DEBUNKING NASA'S "NASA CRUSHES 2012 MAYAN ACPACALYPSE"

here this is a project NASA has looking into this

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The galaxy in question is PKS 2155-304, a type of object known as a "blazar." Like many active galaxies, a blazar emits oppositely directed jets of particles traveling near the speed of light as matter falls into a central supermassive black hole; this process is not well understood. In the case of blazars, the galaxy is oriented such that we're looking right down the jet.

Fuck you OP. You are full of shit and spewing insults about our culture.

OP do you have some proof of your stated bloodlines?

And no there are not many if any American Indian cultures that believe that they are products of interbreeding with alien reptilians

Excellent!

1) Please calculate the forces involved in two docking spacecraft, and prove it is impossible, as you claimed in 2003. Apollo and it's LEM will do, but bonus for, say, the Space Shuttle and the ISS.

2) Please post your scientifically accurate and math proving incontrovertibly that the Moon is hollow, as you claimed you could do.

3) Please show your math proving that impact craters should be oblong, rather than round, as you claimed you could do, and propose a physical experiment demonstrating this. A shotgun in sand should do nicely.

4) Please show your evidence and sources that asteroids velocities are well under 4 kps.

5) Please show your math and cite your sources proving the Moon has the lowest eccentricity of any object in the Solar System, as you have claimed.

6) Please show all your math involving the chemistry and forces involved in the first stage of an Apollo launch. Include the pressures of the various fuels.

Failure to answer each and every one of these questions politely and completely, showing all your math and every step, will leave me no choice but to post up the giant list of embarrassing claims you've made over the years.

Oh, and as a bonus question: Give details on your forthcoming book due out at the end of 2007. Oh, wait. Did you make that up, too?

Hold the phone

You mean this guy isn't just a role playing troll?

He really believes this stuff?

The end date of the Mayan calendar is 4 Ahau 3 kankin. Kankin is a solar "month" consisting of 20 days. SInce it is a solar calendar date, it happens the same time every year. Kankin means yellow sun, or old sun. The month of Kankin begins on April 9th and ends on April 28th. 3 Kankin is April 12. So as per the inscriptions on countless markers and the Codex Dresden, the end date falls on April 12.

When you combine the Tzolkin date, 4 ahau with the solar calendar (Ha'ab) date you create a cycle where no date name (Ha'ab plus tzolkin) can repeat for 52 solar years. That means that every solar year with the same name has the exact same sequence of dates. The name of the only year where a date called 4 ahau 3 kankin can occur is 2 Etznab.

The only reason Cortes was not killed on site was that the Aztecs believed he could be Quetzalcoatl. Why? Because he arrived in the year Ce Acatl, which coincides with our year 1519-20. This was the year that Quetzalcoatl was supposed to return. Had he arrived any other year the results may have been very different.

The following year was 2 Etznab, the only year the end date can occur.

You can work out for yourselves when the possible years for the end date could have happened by adding 52 to 1520. The only years eligible are 1520, 1572, 1624, 1676, 1728, 1780, 1832, 1884, 1936, and 1988. The next time the year is called 2 etznab will be in 2040.

So 2012 can't be the end date.
The reason why Thompson and Morley's correlation is wrong is because they didn't understand that

1) The years don't always start at the same time of day
2) No leap year day was counted/

The 52 solar years were divided into 4 groups of 13, according to their name and assigned to the four cardinal directions. The years of the east began at sunrise. The years of the north at noon. The west, sunset and the south midnight. Using this mechanism it was not necessary to account for an extra day, because the solar year lasted 365.25 days.

The end date was celebrated at noon, April 12 1988. No doom was predicted. If I am wrong, and I am not because I was there, the date 4 ahau 3 kankin cannot happen again until April 12 2040.

And BTW. Kukulkan is not a Mayan god. He is Quetzalcoatl with a Mayan name and he was imposed on my people by the toltec invaders during the post classic period. As soon as they were defeated and the triple alliance fell, due to the treason of Hunac Ceel, he was discarded by the people.

Well you make a formidable counter argument for the 2012 believers, that's for sure. And your right about Cortes, how coincidental that they arrived on the very year the Aztecs were in wait of their God.

Tell me something, if you know: What is the connection with the Alfa Romeo car manufacture, or the one side to their company logo in relation to Quetzalcoatl?

Here is the sad part, an ocean of souls will feel even more lost should nothing change or occur significantly toward the end of this year. A lot of us are really holding out on this "big change" .

I fear the last light of the world is going to be extinguished.

