Godlike Productions - Discussion Forum
Users Online Now: 1,913 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 767,210
Pageviews Today: 1,023,428Threads Today: 272Posts Today: 4,169
08:49 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?

 
IJumpInIt

User ID: 11511435
United States
03/20/2012 03:01 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
I am not familiar with the reliability of this site, and they are being very cautious, but they are showing pics of Obama's birth certificate from Kenya, Coastal Provincial Birth Registration Office.

Is anyone else hearing about this?

[link to africanpress.me]
 Quoting: Calare


Check out at that link... the "Flag Counter" which shows 3 views of that page from... wait for it... Vatican City - lmao! The flag abbreviation for Vatican City is "VA".

Too funny!
Maydaysos

User ID: 11712408
United States
03/20/2012 03:02 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
Now, I don't support Obama, simply because he is just another Bush Jr, but, I have a few questions for you birthers.

1) If Obama isn't a Natural Born Citizen, then why is he president?

2) Are you saying that America, the land of Democracy and the home of the brave doesn't have a "real electoral" process? Are you saying that our electoral system is rigged?

3) If yes, then why the fuck are you morons claiming that Ron Paul votes aren't being stolen and redistributed to the other Puppets.

Funny, how you fags can't make up your mind. When it comes to Obama, you fags claim that our system is rigged. But when it comes to Ron Paul, everything is fair and Ron Paul simply doesn't have any supporters.

Funny how you birthers believe some bullshit story about Obama's birth, but fail to see that Ron Paul is being robbed.

You idiots hate Obama so much, then why note support a man of REAL CHANGE?

You fucking idiots really think Romney and Santorum is different from Obama? How so? Is it because they're "White Republicans". You fuckers are the reason why America has become what it has become.

Vote Ron Paul 2012. Vote for REAL CHANGE. Not more of the same. (flip flop Romney, and Anti-Semetic Santorum who claims Palestinians are make believe creatures. LOL).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11754607


i think your preaching to the choir
The general idea is that the elections are rigged and thats why RP is not going to win.
saved

User ID: 12733938
United States
03/20/2012 03:08 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
This is why we call you birtherTARDS - because you have no critical thinking skills and you don't understand what has been debunked.

It's a crude forgery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12814972


iamwith
Come And Take It!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12752342
United States
03/20/2012 03:28 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
This is why we call you birtherTARDS - because you have no critical thinking skills and you don't understand what has been debunked.

It's a crude forgery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12814972


Yeah, ummm...you're one of those folks who just kind of wildly and arbitrarily throws the "you have no critical thinking skills" line around, eh? I'll bet you use that line a lot, mostly because it makes you feel superior. People who need to feel superior almost always are not, sorry to say.

So let's use our critical thinking skills, m'kay?

The guy wrote: "Is anyone else hearing about this?"

What does that tell you? It SHOULD tell you he is just hearing about this for the first time. Even though it's old news, even though it's been debunked, as you say, it's all brand new to the OP and he wants some feedback about it. So your comment "you don't understand what has been debunked" makes no sense and should instead read, "You're not AWARE this has been debunked."

Birther-"tard" denotes mental retardation, which means you have impugned the poster's intellect. But of course you do understand that lack of knowledge or experience has nothing to do with mental capacity. So again, your label makes no sense.

All in all, we have a guy who came across information that was new to him, he only had part of the story and came here to get the truth. He came to ask questions. You then jumped in as fast as you could to vomit up all the platitudes you could think of because as a filthy liberal Obama apologist swine this is the only way you know how to communicate.

I'd say nice try but it wasn't.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12752342
United States
03/20/2012 03:29 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
This is why we call you birtherTARDS - because you have no critical thinking skills and you don't understand what has been debunked.

It's a crude forgery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12814972


iamwith
 Quoting: saved


And you're too Goddamned dumb to even come up with your own platitudes, hence the sign.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10463447
Canada
03/20/2012 04:02 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
I am not familiar with the reliability of this site, and they are being very cautious, but they are showing pics of Obama's birth certificate from Kenya, Coastal Provincial Birth Registration Office.

Is anyone else hearing about this?

