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"Stop Comparing Fukushima to Chernobyl"

 
Anonymous Coward
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03/19/2012 05:24 AM
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Nice set of propaganda you got there Atom-boy..

According to some other figures, nearly 1 million died because of thernobyl.. And if you can't even get a fair number on that accident, what makes you think there is anything near a fair number on this accident ?
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03/19/2012 05:34 AM
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Nice set of propaganda you got there Atom-boy..

According to some other figures, nearly 1 million died because of thernobyl.. And if you can't even get a fair number on that accident, what makes you think there is anything near a fair number on this accident ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7367792


That you cant get real Data from the Soviet Union and later
"former Soviet Union" is not a big Surprise for me,
the Ukraine and the Belarus are not free Countries!

But Japan is not like the Ukraine, not like Belarus
and not like the Soviet Union!

Of course i have doubt also in the Japanese Data
but roughly they are right,
they are running in broad Outline with the Simulations
and other Mathematic Models of independent Organizations!

Look, even Greenpeace is really quit!

And i never said that we will see no Death in Japan,
Guys please read it instead of jumping from one Headline to the next,
i expect 200.000 cases of Cancer because of F'Shima a Year
with the result of 4.000 Deaths for the next 300 Years!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 05:38 AM
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Re: "Stop Comparing Fukushima to Chernobyl"
You act as if Fukushima has been contained, it has not and will not be for years. The core of one reactor has melted through the floor of the containment unit and the floor of the room the containment unit was in. I was under the impression this was prevented when Chernobyl was encased in concrete.

In Japan there are spent rods in Unit 4 sitting in a pool of water that is exposed to the atmosphere and the environment. The Japanese are concerned the wall of the pool may give way and start leaking with the next earthquake. They plan to submerge a unit in the pool of water transfer the rods to the unit and then with a crane move that into a stable pool of water. They estimate this will be completed in December 2013

Sure the initial accidents were different but the fact we are not equipped to deal with the aftermath either one is the what makes the similar
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Re: "Stop Comparing Fukushima to Chernobyl"
Nice set of propaganda you got there Atom-boy..

According to some other figures, nearly 1 million died because of thernobyl.. And if you can't even get a fair number on that accident, what makes you think there is anything near a fair number on this accident ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7367792


That you cant get real Data from the Soviet Union and later
"former Soviet Union" is not a big Surprise for me,
the Ukraine and the Belarus are not free Countries!

But Japan is not like the Ukraine, not like Belarus
and not like the Soviet Union!

Of course i have doubt also in the Japanese Data
but roughly they are right,
they are running in broad Outline with the Simulations
and other Mathematic Models of independent Organizations!

Look, even Greenpeace is really quit!

And i never said that we will see no Death in Japan,
Guys please read it instead of jumping from one Headline to the next,
i expect 200.000 cases of Cancer because of F'Shima a Year
with the result of 4.000 Deaths!
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


But this accident was worse.. the surrounding areas have more habitants than tjernobyl.. At Tjernobyl, they were quicker to build containment..

I would rather compare tjernobyl to fukushima, then the other way around
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03/19/2012 05:53 AM
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You act as if Fukushima has been contained, it has not and will not be for years. The core of one reactor has melted through the floor of the containment unit and the floor of the room the containment unit was in. I was under the impression this was prevented when Chernobyl was encased in concrete.

In Japan there are spent rods in Unit 4 sitting in a pool of water that is exposed to the atmosphere and the environment. The Japanese are concerned the wall of the pool may give way and start leaking with the next earthquake. They plan to submerge a unit in the pool of water transfer the rods to the unit and then with a crane move that into a stable pool of water. They estimate this will be completed in December 2013

Sure the initial accidents were different but the fact we are not equipped to deal with the aftermath either one is the what makes the similar
 Quoting: Brunhilda


Where you get your Data from?
I really want to know this!

No Core is molten "through Floors"
and no SFP was exposed to the Air (without Water)
the US expected this in the first Days as you can read
in the Report from the US but later they realized that
they have been wrong!

Pool Nr. 3 is already cleaned up
and they are working on Pool Nr. 4 in the last Week
and this one, they plan to finish this Work in 2013
but maybe even earlier!
(Check Roadmap)

The Pool itself is more stable than before the Quake of 03/11,
all the Threads here (from Citizenmoerp) was baseless Rumors
and pure Fearmongering!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 05:55 AM
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Atom-Boy (OP)

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03/19/2012 06:03 AM
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Re: "Stop Comparing Fukushima to Chernobyl"
But this accident was worse.. the surrounding areas have more habitants than tjernobyl.. At Tjernobyl, they were quicker to build containment..

