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MUSLIMS ONLY WORSHIP ONE GOD: GOD OF ADAM,ABRAHAM,MOSES,DAVID,SOLOMON,JESUS AND MOHAMMAD

 
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Shalhevet,

Can you confirm if I have this right -

You do not believe in heaven or hell as per your faith - which then can lead you to not believe in life after death etc..?

So your saying all we have is this life and thats it.

Do I have this right/
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I believe that there is a life after death. I believe that doing evil will (like you say) dim you light or connection to HaShem. I believe that after death if there is this dimness that it takes time for a healing of the Soul. This time some may call hell for it is said to be painful, but is is only temporary and once the cleansing takes place the soul reconnects to HaShem in heaven.

I know there is life after death. I also believe what a person experiences may well have to do with what they have been taught though their religion. Example:

My brother had a massive heart attack. Was dead for a total of 1hr 15min... Yes I know that's unbelievable but it is true.
His wife knew CPR and immediately started working on him. (They were in Mexico and the Dr's. thought she was a Dr. so they accepted her authority and kept up when she tired.Long story.. LOL) He has a short term memory loss but other wise functions perfectly.

He was atheist when he died and now say, 'He knows there is something beyond death'. He doesn't remember what, he just knows there is something.

If you watch TV any. There is a program on BIO channel on Sunday nights at 8 or 9 which features people who have died and were resuscitated. Some of these were dead for 20 min or more. Most speak of heaven, many speak of a loving being, a few call it j'sus. After watching this program, I feel that what you experience may well be what you believe is in the after life.

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Shalhevet,

Can you confirm if I have this right -

You do not believe in heaven or hell as per your faith - which then can lead you to not believe in life after death etc..?

So your saying all we have is this life and thats it.

Do I have this right/
 Quoting: Truth 1307494


I believe that there is a life after death. I believe that doing evil will (like you say) dim you light or connection to HaShem. I believe that after death if there is this dimness that it takes time for a healing of the Soul. This time some may call hell for it is said to be painful, but is is only temporary and once the cleansing takes place the soul reconnects to HaShem in heaven.

I know there is life after death. I also believe what a person experiences may well have to do with what they have been taught though their religion. Example:

My brother had a massive heart attack. Was dead for a total of 1hr 15min... Yes I know that's unbelievable but it is true.
His wife knew CPR and immediately started working on him. (They were in Mexico and the Dr's. thought she was a Dr. so they accepted her authority and kept up when she tired.Long story.. LOL) He has a short term memory loss but other wise functions perfectly.

He was atheist when he died and now say, 'He knows there is something beyond death'. He doesn't remember what, he just knows there is something.

If you watch TV any. There is a program on BIO channel on Sunday nights at 8 or 9 which features people who have died and were resuscitated. Some of these were dead for 20 min or more. Most speak of heaven, many speak of a loving being, a few call it j'sus. After watching this program, I feel that what you experience may well be what you believe is in the after life.

coffee4
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Okay...for a moment I thought you didnt believe in life after death
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Great, we're on the same page somewhat...in peace :)

BTW I enjoy watching History Channel, Discover Channel etc..especially when they try work on religions matterss...love it.

I THINK YOU WILL LIKE THIS ....please advise

[link to www.time.com]
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Yes, I can understand your viewpoint...thank you.

I dont believe our spirit or soul sins...but it can get tarnished do-moralized with the sins...so is impacted from them...i.e someone not taking care of themselve would feel an impact on health etc....

A bright light aura around a child....as he/she grows and sees the world and perhaps falls in sin or what not...that light aura its brightness diminishes slowly and slowly.

Its like we are harming ourselves internally and just not know it. Its that FREE WILL of ours and others "JIN" aka demon or Satan....its that free will.

In my own opinion am in agreement with you though the soul does not sin.

If our spirit/soul, which comes from G_d or is a part of G_d, sins; would that mean that G_d sins?

Yes it comes from GOD with ability to find him, seek knowledge, have free will etc... We are his creations..not him..nor part him in that sense as some believe..but our sins are due to our own choice...Had GOD wanted we could've been like Angles who have no free will and just follow the command. Our sins do not mean GOD sins...if God wanted we'd have no disagreements, no wars etc... but this place is a testing ground.

