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MUSLIMS ONLY WORSHIP ONE GOD: GOD OF ADAM,ABRAHAM,MOSES,DAVID,SOLOMON,JESUS AND MOHAMMAD

 
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So your statement was intended to be demonic?...

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I was attempting to understand what you were talking about with your earlier comment.. about G-d putting Himself inside man..
 Quoting: Alesiah


Jesus explained it for you...


John 17:21
King James Version (KJV)
 21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.


Do you not understand?

Or do you not believe?


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Maybe you don't understand.. Means they are united, heart, mind, will and soul.
Kinda like when two are united in marriage they become one...
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First - thank you for your responses - it is enjoyable to learn about your beliefs.

As such- your wedding analogy brings about more thoughts/questions:

We seem to agree that God is a spirit-

1. What does it mean to you if God pours out His spirit upon flesh?

2. Do you think that He may have poured out more of it on Jesus than on others?

3. How do you interpret these verrses:

John 1

 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....

 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



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Exodus 20:4-5
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on earth under it, or that is in the water below. You shall not
bow down to them or serve them..."


Now, if God were to make Himself a likeness of Himself, then He would be violating His very own Commandment. In addition, since this likeness would literally be God, then we would be required to worship and serve this likeness.

Deuteronomy 10:20;
"Revere the Lord your God, serve him, cleave to him and take oaths only in his name."

So, I repeat...if God Himself were to enter the material world by creating a physical form of Himself, then this likeness would literally be God, and we would be required to worship and serve this likeness. *****We would be required to VIOLATE the 2nd Commandment, which says we are forbidden to worship ANY likeness of God.******

In fact, God told us directly of His eternal and unchanging nature in Exodus 3:14, when He told Moses His name. In the Tanach, a name is not merely an arbitrary designation, a random combination of sounds. The name conveys the nature and essence of the thing named. It represents the history and reputation of the being named.

When Moses asks God what His "name" is. Moses is not asking "what should I call you;" rather, he is asking "who are you; what are you like; what have you done." That is clear from God's response, because He replied, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh."

That phrase is often translated as, "I am that I am," but the word "ehyeh" can be present or future tense, meaning "I am what I will be" or "I will be what I am" or "I will be what I will be."

The purposeful ambiguity of the phrase is a direct reference to God's eternal and unchanging nature.

After God replies that He is eternal and unchanging, He finishes His Name by also saying that He is the God of our ancestors, that He has seen our affliction and will redeem us from bondage.

God...eternal and unchanging...His essence....no qualifications.

So your answer is not whether or not G_d can, it's that he won't.... coffee4
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Constraining God?

Even Alesiah knows better...
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I'm not constraining G_d, he has said so himself.


U want me to say G-d can posses man?.. Sure, select individuals do G-d's will.
 Quoting: Alesiah

Anyway- what change?

Are we not made in His image?
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The image of G-d in which we were created is a reference to our human consciousness. The "image of G-d" is the unique combination of creative forces that are the individual parts of what we call the human soul. coffee4
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More constraints?

Or do you have a scripture reference to back up your theory?


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If you can pop up with one from the Tanach that says J'sus is god.
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^That^ is not being claimed.

Jesus never claimed to be God- he made it clear that His Father was greater than Him.


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So your statement was intended to be demonic?...

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 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 8803949


I was attempting to understand what you were talking about with your earlier comment.. about G-d putting Himself inside man..
 Quoting: Alesiah


Jesus explained it for you...


John 17:21
King James Version (KJV)
 21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.


Do you not understand?

Or do you not believe?


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Why do you like to argue the NT? That's why there are sooo many different denominations..people argue break-off/split/weakening your religion further.

United you stand, divided you fall..


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You said Jesus leads you to the Father.

You seem to believe Him.

Perhaps you adhere to His teachings.

If so,

Then we are united.



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Exodus 20:4-5
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on earth under it, or that is in the water below. You shall not
bow down to them or serve them..."


Now, if God were to make Himself a likeness of Himself, then He would be violating His very own Commandment. In addition, since this likeness would literally be God, then we would be required to worship and serve this likeness.


