs, then transported the liquids and gases liberated there into porous rocks of the crust. The alternative viewpoint, that biological debris was the source material for all crustal hydrocarbons, gained widespread acceptance when molecules of clearly biological origin were found to be present in most commercial crude oils.

Modern information re-directs attention to the theories of a non-biological, primeval origin. Among this information is the prominence of hydrocarbons—gases, liquids and solids—on many other bodies of the solar system, as well as in interstellar space. Advances in high-pressure thermodynamics have shown that the pressure-temperature regime of the Earth would allow hydrocarbon molecules to be formed and to survive between the surface and a depth of 100 to 300 km. Outgassing from such depth would bring up other gases present in trace amounts in the rocks, thus accounting for the well known association of hydrocarbons with helium. Recent discoveries of the widespread presence of bacterial life at depth point to this as the origin of the biological content of petroleum. The carbon budget of the crust requires an outgassing process to have been active throughout the geologic record, and information from planets and meteorites, as well as from mantle samples, would suggest that methane rather than CO2 could be the major souce of surface carbon. Isotopic fractionation of methane in its migration through rocks is indicated by numerous observations, providing an alternative to biological processes that have been held responsible for such fractionation. Information from deep boreholes in granitic and volcanic rock of Sweden has given support to the theory of the migration of gas and oil from depth, to the occurrence of isotopic fractionation in migration, to an association with helium, and to the presence of microbiology below 4 km depth.
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[link to trilogymedia.com.au]
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The fact that methane has been discovered on moons and planets that are NOT decaying life form generated (just in the last few years fwiw) has sent a "SHOCK WAVE" through the scientific establishment.

Those discoveries have proven beyond a doubt that carbon chain "fuels" do NOT need decaying plant life in order to be created.

Suddenly with that non-decaying life form methane discovery the entire set of theories that oppose Abiotic Oil theories need to be thoroughly reexamined. Extremely "deep oil" has for years intrigued the oil companies (oil that "may" be Abiotic Oil) and in fact a few years back Exxon (I believe) drilled a super deep well at a cost of several hundred million dollars in West Virginia USA at a likely location for super deep oil. While they came up with some oil it was not enough, per the open literature available, to be economically producable.

"IF" Abiotic Oil is real eventually a super deep well may hit a pool of it. How will we know it is really Abiotic Oil? We will know because it won't have any plant or animal DNA strands remains in it. If that happens look for a major oil boom the likes of which the world has only epxerienced a couple of times in it's history: the original super oil boom, which actually was in western Ohio (what made John Rockefeller so rich), and then the Middle Eastern boom when those mega-fields were discovered.

For now Abiotic Oil is just a theory, but suddenly with the discovery that methane occures on non life suppporting planets/moons, it is not as far fetched a theory as it was only 20 years ago.
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I think the Department of Energy will fill a sheeple's credential meter too:

[link to www.osti.gov]

Abiogenic hydrocarbons and mantle helium in oil and gas fields

Description/Abstract

Most carbon degassed from Earth's interior is released as volcanic and hydrothermal carbon dioxide along oceanic spreading ridges and as volcanic and geothermal carbon dioxide in continental regions. The chemistry of the earth's interior is poorly understood, however, and methane, rather than carbon dioxide, may be the dominant form of carbon throughout much of the mantle. According to one hypothesis, methane from the mantle is continuously injected into the deep crust at lithospheric plate boundaries, ancient suture zones, and other areas of crustal weakness such as large meteorite impact sites. Where introduced beneath sedimentary basins this methane could accumulate in the conventional structural and stratigraphic traps in which we find petroleum. Geochemical evidence strongly argues that crude oil is of sedimentary (biogenic) origin, but the origins of natural gas are more complex and the proportion that may be derived from mantle (that is, abiogenic) sources is unknown. Using a geometric mean of 3x10[sup 6] for the molar CH[sub 4]/[sup 3]He ratio in uncontaminated, mantle-derived fluids from spreading ridges, mantle plumes and summit fumaroles of arc volcanoes, the median abiogenic methane content of commercial gases is estimated to be less than 200 ppm by volume (range=0 to 12,000 ppm). While admittedly a rough estimate, this calculation suggests that little confidence should be placed in the resource potential of abiogenic natural gas. In rift or convergent margin basins, hot magmatic fluids can strip methane and other volatiles from metamorphic basement and overlying sedimentary rocks, however, and commercial accumulations of this type of gas may be present. The economic value of such reserves could be impaired by dilution with carbon dioxide and possibly nitrogen. 171 refs., 13 figs., 2 tabs.
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wtf is with all the AC's commenting. Dont any of you members find this interesting?
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Cornell university discriminates against the mentally ill?