Is it the conscious or subconscious? Consciousness is awareness, but does it have control over what we do? I think Consciousness can be controlled...while the Subconscious needs much practice in control...more difficult

As you know the Ads are hit towards our Subconscious for the latest 50% off deals...they know we lack control on that front.....Meaning they feel they can hit and control somewhat...meaning it is possible to control. Prayer, devotion, awarness of GOD ...are just a few forms of practice

I'm not sure if the same belief is in your faith...but In Islam...its believed that Satan aka "IBLIS" was once a good god fearing demon aka "JINN". It was his defiance to the command to bow to ADAM that got him barred.

And thus he challenged the lord that he be granted time to prove that Mankind is of no good and that he will lead them astray. The Lord gave him respite till the end of time...and stated that He will not be able to lead the good believers astray. He created us...and knows that we are capable of much evil...but at the same time are capable of soo much good.

Peace
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Very good... You sound as if you are familiar with Kabbalah.
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I don't know what that is? Well i know Madonna is a follower of that faith...but thats it :)

I only speak of or through ISLAM. But if I make any error its on me... not my faith

Peace
 Quoting: Truth 1307494


Ever here of the Zohar? Kabbalah is the mystical study/interpretation of the Torah; esoteric teachings.

"Traditional practitioners believe its earliest origins pre-date world religions, forming the primordial blueprint for Creation's philosophies, religions, sciences, arts and political systems." [Wikipedia]


I have read some about it but don't study it and much of what you are saying reminds me of what I have read.

PS.... Madonna is not a Kabbalist.
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Yes, I can understand your viewpoint...thank you.

I dont believe our spirit or soul sins...but it can get tarnished do-moralized with the sins...so is impacted from them...i.e someone not taking care of themselve would feel an impact on health etc....

A bright light aura around a child....as he/she grows and sees the world and perhaps falls in sin or what not...that light aura its brightness diminishes slowly and slowly.

Its like we are harming ourselves internally and just not know it. Its that FREE WILL of ours and others "JIN" aka demon or Satan....its that free will.

In my own opinion am in agreement with you though the soul does not sin.

If our spirit/soul, which comes from G_d or is a part of G_d, sins; would that mean that G_d sins?

Yes it comes from GOD with ability to find him, seek knowledge, have free will etc... We are his creations..not him..nor part him in that sense as some believe..but our sins are due to our own choice...Had GOD wanted we could've been like Angles who have no free will and just follow the command. Our sins do not mean GOD sins...if God wanted we'd have no disagreements, no wars etc... but this place is a testing ground.

Is it the conscious or subconscious? Consciousness is awareness, but does it have control over what we do? I think Consciousness can be controlled...while the Subconscious needs much practice in control...more difficult

As you know the Ads are hit towards our Subconscious for the latest 50% off deals...they know we lack control on that front.....Meaning they feel they can hit and control somewhat...meaning it is possible to control. Prayer, devotion, awarness of GOD ...are just a few forms of practice

I'm not sure if the same belief is in your faith...but In Islam...its believed that Satan aka "IBLIS" was once a good god fearing demon aka "JINN". It was his defiance to the command to bow to ADAM that got him barred.

And thus he challenged the lord that he be granted time to prove that Mankind is of no good and that he will lead them astray. The Lord gave him respite till the end of time...and stated that He will not be able to lead the good believers astray. He created us...and knows that we are capable of much evil...but at the same time are capable of soo much good.

Peace
 Quoting: Truth 1307494


Very good... You sound as if you are familiar with Kabbalah.
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I don't know what that is? Well i know Madonna is a follower of that faith...but thats it :)

I only speak of or through ISLAM. But if I make any error its on me... not my faith

Peace
 Quoting: Truth 1307494


Ever here of the Zohar? Kabbalah is the mystical study/interpretation of the Torah; esoteric teachings.

"Traditional practitioners believe its earliest origins pre-date world religions, forming the primordial blueprint for Creation's philosophies, religions, sciences, arts and political systems." [Wikipedia]


I have read some about it but don't study it and much of what you are saying reminds me of what I have read.

