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I'm SICK of the RH Negative thread SLANDER.

 
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I was looking for the post to quote saying that Rh- mothers reject the Rh+ fetus as if it was another species. That isn't true. Look at the mule or hiney - it is a distinct species that is born to either a donkey or a horse and it is not rejected by the mother. It just can't reproduce.

Also, I can't blood from anyone but O types. My body will react to the antigens and reject it and I might well die. I am, for all intents and purposes, allergic to all other blood types because I lack the antibodies against the antigens they carry, much like Rh incompatibility. The only difference is that there's no rejection in pregnancy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946

When you say, "I can't blood from anyone but O types" you are still at a better advantage, because I cannot even get blood from people with the same blood type as me unless they too are Rh negative.

You are saying that Rh- mothers do not reject Rh+ babies? Surely you know they do...right? (don't call you Shirley?)
[link to www.nlm.nih.gov]

You have the correct information conceived in the wrong way. We are not saying that an Rh negative woman is likened to a female horse giving birth to a mule, or like a female donkey giving birth to a hinny. We are saying that an Rh negative mother IS the mule or the hinny trying to give birth where the other genes come from a horse or donkey. (An Rh pos. person as the partner in reproduction)

You said "cannot reproduce", well that's the entire point here. Rh negative mothers CAN reproduce an Rh+ child ONCE, and the only reason is that the Rh negative mother's immune system isn't fast enough to become Rh sensitized in the time it takes to have one child. The second time around, with no Rhogam, the mother cannot reproduce - is what we are saying.

So you're right, but in the wrong way.
 Quoting: ATOM 10863890


There is a lot of miscommunication here. We're both saying the same thing. I wish I could find that post to quote. Poster said "can't give birth to a + baby, rejects it like it was a different species." We're both saying the same thing, that's not how giving birth to another species works.

I'm saying I'm O+ and I will reject A, B, and AB blood just as sure as you will. However, I will not have the complications seen in Rh incompatible pregnancies. I am well aware of this problem and I fully believe in its existence. I didn't say "cannot reproduce". Nor is it like a hiney/mule and a horse/donkey. The hiney/mule is born sterile. And I am saying the mother CAN reproduce with a 2nd Rh+ child without the shot. It is dangerous, but it CAN be done and was done in the past before the advent of the shot. It is done regularly in religious communities. Only about 5% of 2nd Rh+ babies will suffer from Rh disease without the shot. 5% is too high when we're talking about life and death, so the shot was developed. So, no, it is not the same as horses and donkeys at all.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The same process occurs between blood types regardless of Rh factor, but the effects are mild, so we don't consider it a problem.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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You said "cannot reproduce", well that's the entire point here. Rh negative mothers CAN reproduce an Rh+ child ONCE, and the only reason is that the Rh negative mother's immune system isn't fast enough to become Rh sensitized in the time it takes to have one child. The second time around, with no Rhogam, the mother cannot reproduce - is what we are saying.

So you're right, but in the wrong way.
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Actually, it is the mixing of the blood at birth that triggers it. If no blood mixes, then no immunity is built up and the mother can have another Rh+ child without a problem.
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I find the whole subject fascinating (and genetics in general) when it doesn't revolve around "us vs. them" or broad generalizations.
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You said "cannot reproduce", well that's the entire point here. Rh negative mothers CAN reproduce an Rh+ child ONCE, and the only reason is that the Rh negative mother's immune system isn't fast enough to become Rh sensitized in the time it takes to have one child. The second time around, with no Rhogam, the mother cannot reproduce - is what we are saying.

So you're right, but in the wrong way.
 Quoting: ATOM 10863890


Actually, it is the mixing of the blood at birth that triggers it. If no blood mixes, then no immunity is built up and the mother can have another Rh+ child without a problem.
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According to my own doctor....only the first child is relatively safe.....the second child will likely be aborted early on because the antibodies are already present in the woman's body after the first one.
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According to my own doctor....only the first child is relatively safe.....the second child will likely be aborted early on because the antibodies are already present in the woman's body after the first one.
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I'm sorry, semantics. They make a big difference. "...the second child may be aborted."