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"Did you not notice that the operative word is youshall made for yourself any graven image, this was to keep us from worshiping the creation instead of the Creator. By the way, God showed Himself to Moses, but Moses could only see Him from the back. As we are made in the image of God, and man has a body, a soul and a spirit, then it stands to reason that God also has a Body, the Incarnate Christ, a Soul, God the Father, and of course the Holy Spirit. As for the name of the Messiah being David, this is a generic term for the Davidic dynasty that is to rule forever.


"The Bible is written in the language of people.” The bible is full of anthromorphisms which can lead the unsophisticated to think that G-d has ears and eyes, becomes pleased or angry, just like a human. These descriptions are provided to facilitate human understanding and are not accurate descriptions of the process by which Gd does what Gd does.

Fire melts certain things and makes others hard, it boils, burns, bleaches and blackens. If we did not know the nature of fire, we might assume that it had five different substances, each of which caused these various effects. But we know that they are all caused by one feature; the heat. If this is the case for something done by nature, how much more is it the case for G-d who is above all description? Attributes therefore refer, not to the essence of G-d, but express relations between him and his creatures. (Ch. 53)

"Moses asked G-d two things and received a reply for both. He asked G-d to show him His true essence and to let him know His attributes (Ex. 33:12-23). In answer to both G-d promised that He would let Him know all His attributes, and that these were nothing but His actions. G-d also told Moses that his true essence could not be perceived, but noted a way for Moses to obtain the maximum knowledge of G-d that man could acquire. G-d replied, “I will make all My Goodness pass before you.” “all My Goodness,’ implies the whole creation, concerning which it is written, “And G-d saw *everything He had made* and it was very *good* (Gen.1:31).” This means that G-d promised Moses that He would show him the nature of all things, their relation to each other, and the way they are governed by G-d. This knowledge is the knowledge of G-d’s attributes, by which G-d *can* be known. (Ch. 54)"

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Exodus 20:4-5
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on earth under it, or that is in the water below. You shall not
bow down to them or serve them..."


Now, if God were to make Himself a likeness of Himself, then He would be violating His very own Commandment. In addition, since this likeness would literally be God, then we would be required to worship and serve this likeness.






"The Bible is written in the language of people.” The bible is full of anthromorphisms which can lead the unsophisticated to think that G-d has ears and eyes, becomes pleased or angry, just like a human. These descriptions are provided to facilitate human understanding and are not accurate descriptions of the process by which Gd does what Gd does.

Fire melts certain things and makes others hard, it boils, burns, bleaches and blackens. If we did not know the nature of fire, we might assume that it had five different substances, each of which caused these various effects. But we know that they are all caused by one feature; the heat. If this is the case for something done by nature, how much more is it the case for G-d who is above all description? Attributes therefore refer, not to the essence of G-d, but express relations between him and his creatures. (Ch. 53)

"Moses asked G-d two things and received a reply for both. He asked G-d to show him His true essence and to let him know His attributes (Ex. 33:12-23). In answer to both G-d promised that He would let Him know all His attributes, and that these were nothing but His actions. G-d also told Moses that his true essence could not be perceived, but noted a way for Moses to obtain the maximum knowledge of G-d that man could acquire. G-d replied, “I will make all My Goodness pass before you.” “all My Goodness,’ implies the whole creation, concerning which it is written, “And G-d saw *everything He had made* and it was very *good* (Gen.1:31).” This means that G-d promised Moses that He would show him the nature of all things, their relation to each other, and the way they are governed by G-d. This knowledge is the knowledge of G-d’s attributes, by which G-d *can* be known. (Ch. 54)


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^quoting^ : Guide for the perplexed by Moses Maimonides...


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I'm not constraining G_d, he has said so himself.


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The image of G-d in which we were created is a reference to our human consciousness. The "image of G-d" is the unique combination of creative forces that are the individual parts of what we call the human soul. coffee4
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More constraints?

Or do you have a scripture reference to back up your theory?


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If you can pop up with one from the Tanach that says J'sus is god.
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^That^ is not being claimed.

Jesus never claimed to be God- he made it clear that His Father was greater than Him.


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"In many different verses in the Tanach, God tells us very clearly that He is like nothing in the material Universe, and that nothing in the material Universe can be compared to Him.