Don't fear anything you have heard here. Of course there are people who are going to come here and lie to you when a subject title such as this is posted. The ones paying them have everything to lose. I will get around to debunking a few of the better lairs ,but 74444 must be ignored if we are to make progress because his questions have nothing to do with the subject and are intended to wast my time with nonsense that I never used in my official disqualification of Apollo.
There were a few questions raised about how two separate vehicles weighing many tons and made out of aluminum foil in the case of the lunar module could survive several failed docking attempts. ramming into each other repeatedly, but that' a subject of another thread. If he wants me co calculate something in subject, fine..I've dealt with this man personally for over ten years, I know how he works

OK, debunk what I have said. Debunk the end date I have given with logic. Provide me with a credible source where Mayans predict any of what you are saying. Tell me this. If you believe that the calendar end date is any date but April 12, how can you believe the Mayans were so advanced if they couldn't even invent a solar calendar that marked the seasons accurately? Obviously the correlation is wrong. It's as obvious as if I told you Easter happens in November.

There are normally more than 1300 earthquakes a year over 5.0 magnitude.

That works out to over 3.6 earthquakes a day of 5.0 or larger.

So daily earthquakes of 5.0 is normal and not a sign of anything.

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Facts will get you a SHILL badge round these parts

Good stuff. Is this you, KIR?

Guilty as charged.

What if it does not peak in 2013 and continues to misfire?.

Now for the truth:

PROOF THE MAYAN END DATE IS 12/21/ 2012 A.D.



Researchers have known for many decades that the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan "Long Count" system of timekeeping was set to end precisely on a winter solstice. There is no question in any serious researchers mind about this, or in the minds of Mayan elders themselves . This method of time keeping was implemented 2300 years ago, and therefor disqualifies almost all of what they so called 'debunkers' have claimed. So why did they choose the year 2012 as the end of the long count? There have been numerous archaeological articles relating to the Mayan Long Count and the precession of the equinoxes. None are in disagreement about the date the long count ends, and actual dates on our calender can easily and accurately be correlated to dates on the Mayan calender, which was really just keeping track of the movement of celestial bodies in space.

Here are some basic facts to get you started in truly understanding how the calender keep 'time'.

The Maya were expert astronomers . There abilities in predicting celestial events have never been equaled, using any type of modern time keeping system. Their calender is still accurate to within minutes of accuracy in predicting such events as eclipses, planetary transitions of the Sun, and alignments. so there is no question as to the end date of the long count.The end of the peak period of their civilization is proceeded the arrival of the whites by 500 years, by the time Cortez arrived it had totally collapsed. Why is another thread, and we will get into that later.


In reality, the great Mayan civilization marked by organized trade, and agriculture, the building of huge cities and complex forms of government lasted from @ 200 A.D. to 900 A.D.. Huge ruin sites indicating advanced culture with distinctly Mayan antecedents are being found in the jungles of Guatemala dating back to before the common era.

Before this, the Olmec civilization flourished and developed the sacred count of 260 days known as the tzolkin.

The early Mayans used two distinct and separate time keeping systems, the Short Count and the Long Count.

The Short Count originates from a combination of the tzolkin cycle with the solar year and the Venus cycle of 584 days.
Using this method ,short periods of 13, 52 and 104 years are generated. Fortunately, we don't have to deal with the properties of the so-called Short Count system here because that is not what we are discussing.

. The Long Count system is more abstract, but is also related to astronomical cycles. It is based on cycles of days multiplied at each level by that key Mayan number, twenty:

# of Days Terminology

1 Kin (this is a single day)

20 Uinal

360 Tun

7200 Katun

144000 Baktun

The only exception to multiplying by twenty to get the next time period is the tun , where the uinal period is multiplied by 18 instead to make op the 360 days of the tun.

The Maya simply used this counting system to keep track of an unbroken sequence of days from the time it was developed, counting and recording each day meticulously.

The oldest Long Count date yet found corresponds to 32 B.C. There are Long Count dates in the archeological record beginning with the baktun place value and separated by dots. 6.19.19.0.0 equals 6 baktuns, 19 katuns, 19 tuns, 0 uinals and 0 days. Each baktun has 144000 days, each katun has 7200 days, and so on. If we take the sum of all of the periods of time, we find that 6.19.19.0.0 indicates a total of 1007640 days have elapsed since the Zero Date of 0.0.0.0.0.

The 13-baktun cycle is completed 1872000 days (13 baktuns) after 0.0.0.0.0. This period of time is the so called Mayan "Great Cycle" of the Long Count and equals 5125.36 years.

Now we need to correlate this to a time frame we can understand. We need to determine how the Long Count relates to our Gregorian calendar.

This correlation of Mayan time with "western" time has occupied Mayan scholars since the beginning, but here is a definitive answer! The question we need to answer is when does 0.0.0.0.0 (the Long Count "beginning" point) start in the Gregorian calendar? Well, the Gregorian calender is fundamentally flawed so the question wasn't easily answered.

After years of considering data from varied fields such as astronomy, ethnography, archeology and iconography, it has been determined that 0.0.0.0.0 corresponds to the Julian date 584283, which equals August 11th, 3114 B.C. on our Gregorian calendar.