I don't mean to downplay the risk of Rh disease, but I don't want to paint it to be something it's not. There is a big difference between "likely" and "may" and that difference can lead to such things as believing it is impossible and that an Rh- female cannot reproduce with an Rh+ male. I know this sounds arrogant and nitpicky, but it is a very important distinction to make.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
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According to my own doctor....only the first child is relatively safe.....the second child will likely be aborted early on because the antibodies are already present in the woman's body after the first one.
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I'm sorry, semantics. They make a big difference. "...the second child may be aborted."

I don't mean to downplay the risk of Rh disease, but I don't want to paint it to be something it's not. There is a big difference between "likely" and "may" and that difference can lead to such things as believing it is impossible and that an Rh- female cannot reproduce with an Rh+ male. I know this sounds arrogant and nitpicky, but it is a very important distinction to make.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946


The important distinction for ME....was when my doctor told me that my body would reject the unborn child that had rh-positive blood, as a foreign substance.

THIS has been the very root of my research into this matter.

Because for a human female to reject her own unborn child is a freak of nature....it is not at ALL how nature works.

So, what the HELL is UP with that?!? Why is it that this happens? What are the implications?

A male and female of the same species - in EVERY species - can reproduce predictably and reliably.....

Except in the case of this blood factor.

In the definition of life - predictable and reliable reproduction is a qualifier....at LEAST that is what I was taught in school about this type of thing.

I want to know WHY. Why is such a thing possible when to reproduce is such a natural function?

If I stick with everything I've ever learned about science in school....the ONLY alternative is for me to go with the disparity of species.

Can you not see how this is a total mind f*&%? If there is enough speciel disparity, than the mother's immune system will attack the unborn baby.

Either school was correct - and Rh factor is a speciel difference....OR there is an alternative science which can explain this.

For myself...this is what has always driven my search for answers.
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 Quoting: ATOM 10863890


I'm in shock!!! I know we negatives share similarities..but damn, we really are alike ! And good theory on the adrenalin thing! I have nick named that 'hulk syndrome' bc being angered makes me (tiny 5'1 and a half, 105lbs) female, a force not to be messed with. Also do you control you're emotion's well? I seem to be very tough as nails at getting past the barriers..what usually does it to me is endangering my life or someone around me ..or a loved one. etc.. I basically have to backed into a corner..but once i do.......abomb


Sure enough - it's the truth. It HAS to be. Yes, and the thing is, being tiny as you are, everyone would assume you to be weak, which technically you are "weak" as long as you are not emotionally charged up. I mean, for everyday kinds of things - but once your button has been pushed...oohh...ohh noooo redface It's like you become this other person.

You know what it's really like, is for a short time, being able to do anything you want until the effect wears off lol. It's just that the things that trigger it tend to be threatening kinds of things and so you tend to break something or lift something or otherwise dump a 100 gallon drum of whoop-ass on someone...and the scariest part...is how easy it is.

Looking at your picture, I can totally see you as Rh neg lol

We are faaaaar away from each other seriously, I could not ride a camel to your housetounge I'm in Hawaii. I'm looking for a way to PM you on here, but it looks like I cannot. Oh well, I guess the whole world will have to read these lol

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Well it's strange thats for sure. I have yet to find very many negatives, let alone anyone who also suffer's from 'hulk syndrome' very neat indeed! It is really easy to find myself with massive strength with rage. what are the odd's another neg has that..im still in shock. LOL you do live far from me, a whole world away. If you have other things about this that you do not want others to see I'm in voice chat usually in the evenings and in the mornings for a few hour's. Not sure how the time difference goes between us though.