I would rather compare tjernobyl to fukushima, then the other way around
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7367792


When you said/ wrote: "The Potential was worse"
i would implicit agree with you, no doubt,
until now we are more than lucky
that we got a new Chance to end the stupidity of Nuclear Energy!

But to end this we can't relied on wrong Data, Lies
and Distraction!

Alone in this Discussion here we can see how ill-informed
so many People are and the so called "Alternative Media"
as well as Tepco and the J-Government is responsible for that!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 06:03 AM
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03/19/2012 06:18 AM
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Re: "Stop Comparing Fukushima to Chernobyl"
OP is a pathetic shill. I'm quite certain this excuse for a human being feels no shame in what he is doing. YUCK!

Fortunately, some people are decent enough to try informing people about the real situation:

[link to www.infiniteunknown.net]


OP - go fuck yourself!
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03/19/2012 06:21 AM
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Fukashima will be the death of half the planet.

Thankyou so very much Japan, keep up the good work!
Atom-Boy (OP)

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03/19/2012 06:23 AM
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OP is a pathetic shill. I'm quite certain this excuse for a human being feels no shame in what he is doing. YUCK!

Fortunately, some people are decent enough to try informing people about the real situation:

[link to www.infiniteunknown.net]


OP - go fuck yourself!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1473577


Busby?
Snake-Oil Busby?

rofl

You failed deeply,
you degenerated Conglomerate of genetic Shit!

Edit: Just check an Article called
"Post-Fukushima Anti-Radiation Pills condemned by Scientist"
cant post or link the Article because of the Copyright Policy!


Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 06:30 AM
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03/19/2012 06:25 AM
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Re: "Stop Comparing Fukushima to Chernobyl"
Nice set of propaganda you got there Atom-boy..

According to some other figures, nearly 1 million died because of thernobyl.. And if you can't even get a fair number on that accident, what makes you think there is anything near a fair number on this accident ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7367792


That you cant get real Data from the Soviet Union and later
"former Soviet Union" is not a big Surprise for me,
the Ukraine and the Belarus are not free Countries!

But Japan is not like the Ukraine, not like Belarus
and not like the Soviet Union!

Of course i have doubt also in the Japanese Data
but roughly they are right,
they are running in broad Outline with the Simulations
and other Mathematic Models of independent Organizations!

Look, even Greenpeace is really quit!

And i never said that we will see no Death in Japan,
Guys please read it instead of jumping from one Headline to the next,
i expect 200.000 cases of Cancer because of F'Shima a Year
with the result of 4.000 Deaths for the next 300 Years!
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


200 thousand cases of cancer per year for the next 300 years will result in much more than your predicted 4 thousand deaths! How's about adding a few more zeros? Thats just plain moronic!
Atom-Boy (OP)

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03/19/2012 06:34 AM
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@ Doner Kebab Stallholder

I wrote that i expect 4.000 Death a Year for the next 300 Years!
i expect 200.000 cases of Cancer because of F'Shima a Year
with the result of 4.000 Deaths (a Year)
for the next 300 Years!


It was a little bit difficult to read!

Thyroid Cancer for example is treatable with high Chances of Success!
(93%)
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 06:38 AM
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03/19/2012 06:38 AM
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@ Doner Kebab Stallholder

I wrote that i expect 4.000 Death a Year for the next 300 Years!
i expect 200.000 cases of Cancer because of F'Shima a Year
with the result of 4.000 Deaths (a Year)
for the next 300 Years!


It was a little bit difficult to read!
 Quoting: Atom-Boy



Ok, an honest misunderstanding.
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03/19/2012 06:42 AM
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I am more concerned about how it will hold up to another EQ and/or tsunami.
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03/19/2012 06:54 AM
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I am more concerned about how it will hold up to another EQ and/or tsunami.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2427876


Since the big one we has had already more than 5.000 Quakes
above Mag. 4,5 in that area, many Times a few- just seconds behind each other,
we also had afir 6 massive ones above Mag. 6!

When you, as well as the other People here read:
[link to www.tepco.co.jp]
they would understand what's really Matters!

The Cooling get better every day
and the SFP is more stable than ever,
but i am concerned too
and will not sleep well until the Pool is empty!

Chernobyl is also not Off,
many People here really think that the Sarcophagus is working,
this People need to wake up!

The Chances for a new Disaster, or even a Catastrophe
like we saw 1986 is very high,
until the World provide 1.000.000.000 Euro for a new Sarcophagus,
the Ukraine cant pay this alone and Russia don't want to help!

