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The Vegan Couple Who Starved Their Girl To Death Are "NOT GUILTY" of Murder

 
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The Vegan Couple Who Starved Their Girl To Death Are "NOT GUILTY" of Murder
Vegan couple cleared of starving baby, guilty of child neglect

MIAMI, Florida -- A couple who kept their five children on a strict raw foods diet was cleared of aggravated manslaughter Monday for the death of their 6-month-old baby, but convicted of four counts of child neglect.

A Miami jury returned the verdict after less than 90 minutes of deliberation in the trial of Joseph and Lamoy Andressohn, who were accused of feeding their children an inadequate diet of raw fruits and vegetables in spite of signs that they appeared malnourished and underweight.

The four counts of neglect relate to the Andressohns´ oldest surviving children, ages 4 to 9. They weighed less than 97 percent of other children their ages, according to prosecution testimony, when baby Woyah died on May 15, 2003.

The infant weighed less than 7 pounds and was 22 inches long when she died, less than half the average for children her age, according to prosecution medical experts.

During his closing argument Monday, Assistant State Attorney Herbert Walker told jurors the baby and her siblings became "sacrificial lambs" for their parents´ zealous beliefs.

"This person did not grow and did not thrive, and it was these two people who didn´t feed her," Walker said, pointing at the defendants with one hand and holding in the other a now-familiar picture of the emaciated infant.

With the split verdict, the panel seemed to accept in part the defense theory that baby Woyah died from an infection caused by a congenital defect which weakened her immune system.

Defense attorney Ellis Rubin pointed out that the other four children were raised on the same diet, and that Lamoy Andressohn stopped breast-feeding Woyah´s 18-month-old sister, Rayah, at three months, just as she had Woyah, replacing the milk with a formula of wheat grass, almond and coconut juice.

Rubin also argued that the Andressohns were scapegoats of Florida´s beleaguered Child Protective Services, whose case workers had visited the family´s Homestead home less than a week before Woyah´s death.

The agency had come under fire in an unrelated case when it as discovered a foster child had been missing for eight months. The child, Rilyah Wilson, was never found.

"This case didn´t start with the death of Woyah Andressohn," Rubin said in his closing. "It started when complaints about Mrs. Andressohn´s lifestyle and how she was handling her children were made to the Florida Department of Children and Families."

After the verdict, Lamoy Andressohn, 30, said she looked forward to being reunited with her surviving children, including a new baby girl, Joyah, who was born after the couple´s arrest in June 2003.

Joyah Andressohn lives with an unidentified foster family, although she was spotted outside the courtroom Monday being breast-fed by Lamoy Andressohn.

Joseph Andressohn, 36, echoed his wife´s sentiments.

"I do consider it a victory, although our daughter is still not with us," he said, referring to Woyah.

The pair still face up to 20 years in prison on the four counts of child neglect when they are sentenced on December 15, but could receive probation. A hearing to determine if they will remain free on bond was scheduled Thursday.

Since the Andressohns lost custody in August 2003 pending the outcome of their trial, the other four children have lived with Joseph Andressohn´s sister.

Mary Andressohn, an agent with the Department of Homeland Security testified at trial that the children had each gained at least 10 pounds since moving in with her.

The Andressohns caught their first glimpse of their two oldest sons in two years when the boys testified via video that their parents often locked the refrigerator and taught them that cooked foods were "evil."

It is unclear how the verdict will affect the couple´s current custody arrangement, since the decision ultimately lies with the dependency court, but defense attorney Rubin said he was confident that there would be a "family reunion" within the year.

"They´re not a danger to anybody. They were only doing what they thought was right for the lifestyle of the children," Rubin said.

Prosecutor Walker admitted he was surprised by the verdict but said he accepted the jury´s decision.

"It was a devastating feeling hearing the words ´not guilty´ on first count. Then the feeling of devastation was followed by confusion when I heard ´guilty´ on the second," Walker said, adding he felt there was more evidence to prove manslaughter than neglect.

"Baby Woyah´s death was something I didn´t take lightly, given the circumstances of her death," Walker said. "She was a defenseless child, so the state attempted to speak on her behalf."
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If they indeed are guilty, let YHWH be their Judge and Judge them Justly.

As for the whole case, soon, it will be completely illegal for any parent to raise THEIR child the way they see fit. It practically already is that way, and little else needs to be accomplished when it will be in totality that the state/government OWNS all children.

