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Animals Do Have Souls!

 
Uptodate32
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We as humans do not have souls because we are a soul we just have a body.....
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The Book of Enoch eh! lol here the deal buddy, the Book of Enock is like the book of Nastrodamus, and the Mayan Calendar, neither of them are fond in the Bible, an nor is the book of Enoch, as you well know.

But as a Christian, I have the up most respect for all animals, they are creature of God given to us to take care of, which we have failed to do I will freely admit, but your claim for animal having souls hold no water here.

Later buddy :-)
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03/17/2012 05:11 PM
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Of course they have souls.

A small percentage of god soul that is, let me explain, most of humanity have part god soul part animal soul, people that have a large percentage of animal soul are more violent verbally and physically and are drove by their earthly passions of sex and food.

On the other hand, people with more god soul are more well mannered, smart and clever, care less about food, sex and ego.


From my life experience I can give a few examples:

Extremist Muslims that are easily controlled and behave like animals in every aspect have about 10% god soul, probably less.

Dolphins, cats, dogs, whales, some breeds of monkeys have between 0.1%-3% god soul.

Cattle and other mammals have about 0.1% or less.

Birds, fish, insects have less than 0.01%.

Vegetation have only trace amounts.
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This lisa woman is frutier then fruit cakecrazy
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know why Da Vinci is my hero? cos when he walked in the markets he was known for buying the birds men were selling in cages,then opened the cage and watched them fly off,everyone said he was nuts,id rather follow him and be barking.
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You do not have a soul, you are a soul, animals are also souls.
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I hate animals.
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03/17/2012 05:18 PM
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Note:

Although they do have a certain amount of god soul, animals certainly do not have all of the god given rights humans have.

They have a right for life, respect, bear arms and defend themselves if they need to.
They don't have freedom of movement, no right for shelter, food and medical aid.

They obviously have no right to vote and no legal right to sue a person in court.
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No they do not.

Animal only can be USED to food and to remove their skin to make clothes.

FUck the animals.
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Anonymous Coward
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The Bible is pretty much silent on the issue of whether or not animals have souls. The christian community is divided on the issue too, some believe, and some don't.

Well, time to put that issue to rest. Yes, animals have souls! The thousands of NDE's aren't proof positive for some believers because they don't believe in NDE's. Well then, this is for you.

The Second Book of Enoch contains this testimony from Enoch, who was taken and shown Heaven and Hell, and everything in between. This is what he says regarding animals.

Chapter 58 & 59 says:

"The Lord will not judge a single soul of an animal for humanity's sake, but judges human should with regard to their animals in this world, as humans have a special place. Just as human should will not perish, neither will animals perish. Animals' soul will not perish, nor will and soul of an animal which the Lord created. At the great judgment, they will accuse people, if they have not fed them well. "Whoever defiles the soul of animals, defiles their own soul"

So, what does that mean? It means that animals all have souls too that live on after the death of the body. It also says that the souls of animals are not judged because they had a lower position on the earth, they are not sinful because they were not human. It also means that if you abused an animal, the soul of that animal will testify against you in heaven before the Father on judgment day.

The souls of all animals go to heaven, they are not judged, they are not sinful, and they will have a say on judgment day.

Yes, God created all the animals and He called His creation "good". Not even one sparrow falls from a tree without Him knowing about it.

So, if you're grieving over a lost pet, rest assured that the soul of that animal is alive and well in heaven.


bUT Lisa , GODS word says , there will be NO DOGs in heaven.

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 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa
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Note:

Although they do have a certain amount of god soul, animals certainly do not have all of the god given rights humans have.

They have a right for life, respect, bear arms and defend themselves if they need to.
They don't have freedom of movement, no right for shelter, food and medical aid.

They obviously have no right to vote and no legal right to sue a person in court.
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i bet you believe money has a soul, lol
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Note:

Although they do have a certain amount of god soul, animals certainly do not have all of the god given rights humans have.

They have a right for life, respect, bear arms and defend themselves if they need to.
They don't have freedom of movement, no right for shelter, food and medical aid.

They obviously have no right to vote and no legal right to sue a person in court.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12631501


I don't think some of the things you've listed are god given rights, I do not think he intended thing like greedy governments or the need to vote for them for a start. That's a man made right.
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I don't understand how Christians, particularly Catholics, can be divided on this issue.

Saint Francis is the patron saint of ANIMALS! His best friends were animals, he baptized animals, he said we shared a brotherhood with animals and that animals were to be loved and respected.

So he, a Catholic Christian, would be the first to say that animals had a soul.

I still can't believe how Christians or the church can be divided on this issue when one of our own saints believed animals were special and had a place in God's kingdom.
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Note:

Although they do have a certain amount of god soul, animals certainly do not have all of the god given rights humans have.

They have a right for life, respect, bear arms and defend themselves if they need to.
They don't have freedom of movement, no right for shelter, food and medical aid.

