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The Book of Enoch, ETs, and the Church Coverup

 
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Jesus was the first perfected human being who became the Christ, of which we have the same capability.
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on no he wasn't. He was a christ before he incarnated here and there are many of them, for the universe is very old. but you are right, eveny one has the potential. Jesus, as Michael of Nebadon does set up the fancy schooling system for your progress, but being a Son of God, comes from the FATHER FRAGMENT, which comes FROM the UNIVERSAL FATHER. Basically any thinking free willed being in one way or another is a Son of God. Many of the beings in the Ot were not angels at all, but advanced PEOPLE from more advanced worlds. That would include the ones in the story of Sodom and Gomorra. Your bible aternately calls them MEN and Angels. They were PEOPLE.
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Candace, you said before that you would not enter my threads and post. If you continue to post here, do not expect me to go back and erase them for you later.
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"polluted mankinds DNA"

Mankind = kind of man = white people. The black man is the original MAN. Hence the Black gene being dominant and the white gene (mankind) being recessive (weaker). Just stating the facts. This alien blood mixing shit doesn't apply to blacks.


Carry on.
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Of course he is... Now if he cold just act like the super man he is and make Africa less of a swill pool. Come on, original man, lead us to glory!!!
 Quoting: derp 10775138


in another scared text called the book
of Adam and Eve

there was a river inside Eden that
turned any human's skin white.

that was left out of the canon as well :)
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sources?
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Okay - I'm going to interject something here......something that seems to confirm what I have long suspected about the human race in general.....

All of these questions - when viewed through this particular lens....are very neatly answered.

I am NOT saying that I know this information is FACTUAL. Not at all. But it answers so very many questions....especially all of the existential ones.

I think it is possible that WE, (that would be us humans), are the fallen angels. This link I am sharing goes into this in great detail....

[link to angelfall.com]

The author uses mathematics - or Theomatics, as he calls it, to make his case.

Just read this....and think about all of these questions.....and determine for yourself if this may not be true.

I, for one, am leaning towards this conclusion.

The "sons of God" in the OT are angels. The NT tells us the He, (Jesus), gives us the power to become "sons of God."

This info has been presented on GLP in the past. And the evidence for it is very compelling.
 Quoting: Dried Up Hag


hum this theory is very interesting but because there is a but lol we fall from where exactly? space is the most credible answer just looking how our bodies are constructed and the materials in them.

and for what reason?
we don't know for sure.

i mean how would you explain this to a child?
because we are born from our parents and our parents from theirs etc

nobody remember anything about a supposed fall from somewhere, do you see what i mean?

if you chose to jump from one condition to another, you had a choice, you will deal with the consequences.


we didn't have this choice so basically it's like saying free will don't exist for individuals and we are just the consequences of someone/something else choice whom had free will and the possibility to change his/her/it condition.

if you think like this and compared it to what the religious books are saying, we humans are all satan children...

goodevil
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But that is exactly what the scriptures say about us. 1John 3:8 - He that committeth sin is of the devil.
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The problem with the original sin is that it caused such a profound change that it will take certain things to happen to rectify. for one, many years must pass, and two, God had to come here in the flesh as a man and die for our atonement, and three, Jesus will have to come back and gather us all up and take us home.

It's not that we sinned, but that we are under the "curse" of Adam and Eve's fall. (we sin all the time, but not like the original sin)

And, I agree that hell is a place reserved for Satan and his hosts, and the false prophet, and death. not intended for humans, and i doubt many will end up there, unless they look Jesus in His face and still continue to reject Him.
 Quoting: Salt


once again I type words from another
sacred text that was left out of the canon.
The Apocalypse of Peter.

In the end, all inhabitants of hell
are freed and pardoned by God as he
has pity on them by the praying angels
in heaven.

yep, I can see why this never made
it in the canon.

You could sin as much as you want
and there would be no consequences.
Kind of like TPTB are doing right now.
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as i posted earlier, i do not find the NT apocryphals, the gnostic texts, or any additional gospels other than the ones that made the NT canon, to be authentic.
 Quoting: Salt


Excellent thought provoking thread, glp at its best, as always good job salt!
 Quoting: shadasonic

I couldn't agree w/you more - great thread OP.