The figurative language in the Tanach simply represents the use of language to express some idea in connection with God. The use of such anthropomorphism's is very common in Scripture. I will refer you to Psalm 19:2, Isaiah 23:4, Job 28:22, Joshua 24:27 and Isaiah 55:12 as examples
where-in heaven, the sea, death, stones and mountains, respectively, "speak." The idea conveyed is no more literal than when God "speaks," unless you are going to claim that the sea literally speaks in an audible voice.

As further proof of the figurative nature of language in the Tanach, I will refer you to Proverbs 8:26, Exodus 10:5, Isaiah 1:2, Numbers 11:31, Numbers 16:32, Isaiah 24:16, Daniel 10:4, Exodus 2:3, Exodus 15:8, Ezekiel 38:12, Jonah 2:3, Job 38:8 and Jeremiah 31:8 as examples where in the earth itself is described as having, respectively, a head, eyes, ears, a face, a mouth, a wing, a hand, lips, a heart, a navel, a belly, a womb, and a thigh. Surely these meanings cannot be taken literally either."(The Guide for the Perplexed., Part I, Chapter XLVI, Dover Press, M. Friedländer, Translator, p. 60)

Now with that said, what is left to be the image of G_d or his likeness other than the consciousness. The "image of G-d" that is the unique combination of creative forces that are the individual parts of what we call the human soul.
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Exodus 20:4-5
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on earth under it, or that is in the water below. You shall not
bow down to them or serve them..."


Now, if God were to make Himself a likeness of Himself, then He would be violating His very own Commandment. In addition, since this likeness would literally be God, then we would be required to worship and serve this likeness.






"The Bible is written in the language of people.” The bible is full of anthromorphisms which can lead the unsophisticated to think that G-d has ears and eyes, becomes pleased or angry, just like a human. These descriptions are provided to facilitate human understanding and are not accurate descriptions of the process by which Gd does what Gd does.

Fire melts certain things and makes others hard, it boils, burns, bleaches and blackens. If we did not know the nature of fire, we might assume that it had five different substances, each of which caused these various effects. But we know that they are all caused by one feature; the heat. If this is the case for something done by nature, how much more is it the case for G-d who is above all description? Attributes therefore refer, not to the essence of G-d, but express relations between him and his creatures. (Ch. 53)

"Moses asked G-d two things and received a reply for both. He asked G-d to show him His true essence and to let him know His attributes (Ex. 33:12-23). In answer to both G-d promised that He would let Him know all His attributes, and that these were nothing but His actions. G-d also told Moses that his true essence could not be perceived, but noted a way for Moses to obtain the maximum knowledge of G-d that man could acquire. G-d replied, “I will make all My Goodness pass before you.” “all My Goodness,’ implies the whole creation, concerning which it is written, “And G-d saw *everything He had made* and it was very *good* (Gen.1:31).” This means that G-d promised Moses that He would show him the nature of all things, their relation to each other, and the way they are governed by G-d. This knowledge is the knowledge of G-d’s attributes, by which G-d *can* be known. (Ch. 54)


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^quoting^ : Guide for the perplexed by Moses Maimonides...


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Could be, the quote I have doesn't have the one who is quoted on it.
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More constraints?

Or do you have a scripture reference to back up your theory?


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If you can pop up with one from the Tanach that says J'sus is god.
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^That^ is not being claimed.

Jesus never claimed to be God- he made it clear that His Father was greater than Him.


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... these meanings cannot be taken literally either."(The Guide for the Perplexed., )

Now with that said, what is left to be the image of G_d or his likeness other than the consciousness. The "image of G-d" that is the unique combination of creative forces that are the individual parts of what we call the human soul.

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Is it not possible to hear His voice?

Is it not possible for Him to walk?

But you say He won't have a face that we can see?

It still seems that you are trying to limit the possibilities of what God may or may not do...


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If you can pop up with one from the Tanach that says J'sus is god.
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^That^ is not being claimed.

Jesus never claimed to be God- he made it clear that His Father was greater than Him.


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... these meanings cannot be taken literally either."(The Guide for the Perplexed., )

Now with that said, what is left to be the image of G_d or his likeness other than the consciousness. The "image of G-d" that is the unique combination of creative forces that are the individual parts of what we call the human soul.

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Is it not possible to hear His voice?

Is it not possible for Him to walk?

But you say He won't have a face that we can see?

It still seems that you are trying to limit the possibilities of what God may or may not do...


