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Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?

 
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Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
Knowledge gives us greater understanding of the universe. Why then would God not allow us to shed our ignorance? Yes, with Ignorance comes a form of Innocence, but is the Innocence worth the cost of Ignorance? If God gave us Free Will, why would he punish us for deciding on the path of knowledge?

I've come to the conclusion that: God represents Evil more than the devil, deceives more than the Deceiver, and tortures people for eternity for seeking truth.

Therefore: God is Satan, and Satan is God. The bible is a lie.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
If you knew..
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
The bible is a lie.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
The sin in the garden was to use the knowledge of the mind instead of the spirit. The mind knows nothing even though it thinks it know something. What made Adam and Eve perfect was their obedience of the still small voice within in all that they do without thought of the past, future, or beliefs garnered from the earth plane of existence. Call it luck, or instinct if you will, it is all the same.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
The sin in the garden was to use the knowledge of the mind instead of the spirit. The mind knows nothing even though it thinks it know something. What made Adam and Eve perfect was their obedience of the still small voice within in all that they do without thought of the past, future, or beliefs garnered from the earth plane of existence. Call it luck, or instinct if you will, it is all the same.
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Yet using knowledge of the mind isn't a sin. There is no sin in knowledge, there is only sin in what you do with that knowledge. So either God is wrong, or he's not God at all and we've been cheering for the other guy.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
its an allegory about the fall from unity into duality. And it wasn't about knowledge, it was "knowledge of good and evil" (hence, duality)
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
The sin in the garden was to use the knowledge of the mind instead of the spirit. The mind knows nothing even though it thinks it know something. What made Adam and Eve perfect was their obedience of the still small voice within in all that they do without thought of the past, future, or beliefs garnered from the earth plane of existence. Call it luck, or instinct if you will, it is all the same.
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Yet using knowledge of the mind isn't a sin. There is no sin in knowledge, there is only sin in what you do with that knowledge. So either God is wrong, or he's not God at all and we've been cheering for the other guy.
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Just a belief with no physical action changes your future, thus you are doing something with the false knowledge of the mind without even knowing it and missing the mark which is what sin means.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
its an allegory about the fall from unity into duality. And it wasn't about knowledge, it was "knowledge of good and evil" (hence, duality)
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Well, one could argue then that if there were a serpent in the garden (besides adam's) that the duality already existed, just not in humans and would have arisen anyways through the deceiving of ignorant people. Ignorance can be swayed to evil. Knowledge and understanding of evil can lead to better conscience.

God still comes off as an evil asshole, and Satan comes off as a whiny bitch who cocked things up to prove a point.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
its an allegory about the fall from unity into duality. And it wasn't about knowledge, it was "knowledge of good and evil" (hence, duality)
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Your mind thinks there is health and sickness(knowledge of good and Evil)

The spirit manifests according to our beliefs, thus the world as you see it now, FUBAR. And acknowledging FUBAR perpetuates FUBAR in a never ending cycle of destruction.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
The sin in the garden was to use the knowledge of the mind instead of the spirit. The mind knows nothing even though it thinks it know something. What made Adam and Eve perfect was their obedience of the still small voice within in all that they do without thought of the past, future, or beliefs garnered from the earth plane of existence. Call it luck, or instinct if you will, it is all the same.
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Yet using knowledge of the mind isn't a sin. There is no sin in knowledge, there is only sin in what you do with that knowledge. So either God is wrong, or he's not God at all and we've been cheering for the other guy.
 Quoting: Brisketball


Just a belief with no physical action changes your future, thus you are doing something with the false knowledge of the mind without even knowing it and missing the mark which is what sin means.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 776572


Then Sin is a deception. If I hold my hands out and say "Pick one. I won't tell you what's in it, but you will be punished if you choose the wrong one." seems like a con game.

God still comes off as fallible, which is a huge lode-bearing cornerstone of the Faith. Satan still comes off as a whiny brat trying to prove his maker wrong, succeeding, and keeps going on to the next thing.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
'knowing' the truth look what we have become....
Nuff said.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
Perhaps because knowledge is language-based. Language is an illusion. Our experience can not be fully described with these words. Yet, these magical words are the root of most, if not all, of humanity's suffering.

