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MUSLIMS ONLY WORSHIP ONE GOD: GOD OF ADAM,ABRAHAM,MOSES,DAVID,SOLOMON,JESUS AND MOHAMMAD

 
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So what is he to you...
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Thank you for asking.


It was already posted on this thread:

Hello OP,

I will share my humble views;

Scripture describes God. It says God is not a man rather God is Spirit, God is a consuming fire, The Heavens cannot contain God. To name just a a few attributes found within scripture.

I imagine God is a spiritual body. A body composed of many members.

Just as an earthly body has many members, but it is one body. All the members of the body exist to perform their role in unison for the one body.

So many parts moving and acting in perfect coordination to fulfill the will and purpose of the body. All parts of the same body.

In like manner, I see The Father as being the head of such a 'spiritual body'. I also see The Christ being a part of the same 'spiritual body'.

We see scripture refer to The Christ as 'the arm of the LORD' and the 'word of God'. So He is likened to a member(s) of a spiritual body. That body being The LORD Of Hosts.

So I see One Spiritual body (which is God), being composed of many members performing the various functions of God in perfect union and harmony to fulfill the will and purpose of God.

So you ask me Is Jesus God? My view is yes, He is a member of the spiritual body of God.

I find this view to be consistent and not contradictory with what I read in scripture.

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So we have that cleared up. You believe j'sus is god.
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So what is he to you...
 Quoting: Shalhevet


Thank you for asking.


It was already posted on this thread:

Hello OP,

I will share my humble views;

Scripture describes God. It says God is not a man rather God is Spirit, God is a consuming fire, The Heavens cannot contain God. To name just a a few attributes found within scripture.

I imagine God is a spiritual body. A body composed of many members.

Just as an earthly body has many members, but it is one body. All the members of the body exist to perform their role in unison for the one body.

So many parts moving and acting in perfect coordination to fulfill the will and purpose of the body. All parts of the same body.

In like manner, I see The Father as being the head of such a 'spiritual body'. I also see The Christ being a part of the same 'spiritual body'.

We see scripture refer to The Christ as 'the arm of the LORD' and the 'word of God'. So He is likened to a member(s) of a spiritual body. That body being The LORD Of Hosts.

So I see One Spiritual body (which is God), being composed of many members performing the various functions of God in perfect union and harmony to fulfill the will and purpose of God.

So you ask me Is Jesus God? My view is yes, He is a member of the spiritual body of God.

I find this view to be consistent and not contradictory with what I read in scripture.

peace,
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Courtesy: Jay-4370




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So we have that cleared up. You believe j'sus is god.
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He is not the Father-

John 14:28
...Father is greater than I.




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Br. Daniel,

Its seems your making us go round and round.... a big paradox.

very interesting indeed

I would like to know the follow if you dont mind.

When you being a meal do you initate a prayer etc...if yes, can you kindly illustrate a prayer before a meal for us?

Thanks
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So what is he to you...
 Quoting: Shalhevet


Thank you for asking.


It was already posted on this thread:

Hello OP,

I will share my humble views;

Scripture describes God. It says God is not a man rather God is Spirit, God is a consuming fire, The Heavens cannot contain God. To name just a a few attributes found within scripture.

I imagine God is a spiritual body. A body composed of many members.

Just as an earthly body has many members, but it is one body. All the members of the body exist to perform their role in unison for the one body.

So many parts moving and acting in perfect coordination to fulfill the will and purpose of the body. All parts of the same body.

In like manner, I see The Father as being the head of such a 'spiritual body'. I also see The Christ being a part of the same 'spiritual body'.

We see scripture refer to The Christ as 'the arm of the LORD' and the 'word of God'. So He is likened to a member(s) of a spiritual body. That body being The LORD Of Hosts.

So I see One Spiritual body (which is God), being composed of many members performing the various functions of God in perfect union and harmony to fulfill the will and purpose of God.

So you ask me Is Jesus God? My view is yes, He is a member of the spiritual body of God.

