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Here are some truths that I feel we need to address to move beyond this physical reality.

 
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- Our soul/inner spiritual consciousness was never born and will never die. We are truly infinite and powerful spiritual beings.

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you call this a fact? I think it's a fact that our lives are finite, beginning at conception and ending at brain death.

- We are not this frail, finite, physical body. We are very advanced spiritual beings that come to this dense physical reality to learn from it. We volunteered to come experience this dense, restricting and difficult reality. Only the strongest of the strong volunteered for this amazing challenge.

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I would contend that we in fact, ARE our frail physical bodies. You are the one making a positive claim of existence, which means that the burden of proof lies on you. Can you prove that we are anything more than physical? No? Then maybe you are just fantasizing.

- We will continue to live many, many incarnations here until we begin to understand what truly powerful spiritual beings we really are and begin to understand that it is within our power to leave whenever we want. Many people consider us to be slaves in this reality. Yes, we are! BUT, once we begin to remember who we really are, we can't be held here any longer. We are really more powerful than most of us can imagine.

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More nonsense. So you believe that once we figure out that we are powerful and spiritual beings we will escape physical reality right? Who told you this? Where does this idea come from? Do you have any proof whatsoever?

- Until we understand that we must walk through this world alone, we will never become the advanced beings we really are. Each of us have a unique path to follow through this world. Your path is not my path. Until we stop depending on a teacher, guru, master, preacher or partner to show us the way, we will never be free. This is a solitary journey and so we must walk our path alone.

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If we must learn these so called "facts" on our own, why do you bother posting this nonsense? Aren't you claiming the title of teacher now? Why should I bother listening to you? (I shouldn't)


That's enough for now. I'm getting sick and tired of these bullshit new age posts of utter nonsense. I bet it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy to think that you have some kind of superior knowledge about human beings to the rest of us. You really don't. You are delusional.
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I do not intend to confer with OP's version of truths but do know one thing for sure. A fact does not equal a truth.
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So, give me some third dimensional evidence, as in you've been able to move beyond this physical reality and can actually prove it. Otherwise..................

Spider Solitaire!
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I will try to address each paragraph above in order if I can.

In this time of awakening, you will attain the spiritual enlightenment of this "Wise Ones"! Because it is time. You would not be identifying with this thread if you were not an old soul also.

Don't worry about what is to come. In a higher sense it has already been decided whether we will return and learn some more or return home. So, try to just relax and enjoy this amazing ride.

There are no rolls of the dice or coincidences in this world. Our lives have already been planned out before we came here in this incarnation. By who? Guess. By YOU! *smile* This is the way you planned this life because that is what you needed at this time. Cool huh?

Don't worry what will or won't come to pass. Just try and deal with your own internal issues. That is your concern now. Not the drama around you.

In conclusion, the best advice that I could give anyone is to not live in fear. Fear is our worst and most powerful adversary. Just try to follow life's flow and find love, peace and balance in your life.

Peace and love my friend.
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Thanks for the response.

However, the idea that all things are pre-determined seems almost as bad as random reincarnation.

For instance, having read your original post, having read many similar messages, having studied Buddhism, Zen Buddhism, Taoism, certain writings on metaphysics, and also having formulated my own ideas and practiced meditation, I feel I have the knowledge to move forward. But do I have the discipline? Have I lived a disciplined, spiritual life? Not by a long shot. I'm the first one to contribute a racist rant on this very forum every time something happens in the news. I defile my body with tobacco and excess caffeine. I covet all sorts of techie toys like the best new graphics cards and the best new games. I would rather visit a porn site than a site about spiritual awakening. I hurt those I love. I'm selfish. I'm argumentative. And worst of all, I'm at peace. I'm at peace with all these things!

So, in short, my spirit and mind know what's best, but my body, my desires, my prejudices, my ego, my materialism get the better of me almost all the time. To put it another way, I know the path to heaven but I'm all too happy on the road to hell.

If life---and our next life---are truly pre-determined as you suggest, I fear that my next iteration will be that of a slug. And yet, your original message offers hope. How can the two be reconciled?
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How can the two be reconciled?
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You have to do that. *smile*
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This is excellent OP much of my understanding is similar or the same excepting the walk alone part, i feel we walk together and learn from each other but perhaps you mean actually each improvement we make must be our own realization.

Anyway, Excellent OP.

cheers

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1123581321,
Is it a sin to kidnap, torture, repeatedly rape and then murder a little girl?


1123581321,

Ted Bundy kidnapped , raped and murdered at least 30 women.

1123581321,

Is Ted Bundy a sinner?



Any honest among you

take note.

Such simple straight forward questions

and the OP can't say yes.



This is the abject moral bankruptcy of the God-haters.

This is the abject moral bankruptcy of the antichrists.