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I find the whole subject fascinating (and genetics in general) when it doesn't revolve around "us vs. them" or broad generalizations.
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Ok well if you're making sides, 'us vs them' WHICH WAS NOT THE INTENT for the 100th time...then why dont you jump on the 'us' side and lets figure out what the TRUE issue is? Your the only one 'alienating' yourself..I promise sarcasm doesn't mean i hate you...
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
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All things are bound together.
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Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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According to my own doctor....only the first child is relatively safe.....the second child will likely be aborted early on because the antibodies are already present in the woman's body after the first one.
 Quoting: Dried Up Hag


I'm sorry, semantics. They make a big difference. "...the second child may be aborted."

I don't mean to downplay the risk of Rh disease, but I don't want to paint it to be something it's not. There is a big difference between "likely" and "may" and that difference can lead to such things as believing it is impossible and that an Rh- female cannot reproduce with an Rh+ male. I know this sounds arrogant and nitpicky, but it is a very important distinction to make.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946


The important distinction for ME....was when my doctor told me that my body would reject the unborn child that had rh-positive blood, as a foreign substance.

THIS has been the very root of my research into this matter.

Because for a human female to reject her own unborn child is a freak of nature....it is not at ALL how nature works.

So, what the HELL is UP with that?!? Why is it that this happens? What are the implications?

A male and female of the same species - in EVERY species - can reproduce predictably and reliably.....

Except in the case of this blood factor.

In the definition of life - predictable and reliable reproduction is a qualifier....at LEAST that is what I was taught in school about this type of thing.

I want to know WHY. Why is such a thing possible when to reproduce is such a natural function?

If I stick with everything I've ever learned about science in school....the ONLY alternative is for me to go with the disparity of species.

Can you not see how this is a total mind f*&%? If there is enough speciel disparity, than the mother's immune system will attack the unborn baby.

Either school was correct - and Rh factor is a speciel difference....OR there is an alternative science which can explain this.

For myself...this is what has always driven my search for answers.
 Quoting: Dried Up Hag


I see exactly what your saying..MIND fuck galore..and your right this isn't how nature is..why are we like this? it goes against what we're taught, against science as well..but rh negatives being different is pseudoscience? the whole thing is a mind fuck.

all i know is im not normal. my chemicals are not normal. my tempatures are not normal. my heart rate is not normal. My breathing is faster and shallower then people i sit by everyday..seriously wth? LOL
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When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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I'm back! Seeing as how the OP decided to delete my posts that pointed out giant holes in her the-o-ry, I'll say it again.

When your ignorant ass uses terms like MONKEY and posts insulting pics, you might as well be saying those things to your own Rh+ (or half-breed or whatever distinction you need to make in your mind) child.

Also, what's the point of all these RH negative threads if you include some RH positives (or half-breed or whatever distinction you need to make in your mind) in your little clique?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946


You're derailing the subject major. I didn't realize few pages back that we had went back and forth over the same issue..to argure the same point in different ways. Your not really helping..the monkey thing is funny sometimes..as well as the reptillian thing- but seriously over kill and your keeping everyone off topic. sorry. you have had a ton of pages now to make you're point. Thank you for you're veiw point and GTFO.

there are FACTS that most Neg's share at a higher percentage then the rest of the world.
Then there are fun facts that most Negs share at a higher percentage then the rest of the world.

You can argue with your medical bullshit all day, but the medical professionals have not been of any service or have any understanding of majority of these things. but that dosn't make it any less true to the high percentage of Negs going through it.

so you're points are invalid.

ObviousScience
 Quoting: Aiyannanaki


My darling OP, am I derailing the topic by talking about it? By disagreeing? By being Rh+? By being an obvious target for monkey hate?

Sorry, you can't kick me out of a public forum. Maybe you should have brought it on your paid site? That's what open-minded discussion is all about - questioning blind acceptance and agreement.

I believe Joshua covered the whole "fact" vs "not fact" very nicely. Are they really FACTS? Have there been actual studies that are publicly available?