I find this view to be consistent and not contradictory with what I read in scripture.

peace,
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Courtesy: Jay-4370




^^
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051

So we have that cleared up. You believe j'sus is god.
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He is not the Father-

John 14:28
...Father is greater than I.




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Ok so j'sus is 'A' god, just not 'THE'god. peace
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Br. Daniel,

Its seems your making us go round and round.... a big paradox.

very interesting indeed

I would like to know the follow if you dont mind.

When you being a meal do you initate a prayer etc...if yes, can you kindly illustrate a prayer before a meal for us?

Thanks
 Quoting: Truth 1307494



Some, but very few, meals have been used only to help the children to learn what Jesus taught for them to say in private:

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

3Give us day by day our daily bread.

4And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
(Luke 11)

Amen


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...


Thank you for asking.


It was already posted on this thread:

...





Courtesy: Jay-4370




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So we have that cleared up. You believe j'sus is god.
 Quoting: Shalhevet



He is not the Father-

John 14:28
...Father is greater than I.




 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


Ok so j'sus is 'A' god, just not 'THE'god. peace
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Not exactly:


Jesus is an arm and The Word of "The" Father. (Humble opinion)


Peace to you also.


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I'm zoo
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lol-

having just spent the day at the zoo-

your words are a breath of sunshine-
Do you understand the words of Jay just posted?

If not -

why? (please be specific)

/\
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


Sorry about the typo. Hope you enjoyed your trip to the zoo.
Which zoo may I ask.

My keypad is too small for my thumb :)

Actually it was jay s word that ceated confusion yes.

I'm unable to wrap my head around as to what jay means with being body with GOD. So is he saying that Jesus is GOD.

Looking forward to your assistance
 Quoting: Mm 13097518



Columbus , Ohio Zoo... (Jack Hanna)

Arm of God:

Isaiah 53

1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
And who can speak of his descendants?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was stricken.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes[c] his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
11 After the suffering of his soul,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.






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Interesting that you would call j'sus the arm mentioned in Isa. 53. Seems there are a couple bibles that disagree with you..

1. The New English Bible - Oxford Study Edition

Footnote on p. 788:
52.13-53.12: Fourth Servant Song. The suffering servant. See 42,1-4 n. Israel, the servant of God, has suffered as a humiliated individual. However, the servant endured without complaint because it was vicarious suffering (suffering for others). 13-15: Nations and kings will be surprised to see the servant exalted. 53.1: The crowds, pagan nations, among whom the servant (Israel) lived, speak here (through v. 9), saying that the significance of Israel's humiliation and exaltation is hard to believe.[snip] 9: The death probably refers to the destruction and Exile of Israel.

2. Revised Standard Version - Oxfort Study Edition

Footnote on p. 889
52.13-53.12: The fourth Servant Song (see 42.1-4 n.) 52.13-15: God will exalt his brutally disfigured Servant (Israel) to the numbed astonishment of the world's rulers (49.7,23).

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Perhaps this will help:

Satan gives power to the beast.

and the beast was given a mouth:

4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast...

5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
(Rev 13)


Satan is also 'spiritual body', yet this body also has members- such as a 'mouth'

^The mouth is and was a man.^ (humble opinion)


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...


lol-

having just spent the day at the zoo-

your words are a breath of sunshine-
Do you understand the words of Jay just posted?

If not -

why? (please be specific)

/\
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


Sorry about the typo. Hope you enjoyed your trip to the zoo.
Which zoo may I ask.

My keypad is too small for my thumb :)

Actually it was jay s word that ceated confusion yes.

I'm unable to wrap my head around as to what jay means with being body with GOD. So is he saying that Jesus is GOD.

Looking forward to your assistance
 Quoting: Mm 13097518



Columbus , Ohio Zoo... (Jack Hanna)

Arm of God:

Isaiah 53

1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
And who can speak of his descendants?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was stricken.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes[c] his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
11 After the suffering of his soul,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.






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Interesting that you would call j'sus the arm mentioned in Isa. 53. Seems there are a couple bibles that disagree with you..


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Disagreements are what Jesus brought-


Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.




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Disagreements are what Jesus brought-


Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.