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No not limiting, just being realistic. If what you hear is voice as you would another human beings voice then you should see a shrink.


The only one G_d spoke to face to face was Moshe and what that means is HaShem spoke to Moshe as a friend in the form of a thought, and not in a dream of visions. This is also expressed in Exod 33:11 and Deut 34:10. This shows how close Moshe was to G_d. It does not mean Moshe was looking at HaShem's face. Simply because G-d told Moshe he could not see his face.


Numbers 12:6-8; "He said, "Hear now My words. If there shall be prophets among you, in a vision shall I, the Lord, make Myself known to him; in a dream shall I speak with him.

The rest of the prophets only heard Hashem through visions and dreams.


As for walking I'm sure you will pluck out Gen. where HaShem is said to have walked with Adam and Eve.

But even your NT says HaShem has no form... So how could HaShem literally walk as you appear to be implying?

John 1:18 - "No man hath seen Elohim at any time.."
John 5:37 - "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape."

John 6:46 - "Not that any man hath seen the Father..."

1 Jn. 4:12 - "No man hath seen Elohim at any time..."

1Tim 1:17 - "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise Elohim, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen."

1 Tim.6:16 - " Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen."

Gen 1:2. Now the earth was astonishingly empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the water.

Does "hovering" indicate that G-d has wings so he can fly?

Gen 2:8. And the Lord God planted a garden in Eden from the east, and He placed there the man whom He had formed.

Does this mean HaShem used a hoe and shovel to plant the garden?

I think that your emphases on physical features puts G-d in a box and limits him.coffee4

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^That^ is not being claimed.

Jesus never claimed to be God- he made it clear that His Father was greater than Him.


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... these meanings cannot be taken literally either."(The Guide for the Perplexed., )

Now with that said, what is left to be the image of G_d or his likeness other than the consciousness. The "image of G-d" that is the unique combination of creative forces that are the individual parts of what we call the human soul.

 Quoting: Shalhevet


Is it not possible to hear His voice?

Is it not possible for Him to walk?

But you say He won't have a face that we can see?

It still seems that you are trying to limit the possibilities of what God may or may not do...


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No not limiting, just being realistic....



But even your NT says HaShem has no form... So how could HaShem literally walk as you appear to be implying?



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John 6:46 - "Not that any man hath seen the Father..."

- ...  save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.



I think that your emphases on physical features puts G-d in a box and limits him.
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There was no emphasis- you were asked questions to see if we agree.

You say God can't or won't have a face.

You say God can't or won't walk among us.

We just disagree...

Rev 22:

... And they shall see his face.



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Ever wondered why the one and only true GOD never bothers to come down to us and tell us all who is right and who is wrong? Obviously because the one and only true GOD couldn't give a crap.
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... these meanings cannot be taken literally either."(The Guide for the Perplexed., )

Now with that said, what is left to be the image of G_d or his likeness other than the consciousness. The "image of G-d" that is the unique combination of creative forces that are the individual parts of what we call the human soul.

 Quoting: Shalhevet


Is it not possible to hear His voice?

Is it not possible for Him to walk?

But you say He won't have a face that we can see?

It still seems that you are trying to limit the possibilities of what God may or may not do...


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No not limiting, just being realistic....



But even your NT says HaShem has no form... So how could HaShem literally walk as you appear to be implying?



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John 6:46 - "Not that any man hath seen the Father..."

- ...  save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.



I think that your emphases on physical features puts G-d in a box and limits him.
 Quoting: Shalhevet



There was no emphasis- you were asked questions to see if we agree.

You say God can't or won't have a face.

You say God can't or won't walk among us.

We just disagree...

Rev 22:

... And they shall see his face.



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I don't accept Rev. as scripture.
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Ever wondered why the one and only true GOD never bothers to come down to us and tell us all who is right and who is wrong? Obviously because the one and only true GOD couldn't give a crap.
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All religions have some truth. No religion has all the truths. We are learning, it is our nature to search but none of us will ever have the whole truth. We couldn't handle it our brains would fry. (my opinion)grinning
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Is it not possible to hear His voice?

Is it not possible for Him to walk?

But you say He won't have a face that we can see?

It still seems that you are trying to limit the possibilities of what God may or may not do...


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No not limiting, just being realistic....