I will argue medical bullshit all day, if we're talking about medical things. another do

The medical profession does in fact understand and they have done stuff for you. Maybe they're not perfect (oh hey they're humans after all) and maybe you got stuck with a doctor who didn't give your situation his all. Or maybe she did and she did the best she could. But don't pretend that they don't care about Rh issues. Don't forget, they came up with the shot that allows you to give birth to Rh+ children.
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Yes they made a shot..oh well. I need some real answers even to the pseudoscience. just because its not reconized as 'mainstream science' doesn't mean it isn't real to me and that i have not experienced it.
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when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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Also: The highly sensitive person self-test. Another name for the collection of sensitivities that you describe that doesn't depend on blood type.

[link to www.hsperson.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946

Oh I see! So it just so happens that Rh negatives are all "sensitives". COOL!!!
 Quoting: ATOM 10863890


^^This is what i have been trying to say..These things dont have to be 'exclusive' to negative blood...but the higher percentage of negatives have them...GIVE ME A BREAK pleaseeee LOL

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Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
Aiyannanaki (OP)

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Just sayin', you're talking about a normal human thing, not an Rh- thing.

Fear gives us "superhuman" strength:

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Fight or flight response:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

That's the problem about asking these questions in this context. You automatically assume that some commonality is due to your blood type without questioning it and then it becomes "an Rh- trait".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946

So you can pull doors off their hinges too? WOW, welcome to the party!
 Quoting: ATOM 10863890


I've done worse under extreme stress. Sorry, "pulling doors off hinges" isn't an Rh- trait.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946


Who were these people that the obtained these studies from..were they negatives or positives? Also isn't it important to know what state of mind they were in to obtain this info?
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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Just wondering if a lot of you guys have freckles? My sister in law is a negative and she has freckles (reddish dark blond hair and bright blue eyes) my brother is A+ and all three of their kids are + and no freckles....?
 Quoting: woowoochic


My brother is covered in them!
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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Just wondering if a lot of you guys have freckles? My sister in law is a negative and she has freckles (reddish dark blond hair and bright blue eyes) my brother is A+ and all three of their kids are + and no freckles....?
 Quoting: woowoochic


Rh positive here, both parents positive. I have very red hair, a blue eye and a green eye, sun sensitivity and pale skin, and freckles.

In fact, here's what applies to me from this list.

• Most have stronger Immune systems.
• Most have Autoimmune Conditions and the HLA-B27 genetic marker.
• Most have fair skin and light eyed, in response to having Melanin imbalances and Vit. D Deficiencies
• Most process CO2 more efficiently
• Most tend to have Iron/Copper imbalances
• Missing the RhD protein that acts as a barrier on the red blood cells.
• Pregnancy issues and complications with the clashing of blood type within the fetus.

• A feeling of not belonging
• Truth seekers
• Sense of a "Mission" in life
• Empathy & Compassion for Mankind
• An extra rib or vertebra. No, but my o+ grandmother has an extra vertebra
• Higher than average IQ
• ESP Ability
• Love of Space & Science
• More sensitive vision & other senses.
• Increased of psychic/intuitive abilities
• Cannot be cloned
• Lower body temperature
• Higher blood pressure (some say lower either way one extreme to another never quite right)
• Predominantly blue, green, or Hazel eyes
• Red or reddish tint to hair color
• Increased sensitivity to heat & sunlight
• Unexplained Scares
• Piercing Eyes
• Tend to be Healers
• Empathetic Illnesses
• Ability to disrupt electrical devices
• Prone to Alien Abductions
• Experience unexplained phenomenon
• Physic Dreams and/or Ability
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946


so you gotta little 'pseudoscience' in you as well..come on share your uniqueness (beats you being an asshole for 12 pages)LOL
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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Hi Joshua, good to see you on the forums again.

I think that the idea of following up the theories with a bit of investigation into evidence based research would be an interesting exercise.