[link to africanpress.me]
 Quoting: Calare


Check out at that link... the "Flag Counter" which shows 3 views of that page from... wait for it... Vatican City - lmao! The flag abbreviation for Vatican City is "VA".

Too funny!
 Quoting: IJumpInIt


Might explain why the Vatican had it's bank account closed.?
..|O_o|..
User ID: 10463447
Canada
03/20/2012 04:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
This is why we call you birtherTARDS - because you have no critical thinking skills and you don't understand what has been debunked.

It's a crude forgery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12814972


iamwith
 Quoting: saved


And you're too Goddamned dumb to even come up with your own platitudes, hence the sign.
 Quoting: MarkQuinn


iamwith 2.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11815184
United States
03/20/2012 04:11 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
This is why we call you birtherTARDS - because you have no critical thinking skills and you don't understand what has been debunked.

It's a crude forgery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12814972


I'm not a birther.

However, the pdf submitted as Obama's bc was created on a computer. This is a fact.

Also, the person that created it was either a moron, or was trying to sabotage him.

Even I know that when you create something with photoshop that is supposed to be anything real, you would flatten the layers before saving it as a pdf.

I opened his bc pdf and could easily remove his name and add my own. It was not a real document.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 5676740
United States
03/20/2012 04:18 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
This is why we call you birtherTARDS - because you have no critical thinking skills and you don't understand what has been debunked.

It's a crude forgery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12814972


Yeah, ummm...you're one of those folks who just kind of wildly and arbitrarily throws the "you have no critical thinking skills" line around, eh? I'll bet you use that line a lot, mostly because it makes you feel superior. People who need to feel superior almost always are not, sorry to say.

So let's use our critical thinking skills, m'kay?

The guy wrote: "Is anyone else hearing about this?"

What does that tell you? It SHOULD tell you he is just hearing about this for the first time. Even though it's old news, even though it's been debunked, as you say, it's all brand new to the OP and he wants some feedback about it. So your comment "you don't understand what has been debunked" makes no sense and should instead read, "You're not AWARE this has been debunked."

Birther-"tard" denotes mental retardation, which means you have impugned the poster's intellect. But of course you do understand that lack of knowledge or experience has nothing to do with mental capacity. So again, your label makes no sense.

All in all, we have a guy who came across information that was new to him, he only had part of the story and came here to get the truth. He came to ask questions. You then jumped in as fast as you could to vomit up all the platitudes you could think of because as a filthy liberal Obama apologist swine this is the only way you know how to communicate.

I'd say nice try but it wasn't.
 Quoting: MarkQuinn


You are particularly good at analyzing shills. lolsign
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1514958
United States
03/20/2012 04:33 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
This is why we call you birtherTARDS - because you have no critical thinking skills and you don't understand what has been debunked.

It's a crude forgery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12814972


Oh you mean like the one the Whitehouse released?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12824062
United States
03/20/2012 04:54 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
This is why we call you birtherTARDS - because you have no critical thinking skills and you don't understand what has been debunked.

It's a crude forgery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12814972


I'm not a birther.

However, the pdf submitted as Obama's bc was created on a computer. This is a fact.

Also, the person that created it was either a moron, or was trying to sabotage him.

Even I know that when you create something with photoshop that is supposed to be anything real, you would flatten the layers before saving it as a pdf.

I opened his bc pdf and could easily remove his name and add my own. It was not a real document.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11815184


Of course a PDF is created by a computer. That's how a PDF is made. Always. Moron. The PDF was created by a computer USING a certified copy of the bc that was scanned in. The stupidity of the birther is to say "it's a computer made document" because what they see is on the computer. (You are a birther). What they don't explain is how a non-computer file will be shown on the internet. They can't. However, it is also on record that the paper copy was SEEN in person by reporters -- even a WND reporter!

And no, birther, this wasn't made with photoshop.
Risqman

User ID: 7391717
United States
03/20/2012 05:04 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
This is why we call you birtherTARDS - because you have no critical thinking skills and you don't understand what has been debunked.