PS.... Madonna is not a Kabbalist.
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Regarding - Madonna >>>

[link to www.independent.co.uk]

I stand corrected -- sorry

What you describe via wiki on Kabbalah seems similar to the Islamic Sufism.

links between Islamic Sufism and Jewish Kabbalah deserve to be studied.

Peace
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Very good... You sound as if you are familiar with Kabbalah.
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I don't know what that is? Well i know Madonna is a follower of that faith...but thats it :)

I only speak of or through ISLAM. But if I make any error its on me... not my faith

Peace
 Quoting: Truth 1307494


Ever here of the Zohar? Kabbalah is the mystical study/interpretation of the Torah; esoteric teachings.

"Traditional practitioners believe its earliest origins pre-date world religions, forming the primordial blueprint for Creation's philosophies, religions, sciences, arts and political systems." [Wikipedia]


I have read some about it but don't study it and much of what you are saying reminds me of what I have read.

PS.... Madonna is not a Kabbalist.
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Regarding - Madonna >>>

[link to www.independent.co.uk]

I stand corrected -- sorry

What you describe via wiki on Kabbalah seems similar to the Islamic Sufism.

links between Islamic Sufism and Jewish Kabbalah deserve to be studied.

Peace
 Quoting: Truth 1307494


I agree they do need to be studied. MY own thoughts on this is that every religion has the same origins; man made the changes, thus confusion has resulted.

I have things I have to do at the moment. When I return I'll cover the covenant if you'll leave me with which covenant you are referring to.
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I agree they do need to be studied. MY own thoughts on this is that every religion has the same origins; man made the changes, thus confusion has resulted.

I have things I have to do at the moment. When I return I'll cover the covenant if you'll leave me with which covenant you are referring to.
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Sorry - I was under the impression that a general breach of any part or the entire covenant would have some form of repercussion and so did not have any specific part...just a general question...

If you breach any part of the contract with God...what is the outcome....i.e you breach a businss contract the entire contract is then nullified...

Looking forward to your response

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Mr.Truth,


Is there anything such as this in Quran?...

Matthew 19:5
... ... a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh



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I agree they do need to be studied. MY own thoughts on this is that every religion has the same origins; man made the changes, thus confusion has resulted.

I have things I have to do at the moment. When I return I'll cover the covenant if you'll leave me with which covenant you are referring to.
 Quoting: Truth 1307494


Sorry - I was under the impression that a general breach of any part or the entire covenant would have some form of repercussion and so did not have any specific part...just a general question...

If you breach any part of the contract with God...what is the outcome....i.e you breach a businss contract the entire contract is then nullified...

Looking forward to your response

Regards
 Quoting: Shalhevet

Hope this covers it.

Everlasting = olam. It also means forever, perpetual, eternal, never ending.

The curses are in Deut. 28. It appears in Ch 29 that Moshe was telling them that Israel would break the covenant. In these next verses we see what HaShem said he would do after Israel repents and turns back to Him. As HaShem said it is an everlasting covenant.

Deut. 30

1. And it will be, when all these things come upon you the blessing and the curse which I have set before you that you will consider in your heart, among all the nations where the Lord your God has banished you,

2. and you will return to the Lord, your God, with all your heart and with all your soul, and you will listen to His voice according to all that I am commanding you this day you and your children,

3. then, the Lord, your God, will bring back your exiles, and He will have mercy upon you. He will once again gather you from all the nations, where the Lord, your God, had dispersed you.

4. Even if your exiles are at the end of the heavens, the Lord, your God, will gather you from there, and He will take you from there.

5. And the Lord, your God, will bring you to the land which your forefathers possessed, and you [too] will take possession of it, and He will do good to you, and He will make you more numerous than your forefathers.

How do we know that the covenant is still in existence even when Israel has turned from HaShem?

Leviticus 26:44 "And yet for all that (rebellion), when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them, neither will I abhor them, destroy them, [nor] break the covenant with them, for I am HaShem, their G-d."