They will use this and other cases like it to declare parents incompetant as a whole, and if you do not follow their strict guidelines, you will not be able to rear your own flesh and blood. Already parents are seen by the government as nothing more than foster parents, providing child support for what the state owns (the children), and giving them shelter and sustenance. Other than this, almost every right of the parents has been utterly stripped from them, and soon, dietary guidelines will have to be strictly followed, and if not, then you will go to jail for neglect and your children will be passed off to another foster home (this time, state sanctioned).

The jury seen the medical reports, heard the testimonies, they were given the very information of the case, to render a proper verdict, and because it doesnt go in the favor of the government, people cry FOUL! Well, better watch what you cry foul over, because it may come to pass that no longer will you be judged by a jury of your peers, but rather by an inquisition-like tribunal, of those who could really care less about facts!
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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"inadequate diet of raw fruits and vegetables and wheat grass, almond and coconut juice."

"zealous beliefs, they were only doing what they thought was right"

who put this one out, the big packaged food corporations? or was it the fast food restaurants?
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No, I believe it is the anti-personal-liberty-to-raise-your-own-children cult. You know, the one´s who want parents answerable for anything and everything to government.

You see, this world and people have survived all these millenia without government intrusion. They took personal responsibility for their liberties and freedoms, and had no problems doing so. It´s when government gets its slimy hand into the business of families and peoples personal lives, thats when you know it´s a failure. Right now, we are here at this juncture of American politics and the tyrannical beast is about to devour what little remains.

These are the ways in which people react on emotions (which are often the WORST things to act on) and cry for more government intrusion/control, and then government only too gladly steps up to the plate to heed the cry of it´s sheople.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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The power of human arrogance and self-righteousness. Simply amazing.
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IT WAS PROBABLY THE G.E. FOOD THAT KILLED THE CHILD, why would feeing veggies and breast milk ´ kill a child anyway´´´

having a child these days , is dangerous business, it could land you in jail for life,
why take the risk for no pay off , and the kid grows up and ´trashes you anyway´
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~~~Already parents are seen by the government as nothing more than foster parents, providing child support for what the state owns (the children), and giving them shelter and sustenance. Other than this, almost every right of the parents has been utterly stripped from them, ~~~

It is so painful to see so many cases of kids being ripped from parents.

more and more liberties are taken with the children without a protective parent around. strip search for ex. , forced vaccination for example, this leaves trauma on child for life. Many more stories of men taking children to be used as sex slaves. Stick prick has no conscience
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The human species is inherently insane.
The human species is inherently insane.
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Any parents who padlock the refrigerator are abusive at heart. They deserve to lose those children, however foster parents probably will be just as abusive in other ways. The parents have mental problem it seems to me.
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"Any parents who padlock the refrigerator are abusive at heart."



Any? Are you trying to tell me that ANY parent who does so is abusive? Hmmmm, I know of a condition that REQUIRES parents to lock up the fridge and cupboards, because if they didnt, their child would suffer irreparable consequences. I even have a dear friend who must do this because of the condition her great niece has. If she didnt, the child would consume everything in sight, literally feeding herself to death. She is constantly hungry, never achieving the sensation of fulness. If my dear friend DIDNT lock up the fridge and cupboards, she would be placed in prison for CHILD ABUSE/NEGLECT and perhaps even for the death of the child!

You do not know the facts of the case (unless you were a member of the jury, were you AC?). You do not know the reasons for them locking up the fridge, or were you a fly on the wall, knowing all the facts of this family?

You ASSume you think you know best, but infact, you know nothing, and are willing to place the welfare of others before the state, when you probably either mouth off about YOUR personal liberties, but demand that others´ be taken away, or you want government to run the daily affairs in everyone´s personal lives.

These parents will be Judged by the Righteous Judge, not by you, me or the media. In the meantime, they have been judged by a panel of their peers, who found them NOT GUILTY of murder...but found them guilty of neglect.
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I can´t believe this shit. Those two lunkheads are murderers. Wheat grass isn´t appropriate food for an infant. Breastmilk and pureed mild carrots and apples are. And cereal. These morons have driver´s licenses and jobs? They are a menace to society.

Parents don´t have the right to do whatever they want with their kids. See: Menendez brothers. If the law doesn´t punish, the kids will.