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Disagreements are on who Isa 53 is talking about.
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Disagreements are what Jesus brought-


Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.




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Disagreements are on who Isa 53 is talking about.
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yes of course-

Is there any bigger reason why we disagree with each other?




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Disagreements are what Jesus brought-


Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.




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Disagreements are on who Isa 53 is talking about.
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yes of course-

Is there any bigger reason why we disagree with each other?




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Are you wanting to tackle Isa. 53 and what it is referring to?
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Disagreements are what Jesus brought-


Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.




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Disagreements are on who Isa 53 is talking about.
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yes of course-

Is there any bigger reason why we disagree with each other?




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Are you wanting to tackle Isa. 53 and what it is referring to?
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It seems that we already disagree.

No sense in continuing to beat a dead horse.




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For anyone who wishes to answer this.


What would happen to a person who is isolated from the world as we live in. He has/she has no exposure to anything i.e. Judaism, Christianity, Islam and whatever else etc.

This person lives in the Amazon away from what we call the developed world.

What do you all think will happen to this person?
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For anyone who wishes to answer this.


What would happen to a person who is isolated from the world as we live in. He has/she has no exposure to anything i.e. Judaism, Christianity, Islam and whatever else etc.

This person lives in the Amazon away from what we call the developed world.

What do you all think will happen to this person?
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Each and every person has what is call a conscious. They know what is right or wrong. Guilt would play a bit in it for them to know that they had done what is wrong. So for me these verses would cover them.

Micah 6:8 - Man has told you what is good; and what does the Lord require of you? Nothing but to do justice, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your G-d.

--And with that I would say, who ever they believe there G_d to be.

I think too that you would have to keep in mind what HaShem considers sin. First off the 613 command are for Israel, not the gentiles. The gentiles have only 7 laws and they are pretty general in that most are kept without any thought of doing so. But it would also come down to what sin is.

Again I'll list the different types.

Pesha - An intentional sin; an action committed in deliberate defiance of G-d; (If they have no belief in a god then they could not commit this sin)

Ovon - This is a sin of lust or uncontrollable emotion. It is a sin done knowingly, but not done to defy G-d;

(Cain killing Able was an ovon. A WORSE sin than the one committed by Adam and Eve in the Garden. Did G-d punish all of mankind for Cain's ovon? No he didn't. He did punish Cain and sent him out of the garden. But he hadn't spelled out to Cain that killing his brother was a sin, he just told him if he wasn't careful that sin was at the door. So after Cain killed his brother; he found out it was a sin. Apparently his conscious started to bother him, and he knew then that he had messed up.)

Cheit - This is a missing of the mark -- an accidental sin.

(Again Adam and Chava (Eve) commited a cheit. A mistake; "missing of the mark." They had been told by G-d not to do it, to start with.)

But for a person who is all alone out in the middle of nowhere, what sort of sin could s/he commit?

Most uncivilized groups have their own laws that they people are suppose to follow and if they break those laws the head of the tribe will met out their punishment. And as HaShem says in Eze. 18:20-24, 27, the one who sins pays for their own sin. If one repents they are forgiven.

There is no place in the Tanach that says there is a hell, that people go to for sinning.


Now another way to look at this is that 'What goes around comes around', or you reap what you sow. If you sow good, you reap good, if you sow bad you reap bad. So if you have a father, mother, and child in the wilderness and the father tells the child not to go out after dark, and the child disobeys and leaves any way and ends up falling off a cliff and breaks an arm; is that G_d punishing the child for sin of disobedience or is it a reap what you sow?

Now that I wrote a book,I figure you just want to know if they go to heaven.... That answer is yes.
indy

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For anyone who wishes to answer this.


What would happen to a person who is isolated from the world as we live in. He has/she has no exposure to anything i.e. Judaism, Christianity, Islam and whatever else etc.

This person lives in the Amazon away from what we call the developed world.

What do you all think will happen to this person?
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This is from the link given to you last week: (Ch. 6)

Then the two disciples went to Jesus and said, "Tell us about your teachings. Shall we follow your way or that of John?"