Now we see also that HaShem made another covenant with Israel, the … Genesis 17. This is the covenant of Abraham, which contained no conditions at all. (Gen 15) circumcision (bris), this was inclusion for Abraham’s offspring for relationship, (to become Hashem chosen and to have Hashem become their G-d), Hashem does not state anywhere in the Torah that Israel could break (i.e. abolish) Abraham’s covenant, which was a land deed and nothing more, the covenant being long since executed and sealed by oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and therefore immutable.

goodnews
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Mohammed was a true prophit and was mentioned in the bible. [link to www.youtube.com]
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Mohammed was a true prophit and was mentioned in the bible. [link to www.youtube.com]
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If he is mentioned in the bible, how about giving a book, chapter, verse.
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Mr.Truth,


Is there anything such as this in Quran?...

Matthew 19:5
... ... a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh



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No sir...

But I would like to ask that you also paste 19:1
19:2 and 19:3-4-6

Because it seems and correct me if Im wrong....that you took something out of a entire paragraph and left the rest out.

Please paste the rest too for better understanding

Thank you
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I agree they do need to be studied. MY own thoughts on this is that every religion has the same origins; man made the changes, thus confusion has resulted.

I have things I have to do at the moment. When I return I'll cover the covenant if you'll leave me with which covenant you are referring to.
 Quoting: Truth 1307494


Sorry - I was under the impression that a general breach of any part or the entire covenant would have some form of repercussion and so did not have any specific part...just a general question...

If you breach any part of the contract with God...what is the outcome....i.e you breach a businss contract the entire contract is then nullified...

Looking forward to your response

Regards
 Quoting: Shalhevet

Hope this covers it.

Everlasting = olam. It also means forever, perpetual, eternal, never ending.

The curses are in Deut. 28. It appears in Ch 29 that Moshe was telling them that Israel would break the covenant. In these next verses we see what HaShem said he would do after Israel repents and turns back to Him. As HaShem said it is an everlasting covenant.

Deut. 30

1. And it will be, when all these things come upon you the blessing and the curse which I have set before you that you will consider in your heart, among all the nations where the Lord your God has banished you,

2. and you will return to the Lord, your God, with all your heart and with all your soul, and you will listen to His voice according to all that I am commanding you this day you and your children,

3. then, the Lord, your God, will bring back your exiles, and He will have mercy upon you. He will once again gather you from all the nations, where the Lord, your God, had dispersed you.

4. Even if your exiles are at the end of the heavens, the Lord, your God, will gather you from there, and He will take you from there.

5. And the Lord, your God, will bring you to the land which your forefathers possessed, and you [too] will take possession of it, and He will do good to you, and He will make you more numerous than your forefathers.

How do we know that the covenant is still in existence even when Israel has turned from HaShem?

Leviticus 26:44 "And yet for all that (rebellion), when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them, neither will I abhor them, destroy them, [nor] break the covenant with them, for I am HaShem, their G-d."


Now we see also that HaShem made another covenant with Israel, the … Genesis 17. This is the covenant of Abraham, which contained no conditions at all. (Gen 15) circumcision (bris), this was inclusion for Abraham’s offspring for relationship, (to become Hashem chosen and to have Hashem become their G-d), Hashem does not state anywhere in the Torah that Israel could break (i.e. abolish) Abraham’s covenant, which was a land deed and nothing more, the covenant being long since executed and sealed by oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and therefore immutable.

goodnews
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Thank you Shalhevet
I now have better understood the matter - thank you
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Mohammed was a true prophit and was mentioned in the bible. [link to www.youtube.com]
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If he is mentioned in the bible, how about giving a book, chapter, verse.
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Just my opinion here...he may indeed have been mentioned in the orginal spoken language of Jesus (PBUH) but considering the state of the bible at the present time...we would never know the truth...

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Mr.Truth,


Is there anything such as this in Quran?...

Matthew 19:5
... ... a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh



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No sir...

But I would like to ask that you also paste 19:1
19:2 and 19:3-4-6

Because it seems and correct me if Im wrong....that you took something out of a entire paragraph and left the rest out.

Please paste the rest too for better understanding

Thank you
 Quoting: Truth 1307494


It was just to highlight the question:

Here is the rest:

And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;

2 And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.

3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.



If not too personal: Are you married Mr. Truth?


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Mr.Truth,


Is there anything such as this in Quran?...

Matthew 19:5
... ... a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh

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No sir...