But even your NT says HaShem has no form... So how could HaShem literally walk as you appear to be implying?



...
John 6:46 - "Not that any man hath seen the Father..."

- ...  save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.



I think that your emphases on physical features puts G-d in a box and limits him.
 Quoting: Shalhevet



There was no emphasis- you were asked questions to see if we agree.

You say God can't or won't have a face.

You say God can't or won't walk among us.

We just disagree...

Rev 22:

... And they shall see his face.



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I don't accept Rev. as scripture.
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Ok- its just hard keeping up with which parts of the NT you believe and which you don't...

(BTW- thanks for quoting John 6:46)


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Ever wondered why the one and only true GOD never bothers to come down to us and tell us all who is right and who is wrong? Obviously because the one and only true GOD couldn't give a crap.
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All religions have some truth. No religion has all the truths. We are learning, it is our nature to search but none of us will ever have the whole truth. We couldn't handle it our brains would fry. (my opinion)grinning
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Yep, all religions have like 0.00001% truth. The rest is greed.
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No not limiting, just being realistic....



But even your NT says HaShem has no form... So how could HaShem literally walk as you appear to be implying?



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John 6:46 - "Not that any man hath seen the Father..."

- ...  save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.



I think that your emphases on physical features puts G-d in a box and limits him.
 Quoting: Shalhevet



There was no emphasis- you were asked questions to see if we agree.

You say God can't or won't have a face.

You say God can't or won't walk among us.

We just disagree...

Rev 22:

... And they shall see his face.



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I don't accept Rev. as scripture.
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Ok- its just hard keeping up with which parts of the NT you believe and which you don't...

(BTW- thanks for quoting John 6:46)


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The saying goes, 'What is OLD is TRUE, What is NEW is NOT TRUE"

In other words if it is in the NT but taught in the Tanach then I accept it. If it is not in the Tanach then it isn't true, so I don't accept it.

BTW the sermon on the mount was taught by the Pharisee's before J'sus's time.

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There was no emphasis- you were asked questions to see if we agree.

You say God can't or won't have a face.

You say God can't or won't walk among us.

We just disagree...

Rev 22:

... And they shall see his face.



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I don't accept Rev. as scripture.
 Quoting: Shalhevet


Ok- its just hard keeping up with which parts of the NT you believe and which you don't...

(BTW- thanks for quoting John 6:46)


hf
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The saying goes, 'What is OLD is TRUE, What is NEW is NOT TRUE"

In other words if it is in the NT but taught in the Tanach then I accept it. If it is not in the Tanach then it isn't true, so I don't accept it.


 Quoting: Shalhevet


Then we agree...

God walked and talked in the garden...

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 9The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

And He will again.^^



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ONLY PAGAN WORSHIPS MORE THEN ONE GOD--- GOD OF CHRISTIANITY, JUDAISM AND ISLAM IS SAME GOD---- WE ALL ARE BROTHERS WHO ARE DIVIDED BY ILLUMINATI SECRET AGENDA---- JUST FOLLOW THE MESSAGE OF ADAM,ABRAHAM,MOSES,JESUS AND MOHAMMAD U ALL WILL BE SAVED resist
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^That^ is not being claimed.

Jesus never claimed to be God- he made it clear that His Father was greater than Him.


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... these meanings cannot be taken literally either."(The Guide for the Perplexed., )

Now with that said, what is left to be the image of G_d or his likeness other than the consciousness. The "image of G-d" that is the unique combination of creative forces that are the individual parts of what we call the human soul.

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Is it not possible to hear His voice?

Is it not possible for Him to walk?

But you say He won't have a face that we can see?

It still seems that you are trying to limit the possibilities of what God may or may not do...


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No not limiting, just being realistic. If what you hear is voice as you would another human beings voice then you should see a shrink.


The only one G_d spoke to face to face was Moshe and what that means is HaShem spoke to Moshe as a friend in the form of a thought, and not in a dream of visions. This is also expressed in Exod 33:11 and Deut 34:10. This shows how close Moshe was to G_d. It does not mean Moshe was looking at HaShem's face. Simply because G-d told Moshe he could not see his face.


Numbers 12:6-8; "He said, "Hear now My words. If there shall be prophets among you, in a vision shall I, the Lord, make Myself known to him; in a dream shall I speak with him.