One point that jumps at me from these threads in a positive way (he he) is that people are beginning to question what we have always been told, or not told, by the appointed 'experts' and 'professionals'.

I see this debate as a great opportunity for all of us to get thinking about what we accept as 'true' or 'not true' with regards to our own bodies, health, origins etc ... and that goes for all, regardless of blood type or racial heritage.
 Quoting: getmeoutofhere


I often have to question what I believe and whether or not it's true, because a lot of things that are stated as facts simply aren't.
 Quoting: Joshua Flynn 12610706


This goes for A LOT we have been taught, not just everything about anything except blood type..
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
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Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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According to my own doctor....only the first child is relatively safe.....the second child will likely be aborted early on because the antibodies are already present in the woman's body after the first one.
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I'm sorry, semantics. They make a big difference. "...the second child may be aborted."

I don't mean to downplay the risk of Rh disease, but I don't want to paint it to be something it's not. There is a big difference between "likely" and "may" and that difference can lead to such things as believing it is impossible and that an Rh- female cannot reproduce with an Rh+ male. I know this sounds arrogant and nitpicky, but it is a very important distinction to make.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
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The important distinction for ME....was when my doctor told me that my body would reject the unborn child that had rh-positive blood, as a foreign substance.

THIS has been the very root of my research into this matter.

Because for a human female to reject her own unborn child is a freak of nature....it is not at ALL how nature works.

So, what the HELL is UP with that?!? Why is it that this happens? What are the implications?

A male and female of the same species - in EVERY species - can reproduce predictably and reliably.....

Except in the case of this blood factor.

In the definition of life - predictable and reliable reproduction is a qualifier....at LEAST that is what I was taught in school about this type of thing.

I want to know WHY. Why is such a thing possible when to reproduce is such a natural function?

If I stick with everything I've ever learned about science in school....the ONLY alternative is for me to go with the disparity of species.

Can you not see how this is a total mind f*&%? If there is enough speciel disparity, than the mother's immune system will attack the unborn baby.

Either school was correct - and Rh factor is a speciel difference....OR there is an alternative science which can explain this.

For myself...this is what has always driven my search for answers.
 Quoting: Dried Up Hag


Look, I get it. I get that it touches you personally and you're driven to find out why. My point is, in fact, that you should look into it. What you are saying is just not true. There is rejection of the fetus much more commonly than you think.

There is hemolytic disease of the newborn.

Rare bombay hh blood group:

In theory, the maternal production of anti-H during pregnancy might cause hemolytic disease in a fetus who did not inherit the mother's Bombay phenotype. In practice, cases of HDN caused in this way have not been described. This may be possible due to the rarity of the Bombay phenotype but also because of the IgM produced by the immunity system of the mother. Since IgMs are too heavy to cross the ematoplacentar barrier (like indeed the IgG do) they cannot reach the blood stream of the fetus provoking an acute hemolytic reaction.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

At a milder level between ABO blood groups:

HDN can also be caused by an incompatibility of the ABO blood group. It arises when a mother with blood type O becomes pregnant with a fetus with a different blood type (type A, B, or AB). The mother's serum contains naturally occurring anti-A and anti-B, which tend to be of the IgG class and can therefore cross the placenta and hemolyse fetal RBCs.

HDN due to ABO incompatibility is usually less severe than Rh incompatibility. One reason is that fetal RBCs express less of the ABO blood group antigens compared with adult levels. In addition, in contrast to the Rh antigens, the ABO blood group antigens are expressed by a variety of fetal (and adult) tissues, reducing the chances of anti-A and anti-B binding their target antigens on the fetal RBCs.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Rh incompatibility is not at all like giving birth to another species. See a few posts up.

A decent explanation on wikipedia:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Rh incompatibility that doesn't always involve Rh- mothers.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Rh- means you are missing 1 protein out of 50 in the Rhesus blood group system.

