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If someone commits suicide, are they reincarnated into a life which is more harder and worse than the previous one?

 
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We DO know what happens after death. In the Bible, God clearly discloses what happens. Believe it or reject it. Your eternal soul depends on what you believe about it. It is the only reliable source.
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Nobody reslly knows. Nobody can.
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And this is ignorance based on lack of knowledge as there are many on this earth who do hold and know this knowldge. It is a choice that you choose not to believe and just becuase you don't doesn't mean it is not so.
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Just because you believe something does not make it fact. No one holds after death knowledge. No one.
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It is not a belief I have knowldge and know, there is a big difference and it is irrelivant what you you think. I have had proof.
Just because you don't have this knowldge does mean everyone else is ignorant. There are other people/beings on the Earth who have this knowldge as well as far greater knowledge , your response is based on ignorance not fact. You see to think that just because you don't know it, means no one else can, this is ignorant and foolish.
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Study the cosmology of Martinus.

You will get back to the exact same problems, not worsened tho. Just a waste of time committing suicide.
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If you commit suicide you will come back and have to go through the same all over again except it will be twice as hard. Everything happens in life is just a problem to be solved and there is always a way through no matter how hard life becomes. Taking what seems the easy way out, only in the long run will make it harder on you. Until you break through the problems you have and learn and move forward you will keep repeating the same situations over and over until you do. This is how you evolve. No matter how hard you think your life is there is always someone else out there who has a worse one.

It will be you however that chooses to come back to do it all over again, because you cannot go further until you get through your problem, or will become stagnent and you will not move further on to the next lesson.

Hope this makes sense to you.
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This person is a wise soul.......learn from his replies......
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Thankyou I have been trained and taught by a private tutor and I am a woman!! lol
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I partially agree with you. But word to the wise comparing someone elses problems with others that are worse off is not always a great thing to do when a person is suicidal even if theyre problems don't seem so bad. you cannot know what they are going through or the severity of it.
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I never would decry someones frame of mind or the reasons why they would make this choice. No one has the right to judge anyone and everyone has a reason for why they make the choices that they do. It takes understanding and compassion to look through someone elses eyes. I stand by what I said though that no matter how hard your life seems there are many out there who have worse ones.
This is true, doesn't mean that the person who is sufferings life is worth any less, they obviously do not see this when they make this choice. Knowledge doesn't pander to emotion it will look at all sides to choose the best positive outcome, which can seem hard. If emotion drives you, you can get pulled in one direction, ending up doing more harm in the end. i have known people close to me who have made this choice and understand exactly why they did it, but pandering to them will not help. You need to be wise enough and strong enough to say what they sometimes don't want to hear to help them.
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Just read a few of the early posts, so forgive me if this has already been said -

Up until recently, if you committed suicide, you would likely return to deal with the same stuff you removed yourself from.
Your soul had chosen to deal with whatever challenges you faced and couldn't 'move on' until it did so.

HOWEVER, now things have changed. KARMA has finished.

Those on earth now have already decided whether they will change to be part of the NEW HUMAN TEMPLATE (very similar to how we were on Atlantis) or

do not want to be part of the change and will leave this life to return from whence they came (other parts of the universe).

There is no wrong choice. As souls we have FREE WILL
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I confess that I've only read the first two pages or so of this thread. However, this is how I gradually came to view the "re-incarnation" issue, and perhaps it may be helpful.

I think of this life on earth as similar to "going to school".

Remember when you were in school? You'd work hard to learn things, have experiences (good and bad), successes and failures, perhaps dealing with teachers who "didn't like you" and then at the end of the school year you'd have Summer Vacation. At first it would be exhilarating and you'd totally revel in the absence of "have to's" and "gotta do's". But by the end of Summer you would be getting kind of bored and have this nagging feeling that you needed to be doing something more constructive.

