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Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?

 
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Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
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Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9277476


Cause they are both one and the same. Lucifer was referring to any bright rebel that dare questions the current powers that be

In Jesus's time he stood up to the High Priests and Pharisees and called them hypocrites.

Look where it led him, to be tried and crucified

Jesus was a Lucifer Just like Prometheus was. Prometheus loved people and wanted to give them fire and light. But the Gods disagreed and punished him for falling out of line.
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Because the Catholics transcribed the name Lucifer into the things assorted with Evil because He defied the Pope.+
The Self-Annointed Golden Elohim; Israel's Foresaken.
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
BECAUSE ALLAH SAID SO

NOW GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD

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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
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It also explains the duality of God; you realize all He has to offer is Heaven or Hell and He is the Master of Both.
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9277476


The bright morning star and son of the morning are not the same .
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
bingo

two sides of the same coin.
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9277476


Very Good question !
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it don`t actually say they are both "Morning star
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One is "The Bright Morning star"
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and the other is "son of the morning"
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2 different things,just read again your about quote EVERY word and u too will see
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Jesus actually pairs with Satan, but Satan is the fallen aspect of Lucifer. The counterpart for Lucifer is Christ.
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9277476


Morning STAR and SON of the morning are not the same as you well know!
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9277476


The bright morning star and son of the morning are not the same .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12426113


thumbs
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Haha, you left out the quote from Revelations that says in The End of Days Jesus will be revealed as The Morning Star.
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bingo

two sides of the same coin.
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ohyeah
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9277476


I am pretty sure Osiris was the first morning star and represents both the christ and Satan concept. Another concept the bible ripped off from an older belief system
SANCTUS SATANAS SANCTUS

DOMINUS DIABOLUS SABAOTH

SATANAS - VENIRE!!!

SATANAS - VENIRE!!!


AVE SATANAS!!! AVE SATANAS!!!


TUI SUNT CAELI

TUA EST TERRA

AVE SATANAS!!!
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
cuz the occultists/powers that be worship the spirits of planets and the morning star represents the spirit of Venus associated with Jesus and Lucifer.
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9277476


I am pretty sure Osiris was the first morning star and represents both the christ and Satan concept. Another concept the bible ripped off from an older belief system
 Quoting: Shamad


It depends on if God likes you or not; He can be as sweet as Jesus are meaner than The Devil.
The Self-Annointed Golden Elohim; Israel's Foresaken.
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
I am the Devil LOL
SANCTUS SATANAS SANCTUS

DOMINUS DIABOLUS SABAOTH

SATANAS - VENIRE!!!

SATANAS - VENIRE!!!


AVE SATANAS!!! AVE SATANAS!!!


TUI SUNT CAELI

TUA EST TERRA

AVE SATANAS!!!
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
I always use Young's literal translation


How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations.
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Uffffffffffffffff why pinned WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
1.Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.’
Isaiah 45:6-8 (in Context) Isaiah 45 (Whole Chapter)


THAT'S RIGHT FOLKS... YAHWEH GOD DOES IT ALL! HE IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST... AND IT DON'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK, "EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL CONFESS THE CREATOR'S MAJESTY, NO MATTER WHAT!

Now, when we learn what "Salvation" truly is, then all of us will know who we truly are.

Therefore do things and be a part of those things which create Life.

This why Homosexuality is an abomination before the creator of all things; HOMOSEXUALITY DOES NOT CREATE LIFE! HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOTHING MORE THEN THE EXPRESSION OF A SELF-CENTERED PERVERSE SPIRIT!

Homosexuality,Murder, Greed, Gluttony, and all the like are Life's CANCER!
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9277476


To the ancients the Sun was an expression of a perfect circle in the sky.

To make a circle you needed PI
Ancient PI is derived from each of those verses.

Rev 22:16 as 22:7 or 22/7 = 3.142857

Isa 14:12 as 14:3 or 3.14


The 1st book of the Bible gives you ancient PI with
22 letters in Hebrew and 7 creation days.

22/7 = 3.142857

The Last book of the Bible gives you ancient PI with
Rev 22:16 to be taken as 22/7 = 3.142857


Thus it comes 'full cicle" from beginning to end.


~SE~
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
There's some weirdo Mormon tie-in to this, right?

yeahsure
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Uffffffffffffffff why pinned WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
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you mad bro?

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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
it refers to his job before he fell

LUCIFER BORE THE LIGHT
THE LIGHT BEARER
O Lucifer, son of the morning! alluding to the star Venus, which is the phosphorus or morning star, which ushers in the light of the morning, and shows that day is at hand; by which is meant, not Satan, who is never in Scripture called Lucifer, though he was once an angel of light, and sometimes transforms himself into one, and the good angels are called morning stars, Job 38:7 and such he and his angels once were; but the king of Babylon is intended, whose royal glory and majesty, as outshining all the rest of the kings of the earth, is expressed by those names; and which perhaps were such as he took himself, or were given him by his courtiers. The Targum is,

"how art thou fallen from on high, who was shining among the sons of men, as the star Venus among the stars.''

Jarchi, as the Talmud (c), applies it to Nebuchadnezzar; though, if any particular person is pointed at, Belshazzar is rather designed, the last of the kings of Babylon. The church of Rome, in the times of the apostles, was famous for its light and knowledge; its faith was spoken of throughout all the earth; and its bishops or pastors were bright stars, in the morning of the Gospel dispensation:

how art thou cut down to the ground; like a tall tree that is cut down, and laid along the ground, and can never rise and flourish more, to which sometimes great monarchs and monarchies are compared; see Isaiah 10:18 and this denotes that the king of Babylon should die, not a natural, but a violent death, as Belshazzar did, with whom the Babylonish monarchy fell, and never rose more; and this is a representation of the sudden, violent, and irrecoverable ruin of the Romish antichrist, Revelation 18:21,




A SIMILAR ALLUSION IS GIVEN IN THIS PASSAGE

4Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.


2Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

3Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:


12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

ALSO KING OF KINGS IS USED, ANOTHER TITLE OF JESUS INHERITANCE
Nobody ever mentions this funny enough, but it all shows the when God sent his Son Jesus, Jesus had come to take back all the Devil had stolen, and thus he also would reclaim everything that was lost in EDEN on SINFUL man's behalf to recconect man spiritually with God and Destroy mans captivity to the DEVIL

7For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings,

[link to kingjbible.com]
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Jesus comes as the Sun. Satan is Venus, trying to copy the Sun (Son).

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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
There's some weirdo Mormon tie-in to this, right?

yeahsure
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not really no
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
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cool story, bro
--"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos.
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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
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Read the Isaiah 14 "Lucifier" quote in context.

Lucifer is a descriptive term for the [human] King of Babylon.

At that time, Babylon was the evil empire that ruled the [known] world...
so the power of the king of Babylon was akin to the president of the USA...
only the Babylonian king was more powerful because he had no congress or constitution.



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Re: Why are Jesus and Lucifer both refered to as the "Morning Star"?
Jesus comes as the Sun. Satan is Venus, trying to copy the Sun (Son).

anonstoner
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That all comes from Him hiding His Goddessess existence; to keep Her safe. He allowed Her to be erased and helped them in a lot of cases to do it; why do you think the Catholics practice celebacy, quote unquote, and call Venus Evil. It's the planet of love named after Her.
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If you don't believe that JESUS and the BIBLE has to do with PI,
then why is his lineage divided into 3 sets of 14 names?

"A noteworthy characteristic of Matthew’s genealogy is the division of Christ’s ancestors into 3 groups of 14 "

3.14 for the Sun of God.
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