This is the abject moral bankruptcy of OP 1123581321.
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The universe which held the constellation containing the planet Earth was so small that it was not noticeable. This universe with its stars, planets, and suns was one of many which fitted into other, greater universes like wood atoms into a pipe bowl. All together, they were like grains of sand upon a beach which stretched into infinity.
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Show your true infinity or admit you cannot because you are not.
We are truly infinite
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That's how far it took to get to absolute bullshit.

You are extremely limited and finite.

What is my name, Mr. Infinite?

You can't even answer THAT simple freaking finite question.

STOP JERKING YOURSELF AND OTHERS OFF. IT MATTERS
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This is excellent OP much of my understanding is similar or the same excepting the walk alone part, i feel we walk together and learn from each other but perhaps you mean actually each improvement we make must be our own realization.

Anyway, Excellent OP.

cheers

Frater
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Let me see if I can put it another way. We can have family, friends, loved ones around us. We can seek insight from others like this thread. But, in the end we have to walk our own path. To do what is only right for us. If we try to do what anyone says we should do and do what they do, it is not right for us. Our path is unique to us and can be very lonely at times.

I hope that helped.

Peace
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I shout into the darkness and a few heed the call. That is as it has always been.
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What "call"?

What is your authority?

Whatever the hell YOU think??

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ANSWER OP.
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YOU ARE A SELF-DECEIVED DECEIVER DECEIVING ONLY THE WILLINGLY DECEIVED.
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I'm so glad i found this forum.
Thanks for the post, never read things like these though it
sounded very familiar. Had the exact same concept of god, never imagined it with the drops.. a very good explanation =)
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AND YOU ARE FULLY ACCOUNTABLE TO JESUS CHRIST FOR MORE THAN JUST YOURSELF BUT FOR ALSO WILLINGLY KNOWINGLY AND DELIBERATELY DECEIVING OTHERS ALSO.
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How can the two be reconciled?
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You have to do that. *smile*
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Please OP...not now, but at some point when you have time, please try to offer more than that. I know in your original message you said we all walk alone, that ultimately we have to learn for ourselves, but if one spirit can't offer the occasional nudge to another, what's the point in all this cohabitation to begin with?
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I just love when people have come to same conclusions as me.. It gives me this soothing sensation.. I'm not alone with my thoughts. There still lies great uncertainty in everything and I dont personally dare to address anything as a "truth". One can only find truths from withing and they arent many but objective truths are almost impossible to confirm.
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AND YOU CAN NEVER SAY YOU DID NOT KNOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD.
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How can the two be reconciled?
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You have to do that. *smile*
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Please OP...not now, but at some point when you have time, please try to offer more than that. I know in your original message you said we all walk alone, that ultimately we have to learn for ourselves, but if one spirit can't offer the occasional nudge to another, what's the point in all this cohabitation to begin with?
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OP, forget my request. Seeing the posts from other people on this thread, I see that you have your hands full. I'll ponder your original post and seek my answers elsewhere. Thank you for your contribution to the forum and I'm sorry that such a simple, pure message is being "kidnapped" by the moral authority.
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A giant hand, so big it spanned the course of comets, rose up and plucked a star out of the sky, then another and another. Each night the hand returned and took more stars. The nights grew blacker and longer, but no one noticed for no one looked up any more.
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Ah, sweet onanism. :)

There's an old song, "In heaven there is no beer, that's why I'm drinking it here".

The mechanism, post-death as I understand it, is that you get a re-run of your life, as if watching a film. Except this time, you feel everything of the interactions you have with others, their emotions, their joy and pain, the physical suffering you may have caused them. No-one judges but yourself. That is the "completion" of an incarnation.

So we are free to do exactly as we please, but must accept that the bill has to be paid later. Imagine the run-through Pol Pol or Himmler have enjoyed in the next world. You don't need Hell. It's entirely self-regulating.
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How can the two be reconciled?
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You have to do that. *smile*
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Please OP...not now, but at some point when you have time, please try to offer more than that. I know in your original message you said we all walk alone, that ultimately we have to learn for ourselves, but if one spirit can't offer the occasional nudge to another, what's the point in all this cohabitation to begin with?
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I'm sorry for not answering this question. I have to say that I only post on GLP because I want to expose people to these ideas. Many will remember these ideas as soon as they read them as many have done here. But the trolls are not fun for me.

Please go and read through my earlier threads. That will help some. But, the best thing for you to do is to find some quiet time alone and contemplate what we have discussed here. Try to stop your mind/ego for a little while and just listen to your heart. It will never lead you astray.

Then pursue these ideas further if you find that they feel right to you.

Follow your heart my friend.
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Hehe I astral project'd for quite a while now and I can confirm your words are true , try it out skeptics stop being closed in a box or at least don't post comments regarding something most of you can't even begin to conceive. Thanks OP for your words of wisedom.Peace and 5* hfhf
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I just love when people have come to same conclusions as me.. It gives me this soothing sensation.. I'm not alone with my thoughts. There still lies great uncertainty in everything and I dont personally dare to address anything as a "truth". One can only find truths from withing and they arent many but objective truths are almost impossible to confirm.
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Yes, we can only listen to our own hearts for the truth. That is a scary thing for many to do though.
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Hehe I astral project'd for quite a while now and I can confirm your words are true , try it out skeptics stop being closed in a box or at least don't post comments regarding something most of you can't even begin to conceive. Thanks OP for your words of wisedom.Peace and 5* hfhf
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Posts like this are worth the troll bashing.
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Everyone ~ Everything ~ has it's time(~)...You're on the Path of Wisdom(~).

