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HOW MANY OF YOU CHRISTIANS EAT PORK .. READ THIS NOW

 
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I have heard that at the time it was added to the Bible there were diseases being spread by pigs. As is now in some countries where pigs are infected with TB.
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The Bible is a spiritual book read with literal eyes. As long as you read the Bible without spirit you are spiritually blind, following the ways of the flesh. Life is in the blood, not the flesh, without blood (the spirit) the flesh is dead. The Bible is symbolic, not literal. Pigs are symbolically filthy, just as we are in our sins. Christ cleanses us from our sins and thus we are cleansed just as a pig is washed from its filth.
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It's symbolic when it serves your best interest, and literal when it serves your best interest, right? And just when you think you have a handle on something, someone says, "yeah, but that's not how it's worded/translated in _______"...

Then what?
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The Bible is a spiritual book read with literal eyes. As long as you read the Bible without spirit you are spiritually blind, following the ways of the flesh. Life is in the blood, not the flesh, without blood (the spirit) the flesh is dead. The Bible is symbolic, not literal. Pigs are symbolically filthy, just as we are in our sins. Christ cleanses us from our sins and thus we are cleansed just as a pig is washed from its filth.
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Oh, so when it says not to steal or to commit adultery, it doesn't actually mean you shouldn't steal or commit adultery...that's all just, symbolic of something more vague.
Wow, I see.
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Galatians 3:10-12

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10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
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Galatians 3:10-12

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10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
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Here .

[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]
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Not eating pork was symbolic and physically useful seeing that pigs are natures vacuum along with all unclean animals listed in bible.


Matthew 15
“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
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5* stars OP , its a breath of fresh air to see people teaching the truth here .
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thanks pal . its a shame that not many will listen or take heed , this is the truth ...

i have stopped eating pork i also got circumstized which was painfull but these are the laws , people claim to worship yehoshua , but they worship the fake jesus of the vatican , do what you want eat what you want , ... these are lies ...
There is 18 level's of hell which one you going to ....
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Not eating pork was symbolic and physically useful seeing that pigs are natures vacuum along with all unclean animals listed in bible.


Matthew 15
“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
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Matthew 15 had nothing to do with eating unclean food. Matthew 15 is about the talmudic command to wash your hands before you eat.

Also, how do you symbolically not eat pork?

Is that like symbolically not eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? But I'm sure that would turn out alright.

Sure, you can always find spiritual (sod) applications to all things of YHWH, but calling commands "symbolic" so that you can violate them is just plain hypocrisy.


If you think that a 1st century sabbath-observing, tallit-wearing, Torah-preaching, "Jewish" rabbi told his community to eat pork, then you are reading from a different book than the rest of us.
If you can justify killing one man, you can justify killing every man.

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Not eating pork was symbolic and physically useful seeing that pigs are natures vacuum along with all unclean animals listed in bible.


Matthew 15
“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
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My friends is talking about that dense foods.

That is Pork, Beef and Lamb.

Peace!.
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I thought it was talking to people that sanctify THEMSELVES, not needing God.
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Gosh, Spain is a catholic country...and the national dish is HAM!!!

crisco

btw...pork lard is used in everything these days...even at the bakery to make the croissants shinier! It's cheap and most vegetarians don't even know they are eating it.
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Not eating pork was symbolic and physically useful seeing that pigs are natures vacuum along with all unclean animals listed in bible.


Matthew 15
“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
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How about putting up all the chapter instead of a few verses taken out of context ???

Matthew 15
That Which Defiles
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”

3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’[a] and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:

8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’[c]”

10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”

13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Leave them; they are blind guides.[d] If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

15 Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”

16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”


Yeshua was talking about eating food without washing your hands , one of the many added traditions of men . The last line that I have bolded is the most important here .
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Isa.66
[15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.


Again, we know what time this is; the second coming of the Lord.