Please research this!
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 06:57 AM
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03/19/2012 07:17 AM
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OP...move to Fukushima...I hear the rent is really low...and in 6 months when you are dead...write back and tell us how it was... iamwith
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03/19/2012 07:18 AM
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Chernobyl keeps on giving and so will Fukushima.. Thanks...
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You act as if Fukushima has been contained, it has not and will not be for years. The core of one reactor has melted through the floor of the containment unit and the floor of the room the containment unit was in. I was under the impression this was prevented when Chernobyl was encased in concrete.

In Japan there are spent rods in Unit 4 sitting in a pool of water that is exposed to the atmosphere and the environment. The Japanese are concerned the wall of the pool may give way and start leaking with the next earthquake. They plan to submerge a unit in the pool of water transfer the rods to the unit and then with a crane move that into a stable pool of water. They estimate this will be completed in December 2013

Sure the initial accidents were different but the fact we are not equipped to deal with the aftermath either one is the what makes the similar
 Quoting: Brunhilda


Where you get your Data from?
I really want to know this!

No Core is molten "through Floors"
and no SFP was exposed to the Air (without Water)
the US expected this in the first Days as you can read
in the Report from the US but later they realized that
they have been wrong!

Pool Nr. 3 is already cleaned up
and they are working on Pool Nr. 4 in the last Week
and this one, they plan to finish this Work in 2013
but maybe even earlier!
(Check Roadmap)

The Pool itself is more stable than before the Quake of 03/11,
all the Threads here (from Citizenmoerp) was baseless Rumors
and pure Fearmongering!
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


(thinking out loud about your perfcormance, AB):-

Ha ha ha haaaa ------- (then) ----------- Oh Geezus, he's serious! ... He really believes what he is saying or he is really trying hard to pretend that he actually believes it.

A lot of people are like AB here. They don't want to know and even if they were told the truth on the manipulated media they would adapt their ears and mind so it doesn't sink in.


One more wobble might be all that is needed to demolish the creaking, rusty and cracked stumps of the reactors up there and then what is AB going to whine about against those concerned?

Oh no! This is Chernobyl on steroids. Money manages the media accounts and the politicians.

This disaster is very useful to conscience-less drones working for the money-men. The old are quietly being culled even faster than before... so no pension for them! Babies aren't being born because parents often decide it is too risky in the light of possible problems arising from being radioactively contaminated. The ID-challenged army on Skid Row in Downtown cities are being thinned and eradicated and at the same time they are being used for photo-ops dressed in (useless) radiation suits after being bused from their underpasses on their one-way trip to Fukushima.

The politicians are making a mint out of Fukushima. Now they'll hike taxes to pay for TEPCO's mistakes and oversights and this money will trickle down through all those OB networks so all the bigwigs get a slice of the pile of cash.

This is slow-motion death for Japan - it needn't have been this way, but for whatever reasons, ruining the entire country and possible the whole planet was seen as being more advantageous to those pulling the strings.

If the radioactively contaminated area had been evacuated shortly after the radiation started pouring out then there might have been a chance for a future of Japan. TEPCO refused to build an underground dam to help prevent radioactive isotopes from reaching the sea - but plans were scrapped because it would have adversely affected TEPCO's share prices. ... meaning of course that money takes priority over people and the environment.

Tens of millions will die or never survive gestation due to Fukushima.

It makes you wonder why or how THEY think they can get away with all the bs and lies? It disturbs me to think the reason might be because they know enough people are invincibly naive or are applying stupidity with gusto and on cue so that whoever is aware of the real dangers is out on a limb and effectively prevented from getting sensible measures adopted to deal with the ongoing Fukushima disaster.

Or maybe they know another event is going to come along and eclipse Fuku and after it people will have something even worse than Fukushima to worry about? ... The mind boggles (when I bother to think about it).
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OP is a Japanese government shill.. s226
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you know


i truly hope this is for real and fukushima is not a big deal after all


i pray for this to be true every day

my thoughts with Japan

God Bless You
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you know


i truly hope this is for real and fukushima is not a big deal after all


i pray for this to be true every day

my thoughts with Japan

God Bless You
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12618566


So desu, i agree with you for 100%
and say "thank you" for your Prayers!

Of course i am not inside of Daiichi
so they can tell me everything,
but i still believe in the good and i will not change this
for the sake of Doom!

But again:
"F'Shima is a big Deal"
and it will be the reason for Death, Suffering, Pain and Loneliness!

Chernobyl was a Catastrophe on a unimaginable Scale
and F'Shima is a Disaster where we can see already
a Silver Lining on the Horizon!
G.Y.!B.E.
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OP is a Japanese government shill.. s226
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Anonymous Coward 1211208 is a fuckin Troll charlie

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 07:51 AM
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you know


i truly hope this is for real and fukushima is not a big deal after all


i pray for this to be true every day

my thoughts with Japan

God Bless You
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12618566


So desu, i agree with you for 100%
and say "thank you" for your Prayers!