They obviously have no right to vote and no legal right to sue a person in court.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12631501


I don't think some of the things you've listed are god given rights, I do not think he intended thing like greedy governments or the need to vote for them for a start. That's a man made right.
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Yup it is, my mistake.
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Note:

Although they do have a certain amount of god soul, animals certainly do not have all of the god given rights humans have.

They have a right for life, respect, bear arms and defend themselves if they need to.
They don't have freedom of movement, no right for shelter, food and medical aid.

They obviously have no right to vote and no legal right to sue a person in court.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12631501


i bet you believe money has a soul, lol
 Quoting: theCOOCH


I believe you don't have more than 20% god soul.
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Right on

Never knew anyone else knew. I've hunted, loved, and held friends as their Spirits returned to Our Father. Blackfoot Indian and I don'tuch worry about public opinion. I can walk with you and teach and I can also have your lunch.
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yes animals have souls, many of you have been animals in past lives:)


some people probably would like to think they don't so that they would not feel bad about eating them...


oh well, truth is truth and shall be known:)



im not sure if every animal has a soul at this moment or if the soul arrives when an animal is loved or feels love...


i feel that souls arrive into animals body when there is something to be experienced that is new...or when an animal is loved or has a chance to show love..



know what i mean?


notice how an animal is just an animal until you show it some love then it comes to life?
Anonymous Coward
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i hate christians, most of them are so full of shit and know it all. the bible is man-written bullshit to have control over others, nothing else.

i do believe in souls and that goes for everyone and everything that exists on this world and in all unsiverses.
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Lisa have you actually read Enoch I & II?

Pretty clear to me Enoch was taken up to a space ship. That is why those books are not included in the bible.
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I agree Lisa even though the books of Enoch are not in
the bible my spirit bears witness with them. Much info
here. Good post.
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i hate christians, most of them are so full of shit and know it all. the bible is man-written bullshit to have control over others, nothing else.

i do believe in souls and that goes for everyone and everything that exists on this world and in all unsiverses.
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OMG.
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All things contain consciousness.

A soul?

Well, if that you mean consciousness then yes.
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I'm confused, the book of enoch isn't in the bible, I keep hearing that the books that were excluded from the bible were not the world of God, but you've used it as an example of animals having souls.

Does this mean that we shouldn't eat animals?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12623942


Well, you need to look at WHO decided that it shouldn't be included and WHY. Jesus's own brothers quoted from the Book of Enoch, so that's pretty much good enough evidence for it as far as I'm concerned.

No, it does not mean that you shouldn't eat animals, but if you want to be a vegetarian, that's great.

In the New Earth, in His Holy Kingdom, I don't believe we be eating animals.
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Why wouldn't we eat animals in the new kingdom?? He gave Noah the ok to eat meat.
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white trash don't
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man was given dominion over the animals, fish, birds.
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I'm convinced animals live on. My dog was staring at something in the bushes last year. She looked so pretty at full attention I took a pic of her. But when I got the pic back....what she was staring at was the ghost of a beagle! I showed this to some friends who said it must have been a dog standing there that I didn't see. I said no dog was there, I would have seen it and she would have chased it. I went back three days in a row to try to recapture what I had taken....could not be done.
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yes animals have souls, many of you have been animals in past lives:)


some people probably would like to think they don't so that they would not feel bad about eating them...


oh well, truth is truth and shall be known:)



im not sure if every animal has a soul at this moment or if the soul arrives when an animal is loved or feels love...


i feel that souls arrive into animals body when there is something to be experienced that is new...or when an animal is loved or has a chance to show love..



know what i mean?


notice how an animal is just an animal until you show it some love then it comes to life?
 Quoting: hugs 10918646


Same with humans, or do you think every human possesses a soul from the start? it has to be developed.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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Well duh!
Of course they do, I've had this debate with my siblings who think that only domesticated animals have souls... Yet I don't really understand how that could be and not the rest of the population of animals wild or domesticated. Hell plants do too, but on a different level than them and us.
Insects too. If they didn't have a soul... would they be living today? Would they even feel pain? They all do on a different level than our understanding.
To say otherwise is not only wrong but obtuse. We can clearly see that they're all affected by pain if their hurt and can clearly see that they have an understanding of affection on some level with their family, even non-family for some cases where the mother adopts a baby from a different species as their own.
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No they do not.

Animal only can be USED to food and to remove their skin to make clothes.

FUck the animals.
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NO. You will find out someday that you are wrong.
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Now if only we can prove people have souls. sheepdance
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Now if only we can prove people have souls. sheepdance
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A soul is the living energy that is going through your body and brain to allow you to be alive and to have a consciousness of self. As energy doesn't die but it's transmuted, when your organic body rots, that energy continues on. In what form? well that's debatable, but the ancient mystics used to argue, very convincingly btw, that the soul passed onto another plane of existence.

It's worth giving it a thought.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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The bible is NOT silent on the subject. Will write more on that when I've got time. Have studied this in-depth.

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