[17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

there you go chrisitans , your all going to be consumed by the lord fire for eating pork ... give it up NOW
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Truth Bringer....This is what absolutely shows that you have NO DISCERNING SPIRIT of the word of GOD , nor I assume are you filled with the evidence of the holy ghost with evidence of speaking in tongues ..the GIFT that is a language between ONLY GOD AND MAN , THAT NO NOT EVEN THE ANGELS UNDERSTAND.....YOU CANNOT PICK ONE OR TWO SCRIPTUES OUT OF GODS WORD AND SAY ...WELL, THIS IS IT. YOU EITHER DO THIS OR YOUR GONNA BURN!!!!!
NOW, SINCE YOU DONT KNOW , IM GOING TO TELL YOU. THE OLD TESTAMENT, WHICH ISAIAH 66 IS IN....WAS UNDER "THE LAW" AND THE LAW WAS FOR THE jewish people!!!!!! NOT THE GENTILES.....WHICH IS EVRYBODY EXCEPT THE jewish people. WE NO LONGER LIVE UNDER THE LAW! ONCE JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS , WE WERE VOID OF THE THE LAW OF OLD, AND NOW WE LIVE UNDER "GRACE" BEING THE NEW TESTAMENT!!!!!.......NOW, TRUTH BRINGER...I HIGHLY SUGGEST YOU GO BACK IN YOUR OLD TESTAMENT BIBLE, AND READ THE SCRIPTURES LEADING UP TO VERSES 15 IN CHAPTER 66,AND READ VERSES 15-24. AS YOU ***WILL CLEARLY**** SEE IN VERSE 8, IT SAYS ZION (THATS ISRAEL!!!), IN VERSE 10 IT SAYS JERUSALEM , IN 12 IT SAYS GENTILES, IN VERSE 13 , IT SAYS YE SHALL BE COMFORTED IN JERUSALEM!!!), I WANT YOU TO READ VERSES 19 AND 20. DO THESE PLACES SOUND LIKE THEY ARE ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES? NO!!!! THESE ARE ALLLLL PLACES INAND AROUND JERUSALEM! AND IN 20..THEY SHALL DECLARE MY GLORY "AMONG THE GENTILES"...EVRYBODY NOT OF JEWISH DESCENT!....
YOU CANNOT , CANNOT, JUST PICK ONE SCRIPTURE AND ASSUME YOU KNOW WHAT GODS TRANSLATIONS OF IT IS!!!!...YOU MUST READ EVERYTHING BEFORE IT, AND AFTER IT....GOD SAID IN HIS WORD ; "STUDY TO SHEW THYSELF APPROVED!!!!! IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE LIVING, BREATHING, INNERANT WORD OG GOD, DO NOT POST IT....YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE MILLIONS OF LIVES THAT HAVE SEEN THIS AND GOD WILL PERSONALLY ASK YOU ABOUT THIS ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT , NOW THAT YOU DO KNOW...THAT THE THE OLD TESTAMENT IS UNDER THE LAW WHICH WE NO LONGER LIVE UNDER AND HAVENT LIVED UNDER SINCE THE DAY JESUS DIED ON THAT CROSS AND ROSE AGAIN , WE NOW LIVE UNDER HIS "GRACE" WHICH IS THE NEW TESTAMENT.....AND THE OLD TESTAMENT WAS ****SCTRICTLY**** FOR THE jewish people TO ADHERE TOO!! NOT THE GENTILES. BUT THE BECAUSE THE jewish people HARDENED THEIR HEARTS AND STIFFENED THEIR NECKS AGAINST GOD, AND REFUSED HIS COMMANDMENTS AND STATUTES AND TOOK TO FOREIGN GODS , WE (GENTILES) WER VERY, VERY, LUCKY THAT GOD SHOWED US HIS GRACE AND MERCY AND SAID SINCE MY OWN PEOPLE WILL NOT ACCEPT ME AS THEIR OWN, I WILL GIVE MY MERCY AND GRACE TO A PEOPLE WHO WILL. ( LONG STORY SHORT)....BUT YOU SIR, ARE 125% WRONG! AND WHAT DOES GOD TELL US TO DO , WHEN WE HAVE OUGHT AGAINST OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST, WE ARE TO TAKE IT TO THEM FIRST, THEN IF IS STILL NOT SETTLED , WE ARE TO TAKE IT TO THE ELDERS OF THE CHURCH. YOU ARE WRONG...AND IM TRYING TO HELP YOU, NOT OFFEND YOU, I DO NOT WANT YOU TO BELIEVE A LIE THAT YOU MAY BE DAMNED FOR....BECAUSE JESUS SAID , IN THE LAST DAY MY PEOPLE WILL BE SENT GREAT DELUSION THAT THEY WILL BELIEVE A LIE AND BE DAMNED , AND MY PERISH FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE...AND THOUGH I BELIEVE THE THE GREAT DELUSION GOOD IS SPEAKING OF WILL BE THE MAN PERDITION WHEN HE COMES ON THE SCENE , I STILL BELIEVE MEN WILL BE BLINDED TO GODS WORD BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT FASTED UP, PRAYED UP AND STUDIED UP IN GODS WORD AND DO NOT DAILY TAKE TIME TO TURN THAT TV OFF FOR 2 HOURS A DAY OR 3 HOURS A DAY AND READ THEIR BIBLE AND GO TO THEIR PRAYER CLOSETS AND JUST SPEND TIME CRYING OUT AND TALKING AND PRAYING TO JESUS ...YOU CANNOT HEAR THAT STILL, SMALL VOICE WHEN YOU HAVE A WHIRLWIND OF ACTIVITY GOING ON IN YOUR HOME AND YOUR LIFE. HE DOES NOT SPEAK IN LOUD THUNDERINGS AS IN THE DAYS OF OLD , IF YOU WANT TO HEAR HIS VOICE, SEEK YE FIRST THE KINDOM OF HEAVEN AND ALL HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS **THEN** ALL THESE THINGS SHALL BE ADDED UNTO YOU.
**** MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU ,
MAY THE LORD MAKE HIS FACE TO SHINE UPON YOU,
AND BE GRACIOUS UNTO YOU,
MAY THE LORD LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON
AND GIVE YOU PEACE,
AND THEY SHALL PUT MY NAME UPON THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL,
AND I WILL BLESS THEM. NUMBERS 6:24-27 {THE lORD'S BLESSING}
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5* stars OP , its a breath of fresh air to see people teaching the truth here .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12359885