It's a crude forgery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12814972


If you believe that the BC the White House released on the site is real then you must be a bigger TARD then anyone who disputes it! I could have done a better job of making a fake BC on my old 386sx PC with a hand scanner years ago using Paint Shop Pro version 1.0 LOL!
Who ever made Obama's "Hawaii" BC forgot to "merge layers" so it couldn't be edited as easily as it was, hell the DOB was still able to drag since the place markers were still imbedded on the document...
And YOU think it's real?
You have to be a kiddie who has no problem solving skills whatsoever.

wtf
TheTruthWorker

User ID: 10183810
United States
03/20/2012 05:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
Bottom line: Obama has not produced a valid US birth certificate IMO and a blatant disregard for our US Constitution, and ethical behavior
Risqman

User ID: 7391717
United States
03/20/2012 05:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
This is why we call you birtherTARDS - because you have no critical thinking skills and you don't understand what has been debunked.

It's a crude forgery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12814972


I'm not a birther.

However, the pdf submitted as Obama's bc was created on a computer. This is a fact.

Also, the person that created it was either a moron, or was trying to sabotage him.

Even I know that when you create something with photoshop that is supposed to be anything real, you would flatten the layers before saving it as a pdf.

I opened his bc pdf and could easily remove his name and add my own. It was not a real document.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11815184


Of course a PDF is created by a computer. That's how a PDF is made. Always. Moron. The PDF was created by a computer USING a certified copy of the bc that was scanned in. The stupidity of the birther is to say "it's a computer made document" because what they see is on the computer. (You are a birther). What they don't explain is how a non-computer file will be shown on the internet. They can't. However, it is also on record that the paper copy was SEEN in person by reporters -- even a WND reporter!

And no, birther, this wasn't made with photoshop.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12824062


Why would ANYONE scan a BC in as a PDF?
A picture scan in JPG format would have been much better, no idea why they used a PDF scan file format except to edit it easier than using photoshop.

wtf
Secret Of Secrets

User ID: 9625463
United States
03/20/2012 05:09 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
hf
This is why we call you birtherTARDS - because you have no critical thinking skills and you don't understand what has been debunked.

It's a crude forgery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12814972


You mean like the Hawaiian Birth certificate the White House posted for Obama????????????????????????????????????????????????????????​????????????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11690427


hf
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12824062
United States
03/20/2012 05:24 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
This is why we call you birtherTARDS - because you have no critical thinking skills and you don't understand what has been debunked.

It's a crude forgery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12814972


I'm not a birther.

However, the pdf submitted as Obama's bc was created on a computer. This is a fact.

Also, the person that created it was either a moron, or was trying to sabotage him.

Even I know that when you create something with photoshop that is supposed to be anything real, you would flatten the layers before saving it as a pdf.

I opened his bc pdf and could easily remove his name and add my own. It was not a real document.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11815184


Of course a PDF is created by a computer. That's how a PDF is made. Always. Moron. The PDF was created by a computer USING a certified copy of the bc that was scanned in. The stupidity of the birther is to say "it's a computer made document" because what they see is on the computer. (You are a birther). What they don't explain is how a non-computer file will be shown on the internet. They can't. However, it is also on record that the paper copy was SEEN in person by reporters -- even a WND reporter!

And no, birther, this wasn't made with photoshop.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12824062


Why would ANYONE scan a BC in as a PDF?
A picture scan in JPG format would have been much better, no idea why they used a PDF scan file format except to edit it easier than using photoshop.

wtf
 Quoting: Risqman


Once again, moron. IT WAS NOT MADE IN PHOTOSHOP. IT WAS NOT SCANNED INTO PHOTOSHOP. And a JPG can be "edited" too. Any computer document CAN BE EDITED. You are just a moron who has no clue.

Any scan would have had birthers saying it is a fake. Note, they already say anything they see would be a fake -- they have predetermined anything in the vault to be a fake. Every document known to man has "problems" with them, since nothing is perfect. But birthers don't get basic principles of the rules of evidence. Pure skepticism doesn't work in a court of law. You need to provide REAL evidence to the contrary -- which birthers do not do. You have to accept the Constitution, which birthers don't (full faith and credit clause). Birthers make up bullshit and the sheeple believe.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12824062
United States
03/20/2012 05:26 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
Bottom line: Obama has not produced a valid US birth certificate IMO and a blatant disregard for our US Constitution, and ethical behavior
 Quoting: TheTruthWorker