Quote: "The commonly-used terms Rh factor, Rh positive and Rh negative refer to the D antigen only."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Hemolytic disease of the the newborn in the animal kingdom:

Alloimmune Hemolysis:

Neonatal isoerythrolysis (NI) is an immune-mediated hemolytic disease seen in newborn horses, mules, cattle, pigs, cats, and, rarely, in dogs. NI is caused by ingestion of maternal colostrum containing antibodies to one of the neonate’s blood group antigens. The maternal antibodies develop to specific foreign blood group antigens during previous pregnancies, unmatched transfusions, and from Babesia and Anaplasma vaccinations in cattle. Cats are unique in that blood type B cats have naturally occurring anti-A antibodies without prior exposure, and their kittens that are type A develop hemolysis after nursing. In horses, the antigens usually involved are A, C, and Q; NI is most commonly seen in Thoroughbreds and mules. Neonates with NI are normal at birth but develop severe hemolytic anemia within 2-3 days and become weak and icteric. Diagnosis is confirmed by screening maternal serum, plasma, or colostrum against the paternal or neonatal RBC. Treatment consists of stopping any colostrum while giving supportive care with transfusions. If necessary, neonates can be transfused with triple-washed maternal RBC. NI can be avoided by withholding maternal colostrum and giving colostrum from a maternal source free of the antibodies. The newborn’s RBC can be mixed with maternal serum to look for agglutination before the newborn is allowed to receive maternal colostrum.

[link to www.merckvetmanual.com]

and

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
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I'm back! Seeing as how the OP decided to delete my posts that pointed out giant holes in her the-o-ry, I'll say it again.

When your ignorant ass uses terms like MONKEY and posts insulting pics, you might as well be saying those things to your own Rh+ (or half-breed or whatever distinction you need to make in your mind) child.

Also, what's the point of all these RH negative threads if you include some RH positives (or half-breed or whatever distinction you need to make in your mind) in your little clique?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946


You're derailing the subject major. I didn't realize few pages back that we had went back and forth over the same issue..to argure the same point in different ways. Your not really helping..the monkey thing is funny sometimes..as well as the reptillian thing- but seriously over kill and your keeping everyone off topic. sorry. you have had a ton of pages now to make you're point. Thank you for you're veiw point and GTFO.

there are FACTS that most Neg's share at a higher percentage then the rest of the world.
Then there are fun facts that most Negs share at a higher percentage then the rest of the world.

You can argue with your medical bullshit all day, but the medical professionals have not been of any service or have any understanding of majority of these things. but that dosn't make it any less true to the high percentage of Negs going through it.

so you're points are invalid.

ObviousScience
 Quoting: Aiyannanaki


My darling OP, am I derailing the topic by talking about it? By disagreeing? By being Rh+? By being an obvious target for monkey hate?

Sorry, you can't kick me out of a public forum. Maybe you should have brought it on your paid site? That's what open-minded discussion is all about - questioning blind acceptance and agreement.

I believe Joshua covered the whole "fact" vs "not fact" very nicely. Are they really FACTS? Have there been actual studies that are publicly available?

I will argue medical bullshit all day, if we're talking about medical things. another do

The medical profession does in fact understand and they have done stuff for you. Maybe they're not perfect (oh hey they're humans after all) and maybe you got stuck with a doctor who didn't give your situation his all. Or maybe she did and she did the best she could. But don't pretend that they don't care about Rh issues. Don't forget, they came up with the shot that allows you to give birth to Rh+ children.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946

"Monkey hate" LOLcruise
 Quoting: ATOM 10863890


He didn't like the 'monkey' comment very much..I was just teasing..lol

(can't resist to tease more hehe)
DamnMonkeys
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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so you gotta little 'pseudoscience' in you as well..come on share your uniqueness (beats you being an asshole for 12 pages)LOL
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Nah, I'd rather not share my uniqueness so that I can be accepted into a clique that defines itself as being the opposite of me and by the uniqueness shared by all the members.