Why do only retard Americans do these things?
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If parents treated their kids with respect as fellow human beings and not as property to be used and abused, the state would not need to get involved. As a citizen I demand state protection for children who are too young to ask for it themselves. Should we turn a blind eye and deaf ear to abusive parents and teachers, as used to happen in the olden days? I don´t think so. Your children are citizens, and the Constitutional Bill of Rights applies to them as well as to you.
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It´s because they are black, black people get away like OJ did because the locals don´t want a riot in the town they love. Someday we will have to face the animals out there and take them to a real justice.


I´m not talking about blacks cause I just bought a new car and don´t want it destroyed by disenfrachised black folks.
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You are all correct. The lord says he will give us our daily needs and so I don´t feed my animals or my children. If the lord wants them to live he will feed them, right? I just don´t get it they let us kill totaly innocent babys before they take their first breath, but expect us to feed the little shit box´s.
What is this world coming to?
I believe that we can servive on nails, with all the minerals and such. So I plan on feeding my kids nails and if they die so be it, THE LORDS WILL BE DONE.
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As a parent you are responsible for providing the neccesities of life. If you fail to do so and your child dies as a result, then you are a murderer.

Every minute of every day that they knew those kids were not getting enough to eat was a crime.

Those jurors are idiots. How can a jury system work in a country like the USA where every other person is a certifiable moron? (If you doubt that, just look at results from recent polls) Those people made the childs life hell and then it died as a result. What crime can be more monstrous than that?
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"let YHWH be their Judge and Judge them Justly"

Who?
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in miami you can bet the jurors were niggers and spics. thats why the niggers that murdered their child got off. i´m not racist by the way. just blunt. not all blacks are niggers and not all latinos are spics. i have several friends in each category.
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MIAMI, Florida -- A couple who kept their five children on a strict raw foods diet was cleared of aggravated manslaughter Monday for the death of their 6-month-old baby, but convicted of four counts of child neglect.

^^^

4 counts?

wtf?
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Well, I´d have to hear more. This happened in F-L-O-R-I-D-A!!!! We can´t believe a word that comes out of the legal system´s mouths down there!

I´d have to hear more before I made up my mind on this.
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I don´t know if the poor baby died of starvation or the immune problem, G-d bless her....
It would have been better if the mother had continued to nurse her. I nursed all five of my children. All but one had a long time on breast milk. At six months my babies hardly needed anything else but breast milk. They were very healthy.
Re the formula given to the baby, wheat grass almond and coconut. It seems to me that is a powerful lot of nutrition.
If they were actually skinny it would have been wiser to give them some macrobiotic cereals along with whatever else. I gave my babies kohkoh and macrobiotic rice... Well it remains to be seen if they did anything wrong...
One thing is you don´t let your kids get too skinny. Maybe the immune problem was the main cause of that...?

<"inadequate diet of raw fruits and vegetables and wheat grass, almond and coconut juice." >
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"The four counts of neglect relate to the Andressohns´ oldest surviving children, ages 4 to 9. They weighed less than 97 percent of other children their ages, according to prosecution testimony, when baby Woyah died on May 15, 2003."

neglect for being 3% under the average weight?
in this obesity plagued country?
lmao
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neglect for being 3% under the average weight?
in this obesity plagued country?

no. read it again. the children were 97% under weight.
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blobroopsblobr

still, without all the hormones from meats and insulin like growth factors from all the processed diabetes forming foods you would expect the children to be way smaller than most kids.id wager the difference in weight was due to parasites and fat and congested colons. i bet ten pounds of an average kid is bread and fruit rollups stuck in thier guts.

funny, with our great diets kids are coming down with type 2 diabetes at like 10 years old.
id say that is more neglectful than a raw foods diet.
ive never seen a chimp cook a meal or eat macaroni.
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Was a little of this trial or pre-trial on Court TV? I seem to recall seeing something about this awhile back. Anyway, here´s a link that tells something about the "guardian" these kids were placed with. And why aren´t the weights of these kids given? I have no idea what 22 inches and 7 pounds translates too? Now if they said a 14 year old, 5´2" teenager that weighs 75 pounds I would know they´re too thin. If they say 100 pounds, I´d say they were thin, but not necessarily undernourished.

[link to news.yahoo.com]

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Mary Andressohn avoided eye contact with the defendants Thursday as she testified that the children were healthy and happy in her home, where she feeds them a diet of meat, cooked vegetables and occasional sweets, in contrast to their former diet of raw vegetables, fruit and coconut milk.


The three boys and a girl were suffering from a variety of ailments, she testified, from pneumonia to asthma when they came to live with her.


In comparing the children to when they lived with their parents, Mary Andressohn described them as looking like "starved Ethiopians" from a "Save the Children" commercial.