Then you'd go back to school. The work, although some of it would cover what you'd already learned the year before, would be a bit more difficult. Additionally you would learn NEW things to add to your store of knowledge. There would be the stress and anxiety of the end-of-the-year testing, but somehow you'd get through it. Then would come Summer Vacation again.

We're all in the same school, just different grades.

Suicide might be likened to the student who "drops out" of school. If he/she wants to progress, to keep up with all of their other friends, they are required to attend "summer school", which condenses the necessary learning into a much shorter and more intense time. If the student is diligent and redeems the poor grades he/sheis then allowed to continue on, if not, the student is forced to "repeat" the grade, including dealing with any unpleasant authority figures which the student had hoped to avoid.

Everyone who comes to Earth is given an "allotted time" to remain here. If a person chooses to "drop out" (via suicide), it may be years, months, or just a few days before their "allotted time" was scheduled to come to an end. This may be one explanation for infant/toddler deaths, that the soul may just be finishing up its' "allotted time" before Going Home and at the same time be providing the opportunity for OTHER souls to mature and grow in THEIR quest during THEIR "allotted time".

One thing is for sure: we'll ALL have the opportunity to find out at some point.

Please be kind to yourself. Things are rarely as bad as they may seem at the moment, and a solution or some help with your situation may be just a day or two away.
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there have been several books written that have researched what happens between physical incarnations. people were hypnotized and then brought back to the womb, and then before this life, etc.
we all choose the lessons that we need to learn to further our spiritual growth in each lifetime. when we have learned those lessons, then we are able to return to the light--or the time/space between incarnations. that is why some humans die as babies, and others grow old and grey.
if you thwart your previously chosen life path, you will still have to come back and learn those lessons. but you will also have to learn other lessons as well. so your next life, you could choose to have an exceptionally hard life to make up for the last one where you cut it short.
it is like dropping out of school. you will eventually have to go back to graduate. and the longer you put it off, the harder it is.
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there is no reincarnation, your body just die, your cells stop working, your gut stop digesting, your brain stop receiving and sending messages, there's nothing more.
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Then to whom might I ask are you referring to?
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there is no reincarnation, your body just die, your cells stop working, your gut stop digesting, your brain stop receiving and sending messages, there's nothing more.
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Then to whom might I ask are you referring to?
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He's telling himself.
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Well, I will believe something only if can be proven...

There's only this life, when you die your body serve as food for other creatures and the cycle of life and death continues. Pretty simple.
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ZetaTalk: Indestructible Soul
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What you call a soul is composed of substances, just as your physical body is. These substances are just as complex as the molecules and cell structure your physical body is composed of - in their own way. However, these substances cannot be destroyed by such things as atomic explosions or even entry into a black hole. The soul is durable and indestructible. Souls are born, and evolve and grow, just as in your physical world you find plants and animals springing up from seed, from a single cell. This does not happen haphazardly, and only happens on worlds in 3rd Density. When an entity is incarnate, what you call the soul suffuses with the physical body, spreading throughout all the parts of the physical body.

The existence of the soul, that part of a human remaining after the physical body expires, has been measured as a tiny adjustment in the weight of the dead body, happening at the moment of death in most cases. We say in most cases, as the soul may depart earlier, seeing the trend. For instance, where individuals go Out-Of-Body during trauma, the soul has already left. Nevertheless, there is some small scientific aspect to support the general human perception that they have a soul. In fact, so prevalent is this feeling or belief in humans, that one stating the opposite comes in for some heat. Religions invariably espouse the soul and an afterlife as a reality.

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ZetaTalk: Reincarnation
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Reincarnation occurs because special envoys from the Council of Worlds, loosely termed birthing envoys, gather up disincarnate entities and discuss the entities progress and growth. You may think of this as a school conference if you wish, where the young entity and its guides have a conference with the birthing envoys. The lessons to be learned are formulated, with the most pressing lesson taking priority. In this the entity itself has little input, just as young school children have little input into their curriculum. Many call this karma, where what one did in a past life comes back to haunt one. The entity cannot end an incarnation, except through death or the temporary vacating of the physical body during Out-Of-Body experiences.