Regarding angels procreating - I often wondered why they didn't procreate w/eachother. Perhaps they can't between themselves, but for some reason can with women. The ole' incubus and succubus stories come to my mind as well as the old 'God creates - Satan destroys'.

There's much mention of giants in the Bible from Goliath on down. Tons of youtube vids of giants being unearthed. Scary how they can take the dna of those giant bones and....hmmm... wonder what TPTB are really doing in cloning labs around the world...!
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Okay - I'm going to interject something here......something that seems to confirm what I have long suspected about the human race in general.....

All of these questions - when viewed through this particular lens....are very neatly answered.

I am NOT saying that I know this information is FACTUAL. Not at all. But it answers so very many questions....especially all of the existential ones.

I think it is possible that WE, (that would be us humans), are the fallen angels. This link I am sharing goes into this in great detail....

[link to angelfall.com]

The author uses mathematics - or Theomatics, as he calls it, to make his case.

Just read this....and think about all of these questions.....and determine for yourself if this may not be true.

I, for one, am leaning towards this conclusion.

The "sons of God" in the OT are angels. The NT tells us the He, (Jesus), gives us the power to become "sons of God."

This info has been presented on GLP in the past. And the evidence for it is very compelling.
 Quoting: Dried Up Hag


wow that was an eye opening link, gave me goose bumps.
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"polluted mankinds DNA"

Mankind = kind of man = white people. The black man is the original MAN. Hence the Black gene being dominant and the white gene (mankind) being recessive (weaker). Just stating the facts. This alien blood mixing shit doesn't apply to blacks.


Carry on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10855647


Of course he is... Now if he cold just act like the super man he is and make Africa less of a swill pool. Come on, original man, lead us to glory!!!
 Quoting: derp 10775138


in another scared text called the book
of Adam and Eve

there was a river inside Eden that
turned any human's skin white.

that was left out of the canon as well :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12779250


sources?
 Quoting: Monbazillac


dude
I already gave you the source.
The book of Adam and Eve.
just google it :)
Monbazillac

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Okay - I'm going to interject something here......something that seems to confirm what I have long suspected about the human race in general.....

All of these questions - when viewed through this particular lens....are very neatly answered.

I am NOT saying that I know this information is FACTUAL. Not at all. But it answers so very many questions....especially all of the existential ones.

I think it is possible that WE, (that would be us humans), are the fallen angels. This link I am sharing goes into this in great detail....

[link to angelfall.com]

The author uses mathematics - or Theomatics, as he calls it, to make his case.

Just read this....and think about all of these questions.....and determine for yourself if this may not be true.

I, for one, am leaning towards this conclusion.

The "sons of God" in the OT are angels. The NT tells us the He, (Jesus), gives us the power to become "sons of God."

This info has been presented on GLP in the past. And the evidence for it is very compelling.
 Quoting: Dried Up Hag


hum this theory is very interesting but because there is a but lol we fall from where exactly? space is the most credible answer just looking how our bodies are constructed and the materials in them.

and for what reason?
we don't know for sure.

i mean how would you explain this to a child?
because we are born from our parents and our parents from theirs etc

nobody remember anything about a supposed fall from somewhere, do you see what i mean?

if you chose to jump from one condition to another, you had a choice, you will deal with the consequences.


we didn't have this choice so basically it's like saying free will don't exist for individuals and we are just the consequences of someone/something else choice whom had free will and the possibility to change his/her/it condition.

if you think like this and compared it to what the religious books are saying, we humans are all satan children...

goodevil
 Quoting: Monbazillac

But that is exactly what the scriptures say about us. 1John 3:8 - He that committeth sin is of the devil.
 Quoting: Dried Up Hag


seriously i just think about dark vader now...luke i'm your father and boom deal with it rofl
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as i posted earlier, i do not find the NT apocryphals, the gnostic texts, or any additional gospels other than the ones that made the NT canon, to be authentic.
 Quoting: Salt


Excellent thought provoking thread, glp at its best, as always good job salt!
 Quoting: shadasonic

I couldn't agree w/you more - great thread OP.