He has provided TWO different ones. The first one, the COLB, is a valid document which proves everything needed for his status. Don't get into the "COLB is not a BC" crap. IT is the BC in HAWAII. IT is the official RECORD in HI. It counts (full faith and credit clause). Birthers demanded more, so eventually Obama did something not needed: got the long form (which is not the official bc in HI) and still it isn't good enough. Really, no one's bc is good enough now, because birthers say the Constitution doesn't have to be followed (full faith and credit clause). Birthers are the ones who hate the Constitution.
TheTruthWorker

User ID: 10183810
United States
03/20/2012 05:50 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
Bottom line: Obama has not produced a valid US birth certificate IMO and a blatant disregard for our US Constitution, and ethical behavior
 Quoting: TheTruthWorker



He has provided TWO different ones. The first one, the COLB, is a valid document which proves everything needed for his status. Don't get into the "COLB is not a BC" crap. IT is the BC in HAWAII. IT is the official RECORD in HI. It counts (full faith and credit clause). Birthers demanded more, so eventually Obama did something not needed: got the long form (which is not the official bc in HI) and still it isn't good enough. Really, no one's bc is good enough now, because birthers say the Constitution doesn't have to be followed (full faith and credit clause). Birthers are the ones who hate the Constitution.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12824062


I agree with:
* Still it isn't good enough

I disagree with:
* The rest of your bullshit
MadGame

User ID: 12274786
United States
03/20/2012 06:14 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
This is why we call you birtherTARDS - because you have no critical thinking skills and you don't understand what has been debunked.

It's a crude forgery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12814972


Got any naked pics of your mom ? ... We will pin those also .. Obammy's a fraud !
What is a LIBTARD You Ask ? - A Retarded Liberal ( AKA 99.9% of all Democrats ) ... And since ALL Liberals are Retarded ... Hence LIBTARD

Pissing Off LIBTARDS since 1988
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11252678
United States
03/20/2012 06:28 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
Each of us can have our own Kenyan birth certificate...It's easy and fun;)
[link to kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11333278
United States
03/20/2012 07:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
high rez copy of Kenyan BC

[link to wasobamaborninkenya.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12762769
United Kingdom
03/20/2012 07:10 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
I am not familiar with the reliability of this site, and they are being very cautious, but they are showing pics of Obama's birth certificate from Kenya, Coastal Provincial Birth Registration Office.

Is anyone else hearing about this?

[link to africanpress.me]
 Quoting: Calare


bsflag

I would ask if you are really that stupid, but you are a birther so its obvious you are stupid. This isnt just a fake, its a very famous very bad fake from 4 years ago that got Oily Titz a hefty fine.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12763589
United States
03/20/2012 07:32 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
A guy from Israel says o is the son of Malcolm X. Great read..and more on his site.

[link to israelinsider.net]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12763589
United States
03/20/2012 07:40 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
Also from the Israel Insider site...


Why did all of these important scholars and ideologues, fundraiser and networkers, these millionaires and billionaires – especially from the Arab and Islamic world, and extreme socialist and communist party activists -- reach out to help this unknown, undereducated young man, many before Obama was anybody of known importance? Was it just that he was tall and handsome and bright, with a silver tongue?

Or was there some other factor – a genetic factor, a secret legacy of heredity -- that mysteriously opened the doors and wallets and elicited the kindness of strangers?

Last week, a long and rambling post attributed to one Rudy Schultz was made to the Atlas Shrugs blog of Pamela Geller. The starting point for the post was revelation of school records that show that the supposed mother of Barack Obama enrolled in the University of Washington just a few weeks after her son was purportedly born in Hawaii. But the intention of the poster was apparently to imply that Obama's father was unlikely to have been Barack Hussein Obama, Senior (photo at left).

The post provides photos and a video of Malcolm X, with a notation that he and Obama had the same height (6'2-6'-3") and striking physical resemblances: identical hairline, jawline, and other distinctive facial features, similarities not shared by Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. or other members of the Luo tribe bloodline.

The post noted striking similarities in speaking cadence and style, not to mention a bright flashing smile and a wry sense of humor. The man born in Nebraska as Malcolm Little also was a light shade of brown, the product of a mother from Grenada who, he said, "looked like a white woman" and a black father.