Some entities require fewer incarnations at certain points or planes of development than other entities. This variation in the number of incarnations required is based both on the nature of the entity, or soul, and the circumstances of the incarnation. The key is whether the lesson to be learned has been sufficiently learned. In some cases an incarnation will generate more lessons to be learned than it resolved. The entity moves backwards, so to speak.

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ZetaTalk: Suicide
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We, the Zetas, believe in the right to suicide. Whose life is it, anyway? Suicide has been given a bad name in human societies, by association. The mad man, convinced he has committed crimes in fact not done, destroys his good life. A waste. In fact, this seldom happens, and is much more dramatized in fiction than occurs in fact. Most suicide is undertaken after much agonizing and debate. Most suicide is undertaken when life is truly intolerable, because of never ending pain or because the life circumstances cannot and will not change and are emotionally and mentally intolerable. The humans have cast about for years, seeking solutions, and none are to be found. They are in agony, and wish release. Most suicides do not even hamper others, but are seen as a relief. At last, the others no longer need participate as spectators in the agony. The tortured is at rest.

Why is this so resisted in human society? It is the control factor, the concept that one's life is not one's own. Organized religion, and controlling establishments, view the human populace as their herds. The herds cannot escape their bounds, and must resign themselves to their lot. Contemplating escape is not allowed, lest the herds begin to expand their horizons. Therefore, there is no escape. Pay your dues, work hard every day, pay homage, and obey. This is the theme. Suicide angers the religious elite and the establishment elite because it represents an escape. For no other reason.

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I've been thinking about the very same question, not because you posted it, but because I'm in the latter part of my life (turning 60 this year) and have suffered a financial setback this year that may or may not be critical to my well being. As I am currently without work, have a spotty job history, and if I do find employment, will be starting at the bottom of the ladder, I am wondering whether in a year or two, I will be having to make a decision to voluntarily end my life.
As I believe in reincarnation, I also wonder what the effect of suicide may hold for my karma/future life.
I'm not so glib as many of the posters are here who claim to "know" what's going to happen. Without absolute first hand knowledge of where we go, at best we are making an educated guess, based on our personal beliefs.
As of now, for beliefs do change over time, I am thinking making a decision to exit is always done with reluctance. I think dying of natural causes late in life is one of the standards society sets for a "good life". On this level, suicide has to be looked at as a form of failure. But society's views are somewhat meaningless, considering the question is how this act affects our afterlife and eventual reincarnation. How God views this act is the question. I, of course, cannot speak for God, but God, being allknowing, must be aware both of the level of our suffering and despair, and the efforts we have made to avoid this way out.
I like to think that not just our choice of exiting this life, but everything we have done in this life, is weighed in the balance when it is determined what holds next for us. To think that one destructive act, done not against others but ourselves, may negate everything we have done to that point, seems to me a false assumption. It may prove to have great weight or some or little, depending on how we have lived our lives up to that point. But who is to say? Life has a quality of chance to it that cannot be understated. We are hopefully trying to learn and grow in a constructive manner and many times we suffer as this takes place. Do we reach a stage in our lives when life has little if anything more to teach us "this time around?" Maybe that's the gist of the question. When we're ready to end things due to health or finances or mental anguish, does this life still hold meaningful lesssons for us to learn? Maybe yes and maybe no, but we should be honest with ourselves on this point, and in no small measure. I guess, for me, this is the only question that really matters.
I don't know the circumstances of your life, or what stage in life you are at, so there is no way I could reasonably measure what the outcome of a suicide might hold for you.
All I can do is tell you whatever course you take, I wish you the best.
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Bibletards can fuck right off.