The rest of the prophets only heard Hashem through visions and dreams.


As for walking I'm sure you will pluck out Gen. where HaShem is said to have walked with Adam and Eve.

But even your NT says HaShem has no form... So how could HaShem literally walk as you appear to be implying?

John 1:18 - "No man hath seen Elohim at any time.."
John 5:37 - "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape."

John 6:46 - "Not that any man hath seen the Father..."

1 Jn. 4:12 - "No man hath seen Elohim at any time..."

1Tim 1:17 - "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise Elohim, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen."

1 Tim.6:16 - " Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen."

Gen 1:2. Now the earth was astonishingly empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the water.

Does "hovering" indicate that G-d has wings so he can fly?

Gen 2:8. And the Lord God planted a garden in Eden from the east, and He placed there the man whom He had formed.

Does this mean HaShem used a hoe and shovel to plant the garden?

I think that your emphases on physical features puts G-d in a box and limits him.coffee4
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Powerful information!!! The G-d of the J.ews and Muslims is not a physical G-d. Their G-d is One of Spirit.. Thank you for taking the time to look those verses up.
I have such limited time right now as you know.
Awesome Shal.

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ONLY PAGAN WORSHIPS MORE THEN ONE GOD--- GOD OF CHRISTIANITY, JUDAISM AND ISLAM IS SAME GOD---- WE ALL ARE BROTHERS WHO ARE DIVIDED BY ILLUMINATI SECRET AGENDA---- JUST FOLLOW THE MESSAGE OF ADAM,ABRAHAM,MOSES,JESUS AND MOHAMMAD U ALL WILL BE SAVED resist
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Don't you realize you exposed the motive behind the NWO?

The two biggest religions on earth are Christianity and Islam.

They "do not" worship the same G-d.

However,it's the NWO that would have people believe they do worship the same G-d..

If the NWO could convince just those two religions that they DO worship the same G-d, then they would have over 2/3rds of the world population in the palm of their hand.

That would leave the 1/3rd.
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Don't you realize you exposed the motive behind the NWO?

The two biggest religions on earth are Christianity and Islam.

They "do not" worship the same G-d.

However,it's the NWO that would have people believe they do worship the same G-d..

If the NWO could convince just those two religions that they DO worship the same G-d, then they would have over 2/3rds of the world population in the palm of their hand.

That would leave the 1/3rd.
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ONLY PAGAN WORSHIPS MORE THEN ONE GOD--- GOD OF CHRISTIANITY, JUDAISM AND ISLAM IS SAME GOD---- WE ALL ARE BROTHERS WHO ARE DIVIDED BY ILLUMINATI SECRET AGENDA---- JUST FOLLOW THE MESSAGE OF ADAM,ABRAHAM,MOSES,JESUS AND MOHAMMAD U ALL WILL BE SAVED resist
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same god by different prophet...however god in islam is a nonplayer...mohammed is the man in charge...
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... these meanings cannot be taken literally either."(The Guide for the Perplexed., )

Now with that said, what is left to be the image of G_d or his likeness other than the consciousness. The "image of G-d" that is the unique combination of creative forces that are the individual parts of what we call the human soul.

 Quoting: Shalhevet


Is it not possible to hear His voice?

Is it not possible for Him to walk?

But you say He won't have a face that we can see?

It still seems that you are trying to limit the possibilities of what God may or may not do...


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No not limiting, just being realistic. If what you hear is voice as you would another human beings voice then you should see a shrink.


The only one G_d spoke to face to face was Moshe and what that means is HaShem spoke to Moshe as a friend in the form of a thought, and not in a dream of visions. This is also expressed in Exod 33:11 and Deut 34:10. This shows how close Moshe was to G_d. It does not mean Moshe was looking at HaShem's face. Simply because G-d told Moshe he could not see his face.


Numbers 12:6-8; "He said, "Hear now My words. If there shall be prophets among you, in a vision shall I, the Lord, make Myself known to him; in a dream shall I speak with him.

The rest of the prophets only heard Hashem through visions and dreams.


As for walking I'm sure you will pluck out Gen. where HaShem is said to have walked with Adam and Eve.

But even your NT says HaShem has no form... So how could HaShem literally walk as you appear to be implying?