You Spell words, right? Think magic Spell
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
God knew what he was doing when he instructed Adam and Eve not to partake of the tree of knowledge. Before they disobeyed they were immortal. They knew nothing but contentment, happiness, and harmony, all things modern man tries to find, but cannot. They had it then. God knew that man would gain much knowledge in the future after that first taste. However, he also knew man was not equipped to be able to "handle or control" such knowledge. All of man's knowledge gained over the succeeding centuries amounts to nothing, compared to the relationship he used to have with God. He cannot obtain that peace with knowledge. Look at today. In just this year wars have killed hundreds of thousands in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Sudan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and more, and WWII may be near. Man cannot control or contain or use the knowledge gained effectively in constructive ways. Knowledge only leads to sin. So, God saw it as the greatest sin and banned man from without the Garden of Eden. He despised man. After a long time he felt sorry for man and provided a way of redemption. However, men think the knowledge they have obtained makes them smarter than God, they don't need God so they will perish forever from sin. A very few know that the only true knowledge is the true knowledge of God.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
Knowledge gives us greater understanding of the universe. Why then would God not allow us to shed our ignorance? Yes, with Ignorance comes a form of Innocence, but is the Innocence worth the cost of Ignorance? If God gave us Free Will, why would he punish us for deciding on the path of knowledge?

I've come to the conclusion that: God represents Evil more than the devil, deceives more than the Deceiver, and tortures people for eternity for seeking truth.

Therefore: God is Satan, and Satan is God. The bible is a lie.
 Quoting: Brisketball


Dude...
You gotta get outside more. Your really OUT there.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
Because religion is a conconction by men with the purpose of oppress, commanding and exploiting people who are underdeveloped in consciousness.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
its an allegory about the fall from unity into duality. And it wasn't about knowledge, it was "knowledge of good and evil" (hence, duality)
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Your mind thinks there is health and sickness(knowledge of good and Evil)

The spirit manifests according to our beliefs, thus the world as you see it now, FUBAR. And acknowledging FUBAR perpetuates FUBAR in a never ending cycle of destruction.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 776572


Except now you're getting into the Buddhist notions of Samsara and Nirvana, and while it was said Jesus trained with Buddhists in his missing years - it's not a part of the Christian faith.

So either the Christian Faith needs to evolve with the greater understanding of the human mind - or we need a new religion which merges higher morality with monotheism.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
God knew what he was doing when he instructed Adam and Eve not to partake of the tree of knowledge. Before they disobeyed they were immortal. They knew nothing but contentment, happiness, and harmony, all things modern man tries to find, but cannot. They had it then. God knew that man would gain much knowledge in the future after that first taste. However, he also knew man was not equipped to be able to "handle or control" such knowledge. All of man's knowledge gained over the succeeding centuries amounts to nothing, compared to the relationship he used to have with God. He cannot obtain that peace with knowledge. Look at today. In just this year wars have killed hundreds of thousands in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Sudan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and more, and WWII may be near. Man cannot control or contain or use the knowledge gained effectively in constructive ways. Knowledge only leads to sin. So, God saw it as the greatest sin and banned man from without the Garden of Eden. He despised man. After a long time he felt sorry for man and provided a way of redemption. However, men think the knowledge they have obtained makes them smarter than God, they don't need God so they will perish forever from sin. A very few know that the only true knowledge is the true knowledge of God.
 Quoting: Dragonfly


I like that.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
The sin in the garden was to use the knowledge of the mind instead of the spirit. The mind knows nothing even though it thinks it know something. What made Adam and Eve perfect was their obedience of the still small voice within in all that they do without thought of the past, future, or beliefs garnered from the earth plane of existence. Call it luck, or instinct if you will, it is all the same.
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Yet using knowledge of the mind isn't a sin. There is no sin in knowledge, there is only sin in what you do with that knowledge. So either God is wrong, or he's not God at all and we've been cheering for the other guy.
 Quoting: Brisketball

You miss the point he was making. He was correct. Mind is nothing, spirit is everything.

And, Adam and Eve, had more than a "still small voice within them". . .They had a very strong voice within them. Until, they chose to separate themselves from their heart/God.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
Back then nobody cared about death....
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
I think it's because he knew we couldent handle it.
I mean really. Look at us now.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
God knew what he was doing when he instructed Adam and Eve not to partake of the tree of knowledge. Before they disobeyed they were immortal. They knew nothing but contentment, happiness, and harmony, all things modern man tries to find, but cannot. They had it then. God knew that man would gain much knowledge in the future after that first taste. However, he also knew man was not equipped to be able to "handle or control" such knowledge. All of man's knowledge gained over the succeeding centuries amounts to nothing, compared to the relationship he used to have with God. He cannot obtain that peace with knowledge. Look at today. In just this year wars have killed hundreds of thousands in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Sudan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and more, and WWII may be near. Man cannot control or contain or use the knowledge gained effectively in constructive ways. Knowledge only leads to sin. So, God saw it as the greatest sin and banned man from without the Garden of Eden. He despised man. After a long time he felt sorry for man and provided a way of redemption. However, men think the knowledge they have obtained makes them smarter than God, they don't need God so they will perish forever from sin. A very few know that the only true knowledge is the true knowledge of God.
 Quoting: Dragonfly


Except Adam and Eve were the first two humans, so we were close with god for maybe a few years before the apple of knowledge came along. And if God knew we'd eat the apple, should he not have prepared us for it? We teach our children and try best to prepare them for the world, but it isn't until they go out and experience it that they sink or swim, and those experiences shape them based on the foundation they were given.