Regarding angels procreating - I often wondered why they didn't procreate w/eachother. Perhaps they can't between themselves, but for some reason can with women. The ole' incubus and succubus stories come to my mind as well as the old 'God creates - Satan destroys'.

There's much mention of giants in the Bible from Goliath on down. Tons of youtube vids of giants being unearthed. Scary how they can take the dna of those giant bones and....hmmm... wonder what TPTB are really doing in cloning labs around the world...!
 Quoting: sleepypoochy


I think all of the angels would be masculine. There are no feminine angels. any mention of demons in feminine form are actually masculine angels taking the "form" of a woman.

you can find data on this in Solomon's writings.
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The problem with the original sin is that it caused such a profound change that it will take certain things to happen to rectify. for one, many years must pass, and two, God had to come here in the flesh as a man and die for our atonement, and three, Jesus will have to come back and gather us all up and take us home.

It's not that we sinned, but that we are under the "curse" of Adam and Eve's fall. (we sin all the time, but not like the original sin)

And, I agree that hell is a place reserved for Satan and his hosts, and the false prophet, and death. not intended for humans, and i doubt many will end up there, unless they look Jesus in His face and still continue to reject Him.
 Quoting: Salt


once again I type words from another
sacred text that was left out of the canon.
The Apocalypse of Peter.

In the end, all inhabitants of hell
are freed and pardoned by God as he
has pity on them by the praying angels
in heaven.

yep, I can see why this never made
it in the canon.

You could sin as much as you want
and there would be no consequences.
Kind of like TPTB are doing right now.
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again.... any New Testament "additional gospels" are false.
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Of course he is... Now if he cold just act like the super man he is and make Africa less of a swill pool. Come on, original man, lead us to glory!!!
 Quoting: derp 10775138


in another scared text called the book
of Adam and Eve

there was a river inside Eden that
turned any human's skin white.

that was left out of the canon as well :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12779250


sources?
 Quoting: Monbazillac


dude
I already gave you the source.
The book of Adam and Eve.
just google it :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12779250


ok sorry and thx, is it this one?

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

btw i'm a girl chuckle
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in another scared text called the book
of Adam and Eve

there was a river inside Eden that
turned any human's skin white.

that was left out of the canon as well :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12779250


sources?
 Quoting: Monbazillac


dude
I already gave you the source.
The book of Adam and Eve.
just google it :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12779250


ok sorry and thx, is it this one?

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

btw i'm a girl chuckle
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[link to www.sacred-texts.com]
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in another scared text called the book
of Adam and Eve

there was a river inside Eden that
turned any human's skin white.

that was left out of the canon as well :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12779250


sources?
 Quoting: Monbazillac


dude
I already gave you the source.
The book of Adam and Eve.
just google it :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12779250


ok sorry and thx, is it this one?

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

btw i'm a girl chuckle
 Quoting: Monbazillac


everyone thinks i'm a guy too. don't feel bad.
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again.... any New Testament "additional gospels" are false.
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I never said they were true.
I am just making comparisons
between what is in them and what
is being discussed here.

And it can't be off-topic
because your thread title
mentions Enoch and it also
was a rejected sacred text.
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Okay - I'm going to interject something here......something that seems to confirm what I have long suspected about the human race in general.....

All of these questions - when viewed through this particular lens....are very neatly answered.

I am NOT saying that I know this information is FACTUAL. Not at all. But it answers so very many questions....especially all of the existential ones.

I think it is possible that WE, (that would be us humans), are the fallen angels. This link I am sharing goes into this in great detail....

[link to angelfall.com]

The author uses mathematics - or Theomatics, as he calls it, to make his case.

Just read this....and think about all of these questions.....and determine for yourself if this may not be true.

I, for one, am leaning towards this conclusion.

The "sons of God" in the OT are angels. The NT tells us the He, (Jesus), gives us the power to become "sons of God."

This info has been presented on GLP in the past. And the evidence for it is very compelling.
 Quoting: Dried Up Hag


wow that was an eye opening link, gave me goose bumps.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4352201

There's a guy (minister?) Ken Klein who says that same thing - that we are the fallen angels that need to die once and be born again back into our non-fallen state. He's got some interesting videos.
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sources?
 Quoting: Monbazillac


dude
I already gave you the source.
The book of Adam and Eve.
just google it :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12779250


ok sorry and thx, is it this one?