John 1:18 - "No man hath seen Elohim at any time.."
John 5:37 - "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape."

John 6:46 - "Not that any man hath seen the Father..."

1 Jn. 4:12 - "No man hath seen Elohim at any time..."

1Tim 1:17 - "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise Elohim, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen."

1 Tim.6:16 - " Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen."

Gen 1:2. Now the earth was astonishingly empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the water.

Does "hovering" indicate that G-d has wings so he can fly?

Gen 2:8. And the Lord God planted a garden in Eden from the east, and He placed there the man whom He had formed.

Does this mean HaShem used a hoe and shovel to plant the garden?

I think that your emphases on physical features puts G-d in a box and limits him.coffee4
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Powerful information!!! The G-d of the J.ews and Muslims is not a physical G-d. Their G-d is One of Spirit.. Thank you for taking the time to look those verses up....


 Quoting: Alesiah


John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit ...


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I don't accept Rev. as scripture.
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Ok- its just hard keeping up with which parts of the NT you believe and which you don't...

(BTW- thanks for quoting John 6:46)


hf
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The saying goes, 'What is OLD is TRUE, What is NEW is NOT TRUE"

In other words if it is in the NT but taught in the Tanach then I accept it. If it is not in the Tanach then it isn't true, so I don't accept it.


 Quoting: Shalhevet


Then we agree...

God walked and talked in the garden...

Ecc1
 9The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

And He will again.^^



:)
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In the Garden..
There was; The serpent!!!
Which would make "perfect sense" because JC was to be lifted up as the serpent..John 3:14
Moses also used his staff/rod and it turned into a serpent and consumed the serpents of Egypt. He also put a copper serpent on a pole. Later the serpent had to be destroyed because the children of G-d were worshiping it..

Many individuals worship JC in the NT..
[link to www.biblegateway.com]

However, JC said;

Matthew 15:9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.

JC also said;

John 4:21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the jewish people.23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24.God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

John 9:31
Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth
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Ok- its just hard keeping up with which parts of the NT you believe and which you don't...

(BTW- thanks for quoting John 6:46)


hf
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The saying goes, 'What is OLD is TRUE, What is NEW is NOT TRUE"

In other words if it is in the NT but taught in the Tanach then I accept it. If it is not in the Tanach then it isn't true, so I don't accept it.


 Quoting: Shalhevet


Then we agree...

God walked and talked in the garden...

Ecc1
 9The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

And He will again.^^



:)
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In the Garden..
There was; The serpent!!!
Which would make "perfect sense" because JC was to be lifted up as the serpent..John 3:14
Moses also used his staff/rod and it turned into a serpent and consumed the serpents of Egypt. He also put a copper serpent on a pole. Later the serpent had to be destroyed because the children of G-d were worshiping it..

Many individuals worship JC in the NT..
[link to www.biblegateway.com]

However, JC said;

Matthew 15:9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.

JC also said;

John 4:21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the jewish people.23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24.God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

John 9:31
Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth
 Quoting: Alesiah



Then we agree- God is a spirit.

The Christian NT confirms this.

You never answered - do you think God may have poured more of His spirit on Jesus than on most others?


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ONLY PAGAN WORSHIPS MORE THEN ONE GOD--- GOD OF CHRISTIANITY, JUDAISM AND ISLAM IS SAME GOD---- WE ALL ARE BROTHERS WHO ARE DIVIDED BY ILLUMINATI SECRET AGENDA---- JUST FOLLOW THE MESSAGE OF ADAM,ABRAHAM,MOSES,JESUS AND MOHAMMAD U ALL WILL BE SAVED resist
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same god by different prophet...however god in islam is a nonplayer...mohammed is the man in charge...
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Quran never says worship Mohammad --but Quran says its Allah who gave power to Moses,Abraham ,David ,Solomon ,Jesus and Mohammad ---all prophets were human-being only blessed by "Allah s power ". Only Jesus is alive and all other prophets are dead ---Muslim believe Jesus will come again to spread the truth and he will be identified by "al Mahdi " both will spread love ,end suffering and there will be ever lasting peace there-after -----Jesus will be identify by mehdi in "Syria"
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John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit ...


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You said G-d has legs and walks. What's he need legs for if he is spirit?

PS. Explain spirit. coffee4

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