Knowledge doesn't lead to Sin. Conscience does.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
I think it's because he knew we couldent handle it.
I mean really. Look at us now.
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Look at us now. On the brink of oblivion or greatness never before seen. I fully believe we're at our sink or swim point in our evolution. We have been for the past couple thousand years, but this... this is where we become more, or we become nothing.

And yes. I am a Christian who believes in Darwin's Theory of Evolution. In the end I believe our bible has to be wrong. God and Jesus existed. The bible we read is wrong, however. It has to be. Just read it. With the great teachings there are so many errors, lies, deceptions, and paradoxes that ignorance is the only solution to believing it.

Humans weren't ready for knowledge, but we have it none the less. I think it's time for our religion to evolve with that knowledge, and better understanding of our own morality, duality, and conscience.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
Sin is learned, therefore it is a result of knowledge.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
Perhaps because knowledge is language-based. Language is an illusion. Our experience can not be fully described with these words. Yet, these magical words are the root of most, if not all, of humanity's suffering.

You Spell words, right? Think magic Spell
 Quoting: yogi 2048312


There is also this idea that the awareness, or knowledge of nakedness begun a process whereby humans broke away from nature. This awareness created a division between humans and animals.

So adam and eve began wearing clothes, separating themselves from the natural way of the animal kingdom, through the falsehood of knowledge.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
Sin is learned, therefore it is a result of knowledge.
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Sin isn't learned. Sin is chosen.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
The whole premise is to yield, and obey,

Can't be any more clear than that.

This is why religious types have noticeably lower IQ's across the board.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
Perhaps because knowledge is language-based. Language is an illusion. Our experience can not be fully described with these words. Yet, these magical words are the root of most, if not all, of humanity's suffering.

You Spell words, right? Think magic Spell
 Quoting: yogi 2048312


There is also this idea that the awareness, or knowledge of nakedness begun a process whereby humans broke away from nature. This awareness created a division between humans and animals.

So adam and eve began wearing clothes, separating themselves from the natural way of the animal kingdom, through the falsehood of knowledge.
 Quoting: yogi 2048312


Yet that's distinctly pagan and not at all Christian. I notice a lot of Pagan and Eastern religious insertions into Christian discussions and I've started to wonder, again... if the human mind has evolved to the point that our religious texts need to evolve with them. The bible is simple, we aren't as simple as we used to be.

In the end though, Good, Evil... it's all choice. We can be lead to evil through ignorance (lack of knowledge), but in the end it's our conscience that keeps us from crossing the threshold.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
Knowledge gives us greater understanding of the universe. Why then would God not allow us to shed our ignorance? Yes, with Ignorance comes a form of Innocence, but is the Innocence worth the cost of Ignorance? If God gave us Free Will, why would he punish us for deciding on the path of knowledge?

I've come to the conclusion that: God represents Evil more than the devil, deceives more than the Deceiver, and tortures people for eternity for seeking truth.

Therefore: God is Satan, and Satan is God. The bible is a lie.
 Quoting: Brisketball


knowledge was not a sin in the bible. poor translations make it read that way.

what was evil was Satan telling Adam and Eve that if they ate the fruit (thus disobeying God) they would become their own god.

it is not "knowledge" that was forbidden. it was wanting to become like God, or their own god and not needing God.

the fruit had nothing to do with it.

the tree had nothing to do with it.

the sin was the desire of their hearts to move God aside and be their own god. "be like God knowing good and evil"
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
Knowledge gives us greater understanding of the universe. Why then would God not allow us to shed our ignorance? Yes, with Ignorance comes a form of Innocence, but is the Innocence worth the cost of Ignorance? If God gave us Free Will, why would he punish us for deciding on the path of knowledge?

I've come to the conclusion that: God represents Evil more than the devil, deceives more than the Deceiver, and tortures people for eternity for seeking truth.

Therefore: God is Satan, and Satan is God. The bible is a lie.
 Quoting: Brisketball


the knowledge they were forbidden from receiving was the knowledge of good and evil. did adam or eve stop to consider asking god about it before they followed the deceiver? god didnt forbid them from learning. he gave them an instruction, much in the way you would instruct your child not to do something. god didnt want them to know about evil because he wished for them to remain pure and perfect. thankfully he provided the ransom through the sacrifice of another perfect human: jesus christ. when god closes a door he opens a window.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
The whole premise is to yield, and obey,

Can't be any more clear than that.

This is why religious types have noticeably lower IQ's across the board.
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Obey whom, is the question? God isn't a tyrant. Neither is his only Son. Anyone who believes in God knows this. We also don't burn our children to death for doing wrong.
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Re: Why was Knowledge a sin in the Garden of Eden?
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

2The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

4“You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5“For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Genesis 3:1-5

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