Of course i am not inside of Daiichi
so they can tell me everything,
but i still believe in the good and i will not change this
for the sake of Doom!

But again:
"F'Shima is a big Deal"
and it will be the reason for Death, Suffering, Pain and Loneliness!

Chernobyl was a Catastrophe on a unimaginable Scale
and F'Shima is a Disaster where we can see already
a Silver Lining on the Horizon
!
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


You've got shares in thyroid surgery instruments? Good thinking! There are going to be entire new facilities to cope with the ballooning numberof people with problems relating to Fukushima, and you are someone who is thinking ahead?

What silver lining? Those ridiculous cloth tents which are supposed to go over the remains of the reactors and save us all? That the melting corium is going to contained forever by guessing where it is and pointing a hose at it by robot?

The reactors are far from stable and #5 & 6 are slowly but surely going out of control - hope they get the fuel out before that all gets melted into a pile like the other three.

When the temperature goes up it's because the gauges have all broken. Maybe when another load of fuel spills out they'll say the instruments measuring radiation are out of order as well?

The only sensible thing to do is to evacuate as soon as possible and to contain the radioactive refuse in Fukushima and save the rest of the country. ... I mean - anyone can stay where the radioactive fallout wafts in if they know the risks, but to tell people - and especially mothers and children that radiation from Fukushima poses no serious threat is criminal.

No deaths from radiation? You mean it's just not broadcasted. Deaths are in the thousands and that's not counting those babies who are not being born.

Radiation-related health problems tend to peak in adults after twenty years. With children it's much sooner - startiing in a year (now). In five years those kids exposed to radiation now will either be dead, dying or suffering from various cancers and they'll be wasting away.
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03/19/2012 09:14 AM
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OP are you trying to get a promotion from shill to super-shill, or are you going for a raise?

Do you get paid by the post or what???
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03/19/2012 09:15 AM
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Nobody has any idea ho wmany people diesd from Chernobyl. Some estimate millions, some hundreds of thousands... but don't expect the truth on that number from a science journal.
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If this had happened before the internet you might say that the japanese propaganda would have been effective...

As it is, it has taken more than nine months for people on this forum to begin to see through the lies and disinformation policy.

That doesn't bode well for the rest of the sheep. GLPers usually very quickly see through the masqueraders and bullshit artists. If you don't believe me, look at the first few pages of the atom-bot thread. The posters are completely taken in by these professional psy-oppers, and that continued for a long time..

That should tell you how effective this campaign is and has been.

The tide is turning against the atom-bot charade, finally...

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OP are you trying to get a promotion from shill to super-shill, or are you going for a raise?

Do you get paid by the post or what???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1515928


Do you read the whole Thread or do you want to play?

popcorn

I just looked for a fact based Discussion
and nothing else:
"I am not going 100% conform with the following Article
but a little bit i do because of the technical Facts!"

sadly not many People are able to lead such Discussion anymore,
the Title came from a Article written at: [link to www.newscientist.com]

and not from me!

So you need to call all the leading Magazines,
scientific Papers, PEER-Reviewed Studies, Newspapers,
Blogs and Reports a Fake/ Shill or Whatsoever,
this is easy to do but difficult when you need to bring on some Facts!

When you are an Adult or want to discuss than bring on your Sources,
when you are not able to do so you should avoid this Thread!

popcorn
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Atom-Boy (OP)

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The tide is turning against the atom-bot charade, finally...

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1295673


Do you hear already the Fanfares and Trumpets?
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Atom-Boy (OP)

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Nobody has any idea ho wmany people diesd from Chernobyl. Some estimate millions, some hundreds of thousands... but don't expect the truth on that number from a science journal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1230442


Of course there are only Estimations
because we do not investigate each individual Death
but we can look for the Release of Radioactive Material,
we have the Data of Contaminations and we know how much
Radiation in Average a Body can stand!

I am going conform with 75.000-150.000 in the Time-frame
of 1986 until 2011!

The majority of Deaths happened in Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria,
the Ukraine and Belorussia in the first 10-15 Years!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 09:34 AM
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Atom-boy the shill bunny just keeps on posting and posting and posting.......
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The tide is turning against the atom-bot charade, finally...

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1295673


Do you hear already the Fanfares and Trumpets?
 Quoting: Atom-Boy



I see that only the very gullible still take you at your word...
It is merely a matter of time until these tactics fail.

The physics of meltdown will out you eventually.

But you already know that. You are merely postponing the inevitable.

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