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

btw i'm a girl chuckle
 Quoting: Monbazillac


[link to www.sacred-texts.com]
 Quoting: Salt


thx for the link!
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in another scared text called the book
of Adam and Eve

there was a river inside Eden that
turned any human's skin white.

that was left out of the canon as well :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12779250


sources?
 Quoting: Monbazillac


dude
I already gave you the source.
The book of Adam and Eve.
just google it :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12779250


ok sorry and thx, is it this one?

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

btw i'm a girl chuckle
 Quoting: Monbazillac


sorry :)

2 And to the north of the garden there is a sea of water, clear and pure to the taste, unlike anything else; so that, through the clearness thereof, one may look into the depths of the earth.

3 And when a man washes himself in it, he becomes clean of the cleanness thereof, and white of its whiteness -- even if he were dark.
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Book of Adam and Eve. Chapter 1

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
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sources?
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dude
I already gave you the source.
The book of Adam and Eve.
just google it :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12779250


ok sorry and thx, is it this one?

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

btw i'm a girl chuckle
 Quoting: Monbazillac


sorry :)

2 And to the north of the garden there is a sea of water, clear and pure to the taste, unlike anything else; so that, through the clearness thereof, one may look into the depths of the earth.

3 And when a man washes himself in it, he becomes clean of the cleanness thereof, and white of its whiteness -- even if he were dark.
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Book of Adam and Eve. Chapter 1

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
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I did a thread on these books a while back:
Thread: Book of Adam & Eve - proof ? that Adam/Eve were ETs and Garden of Eden is not on Earth
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the theory of us humans already being fallen angels
makes perfect sense to me. Not saying it's true.
But it would account for a lot of what is happening.

Now, I'm curious as to what I did previously
to be put here as a fallen angel ???

Maybe God intended for me not to know.
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the theory of us humans already being fallen angels
makes perfect sense to me. Not saying it's true.
But it would account for a lot of what is happening.

Now, I'm curious as to what I did previously
to be put here as a fallen angel ???

Maybe God intended for me not to know.
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we are not fallen angels. Adam is a fallen angel so-to-speak. He was originally of a "bright nature" like the angels, who became carnal and fleshly when he was taken out of the garden and put on earth. all of adam and eve's descendents are men (male and female), plain and simple.

the word female comes from the Latin words meaning "male with the fetus"

we can return to be sons of God, or as we were originally intended to be, thanks to the sacrifice God made when Jesus shed His blood to atone for us.
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Not sure I really buy that we are the fallen. But here's part 1 of many of Ken Klein's "The Luciferian Codes". I think this is the vid where he discusses/proves we are the fallen ones. [link to www.youtube.com]
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Not sure I really buy that we are the fallen. But here's part 1 of many of Ken Klein's "The Luciferian Codes". I think this is the vid where he discusses/proves we are the fallen ones. [link to www.youtube.com]
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ken klein is a new age occultist. do not be tricked by this guy.
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Ken Klein Productions, Channeling and the Doctrines of Demons

Throughout this strange confrontation with Mr. Klein I have wondered, ‘Where does he get this kooky stuff?” Unfortunately, Ken is following the typical profile of a cult by manufacturing new revelations that “correct” orthodox Christian beliefs. I thought I had found my answer when I researched the heresies of Origen and Mormon founder Joseph Smith. I assumed that Ken was perhaps relying on Mormon exegesis. I’m afraid it is not that simple. It now appears to be more overtly demonic. 1 Timothy 4:

1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,

In a rather astonishing attempt to rationalize his teaching that humanity preexisted as fallen angels Ken had one of his “PhD staff members ” send me their exposition of Romans 5, which was a text I employed to refute Ken’s denial of the orthodox doctrine of original sin. Paul is explicit that “sin came into the world through one man” (Rom 5:12). It’s simply astonishing, because it now appears that Ken’s doctrinal position is more like a syncretism of Christianity and New Age mysticism. From the correspondence I received, Ken’s alleged PhD bible scholar appears to be a new age channeler. The exposition of Romans 5 begins with:
“NOW COMES THE BOOK OF ROMANS MANIFEST ALIVE BY THE INTERPRETATION OF A MANIFESTER”