thanks pal . its a shame that not many will listen or take heed , this is the truth ...

i have stopped eating pork i also got circumstized which was painfull but these are the laws , people claim to worship yehoshua , but they worship the fake jesus of the vatican , do what you want eat what you want , ... these are lies ...
 Quoting: the truth bringer


This brings up the acts 15 debate, that the elders at Jerusalem wrote concerning

The question was does a man need to be circumcised to be saved.

The answer was, NO, but four minimal requirements for being part of the assembly were set-forth.

But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. Acts 20:20


These are all commands found in the Torah, Leviticus 11 mainly, concerning clean and unclean

why was this all they required at that time?

Because, the believers would learn more each week on the Sabbath, in the synagogue, where the Torah/Moses was taught

For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Acts 20:21
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Sorry lets try that again .

Matthew 15
That Which Defiles
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”

3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:

8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’”

10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”

13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

15 Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”

16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”
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I rarely eat pork and never buy it just a personal outlook. I really don't like it.
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5* stars OP , its a breath of fresh air to see people teaching the truth here .
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thanks pal . its a shame that not many will listen or take heed , this is the truth ...

i have stopped eating pork i also got circumstized which was painfull but these are the laws , people claim to worship yehoshua , but they worship the fake jesus of the vatican , do what you want eat what you want , ... these are lies ...
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YW :) Yeah its pretty frustrating , the problem is many do not know how to read the Word in the right context and butcher it to make their own gospels . Fair play on doing all that , I will be getting circumcised myself soon , not really looking forward to that one but it has to be done :(
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It's pretty funny how most Christians can't find a simple verse that is pretty straight-forward about not eating pork, yet are happily able to twist other verses around to say that sex before marriage isn't allowed.

hf
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Both the Bible and the Qur’an prohibit the eating of pork. Muslims are aware of this prohibition and observe it strictly. However, most readers of the Bible say they do not know where they can find this in the Bible.


In the book of Leviticus, chapter 11, v. 7, it is recorded that God declares the pig to be unclean for believers. Then, in verse 8, God says: “You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.” This command is repeated in Deuteronomy 14:7-8. Then, in Isaiah 65:2-4, and 66:17, God issues a stern warning against those who eat pork.


Some people are aware of this prohibition from God, but they say that they can eat pork because St. Paul said that all food is clean in his letter to the Romans 14:20. St. Paul said this because he believed (as he wrote in his letter to the Ephesians 2:14-15) that Jesus had abolished the Law with all its commandments and regulations. He seems, however, to have misunderstood what he heard about Jesus. In the Gospel According to Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus is reported to have said quite the contrary, as follows: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law . . . ."