This means that the end date of 13.0.0.0.0, some 5125 years later, is December 21st, 2012 A.D.1

The interrelationship between the Long Count and Short Count has always been consistent since both were tracked alongside each other in an unbroken sequence since their conception.

Interestingly ,an aspect of the "Short Count" called the sacred tzolkin count of 260 days is still being followed in the highlands of Guatemala.

This last surviving usage of a calendar tradition some 3000 years old supports the correlation of 584283. .

The central point of interest for early Mayan astronomers seems to have been the projected end date in 2012 A.D., rather than the beginning date in 3114 B.C.

Having positively determined the end date in 2012, which i will prove shortly , and calling it 13.0.0.0.0, they believed they themselves were living in the 6th baktun of the Great Cycle.

The later Maya certainly concocted many myths concerning the beginning date, relating it to the birth of their Gods, but it is certain that the placement of the Long Count hinges upon its calculated end point.

The Sacred Tree

The whites are still attempting to answer this question: What is so important about the winter solstice of 2012 and, exactly how were calculations made so accurately, considering that polar precession should make them so extremely difficult that using their own system such accuracy would be impossible to achieve.

A standard 'horoscope' chart for December 21st, 2012 A.D. reveals nothing unusual. The reason for this is obvious, and that is that the horoscope itself is not in any way related to this end date.

The astronomical meaning of the Mayan Sacred Tree.

The Sacred Tree is and can be nothing other than the crossing point of the ecliptic with the band of the Milky Way. The only way this is possible is if the two planes cross each other.

Alas, IDW/AA, you have once again failed to address any of my points. I, thus, have no alternative but to repost the List. But I'll do that at my leisure. In the meantime:





What parts, *specifically,* did you never use in your official disqualifications? Which questions of mine are you, *specifically,* disavowing?



But you never answered it in the first place, nor showed your calculations: calculations you claim to have made trivially. Forgive my skepticism in believing you EVER made them.



LOL. Not *quite* ten years, but there you go. Alas, I suppose I shall see you refuse to show your work again -- it goes so nicely with your past performance.

Well, let's see you metaphorically put your money where your mouth is. What specific prediction can you make regarding 2013 that, if it fails to occur, invalidates your (since I can't think of what else to call it)belief system? I am sure, with your superior intellect, that you can make a specific prediction and experiment that makes these particular ideas falsifiable?

Looking forward to your answer, assuming I ever get one. If not, I suppose I'll add it to the List. Best 44kb I ever saved.

Now for the truth:

PROOF THE MAYAN END DATE IS 12/21/ 2012 A.D.



Researchers have known for many decades that the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan "Long Count" system of timekeeping was set to end precisely on a winter solstice. There is no question in any serious researchers mind about this, or in the minds of Mayan elders themselves

So what qualifies as a serious researcher? Who in particular would you call serious. Please reference their work. And as for the "elders", just the use of that word in the context of Mayan peoples today and in the distant past shows that you have no idea about anything Mayan. How many "elders" do you know? What are their names? Maybe I know some of them. Maybe not....


It was implemented longer ago than that and it wasn't the Mayans that implemented it. It was the culture we call Olmec. They didn't choose 2012, as I have explained above.

You are right that the calendar is related to the precession of the equinoxes, but not the way you tell it.


Yes, they depended on agriculture, so as I explained in the previous post, the ha'ab component of the end date will always indicate the same time of year no matter when it happens. The date is 3 kankin, when the sun is old, just before the first transit of the sun on the solar nadir. It can't be December. The culture we call Mayan happened between 100 BC and 1480 AD. There are much older remains of other cultures in Guatemala, Chiapas, Tabasco, Campeche and Quintana Roo that are completely unlike anything Maya, and cannot be shown to be related. Archeological evidence proves that the transition of Olmec to Mayan happened in the area of Izapa, Chiapas, and sadly, most of the evidence is submerged under the Angostura Dam.

Mostly accurate, except that this system was used to count everything. It's a number system. As for the terminology, yes, I know it and I know what the words mean. Do you for example know why the Uinal is called that? It is important.


Right and wrong. The first part is true. 13 Baktuns is equal to 1872000 days, which is equal to 5200 Tun years. But you yourself have referred to the Uinal. The tun year has 360 days because it is a convenient number. But as we all know, the solar year is 365.25ish days long. That's why the ha'ab component is in the calendar, both in the uinal count and the uinal glyph. As you have stated, they were an agricultural people, so the solar calendar had to be as accurate as possible. If what you are saying is true, their seasonal marker would lose one day every four years.