Jesus said, "There is the Way of the Wilderness and there is my Way, alike in teaching, but calling to different men. What John teaches accords with the law even as my teaching; obey either or both, they are the law."


[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

^It is not exactly consistent with the NT^


Did you have a chance to read it?





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What would happen to a person who is isolated from the world as we live in. He has/she has no exposure to anything i.e. Judaism, Christianity, Islam and whatever else etc.

This person lives in the Amazon away from what we call the developed world.

What do you all think will happen to this person?
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Each and every person has what is call a conscious. They know what is right or wrong. Guilt would play a bit in it for them to know that they had done what is wrong. So for me these verses would cover them.

Micah 6:8 - Man has told you what is good; and what does the Lord require of you? Nothing but to do justice, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your G-d.

--And with that I would say, who ever they believe there G_d to be.

I think too that you would have to keep in mind what HaShem considers sin. First off the 613 command are for Israel, not the gentiles. The gentiles have only 7 laws and they are pretty general in that most are kept without any thought of doing so. But it would also come down to what sin is.

Again I'll list the different types.

Pesha - An intentional sin; an action committed in deliberate defiance of G-d; (If they have no belief in a god then they could not commit this sin)

Ovon - This is a sin of lust or uncontrollable emotion. It is a sin done knowingly, but not done to defy G-d;

(Cain killing Able was an ovon. A WORSE sin than the one committed by Adam and Eve in the Garden. Did G-d punish all of mankind for Cain's ovon? No he didn't. He did punish Cain and sent him out of the garden. But he hadn't spelled out to Cain that killing his brother was a sin, he just told him if he wasn't careful that sin was at the door. So after Cain killed his brother; he found out it was a sin. Apparently his conscious started to bother him, and he knew then that he had messed up.)

Cheit - This is a missing of the mark -- an accidental sin.

(Again Adam and Chava (Eve) commited a cheit. A mistake; "missing of the mark." They had been told by G-d not to do it, to start with.)

But for a person who is all alone out in the middle of nowhere, what sort of sin could s/he commit?

Most uncivilized groups have their own laws that they people are suppose to follow and if they break those laws the head of the tribe will met out their punishment. And as HaShem says in Eze. 18:20-24, 27, the one who sins pays for their own sin. If one repents they are forgiven.

There is no place in the Tanach that says there is a hell, that people go to for sinning.


Now another way to look at this is that 'What goes around comes around', or you reap what you sow. If you sow good, you reap good, if you sow bad you reap bad. So if you have a father, mother, and child in the wilderness and the father tells the child not to go out after dark, and the child disobeys and leaves any way and ends up falling off a cliff and breaks an arm; is that G_d punishing the child for sin of disobedience or is it a reap what you sow?

Now that I wrote a book,I figure you just want to know if they go to heaven.... That answer is yes.
indy
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Thanks for taking the time to answer the possibility of folks not knowing.

IN addition, how does your non-concept work in places where the evil doers get away from doing the crime or all the crimes they did without suffering much in this world.

That does happen....right?

Thank you
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For anyone who wishes to answer this.


What would happen to a person who is isolated from the world as we live in. He has/she has no exposure to anything i.e. Judaism, Christianity, Islam and whatever else etc.

This person lives in the Amazon away from what we call the developed world.

What do you all think will happen to this person?
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Each and every person has what is call a conscious. They know what is right or wrong. Guilt would play a bit in it for them to know that they had done what is wrong. So for me these verses would cover them.

Micah 6:8 - Man has told you what is good; and what does the Lord require of you? Nothing but to do justice, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your G-d.

--And with that I would say, who ever they believe there G_d to be.

I think too that you would have to keep in mind what HaShem considers sin. First off the 613 command are for Israel, not the gentiles. The gentiles have only 7 laws and they are pretty general in that most are kept without any thought of doing so. But it would also come down to what sin is.

Again I'll list the different types.