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I feel that I now am because I am now so happy! I have never been this happy. If I told you how I am living, you would laugh at me. *smile* Or ridicule me...

Peace
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no ridicule from me ~ Judge and be Judged(~).
Happiness is the Goal(~).

Just make sure it's Your Wisdom you follow! rockon

Here's some advise: the sooner you put the "religitards" on your block list, the better(~) :)

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We get the powers over us that we've earned collectively. Humanity, as a whole, is self-interested, shallow, ignorant, violent and immoral; small wonder, therefore, that our leaders (secret or otherwise) reflect that. You want better leaders, become better people.

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OP and others.

Have you started noticing how everything is interwoven in our reality. People we meet, see, or talk to seem to all connect. I see this more and more daily over the past six months.

Peace
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I thought that I would write down some key ideas that I believe we must come to grips with before we can begin to become the advanced beings we really already are. These ideas may seem simple at first, but they are much more complex and difficult than most of us realize. There are other concepts that I have not included or addressed here. My only purpose in posting this bullet list is to get people to begin to think about these ideas and to pursue them by listening to their heart.

You may find these concepts to be complete BS! That is completely OK. I don't expect anyone to take what I say as truth. We each must find our own truth. All I would say is to begin to question these ideas and see if they ring true in your heart. If they don't, just move on. We are all on our own unique journey.

Go in peace,
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- Our soul/inner spiritual consciousness was never born and will never die. We are truly infinite and powerful spiritual beings.

- We are not this frail, finite, physical body. We are very advanced spiritual beings that come to this dense physical reality to learn from it. We volunteered to come experience this dense, restricting and difficult reality. Only the strongest of the strong volunteered for this amazing challenge.

- We will continue to live many, many incarnations here until we begin to understand what truly powerful spiritual beings we really are and begin to understand that it is within our power to leave whenever we want. Many people consider us to be slaves in this reality. Yes, we are! BUT, once we begin to remember who we really are, we can't be held here any longer. We are really more powerful than most of us can imagine.

- Until we understand that we must walk through this world alone, we will never become the advanced beings we really are. Each of us have a unique path to follow through this world. Your path is not my path. Until we stop depending on a teacher, guru, master, preacher or partner to show us the way, we will never be free. This is a solitary journey and so we must walk our path alone.

- Our earthly family is not our real family. Our earthly family are usually just beings that came together for this incarnation to learn from each other. Our family here are not people we can depend on any more than any other people in the world. In truth, all living beings are our brothers and sisters, not just the ones we consider our immediate family.

- Our mind/ego is not who we really are. When we listen to our mind/ego to guide us instead of our heart, we will forever be led astray. It is only once we learn to quiet our mind/ego and to listen to the subtle messages from our heart that we will begin to follow our true path.

- Fear is our worst and toughest adversary. If we understand that we are really infinite beings, we will begin to understand that we really have nothing to fear in this world. Fear distracts us from our true path and keeps us lost and confused. Usually our greatest fears are issues that we need to address the most. Our fears are teaching us a lesson to learn from. As crazy as it may seem, embrace your fears and deal with them with courage and love in your heart.

- There are some beings that have not been incarnating here on Earth for very long and are really quite immature souls. However, there are some beings that have been incarnating here on Earth for a very long time. These are known to us as old souls. The young immature souls are like young children, at times doing bad things, throwing temper tantrums and hurting others. One spiritual being is not better or higher than any other, we are just each at a different point in our journey. Jesus, Buddha and Krishna were old souls and there have been many others that we are not even aware of. They have always been around to guide us. Evil people are just immature souls and are learning from every mistake they make.

- What is God? Imagine every living creature in this universe as a drop of water and God as the ocean. Therefore, with this view you can see that we are each a PART of God. We are all therefore truly brothers and sisters. We are not lower level children to be controlled and guided by God. We are all really a unique, piece or fractal of God! Therefore we are all sons/daughters of God.
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Thanks for an excellent post.
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no ridicule from me ~ Judge and be Judged(~).
Happiness is the Goal(~).

Just make sure it's Your Wisdom you follow! rockon
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If I listen to my heart, it never leads me astray. As soon as I get afraid, greedy or angry and listen to my mind/ego, it bites me in the ass every time. *grin*
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Follow your heart my friend.
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Yes, we can only listen to our own hearts for the truth.
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"And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."


"And he did evil, because he prepared not his heart to seek the LORD."


"Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked every one in the imagination of their evil heart: therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this covenant, which I commanded them to do; but they did them not."


"For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:"


"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"

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