The second part just proves you have never written the days yourself. Remember, the day we count as the leap year did not have to be counted because the days of the different years began at different times of the day. Every time we count Feb. 29th on our calendar, the correlation slips by one day. If you count the days you will find that the start date 4 ahau 8 cumkhu and the end date 4 ahau 3 kankin are 5128 solar years plus 280 days apart. That one day every four years is the reason why people think the 2012 dste is correct. It is an error in the correlation.



No, see above and do the calculation yourself. The start date is 4 ahau 8 cumkhu which can only happen on July 7th 3140 BC. The short count is used to count between dates. Like the lifetime of a man, or an empire or whatever. Again it is a number system and isn't always, or even usually calender related.

What ever are you talking about? Events are still being registered today in many towns off the beaten track.

It's obvious you don't speak Mayan or understand their culture. But I can tell you've read lots of new age shit and watched some videos on the subject.

The subject matter of this post is not the Apollo hoax, nor is it's purposed to pacify or respond to any of it's shit breathed lying proponents on that subject, one which to my satisfaction and everyone who has objectively read and honestly analyzed the disqualifications, has been proved by the scientific method to be a hoax beyond any possible realistic doubt..
The disqualifications I made to the Apollo hoax are well known to you and are available on this website, om the Physorg website, and were posted the BAD ASTRONOMY FORUM, a 'debate' to which you were a party to..Please do continue, it only tends to give credence to my assertions that you attempting to sidetrack them with totally off topic material. The no fly zones were the final belly laugh as far as I am concerned. Apollo is no longer an issue.

You have made no actual rebuttal to the material presented, only attempted to appear to. Show a real rebuttal with actual references. Then I will respond, respond to this nonsensical post would be akin to responding the the back of captain crunch box. I provided you with proof of the end date and it's significance, and that the calender was more concerned with this particular date that it's beginning to the Mayan people.

And another thing, OP. None of what you wrote addresses any of the points I raised in my first post. You did nothing to deconstruct my arguments and you only provided vague references to "researchers" and supposed "elders". I actually gave the tools needed to verify what I say is true. Try again.

Tell me OP. If you are such an expert, tell me what date on our calendar marks the beginning of the Mayan solar calendar?

A native american person without an agenda with a degree in archeology that has an open mind and understands the difference between white science and truth. Certainly not YOU!

0.0.0.0.0 corresponds to the Julian date 584283, which equals August 11th, 3114 B.C. on our Gregorian calendar.

Actually you posted a lot of speculation and pure nonsense

I am native american, part canadian and part nahuatl, my ex wife is Mayan, and that would make my kids half Mayan. They speak 3 different dialects of Mayan. My father in law was a highly respected healer and time keeper. No degree in archeology but have worked with some on digs in Calakmul, Becan, Xpujil, Palenque, Tonina and Xochicalco. You really have no idea and wouldn't know truth if it bit you in the ass. You think you know and have shut out any possibility of learning something new.

I considered your argument and used logic, experience and knowledge gained by following the calendar events in the places where it was perfected. You, on the other hand are not even willing to give me the same consideration. What exactly do you find to be nonsense? That a solar calendar should accurately point to the same time in the solar cycle every year? Or that the people came up with the correlation based on the false assumption that the leap year needed to be counted? Or that by using simple logic and going by the dates we have for Cortes' arrival we can pinpoint a date with which to correlate to the Mayan calendar? Please help me out here. What exactly is nonsense, and have you even tried to verify it? Please prove me wrong with more than accusations and insults, because if you don't it will just look like you are afraid to put your own beliefs to the test.

Your question makes no sense. We do not believe that 2013 will fail to occur. What will invalidate my belief system is if you are still living in 2013 and able to come here and post to the effect that I was wrong.


I have made a specific prediction that is not on any way based on the Mayan calender end date. This is strictly incidental from a astrophysical scientific point of view, and the Mayan calender end date involves an strange coincidence of archeological and astrophysicist study. It means something to the Mayans that they chose that particular date and so many coincidences occur on that precise date. What it proves essentially is the intelligent organization of the universe by an intelligent architect of the universe with a specific purpose and meaning.

The prediction I have specifically made is that on 12/21/12 a very specific event will occur, a transfer of electromagnetic and particle energy directly from the sun to the Earth 'pulled' by the electromagnetic forces of the galactic center and involving a high rate of transfer of energy between the Sun and the Earth that will be enabled and magnified by a high density of charged particles between the Earth and the Sun which dramatically decreases the resistance of open space to the transfer of such a discharge. It is like putting a 1000 ohm resistor in the place of 100,000 ohm resistor in an electrical circuit, which the transfer of electromagnetic and electrically charged particle energy between the earth and Sun is.

So you are an archaeologist and an astrophysicist?

As far as your original post goes I don't see where NASA was addressing anyone in particular but rather commenting on many of the popular doom conspiracy theories

Are you really that narcissistic to think that they are after you?

Just how would your alleged alignment "change the resistance of open space"?

Thank you OP, Much Love.