The idea of a “Manifester” stems from the belief that there are states of consciousness in which it is possible to access spiritual knowledge. This has led to the emergence of ritualized means of manifesting spiritual revelations, generally termed “channeling”. According to the Dictionary of Gnosis and Western Esotericism:

In traditional cultures throughout the world religious specialists have functioned as links between human beings and what each culture understands to be spiritual reality. The New Age counterpart of this process of prophetic revelation is generally known as channeling. Channeled messages generally convey a synthesis of psychology and religion, a pattern of syncretism that has permeated much Western religious thought in general over the last century.

I highly recommend Christian J. Pinto’s documentary Meggido II for a Christian treatment of New Age occultism and channeled revelation. According to Pinto’s well documented research, many influential and well recognized people of the modern era (including Charles Darwin, Thomas Edison, Adolf Hitler and Hillary Clinton) have been influenced by channeled material. Now you can add Ken Klein and all of those who are deceived by his video Angel Wars. I quote influential Pastor Dr David Jeremiah,

Channeling is a sophisticated term for spirit possession. It occurs when humans willingly give their minds and bodies to spirit beings that enter and control them. The spirits use the mouths of channelers to give spiritual teachings to the listener. To be a channeler is to be a modern-day demon-possessed person or, in some cases, a plain fraud.[ii]

I believe this is likely what we have going on in the theology of Ken Klein Productions. These ideas from Ken’s “Manifester” are fraud or demon possession, take your pick. Personally, I am open to either interpretation. Now I ask the reader to bear in mind this is supposed to be an explanation of Romans 5 . This is the exact text of an email from Ken Klein Productions staff “Manifester”:

for more visit this link:
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the theory of us humans already being fallen angels
makes perfect sense to me. Not saying it's true.
But it would account for a lot of what is happening.

Now, I'm curious as to what I did previously
to be put here as a fallen angel ???

Maybe God intended for me not to know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12779250


we are not fallen angels. Adam is a fallen angel so-to-speak. He was originally of a "bright nature" like the angels, who became carnal and fleshly when he was taken out of the garden and put on earth. all of adam and eve's descendents are men (male and female), plain and simple.

the word female comes from the Latin words meaning "male with the fetus"

we can return to be sons of God, or as we were originally intended to be, thanks to the sacrifice God made when Jesus shed His blood to atone for us.
 Quoting: Salt


doesn't fit IMO, just looking around all the story is not on the bible neither on any religious books we can read.

seriously i can admit a lot of stuff but not the ones insulting the mind the creator put in my head.

a lot of parts are missing, a lot of people are lying and forcing everybody to chose between many doors.

you can take our history and see for yourself that all the religions did crazy bad stuff (and they are still doing it, pedos everywhere, wars, destruction of the planet whatever it's almost like hell down here) in the name of god, all of them and you tiny individual you do nothing wrong and you must follow the same barbarians's dogma doing the bad stuff?

sorry but no, i will not follow, there is only 2 things i agree with in the bible: asking for answers and receiving infos (for me more infos are put on my way every time i ask for them, it works this way and they are not only on books that's the best part).

the second one is about love, i cannot recognize a creator full of hate and vices, doing bad stuff to the creatures and the creation, cursing them, torturing them etc

sorry but for me it's against my own nature and the more i read, the more i compare it to our actual world and the more it's obvious something went bersek somewhere but hey we don't have the all story in our hands to make a real choice.

btw i'm sure the choice is indeed made not by following anything, a good and loved tree will never produce poisonous food, nature will teach you this.

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the theory of us humans already being fallen angels
makes perfect sense to me. Not saying it's true.
But it would account for a lot of what is happening.

Now, I'm curious as to what I did previously
to be put here as a fallen angel ???