I'm unique, you're unique, my neighbours are unique, crazy-psycho-kitten-killer-down-the-street is unique. There no such things as "normals" who "all think this way".
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I'm back! Seeing as how the OP decided to delete my posts that pointed out giant holes in her the-o-ry, I'll say it again.

When your ignorant ass uses terms like MONKEY and posts insulting pics, you might as well be saying those things to your own Rh+ (or half-breed or whatever distinction you need to make in your mind) child.

Also, what's the point of all these RH negative threads if you include some RH positives (or half-breed or whatever distinction you need to make in your mind) in your little clique?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946


You're derailing the subject major. I didn't realize few pages back that we had went back and forth over the same issue..to argure the same point in different ways. Your not really helping..the monkey thing is funny sometimes..as well as the reptillian thing- but seriously over kill and your keeping everyone off topic. sorry. you have had a ton of pages now to make you're point. Thank you for you're veiw point and GTFO.

there are FACTS that most Neg's share at a higher percentage then the rest of the world.
Then there are fun facts that most Negs share at a higher percentage then the rest of the world.

You can argue with your medical bullshit all day, but the medical professionals have not been of any service or have any understanding of majority of these things. but that dosn't make it any less true to the high percentage of Negs going through it.

so you're points are invalid.

ObviousScience
 Quoting: Aiyannanaki


My darling OP, am I derailing the topic by talking about it? By disagreeing? By being Rh+? By being an obvious target for monkey hate?

Sorry, you can't kick me out of a public forum. Maybe you should have brought it on your paid site? That's what open-minded discussion is all about - questioning blind acceptance and agreement.

I believe Joshua covered the whole "fact" vs "not fact" very nicely. Are they really FACTS? Have there been actual studies that are publicly available?

I will argue medical bullshit all day, if we're talking about medical things. another do

The medical profession does in fact understand and they have done stuff for you. Maybe they're not perfect (oh hey they're humans after all) and maybe you got stuck with a doctor who didn't give your situation his all. Or maybe she did and she did the best she could. But don't pretend that they don't care about Rh issues. Don't forget, they came up with the shot that allows you to give birth to Rh+ children.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12100946


(bolded part) I was making yet another sarcastic remark about you're considering my 'theories' i have been researching as psuedoscience..so is it science or not..bc how can you argue science with psuedo? .....*looks at you with an evil eye* ..I just dont get you..
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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I forgot to add in anti-kell disease:

"Hemolytic disease of the newborn (anti-Kell1) is the second most common cause of severe hemolytic diseases of newborns (HDN) after Rh disease. Anti-Kell1 is becoming relatively more important as prevention of Rh disease is also becoming more effective."

"Prevention

Suggestions have been made that women of child bearing age or young girls should not be given a transfusion with Kell1 positive blood. Donated blood is not currently screened (in the U.S.A.) for the Kell blood group antigens as it is not considered cost effective at this time.

It has been hypothesized that IgG anti-Kell1 antibody injections would prevent sensitization to RBC surface Kell1 antigens in a similar way that IgG anti-D antibodies (Rho(D) Immune Globulin) are used to prevent Rh disease, but the methods for IgG anti-Kell 1 antibodies have not been developed at the present time."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Maybe a reason for the dramatic increase in miscarriages...
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so you gotta little 'pseudoscience' in you as well..come on share your uniqueness (beats you being an asshole for 12 pages)LOL
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Nah, I'd rather not share my uniqueness so that I can be accepted into a clique that defines itself as being the opposite of me and by the uniqueness shared by all the members.

I'm unique, you're unique, my neighbours are unique, crazy-psycho-kitten-killer-down-the-street is unique. There no such things as "normals" who "all think this way".
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Have you done blood test on you're unique neighbor's, & crazy psycho kitten killer down the street?

what do you mean accepted? I accept you just fine..although I feel abrasion in you're word you type.