Jesus then went on in that passage (in verse 19) to denounce anyone who would break the smallest commandment and teach others likewise. He also praised his true followers who will practice and teach even the smallest commandment. One of the commandments, as we have seen, is to stay away from pork.


This is why the true followers of Jesus, holding on to his teachings, did not let unclean food such as pork enter their mouths, so that Peter, the chief disciple, can say, “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean” (Acts of the Apostles, ch. 10, v. 14)

Five chapters later in the Acts of the Apostles, 15:29, we find that the original disciples still differentiate between clean and unclean foods, and this time Paul is in agreement with them. Six chapters later, in ch. 21, v. 25, their decision to impose food regulations on believers is mentioned without regret, and this time Paul is challenged to prove that he is in agreement with them; and he demonstrated his full agreement with them.

What remains, then, is that Jesus, on whom be peace, upheld the prohibition against pork. His disciples also upheld it, and so must all his followers.
 Quoting: the truth bringer


actually, you misunderstand

the law still stands--the 10 commandments

but the ordinances have been finished--you know, the 613 mitzvots that are impossible to fully do these days since the destruction of the Temple

all that said, I grew up Jewish and I don't eat pork but because it is really unhealthy--not because the law forbids it

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Pork: Did Leviticus 11:7 Have It Right?
Posted By Dr. Mercola | March 01 2012 | 93,502 views




Story at-a-glance
Pork consumption has a strong epidemiological association with cirrhosis of the liver -- in fact, it may be more strongly associated with cirrhosis than alcohol
Other studies also show an association between pork consumption and liver cancer as well as multiple sclerosis.
Several factors may be behind these health risks, including pork raised on grains and seed oils, making it high in omega-6 fats, as well as the fact that most pork consumed in the United States is processed (processed meats are known to increase the risk of cancer)
Being scavenger animals, pigs are also prime breeding grounds for potentially dangerous infections; even cooking pork for long periods is not enough to kill many of the retroviruses and other parasites that many of them harbor (this is true even of pasture-raised pork)
By Dr. Mercola

Levitical guidelines label the pig an "unclean" animal, and prohibit the consumption of pork.

Regardless of your spiritual beliefs, there may be good reason to carefully consider your decision to include pork as part of your diet, as despite advertising campaigns trying to paint pork as a "healthy" alternative to beef, research suggests it may be hazardous to your health on multiple levels.

Pork consumption has a strong epidemiological association with cirrhosis of the liver -- in fact, it may be more strongly associated with cirrhosis than alcohol (although some have questioned the studies that indicate this, and point out that countries with high pork consumption tend to have low obesity rates.)

Other studies also show an association between pork consumption and liver cancer as well as multiple sclerosis.

What's behind this data?
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Matthew 5:17-20

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Not eating pork was symbolic and physically useful seeing that pigs are natures vacuum along with all unclean animals listed in bible.


Matthew 15
“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
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My friends is talking about that dense foods.

That is Pork, Beef and Lamb.