But I would like to ask that you also paste 19:1
19:2 and 19:3-4-6

Because it seems and correct me if Im wrong....that you took something out of a entire paragraph and left the rest out.

Please paste the rest too for better understanding

Thank you
 Quoting: Truth 1307494


It was just to highlight the question:

Here is the rest:

And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;

2 And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.

3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.



If not too personal: Are you married Mr. Truth?


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Yes sir I am and thank you for the pasting the rest.

Can you clarify what is being asked in 19:3 as I might be misunderstanding the question...to not jump the gun...would like your understanding as to what the question is ....which then is being answer in 19:4-5

Thanks
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Mr.Truth,


Is there anything such as this in Quran?...

Matthew 19:5
... ... a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh

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No sir...

But I would like to ask that you also paste 19:1
19:2 and 19:3-4-6

Because it seems and correct me if Im wrong....that you took something out of a entire paragraph and left the rest out.

Please paste the rest too for better understanding

Thank you
 Quoting: Truth 1307494


It was just to highlight the question:

Here is the rest:

And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;

2 And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.

3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.



If not too personal: Are you married Mr. Truth?


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Yes sir I am and thank you for the pasting the rest.

Can you clarify what is being asked in 19:3 as I might be misunderstanding the question...to not jump the gun...would like your understanding as to what the question is ....which then is being answer in 19:4-5

Thanks
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This might help:

7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

(Matt 19)




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No sir...

But I would like to ask that you also paste 19:1
19:2 and 19:3-4-6

Because it seems and correct me if Im wrong....that you took something out of a entire paragraph and left the rest out.

Please paste the rest too for better understanding

Thank you
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It was just to highlight the question:

Here is the rest:

And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;

2 And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.

3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.



If not too personal: Are you married Mr. Truth?


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Yes sir I am and thank you for the pasting the rest.

Can you clarify what is being asked in 19:3 as I might be misunderstanding the question...to not jump the gun...would like your understanding as to what the question is ....which then is being answer in 19:4-5

Thanks
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This might help:

7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

(Matt 19)


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Thank you - Am still not sure as to where your taking this.
And also I respectfully asked YOUR understanding of the question....what do you think is being asked?

Thanks
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It was just to highlight the question:

Here is the rest:

And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;

2 And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.

3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.



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Yes sir I am and thank you for the pasting the rest.

Can you clarify what is being asked in 19:3 as I might be misunderstanding the question...to not jump the gun...would like your understanding as to what the question is ....which then is being answer in 19:4-5

Thanks
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This might help:

7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

(Matt 19)


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Thank you - Am still not sure as to where your taking this.
And also I respectfully asked YOUR understanding of the question....what do you think is being asked?

Thanks
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Not taking it anywhere- just curious if Quran stressed the importance of two becoming one.

Re: Understanding- (Humble opinion) We are not to divorce (except as noted re:fornication)

Also, however- (another opinion)-

Jesus said, "Marriage is the blending of two spirits; fornication is the joining of flesh. Nothing done or not done changes this. But if a man and woman be married in the sight of God and not before a priest, let this union not be lightly put apart. For I assure you that no future marriage blessed by priest or otherwise will be a marriage in spirit; it will be no more than fornication."

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]




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Yes sir I am and thank you for the pasting the rest.

Can you clarify what is being asked in 19:3 as I might be misunderstanding the question...to not jump the gun...would like your understanding as to what the question is ....which then is being answer in 19:4-5

Thanks
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This might help:

7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

(Matt 19)


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Thank you - Am still not sure as to where your taking this.
And also I respectfully asked YOUR understanding of the question....what do you think is being asked?

Thanks
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Not taking it anywhere- just curious if Quran stressed the importance of two becoming one.

Re: Understanding- (Humble opinion) We are not to divorce (except as noted re:fornication)

Also, however- (another opinion)-

Jesus said, "Marriage is the blending of two spirits; fornication is the joining of flesh. Nothing done or not done changes this. But if a man and woman be married in the sight of God and not before a priest, let this union not be lightly put apart. For I assure you that no future marriage blessed by priest or otherwise will be a marriage in spirit; it will be no more than fornication."

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

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Thank you-- this is great stuff...alot of it standard throughout the world.