I'm only interested in hearing the opinions of those who believe in reincarnation.
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committing suicide is like hitting the restart button on a video game. DONT DOO IT. that is why suicide is looked down on in every religion. NOBODY IS MEANT TO KILL THEMSELVES> they must let fate bring them to their death. you dont have that control over your life. when you commit suicide you get another chance to LIVE THE SAME LIFE OVER AGAIN. and all it does is cause grief and sorrow to your loved ones. so is it really worth it?
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Bibletards can fuck right off.

I'm only interested in hearing the opinions of those who believe in reincarnation.
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when you die you remember.
If you kill yourself the most disappointed one will be you.
Nothing as bitter as regret.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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I think we are all dead and reincarnated into a life that is more harder and we just don't realize that.
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Reincarnation is FORCED upon us by negative fucking entities in order to keep us enslaved virtually for ever while humans are kept like cattle for energies.

Resist reincarnation so that you upset the fuckers above you.

I say it because there's NO WAY to pay back all Karma, it's very similar to the fake Earth economy system, you're forced to take a loan that you can NEVER-EVER pay back, otherwise people would Ascend in daily basis when "clearing out" Karma. (no, they can't do that, there's always a "lesson", if you believe in it)

Observe yourself how easily you can be manipulated by fake logic, try to navigate out from reincarnation by resistance to the Matrix (it will need more and more energy to animate you) and read the Tao, we may get out of this to the FREE Universe with hot chicks ready for sex!

Resist reincarnation, don't believe in the fake ligh beings, they screwed it up big time!

Normally, you create an equal force to your mistake, if you do one, but without working genes (shut down by f:ing aliens) we are caught here for ever so resist the fuckers, let they panic! lol
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as long as i dont reincarnate back on this peice of shit ill be happy

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So the teachings on karma are generally like this...there is a mental continuum that continues after the separation from the physical body. Where it goes depends in part on the mental state at the moment of separation, virtuous, non-virtuous or neutral, and it also depends on what previously generated karmic potentials are ripening at that moment. The taking of a life is generally a very self-centered action,on balance probably very non-virtuous. These are the general things to consider, and its also complicated by the factor that most of what people think to be rational thinking on their part is not, it's almost completely under the control of their delusional karma.
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Bibletards can fuck right off.

I'm only interested in hearing the opinions of those who believe in reincarnation.
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I don't "believe" in reincarnation, I KNOW its a fact and as to Christians, Jesus taught it, and it was left out of the bible. How else do you grow your spirit?

As to your question, generally one is put back into a situation where they pick up where they left off. Not always the case, but the most common.
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there is no reincarnation, your body just die, your cells stop working, your gut stop digesting, your brain stop receiving and sending messages, there's nothing more.
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Totally correct....

But your soul lives on for eternity.
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^^Totally correct^^ - which you'd especially only know if you had a near-death-experience before you even had conscious knowledge of what an NDE was, i.e 4 yrs old.

I'm afraid all that seems to die is the physical OP...having experienced my soul float out of my body and watch my true physical body drown, when i was a girl of 4..it was painless, quite serene and peaceful....until i saw arms plunge into the water and was yanked out - i swiftly returned to my body and next remember spluttering on the patio.

Yet even after this experience i have no idea what happens to the soul once it leaves...i didn't get that far!

Suicide, would end this current incarnation - that is fact. What happens the 'other side' to one's soul...spirit..hmmmm...many debate that don't they.

We're told to believe we will suffer the wrath of our selfish actions - and incarnate to be a slug for 15 days and then...blah blah...

It's even illegal...which is hilarious because how on earth can it be lawfully controlled? - thousands kill themselves every month.

I lost 2 friends to suicide. Beautiful souls - i never thought it was selfish of them - life can be a harsh ride for many.

As another poster said on a thread a while back something along the lines of: - suicide is considered the blackest sin - because it's the most common fear people have: Dying.
There is a possibility that one could be rewarded for facing the most common fear of man. Hence why it's illegal. To keep us 'bound' - another element to their slavery.