Peace!.
 Quoting: Jesus Barmy Army 6199901


STILL WRONG!! GOD ***** NEVER***** CONTRADICTS HIMSELF ....THAT WAS "OLD TESTAMENT LAW"...AND OLD TESTAMENT LAW WAS ***SPECIFICALLY FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL/JERUSALEM. ARE YOU A jewish ? LIVING UNDER THE OLD TESTAMENT? BECAUSE NOT ONE PERSON ALIVE IS LIVING UNDER THE OLD TESTAMENT.... WE ARE NOW LIVING UNDER "GRACE"...SINCE JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS, AND ROSE AGAIN, WE NOW LIVE UNDER GRACE!!!!!....YOU CANNOT, CANNOT, CANNOT, PICK ONE SCRIOTURE OUT OF THE BIBLE THAT SUITS YOU OR TICKLES YOUR EARS AND USE IT TO YOUR PURPOSE!!! I NOTICED YOU NEVER BOTHERED TO READ ANY OF THE SCRIPTURES BEFORE ISAIAH 15, NOR AFTER ISAIAH 15...."IF" YOU WOULD WOULD HAVE , YOU CLEARLY WOULD HAVE SEEN WITH A DISCERNING SPIRIT THAT GOD WAS SPEAKING TO THE jewish people!!!!!!!....NOT THE GENTILES!!!!......AND HE WAS SPEAKING IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL....FOR THIS REASON "RIGHT HERE"....GOD SAID , IN THE LAST DAYS THERE SHALL BE MANY FALSE PROPHETS, !!!!...THHIS IS WHY YOU DO NOT LISTEN TO MAN...BUT YOU GO HOME AND YOU SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES FOR YOURSELF TO SEE WHAT GODS WORD SAYS....AND YOU KEEP YOUR EYES ON JESUS...NOT MAN!!! MAN WILL LET YOU DOWN , EVERYTIME! JESUS WILL NEVER LET YOU DOWN.
TRY READING THE ENTIRE CHAPTER. BEFORE YOU POST SUCH NONSENSE. YOU WILL BE GIVING AN ACCOUNT TO JESUS FOR EVERY WORD UTTERED OUT OF OUR MOOUTHS WHEN WE STAND BEFORE HIM AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT!!!! EVERY WORD YOU HAVE EVER SAID, GOOD OR BAD...YOU AND I AND EVERYONE WILL GIVE AN ACCOUNT TO JESUS FOR!!!!
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The thing people need to understand is why was Yeshua's blood spilt in the first place ??? It was spilt so that we could atone of sin which equals transgression of the Law . Since the temple was destroyed , people had no way to atone for sin and we all know that one of Yeshua's title was the Lamb of God . This is why his blood was spilt in the first place and to deny the law and sin is to deny the sacrifice and make it null and void .
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This is Annoying!!
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Matthew 5:17-20

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

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[link to www.biblegateway.com]

Galatians 3:15-20

King James Version (KJV)


15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
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In the Parable that YESHUA gave of the Father who has two sons, the elder and the younger

Who are the Two sons ?

They are the House of Judah and the House of Ephraim/Israel

Now tell me which son is the prodigal, Is it Judah or Ephraim?

or is it Both ?

Jer 31:20 Is Ephraim My dear son? Is he a pleasant child? for since I spake against him, I do earnestly remember him still: therefore My bowels are troubled for him; I will surely have mercy upon him, saith YHWH.

Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith Adonai YAHUWAH; Behold, I will take the stick of Yosef, which, in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Yisrael his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Yahudah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in Mine hand.

Isa 11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

Luk 15:31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with Me (House of Judah), and all that I have is thine.

Luk 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother(House of Yisrael) was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Mat 15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

The House of Judah was Never divorced by YAH, Only the House of Israel was divorced Jer 3:8

The younger son was lost, and when any whomsoever believes the Gospel and Receives YESHUA they are grafted into the Olive Tree = The House of Ya'acob

They are not grafted into the House of Yahudah, unless they are Jewish of course, One tree, two Houses

Answer: Both houses are Guilty, the house of Ephraim/Israel, the younger is feeding the pigs when he comes to his senses = Not keeping the Torah, calling His Great Precepts strange, returns to the Father, Keeps His Torah, then there will be a wedding.

The House of Yahudah is guilty for not knowing the time of their visitation, they will look upon the Aleph Tav whom they pierced.


Jhn 10:15 As the Father knoweth Me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down My life for the sheep.

Jhn 10:16 And other sheep (House of Ephraim/Israel) I have, which are not of this fold (House of Judah): them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice; and there shall be one fold, and One Shepherd.

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There are Twelve Gates into the New Jerusalem and each gate is named for one of the Twelve Tribes of Israel


Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city

Most Pastors/Teachers in Christendom have no Idea or what the scriptures teach or even the Gospel.

little wonder the sheep are not fed
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Matthew 5:17-20

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

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[link to www.biblegateway.com]

Galatians 3:15-20

King James Version (KJV)


15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
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[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

Paul was not one of the original 12 Apostles , therefore had zero Authority and his writings were just that , his personal opinion . He never even met Yeshua .

Read the link I provided , it will be the most important thing you read as a Christian after the Word itself of course .

Who do you think Yeshua was alluding to here ???

Revelation 2:2
2 I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.
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It's pretty funny how most Christians can't find a simple verse that is pretty straight-forward about not eating pork, yet are happily able to twist other verses around to say that sex before marriage isn't allowed.

hf
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The 10 Commandments.........one says not to commit adultery, that's pretty clear cut and straight forward, but nothing about pork.