And sorry you have hung around the thread for almost 20 pages, I have already pee'd on you to mark you as apart of my 'clique'.....chuckle

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Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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(bolded part) I was making yet another sarcastic remark about you're considering my 'theories' i have been researching as psuedoscience..so is it science or not..bc how can you argue science with psuedo? .....*looks at you with an evil eye* ..I just dont get you..
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Ha, we probably have a lot more in common than you think! You're mixing science and fantasy into pseudoscience stew.
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so you gotta little 'pseudoscience' in you as well..come on share your uniqueness (beats you being an asshole for 12 pages)LOL
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Nah, I'd rather not share my uniqueness so that I can be accepted into a clique that defines itself as being the opposite of me and by the uniqueness shared by all the members.

I'm unique, you're unique, my neighbours are unique, crazy-psycho-kitten-killer-down-the-street is unique. There no such things as "normals" who "all think this way".
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Have you done blood test on you're unique neighbor's, & crazy psycho kitten killer down the street?

what do you mean accepted? I accept you just fine..although I feel abrasion in you're word you type.

And sorry you have hung around the thread for almost 20 pages, I have already pee'd on you to mark you as apart of my 'clique'.....chuckle
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cruise
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(bolded part) I was making yet another sarcastic remark about you're considering my 'theories' i have been researching as psuedoscience..so is it science or not..bc how can you argue science with psuedo? .....*looks at you with an evil eye* ..I just dont get you..
 Quoting: Aiyannanaki


Ha, we probably have a lot more in common than you think! You're mixing science and fantasy into pseudoscience stew.
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Well as much as i would like to think some of the things i have went through are fantasy, they sure are not.
Maybe i can make my own stew and call it 'indigo children' LOL oh oops thats been cooked up already..back to the drawing board..tounge
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.

Chief Seattle, 1854

When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

Cree Prophecy

"Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers.
So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin.
Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth.
If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~
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Agree while O- supplies blood to all

My AB- Bloodtype is teh only bloodtype that can supplie plasma to all and it's the rarest.

And for a fact I Have hazel eyes, brown hair and at 36 still don't fit in well feel like I fit in.

When I was young I use to look to the heavens and ask to be picked up by the aliens ??? 10-11 years old and doing this ?

While I know I'm human in every way. looking back I see this as weird
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And sorry you have hung around the thread for almost 20 pages,
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But this is why I'm on GLP... to discuss stuff and get the ol' noggin' going. All the better if no one agrees with me.
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Science is dead, money killed it.

Smearing any attempt to assemble patterns, which is all Aiy is doing, by labeling it "psuedoscience" is part and parcel to the whole reason she started this thread.



Personally, the iron/copper bit is what most intrigues me. The varying conductivity of each could have massive bioelectrical implications.
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Science is dead, money killed it.

Smearing any attempt to assemble patterns, which is all Aiy is doing, by labeling it "psuedoscience" is part and parcel to the whole reason she started this thread.



Personally, the iron/copper bit is what most intrigues me. The varying conductivity of each could have massive bioelectrical implications.
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Here's the definition of pseudoscience from our trusty wikipedia:

Pseudoscience is a claim, belief, or practice which is presented as scientific, but does not adhere to a valid scientific method, lacks supporting evidence or plausibility, cannot be reliably tested, or otherwise lacks scientific status.[1] Pseudoscience is often characterized by the use of vague, exaggerated or unprovable claims, an over-reliance on confirmation rather than rigorous attempts at refutation, a lack of openness to evaluation by other experts, and a general absence of systematic processes to rationally develop theories.

Identifying pseudoscience:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I greatly encourage you to do your own scientific research or to encourage researchers that you may know to test the copper/iron idea. There are lots of intriguing ideas, but they remain in the realm of fantasy until they have been tested.
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I'm also not suggesting that you blindly accept "science" and "medicine" because it's law or anything. Far from it. Don't "just take the iron supplements and shut up already". But the medical profession is not all worldwide evil and greed and disinformation.
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Ladies (who don't take hormonal birth control) - is your cycle off?

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