Pesha - An intentional sin; an action committed in deliberate defiance of G-d; (If they have no belief in a god then they could not commit this sin)

Ovon - This is a sin of lust or uncontrollable emotion. It is a sin done knowingly, but not done to defy G-d;

(Cain killing Able was an ovon. A WORSE sin than the one committed by Adam and Eve in the Garden. Did G-d punish all of mankind for Cain's ovon? No he didn't. He did punish Cain and sent him out of the garden. But he hadn't spelled out to Cain that killing his brother was a sin, he just told him if he wasn't careful that sin was at the door. So after Cain killed his brother; he found out it was a sin. Apparently his conscious started to bother him, and he knew then that he had messed up.)

Cheit - This is a missing of the mark -- an accidental sin.

(Again Adam and Chava (Eve) commited a cheit. A mistake; "missing of the mark." They had been told by G-d not to do it, to start with.)

But for a person who is all alone out in the middle of nowhere, what sort of sin could s/he commit?

Most uncivilized groups have their own laws that they people are suppose to follow and if they break those laws the head of the tribe will met out their punishment. And as HaShem says in Eze. 18:20-24, 27, the one who sins pays for their own sin. If one repents they are forgiven.

There is no place in the Tanach that says there is a hell, that people go to for sinning.


Now another way to look at this is that 'What goes around comes around', or you reap what you sow. If you sow good, you reap good, if you sow bad you reap bad. So if you have a father, mother, and child in the wilderness and the father tells the child not to go out after dark, and the child disobeys and leaves any way and ends up falling off a cliff and breaks an arm; is that G_d punishing the child for sin of disobedience or is it a reap what you sow?

Now that I wrote a book,I figure you just want to know if they go to heaven.... That answer is yes.
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Thanks for taking the time to answer the possibility of folks not knowing.

IN addition, how does your non-concept work in places where the evil doers get away from doing the crime or all the crimes they did without suffering much in this world.

That does happen....right?

Thank you
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CORRECTION: I mean how does the no hell concept work with situations as stated above. THANKS :)
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What I learned today:

NOT being sarcastic just stating a fact here..

1) Jesus is the body part an arm and word of the spiritual body of GOD as per Christianity thus is part of GOD and is GOd but just not THE GOD....does this mean he is not the son?



2) There is no Hell in Judaism....meaning someone who lives an evil life and commits evil may get away through the services of Dr. Jacob "Jack" Kevorkian ? Judaism states that all evil is sorted out in the present world..meaning what goes around comes around...but what if it doesnt come around what the evil doer escapes and enjoys his/her life here on earth


Please correct me if I said anything wrong above...and again I'm only stating as I understood it....and mean no disrespect...both are interesting concepts.


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What I learned today:

NOT being sarcastic just stating a fact here..

1) Jesus is the body part an arm and word of the spiritual body of GOD as per Christianity thus is part of GOD and is GOd but just not THE Father....does this mean he is not the son?



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Bolded part above

and,


He is also the Son.


hf
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What I learned today:

NOT being sarcastic just stating a fact here..

1) Jesus is the body part an arm and word of the spiritual body of GOD as per Christianity thus is part of GOD and is GOd but just not THE GOD....does this mean he is not the son?



2) There is no Hell in Judaism....meaning someone who lives an evil life and commits evil may get away through the services of Dr. Jacob "Jack" Kevorkian ? Judaism states that all evil is sorted out in the present world..meaning what goes around comes around...but what if it doesnt come around what the evil doer escapes and enjoys his/her life here on earth


Please correct me if I said anything wrong above...and again I'm only stating as I understood it....and mean no disrespect...both are interesting concepts.


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Describe evil?

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IN addition, how does your non-concept work in places where the evil doers get away from doing the crime or all the crimes they did without suffering much in this world.

That does happen....right?

Thank you
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Maybe their suffering is such that we don't see it.
Perhaps its a emptiness that is more painful than any physical pain could ever be. Jails don't do much but keep the criminals off the street. Perhaps their punishment is being in heaven and not enjoying it or understanding it. We don't know. But the Tanach doesn't mention hell. It speaks of the living, not the dead. I'm sure if HaShem had a place lined up called hell he would have mentioned it. After all fear tactics do work on most people.

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It speaks of the living, not the dead.... After all fear tactics do work on most people.