I used to abstain from pork and shelfish, but after doing alot of studying and praying about it, I do eat it now and I don't feel any reservations or guilt about it.

I studied the entire NT to come to that conclusion, not just a few verses.

Let each man decide for himself.
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Gosh, Spain is a catholic country...and the national dish is HAM!!!

crisco

btw...pork lard is used in everything these days...even at the bakery to make the croissants shinier! It's cheap and most vegetarians don't even know they are eating it.
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spain.....your fine!!!! we live under "the grace of god " SINCE HE DIED ON THE CROSS, WE LIVE UNDER THE NEW TESTAMENT....WE DO NOT LIVE UNDER THE OLD TESTAMENT WHICH WAS THE LAW , AND THE LAW WAS WRITTEN FOR THE jewish people ....DOESNT ANYBODY READ THEIR BIBLES ALL THE WAY THROUGH? HASNT ANYBODY FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST WITH EVEIDENCE OF SPEAKING IN TONGUES / THE "GIFT" FROM ON HIGH ,A HEAVENLY LANGUAGE BETWEEN GOD AND YOU THAT NO!!! NOT EVEN THE ANGELS CAN UNDERSTAND!!!!.....DOESNT ANYBODY SPEND DAILY (2-3 HOURS A DAY IN PRAYER WITH JESUS , AND IN FASTING , AND READING THEIR BIBLES THAT THEY WOULD DRAW EVER CLOSER TO THEIR REDEEMER? DOESNT ANYBODY WHILE IN PRAYER, LOST IN PRAYER WITH CHRIST ASK FOR SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND ARE TO COME, AND ASK JESUS TO DIRECT ALL YOUR PATHS? DOESNT ANYONE ASK JESUS TO DIRECT ALL YOUR STEPS AND PRAY AS SOON AS YOU WAKE UP AND BEFORE YOUR FEET HIT THE FLOOR? I DONT WANT TO BE DECEIVED BY THE RAMPANT AND RAGING DEMONIC SPIRITS THAT ARE RIPPING FAMILIES APART THESE DAYS, THAT ARE HURTING LITTLE BABIES, AND THE ELDERLY, AND POISONING OUR FOOD, LEADING PEOPLE ASTRAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO DESIRE TO KNOW THE TRUTH OF GOD AND HIS WORD!!!! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT JESUS SAID WOULD HAPPEN.....YOU *****CANNOT**** CLAIM TO BE A CHRISTIAN WITHOUT SPENDING TIME WITH JESUS *DAILY* IN YOUR PRAYER CLOSET!!!! YOU CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT *FASTING AND PRAYING*, WITHOUT STUDYING HIS WORD EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!, AND PUTTING ON THE WHOLE ARMOR OF GOD!!
DO YOU KNOW WHY GOD GAVE CHRISTIANS ARMOR TO PUT ON FROM THE TOPS OF THEIR HEADS TO THE SOULS OF THEIR FEET? TO COVER EVERYTHING ,EXCEPT THEIR BACK? BECAUSE GOD NEVER INTENDED HIS CHILDREN TO RUN FROM THE BATTLE, AND HE SAID : LOW, I WILL BE WITH YOU, ALWAYS!!!!....HE HAS OUR BACKS!!!


OH, CHILDREN OF GOD ,WAKE UP!!! YOU THINK YOU WILL NOT BE LEFT BEHIND TO ENDUR THE RAPTURE....HERE IS FOOD FOR THOUGHT...THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST IS ***GONE*** BY THE 5TH CHAPTER IN REVELATIONS!!!!! GONE! RAPTURED OUT!...
ARE YOU READY? OR DO YOU JUST THINK YOUR READY? RAPTURE READY IS AN AWESOME WEBSITE TO HELP YOU IF YOUR NOT SURE....AND IT COVERS EVERYTHING SND EVEN HAS SUPER FUNNY HUMOR!
BEHOLD! I COME QUICKLY.BLESSED IS HE THAT KEEPETH THE SAYINGS OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK (REVELATION 22:7)
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Matthew 19:16-21

King James Version (KJV)


16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
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And also, if you believe in not eating pork, you better be keeping a full and proper Kosher Kitchen too. You also better be keeping the entire Law also because those who live by the Law will also be judged by The law.

I live under grace and the 2 commandments that Jesus Himself gave which is:

1. Love God with your whole heart
2. Love your neighbor as yourself

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