"They were energetic, but small and short," said Mary Andressohn, a supervisor with the Department of Homeland Security.


Defense attorneys sought to cast the witness, a single woman with no children of her own, as a spinster desperate to claim the Andressohn children for herself.


"Are you seeking permanent custody of the four children?" defense attorney Robert Barrar asked the witness regarding her reasons for testifying.


"If they get convicted, yes," she said. "If they don´t get convicted, no."


In a tense cross-examination, punctuated by Judge Stanford Blake ordering co-counsel Ellis Rubin not to call the witness "Aunt Mary," her fitness as a guardian was also called into question, and she grew evasive as she was questioned about abuse allegations.


"Didn´t the Child Protective Services advise you that you were under investigation for locking the children in a tool shed?" Rubin asked. "Didn´t they also accuse you of other unusual forms of punishment, including stuffing a towel in a child´s mouth?"


"Never heard that one," the witness testily responded.

She admitted that the Department of Children and Families visited the home once and photographed the children based on allegations she had beaten them with a belt.

"There were no marks, and the case was closed," she said.
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i mean they are government property
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Wait a goddamned minute!

Did a search for Andressohns children pics and got this pic:

[link to www.rawfoodinfo.com]

Are these the kids that were supposed to be starving? Look remarkably well cared for. And the baby was born without a thymus gland for God´s sake!!!! How did they expect her to look!!

[link to www.religionnewsblog.com]

"Barrar and his fellow defense lawyer, Ellis Rubin, contend that the Andressohns were targeted in a rush to judgment based on part on their alternative lifestyle, including their desire to feed themselves and their children only natural raw foods. They also say that Woyah suffered from a congenital condition _ lack of a thymus gland needed to build an immune system _ that led to her death."

If that´s the picture of those kids, this case seems politically motivated!!!
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Here´s an alternative viewpoint.

[link to www.rawfoodinfo.com]

On this link:

[link to www.rawfoodinfo.com]

there is this info on the baby´s congenital defect:

Dear W,

The baby was born with two birth defects. One, it did not have a thymus gland. Humans cannot live without a thymus gland. It was amazing that the baby survived as long as it did without a thymus gland.
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Thanks for the update 2880. And yes, it IS a politically motivated case, one in which the government is doing what it can to take all parental authority away from EVERYONE, even those who condone this intrusion!

For those who are advocates of governmental intrusion into the family and the rights of parents to raise their children as they deem right (there are MORE who raise their children without abuse and neglect, than there are who dont!), my first question is, do you have children of your own? Second is, when they (government) come against you for breaking "their" rules of parenting, who will speak up on your behalf? Third, what are you going to say, when you find that you are victimized by the very beast you helped to bring to fruitation?

For those who do not have children, you have no authority to speak for those who do. You hold no weight in your words, because you are ignorant of what being a parent is. You cannot go there, if you havent been there! It would be like someone never having been a drug addict or alcoholic speaking to one, thinking they hold authority and knowledge of such, when they are completely ignorant of any of it.

Too many are too prone to accept the "official" version (charges) of government, thinking governmental authorities actually have their best interest at heart, when it is so totally clear that it is government that wants to destroy not only you, but everything/everyone in your life! Most judge based on what the media says, never examining the FACTS of a case. I would certainly hate appearing infront of a jury with those who jump to judgment based upon hearsay, because they definitely arent a jury of MY peers, but of governmental brainwashed peons.
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"Under questioning from the Andressohns´ attorneys, Brown admitted that he did not attempt to administer aid to Woyah the night she died and instead waited for emergency medical personnel to arrive while preserving the apartment scene for Miami-Dade homicide detectives. Woyah was pronounced dead on May 15, 2003, at Homestead Hospital.

"You did nothing to help resuscitate the child, right?" asked defense lawyer Robert Barrar.

"I was following my department guidelines," Brown replied."


Yeah, preserving a "crime scene" is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than giving medical help to a DYING INFANT, right? Yup, sure do have the best interest of the child at heart, hmmmmm.
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I don`t know whats going on lately, but the headlines today are disgusting! I don`t know if more of this is happening or more is being reported.

This from the Palm Beach Post for today
[link to www.palmbeachpost.com]


1.
Police: Mom injected
her kids with her blood
Woman confesses she deliberately sickened three children, ages 1 to 4, to win attention.


2.Police: Man stuffed boy in freezer



3. Police: Man locked up girl for 2 years
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Those older children look like the picture of health to me.
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