Is there anything else with respect to divorce in the Bible any other verses? etc..
In addition, you state your not to divorce...can a woman divorce you? Or is just a man thing?

and is there any other reason beside fornication that can allow for a divorce?

Thanks
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This might help:

7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

(Matt 19)


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Thank you - Am still not sure as to where your taking this.
And also I respectfully asked YOUR understanding of the question....what do you think is being asked?

Thanks
 Quoting: Truth 1307494





Not taking it anywhere- just curious if Quran stressed the importance of two becoming one.

Re: Understanding- (Humble opinion) We are not to divorce (except as noted re:fornication)

Also, however- (another opinion)-

Jesus said, "Marriage is the blending of two spirits; fornication is the joining of flesh. Nothing done or not done changes this. But if a man and woman be married in the sight of God and not before a priest, let this union not be lightly put apart. For I assure you that no future marriage blessed by priest or otherwise will be a marriage in spirit; it will be no more than fornication."

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

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Thank you-- this is great stuff...alot of it standard throughout the world.

Is there anything else with respect to divorce in the Bible any other verses? etc..
In addition, you state your not to divorce...can a woman divorce you? Or is just a man thing?

and is there any other reason beside fornication that can allow for a divorce?

Thanks
 Quoting: Truth 1307494


Itseems that if the man and the woman both truly share this in common:

Mark 12:30
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.


Then their spirits are most likely united.


Here are Bible verses re: Divorce [link to www.biblegateway.com]

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ does not say that a woman cannot divorce a man and Jesus only gives the one exception)



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Mohammed was a true prophit and was mentioned in the bible. [link to www.youtube.com]
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If he is mentioned in the bible, how about giving a book, chapter, verse.
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Just my opinion here...he may indeed have been mentioned in the orginal spoken language of Jesus (PBUH) but considering the state of the bible at the present time...we would never know the truth...

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Mohammed was a true prophit and was mentioned in the bible. [link to www.youtube.com]
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If he is mentioned in the bible, how about giving a book, chapter, verse.
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Did you watch the YouTube link I posted. Please do if you have not.
Regrds

Just my opinion here...he may indeed have been mentioned in the orginal spoken language of Jesus (PBUH) but considering the state of the bible at the present time...we would never know the truth...

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Thank you - Am still not sure as to where your taking this.
And also I respectfully asked YOUR understanding of the question....what do you think is being asked?

Thanks
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Not taking it anywhere- just curious if Quran stressed the importance of two becoming one.

Re: Understanding- (Humble opinion) We are not to divorce (except as noted re:fornication)

Also, however- (another opinion)-

Jesus said, "Marriage is the blending of two spirits; fornication is the joining of flesh. Nothing done or not done changes this. But if a man and woman be married in the sight of God and not before a priest, let this union not be lightly put apart. For I assure you that no future marriage blessed by priest or otherwise will be a marriage in spirit; it will be no more than fornication."

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

][
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


Thank you-- this is great stuff...alot of it standard throughout the world.

Is there anything else with respect to divorce in the Bible any other verses? etc..
In addition, you state your not to divorce...can a woman divorce you? Or is just a man thing?

and is there any other reason beside fornication that can allow for a divorce?

Thanks
 Quoting: Truth 1307494


Itseems that if the man and the woman both truly share this in common:

Mark 12:30
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.


Then their spirits are most likely united.


Here are Bible verses re: Divorce [link to www.biblegateway.com]

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ does not say that a woman cannot divorce a man and Jesus only gives the one exception)



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So far i have no disagreement with you I think what you have in the bible is fair.

But please confirm that you believe that a divorse is only permissible for that ONE REASON and nothing more?

Because this then can be a disagreement
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I came across this one verse on the link you provided to me above..

A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or an harlot, these shall he not take: but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife.


- Please advise what does this mean...am i correct when i say it means that a widow, or a divorced woman can not re-marry?

Looking forward to your response

Regards
M
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On totally different matter...You have right to your opinion and i respect that...thus i too have a right on the same matter.

Today's Christianity Not Jesus' Religion*
[5:72] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, .son of Mary. The Messiah himself said, "O Children of .Israel, you shall worship GOD; my Lord* and your Lord." .Anyone who sets up any idol beside GOD, GOD has forbidden Paradise for him, and his destiny is Hell. The wicked .have no helpers.