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For this is what the Lord says about the palace of the king of Judah:


“Though you are like Gilead to me,
like the summit of Lebanon,
I will surely make you like a wasteland,
like towns not inhabited.
7 I will send destroyers against you,
each man with his weapons,
and they will cut up your fine cedar beams
and throw them into the fire.

8 “People from many nations will pass by this city and will ask one another, ‘Why has the Lord done such a thing to this great city?’ 9 And the answer will be: ‘Because they have forsaken the covenant of the Lord their God and have worshiped and served other gods. ’”


10 Do not weep for the dead king...




^Dead?^


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It speaks of the living, not the dead.... After all fear tactics do work on most people.

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For this is what the Lord says about the palace of the king of Judah:


“Though you are like Gilead to me,
like the summit of Lebanon,
I will surely make you like a wasteland,
like towns not inhabited.
7 I will send destroyers against you,
each man with his weapons,
and they will cut up your fine cedar beams
and throw them into the fire.

8 “People from many nations will pass by this city and will ask one another, ‘Why has the Lord done such a thing to this great city?’ 9 And the answer will be: ‘Because they have forsaken the covenant of the Lord their God and have worshiped and served other gods. ’”


10 Do not weep for the dead king...




^Dead?^


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Other than you need to give book and chapter, what I was referring to is speaking about where or what is beyond life, other than a grave.

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It speaks of the living, not the dead.... After all fear tactics do work on most people.

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For this is what the Lord says about the palace of the king of Judah:


“Though you are like Gilead to me,
like the summit of Lebanon,
I will surely make you like a wasteland,
like towns not inhabited.
7 I will send destroyers against you,
each man with his weapons,
and they will cut up your fine cedar beams
and throw them into the fire.

8 “People from many nations will pass by this city and will ask one another, ‘Why has the Lord done such a thing to this great city?’ 9 And the answer will be: ‘Because they have forsaken the covenant of the Lord their God and have worshiped and served other gods. ’”


10 Do not weep for the dead king...




^Dead?^


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Other than you need to give book and chapter, what I was referring to is speaking about where or what is beyond life, other than a grave.
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It was an affirmation that fear tactics do work (as you mentioned)...


Jer 22




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what I was referring to is speaking about where or what is beyond life, other than a grave.
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And,

thank you for you response-


Would you agree that this is 'beyond the grave'?...


2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (Dan 12)




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what I was referring to is speaking about where or what is beyond life, other than a grave.
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And,

thank you for you response-


Would you agree that this is 'beyond the grave'?...


2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (Dan 12)




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I do believe in a heaven and hell destination. I also believe that not single soul will be served with unjust punishment on the BIG DAY.
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For anyone who wishes to answer this.


What would happen to a person who is isolated from the world as we live in. He has/she has no exposure to anything i.e. Judaism, Christianity, Islam and whatever else etc.

This person lives in the Amazon away from what we call the developed world.

What do you all think will happen to this person?
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After sleeping on it, I'm going to rephrase some of my answer.... I think you would agree that in order for a person to sin, they have to recognize that act as wrong. In order to recognize that act as wrong they have to have something to compare it to.

A person living in an environment such as you described would have had no contact with anything to compare one act against another therefore they would not recognize a sin if they were able to commit one. So, therefore they would not be held accountable.
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what I was referring to is speaking about where or what is beyond life, other than a grave.
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And,

thank you for you response-


Would you agree that this is 'beyond the grave'?...


2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (Dan 12)



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I do believe in a heaven and hell destination. I also believe that not single soul will be served with unjust punishment on the BIG DAY.
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Anything in Quran similar to this?...

Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven..


..the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

4And they shall see his face
(Rev 22)


In other words- the 'destination' comes down out of heaven.



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Muslims worship the Moon God, Allah, who can't save their souls.

Jesus is mere a prophet to them.
Muslims are religious, and believe they can enter into the Kingdom based on their good deeds.

Unless they come to Christ, they are doomed!

1 Cor 15:17 'If Christ didn't die for our sins, our faith is futile, we are still in our sins...'

That's it, in a nutshell...

ACCEPT CHRIST, FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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