Maybe God intended for me not to know.
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we are not fallen angels. Adam is a fallen angel so-to-speak. He was originally of a "bright nature" like the angels, who became carnal and fleshly when he was taken out of the garden and put on earth. all of adam and eve's descendents are men (male and female), plain and simple.

the word female comes from the Latin words meaning "male with the fetus"

we can return to be sons of God, or as we were originally intended to be, thanks to the sacrifice God made when Jesus shed His blood to atone for us.
 Quoting: Salt


doesn't fit IMO, just looking around all the story is not on the bible neither on any religious books we can read.

seriously i can admit a lot of stuff but not the ones insulting the mind the creator put in my head.

a lot of parts are missing, a lot of people are lying and forcing everybody to chose between many doors.

you can take our history and see for yourself that all the religions did crazy bad stuff (and they are still doing it, pedos everywhere, wars, destruction of the planet whatever it's almost like hell down here) in the name of god, all of them and you tiny individual you do nothing wrong and you must follow the same barbarians's dogma doing the bad stuff?

sorry but no, i will not follow, there is only 2 things i agree with in the bible: asking for answers and receiving infos (for me more infos are put on my way every time i ask for them, it works this way and they are not only on books that's the best part).

the second one is about love, i cannot recognize a creator full of hate and vices, doing bad stuff to the creatures and the creation, cursing them, torturing them etc

sorry but for me it's against my own nature and the more i read, the more i compare it to our actual world and the more it's obvious something went bersek somewhere but hey we don't have the all story in our hands to make a real choice.

btw i'm sure the choice is indeed made not by following anything, a good and loved tree will never produce poisonous food, nature will teach you this.
 Quoting: Monbazillac


i don't know what creator you speak of, but this is not the true Most High God.

that description is part of a great deception.
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Not sure I really buy that we are the fallen. But here's part 1 of many of Ken Klein's "The Luciferian Codes". I think this is the vid where he discusses/proves we are the fallen ones. [link to www.youtube.com]
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because i disagree with you, you give me red karma? really?
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the theory of us humans already being fallen angels
makes perfect sense to me. Not saying it's true.
But it would account for a lot of what is happening.

Now, I'm curious as to what I did previously
to be put here as a fallen angel ???

Maybe God intended for me not to know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12779250


we are not fallen angels. Adam is a fallen angel so-to-speak. He was originally of a "bright nature" like the angels, who became carnal and fleshly when he was taken out of the garden and put on earth. all of adam and eve's descendents are men (male and female), plain and simple.

the word female comes from the Latin words meaning "male with the fetus"

we can return to be sons of God, or as we were originally intended to be, thanks to the sacrifice God made when Jesus shed His blood to atone for us.
 Quoting: Salt


doesn't fit IMO, just looking around all the story is not on the bible neither on any religious books we can read.

seriously i can admit a lot of stuff but not the ones insulting the mind the creator put in my head.

a lot of parts are missing, a lot of people are lying and forcing everybody to chose between many doors.

you can take our history and see for yourself that all the religions did crazy bad stuff (and they are still doing it, pedos everywhere, wars, destruction of the planet whatever it's almost like hell down here) in the name of god, all of them and you tiny individual you do nothing wrong and you must follow the same barbarians's dogma doing the bad stuff?

sorry but no, i will not follow, there is only 2 things i agree with in the bible: asking for answers and receiving infos (for me more infos are put on my way every time i ask for them, it works this way and they are not only on books that's the best part).

the second one is about love, i cannot recognize a creator full of hate and vices, doing bad stuff to the creatures and the creation, cursing them, torturing them etc

sorry but for me it's against my own nature and the more i read, the more i compare it to our actual world and the more it's obvious something went bersek somewhere but hey we don't have the all story in our hands to make a real choice.

btw i'm sure the choice is indeed made not by following anything, a good and loved tree will never produce poisonous food, nature will teach you this.
 Quoting: Monbazillac


i don't know what creator you speak of, but this is not the true Most High God.

that description is part of a great deception.
 Quoting: Salt


you know the first time i touched a bible, i just freaked out about the stuff inside, for me it was totally evil and i was a little kid with basically no experience and poor knowledge.

i'm an adult now but the impression is still the same, why?

i remember exactly my reaction after this, asking why and why and how a loving creator could have done so much bad stuff to poor creatures knowing basically nothing compared to their creator, nobody gave me an answer because nobody has an answer about it, that's why i keep digging.