Gasoline on Uranus?


Film at 11 Km?
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Abiotic Oil = wet dream of Oil industry shills

Peak oil is here to stay. Undeniable.
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Abiotic Oil = wet dream of Oil industry shills

Peak oil is here to stay. Undeniable.
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You are a fucking idiot. I just showed you that it is abiogenic.

Know how I know you are a shill? The oil industry would HATE for the truth of abiotic oil to get out. Peak Oil is pure shillery

Last Edited by FraudulentZodiac on 03/07/2012 06:19 PM
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This is one of the most interesting things I've read here in GLP. It makes a lot of sense. Thanks OP.

If true we should be able to extract huge amounts of oil as we go deeper. The question then becomes should we. Release that much carbon into the atmosphere might not be a great idea.
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This is one of the most interesting things I've read here in GLP. It makes a lot of sense. Thanks OP.

If true we should be able to extract huge amounts of oil as we go deeper. The question then becomes should we. Release that much carbon into the atmosphere might not be a great idea.

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If you mean because it will cause "global warming" then worry not. Anthropogenic global warming is a myth. The sun is what is causing the climate to change.
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Abiotic Oil = wet dream of Oil industry shills

Peak oil is here to stay. Undeniable.
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CORRECT
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The Soviets have been teaching the abiotic theory of oil for 50 years.

It's very intriguing.
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Mind if I ask a question OP?

Do you believe in the theory of evolution?
Peak Oil, Peak Civilization, Peak EVERYTHING
People who don't believe in peak oil fall into 3 categories:
Uninformed.
In denial.
Too stupid to understand it.
Which one are you?
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Mind if I ask a question OP?

Do you believe in the theory of evolution?
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Not in the way that we have been taught.

Do I believe that we evolved from apes? HELL NO!


You should read up on the articles I have posted. You are obviously uninformed. The simple fact that you would put peak oil in your sig is quite laughable.

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All living things produce their own oil. Why shouldn't the Earth? I think the line of organic/inorganic, biotic/abiotic is not as clear as we like to think, both here on this planet and on other planets and moons as well.
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The Soviets have been teaching the abiotic theory of oil for 50 years.

It's very intriguing.
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bump
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All of those articles are old and have been debunked.

Anyone with any understanding of geology knows that the abiotic oil theory is wrong.
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How do wells refill themselves?


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bookmarked for later read
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Abiotic Oil = wet dream of Oil industry shills

Peak oil is here to stay. Undeniable.
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CORRECT
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Thanks to your masters.
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From the economic point of view, how oil is produced is not very important. The only thing that is important is how fast and at what cost it can be pumped from the ground. When the energy required to pump it equals the energy it supplies (eroi of 1:1) it becomes uneconomical to pump. Eroi has been dropping for decades. Places such as Texas are running dry. That is why more and more of our supply is produced from deeper and deeper ocean levels.
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The highest 'grade' form of carbon occurs as a result of He fusion (e.g., carbon stars).

To deny that abiotic hydrocarbons exist is akin to postulating that carbon is only produced by 'living' organisms.

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