This includes pictures of Jesus where people look at the picture and pray towards him even if not to him...or perhaps to him. 1) They have no evidence as to what Jesus looked like yet they have pictures hanging

(footnote) *5:72-76 In John 20:17, we see that Jesus taught that he was neither God, nor the son of God. Many theologians . have concluded, after careful research, that today's Christianity is not the same Christianity taught by Jesus.

Now you may ask as to my sources: MY #1 source is the Quran and next various books etc...i.e 2 books on this subject are ``The Myth of God Incarnate'' (The Westminster Press, Philadelphia, 1977) and The ``Mythmaker'' (Harper & Row, New York, 1986). On the front jacket of ``The Mythmaker''. we read the following statement: ".Hyam Maccoby presents new arguments to support the view that Paul, not. Jesus, was the founder of Christianity it was Paul alone who created a new religion through his vision of Jesus as a divine Saviour who died to save humanity."

My view and my opinion...you do not need to be offended but i would like a open mind to the concept at minmum.

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I came across this one verse on the link you provided to me above..

A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or an harlot, these shall he not take: but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife.


- Please advise what does this mean...am i correct when i say it means that a widow, or a divorced woman can not re-marry?

Looking forward to your response

Regards
M
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Perhaps Ms. Shalhevet can best answer that question. (It is question from her Torah)

The NT has a different view.



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But please confirm that you believe that a divorse is only permissible for that ONE REASON and nothing more?

Because this then can be a disagreement
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Yes- one reason.



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I came across this one verse on the link you provided to me above..

A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or an harlot, these shall he not take: but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife.


- Please advise what does this mean...am i correct when i say it means that a widow, or a divorced woman can not re-marry?

Looking forward to your response

Regards
M
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Perhaps Ms. Shalhevet can best answer that question. (It is question from her Torah)

The NT has a different view.



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Fair enough...but does the KING JAME Bible not include the torah..meaning its part of it and so you do read it no?
and thus undertand and follow right?
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But please confirm that you believe that a divorse is only permissible for that ONE REASON and nothing more?

Because this then can be a disagreement
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Yes- one reason.



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I apologize in advance if what i have to say is desrespectful as its not my intention to do that to you.

Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly...because you are saying that in your faith there is only 1 reason that allows for a divorce etc.. In addition, after further review of your link it seems - Marriage is a covenant agreement, meant for life, therefore it must not be broken under ANY circumstance; REmarriage further violates the covenant and therefore is not permissible

Maybe its my lack of understanding that is leading me to think that Islam has more realistic teachings with respec to a divorce etc...

Again its my opinion based on understanding of your answers etc.. so if i misunderstand its my fault and I apologize.

You see your saying only 1 reason and thats it. Which really does do Justice to man nor wife etc... next is the fact that getting remarried without an annulment is a sin?

1) Please advise on severe spousal abuse - is that valid for a divorce?

2) A wife who loses her husband to death etc..she can re-marry? no - please respond based on our nt or your belief

Thank you and again my apologies in advance to you

Regards








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I came across this one verse on the link you provided to me above..

A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or an harlot, these shall he not take: but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife.


- Please advise what does this mean...am i correct when i say it means that a widow, or a divorced woman can not re-marry?

Looking forward to your response

Regards
M
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Perhaps Ms. Shalhevet can best answer that question. (It is question from her Torah)

The NT has a different view.



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Fair enough...but does the KING JAME Bible not include the torah..meaning its part of it and so you do read it no?
and thus undertand and follow right?
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Well-

That is the difference between jewish people and Christians.

The NT 'clarifies' the Old Testament. (according to Christians)



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ONLY PAGAN WORSHIPS MORE THEN ONE GOD--- GOD OF CHRISTIANITY, JUDAISM AND ISLAM IS SAME GOD---- WE ALL ARE BROTHERS WHO ARE DIVIDED BY ILLUMINATI SECRET AGENDA---- JUST FOLLOW THE MESSAGE OF ADAM,ABRAHAM,MOSES,JESUS AND MOHAMMAD U ALL WILL BE SAVED resist
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