It takes some serious introspection to even consider such a thing. There is inner strength required to commit such an act.

There is also a lot of inner strength required to live...fa sure! :-)

We'll never know anything while we cling onto life and fear death. As a child i didn't know what death was until i nearly died - i had no fear of it and it slipped in peacefully. I actually was so innocent i thought, as i saw my mum doing - i could swim underwater and breathe. I didn't know she held her breath!

One thing life has taught me - the grass is never greener on t'other side...(always a different ride tho') Replace one set of problems for another. That's life though - not sure if that applies in death.

Yet whatever we 'run away' from - annoyingly the universe somehow manages to send that 'challenge' to us, no matter what choice we make! ;-) I expect that rule applies to the soul journey rather than life journey so possibly death is no escape from 'True soul challenges'.

We'll all find out one day :-)

And just incase it's yourself considering suicide - i will open up and tell you i have journeyed that mindset many times - and have at times regretted not doing it years before! Yet, the inner me...the fighter and dreamer...the soul POTENTIAL of myself...wants to live. Curiosity of what will become of me if i live grabs me. That always stops me. For i know one thing i can be certain of is change. Whether i want life to change or not it eventually always does. I turn a corner and experience another slice of life...it enriches me, sometimes torments me...but always ENHANCES who i am.

Maybe even this post itself is the reason i had to live for.

(I'm not a bibletard...far from it!)

With regard for you OP,
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there is no reincarnation, your body just die, your cells stop working, your gut stop digesting, your brain stop receiving and sending messages, there's nothing more.
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13.5 billion years of this universe, 4.6 billion years of this planet, of which a quarter of that there has been life on the planet, and you think THIS is your one and only shot at it?

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dont ask stupid questions putin no one knows what will happen when we die.
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as long as i dont reincarnate back on this peice of shit ill be happy
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i will be VERY disappointed too, unless I can have some serious words with the big man, and ask him just WTF is going on exactly, and why it is evil ALWAYS wins!
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Yes I think life after would be worst. Taking your own life is not a nice way to die, one of the worst possible death. Last moments of death determine where you go. So it wouldn't be to a good place. Suicide is probably equal to murdering someone in terms of Karma.
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Yes, you start over again, same kind of life.
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Re: If someone commits suicide, are they reincarnated into a life which is more harder and worse than the previous one?
good question. As for the people who are saying that after suicide the soul is reincarnated into a "harder" life.. I ask : WTF IS THE GODDAMN POINT!?

I mean, if one person commits suicide because perhaps his life is impossible, how does getting reincarnated into a "harder!" life make the person get better at life at all? He doesn't. It doesn't sound very nice, it just seems like punishment. What happens to a person who commits suicide who will then also commit suicide in the next and the next and the next?

Wouldn't it be better if a person who commits suicide reincarnates into a life in which they either have no choice but to evolve (not the same as being forced to face a harder situation.... in such a hard situation a person ALWAYS has the choice to commit suicide also so it's not like he doesn't have a choice but to evolve) or at least the person is helped along the way? That seems fairer and compassionate.
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besides I'd also like to know just how the "universe" can tell what is suicide or not?

What if it's not even deliberate suicide but the kind that is long and drawn out, initiated by the person?

Just what is and what isn't suicide if we are "all one" and all that crap?
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besides I'd also like to know just how the "universe" can tell what is suicide or not?

What if it's not even deliberate suicide but the kind that is long and drawn out, initiated by the person?

Just what is and what isn't suicide if we are "all one" and all that crap?
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Waht of a person who kill himself but never intended to? also again, if we are "all one" who's to say WHO is it that commited suicide?

What if the person committed suicide after having been brainwashed by someone else or after someone else inspired it? So who then would be at fault? Esp. if the person inspiring the suicide perhaps KNEW the other would be so devastated as to commit suicide and he was wronged?
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Re: If someone commits suicide, are they reincarnated into a life which is more harder and worse than the previous one?
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