jealousy is a vice IMO, the character in the bible is wut?

my parents told us that jealousy is destruction since childhood.
when you are jealous, you became envious and you can only do bad stuff to your siblings with these feelings inside you and this is true.

the deception is everywhere and also in the bible IMO, if a children mind can see through it, seriously it's not a coincidence at all.
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it's obvious something went bersek somewhere but hey we don't have the all story in our hands to make a real choice.
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I would totally agree with that.

that's why my quest for truth
continues :)
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we are not fallen angels. Adam is a fallen angel so-to-speak. He was originally of a "bright nature" like the angels, who became carnal and fleshly when he was taken out of the garden and put on earth. all of adam and eve's descendents are men (male and female), plain and simple.

the word female comes from the Latin words meaning "male with the fetus"

we can return to be sons of God, or as we were originally intended to be, thanks to the sacrifice God made when Jesus shed His blood to atone for us.
 Quoting: Salt


doesn't fit IMO, just looking around all the story is not on the bible neither on any religious books we can read.

seriously i can admit a lot of stuff but not the ones insulting the mind the creator put in my head.

a lot of parts are missing, a lot of people are lying and forcing everybody to chose between many doors.

you can take our history and see for yourself that all the religions did crazy bad stuff (and they are still doing it, pedos everywhere, wars, destruction of the planet whatever it's almost like hell down here) in the name of god, all of them and you tiny individual you do nothing wrong and you must follow the same barbarians's dogma doing the bad stuff?

sorry but no, i will not follow, there is only 2 things i agree with in the bible: asking for answers and receiving infos (for me more infos are put on my way every time i ask for them, it works this way and they are not only on books that's the best part).

the second one is about love, i cannot recognize a creator full of hate and vices, doing bad stuff to the creatures and the creation, cursing them, torturing them etc

sorry but for me it's against my own nature and the more i read, the more i compare it to our actual world and the more it's obvious something went bersek somewhere but hey we don't have the all story in our hands to make a real choice.

btw i'm sure the choice is indeed made not by following anything, a good and loved tree will never produce poisonous food, nature will teach you this.
 Quoting: Monbazillac


i don't know what creator you speak of, but this is not the true Most High God.

that description is part of a great deception.
 Quoting: Salt


you know the first time i touched a bible, i just freaked out about the stuff inside, for me it was totally evil and i was a little kid with basically no experience and poor knowledge.

i'm an adult now but the impression is still the same, why?

i remember exactly my reaction after this, asking why and why and how a loving creator could have done so much bad stuff to poor creatures knowing basically nothing compared to their creator, nobody gave me an answer because nobody has an answer about it, that's why i keep digging.

jealousy is a vice IMO, the character in the bible is wut?

my parents told us that jealousy is destruction since childhood.
when you are jealous, you became envious and you can only do bad stuff to your siblings with these feelings inside you and this is true.

the deception is everywhere and also in the bible IMO, if a children mind can see through it, seriously it's not a coincidence at all.
 Quoting: Monbazillac


well, there is no way to talk this out here with a few keystrokes. But, the Hebrew and Greek words used for jealous when referring to God is a different word used for jealous when referring to people. The two words have completely different meanings. God is not jealous like people get jealous. The type of holy divine "jealousy" that is spoken about in scripture is a positive, not a negative.

jealousy, in American culture, is considered a very negative emotion. this is not the context that it is used in scriptures (which is found about 6 times) when referring to God's feelings toward mankind.

for all the other misconceptions about God, feel free to visit this thread and linked website. If you take the time to read it and study, you will see who really is to blame for many of the horrible things mentioned in the old testament.

Thread: The Bible God: Cruel, Savage, Deranged, Evil, Barbaric, Intolerant, Insanely Jealous, Vengeful and Bloodthirsty?
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maybe God had a change of heart
somewhere along the lines.

Before Moses, the only redemption from
sin was sacrifice.

then after Moses

he says:

Thou shalt not kill

but it was alright to kill
and sacrifice before this
stone tablet law came down.
That's what he wanted,
according to scripture.

Why the change ???