See more striking similarities from insider Octaman here.

The post also traced the path of Malcolm X in the late 1950's and early 1960's, a journey that took him to Africa and the young leadership circle to which Barack Hussein Obama Sr. also belonged, including the activist Tom Mboya who was behind the program which airlifted, with US funding, young African leaders to Hawaii to study at the university, a cohort to which Obama senior belonged.

But Schultz concludes his post by pulling his punches a bit: "While Malcolm X may not be Obama’s biological father, Malcolm X is demonstrably Barack Hussein Obama’s philosophical father, and the lineage is undeniable! Obama Jr. was sired in the social soup stirred by Malcolm X."

While Schultz backed away from claiming that Obama's biological father may in fact be Malcolm X, the hereditary claim cannot be discounted. If he was indeed the illegitimate offspring of Malcolm – the closest that one can get to "royalty" in the messianic broth of black radical Islamic and Communistic politics – that would explain the otherwise inexplicable:

why this "illegitimate" baby, and later this young man – a druggie and underachiever -- would have had paved for him the royal road to privilege and power, paid for his Ivy League education, got him jobs and a home, raised millions of dollars for his political career, got him selected to address the DNC in 2004, got him into the senate in 2006, and led him straight to where he is today, just two years hence, on the verge of the US presidency, powered by hundreds of millions of untraceable overseas contributions.

In the minds of the leftist and Islamic leaders, he is the heir to the throne of "freedom fighters", the revolutionary prodigal son – heir to legacy of black powers and black Islam -- come home to rule.

Nothing short of a DNA test is going to prove who Obama Jr.'s father really is, or, indeed who is real mother is, or is not. His long-suppressed birth certificate, which he wrote about possessing in Dreams from my Father and which Hawaii now admits is on file, could help solve the mystery.

No one to my knowledge has explored the possibility that Stanley Ann may not be the birth-mother. That would explain the lack of hospital records in Honolulu and the fact that no one can remember seeing her pregnant. Suddenly she just appeared in Washington state with a little baby boy. ]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12763589
United States
03/20/2012 07:41 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
Here's the link to the rest of that very interesting article--with good video support too..

[link to israelinsider.net]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12763589
United States
03/20/2012 08:22 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1259365
United States
03/20/2012 10:20 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
I've just posted this on the Michelle thread but I'll post it here as well.

African Press claimed they had a telephone call from Michelle saying that it didn't matter if Barrack was adopted. They didn't tell her it was being taped so they couldn't run with it. Claims are they were knelt on.




The ball is already rolling with Sheriff Joe. It's just a question how many skittles it takes out.

If I let my imagination run riot ...

Barry & Michelle
Pelosi
Biden
Clinton
Harry Reid
Attorney General
Howard Dean (DNC)
Congress (inaction)
Senate (inacaction)
Condoleezza Rice (Home Secretary inaction)
States Attorney General (inaction - all know)
CIA (inaction or complicity)
FBI (inaction or complicity)
Media (inaction)
Commercial media (non reporting - stock market crash - 401ks gone)
Justice system (obstruction)
Military Heads (Generals inaction)

Then as it all collapses -

Structures of Government
Non payment of wages

Social anarchy.

Then again ... it could remain covered up. Toss a coin. You can see why its written off as a conspiracy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1210209


rockon[youtube]battleflag
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12833814
United States
03/20/2012 10:25 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
This is why we call you birtherTARDS - because you have no critical thinking skills and you don't understand what has been debunked.

It's a crude forgery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12814972


I'm not a birther.

However, the pdf submitted as Obama's bc was created on a computer. This is a fact.

Also, the person that created it was either a moron, or was trying to sabotage him.

Even I know that when you create something with photoshop that is supposed to be anything real, you would flatten the layers before saving it as a pdf.

I opened his bc pdf and could easily remove his name and add my own. It was not a real document.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11815184


It's a scanned document, moron.
That happens on scanned documents.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12763589
United States
03/20/2012 11:17 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
bump

The Malc X thing is really cool. Wow.

.bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 4858304
United States
03/20/2012 11:27 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Obama's Kenya birth certificate released?
How does long-debunked shit like this get pinned?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10906149


"Debunked" but not disproven.





GLP