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Message Subject What If You're Right... Jesus Was Just Another Nice Guy?
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The problem is he wasn't (isn't) such a nice guy. Tell me which part of the bible you get the feeling he was nice.....
 Quoting: Bluepill


There are way to many to quote, but here is one for now.

John 10:15-18
As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down MY LIFE for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down MY LIFE, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

 Quoting: Troubled Waters...


I hear you...I think you'r missing my point. Most use the "nice" adjective describing Christ in a derogatory manner. "I think Jesus was nice, like Buddha, Muhammed, etc." "I think Jesus was a great man."

In fact, there are countless examples of him being an SOB...

"Who is my mother, who is my brother?...

"I come with a sword.."

"leave the dead to bury the dead... etc...

I just don't think the "nice" option was something Jesus would be happy about...
 Quoting: Bluepill


LOL I have to laugh. If any Christian hasn't thought what you just said at some point they would be in denial! Good examples. It's funny how Jesus was made into a pacificst airhead by the so called "Jesus Freaks" in the 60's and it has carried on since.

Still, he was tough sometimes, not quite SOB status. cool2
 Quoting: Keats



since nobody took time to answer this question I will


Let me say this plain and simple, please read the bible and the full verse, you guys are so good at taking verses out of context and then feel so smart like you just figured something out, let me break it down, the bible isn't a book you just pick up and read one line and done, each verse you have to study and look deep, ill explain.

1. Who is my mother, who is my brother?

While he (Jesus) yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. (Matthew 12:46-50)

Jesus said this so that he could let everyone know who he was talking to that his mother Mary and his brother should not be held up higher then they are. Jesus took that opportunity to make it clear that not even His own family (in the natural) were to be elevated above those who followed him and did the will of the Father. Every single person has the opportunity to join the family of God by believing in Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ is not a respector of persons and this passage of scripture has made that very clear. The catholic church failed to see that one!

2. I come with a sword...

Matthew 10:
1 He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority
to drive out evil spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is
called Peter) and his brother Andrew; ...

5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: ...

16 "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as
shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.
17 Be on your guard against men; they will hand you over to the
local councils and flog you in their synagogues.
18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings
as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles.
19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or
how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say,
20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father
speaking through you.
21 Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child;
children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
22 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the
end will be saved.

28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth.
I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

35 For I have come to turn `a man against his father, a daughter
against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -
36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'
37 Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me
is not worthy of me;
anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me
is not worthy of me;
38 and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me
is not worthy of me.
39 Whoever finds his life will lose it,
and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it."



The first important observation is to recognize that Jesus does not speak about "the sword", but about "a sword". Jesus is not a prophet of the sword. The sword of violence, force and war has no place in his message. What kind of sword is he talking about?

The above passage speaks about the consequence of being obedient to the command of Jesus that we are to preach his message. Some will listen and accept it but many will reject it and react violently.

We will be hated for the message of repentance that we have to bring. We will be hated because we call people from evil to light and because this message exposes their evil deeds.

For many it will mean that even our own family will turn against us.

What kind of sword? It is the sword of division that God's word brings. It is the division of truth from error, and the reaction of the darkness against the light. The sword that Jesus brings, is the sword that his followers have to suffer, a sword that is applied to them, not a sword that they wield against others.

And exactly that happens in many countries. The fellowship of believers, while full of peace, incurs the wrath of the nonbelievers. Christians are gathering peacefully, yet are persecuted.


3. Leave the dead to bury the dead

18Now when Jesus saw great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side.

19And a certain scribe came, and said unto him, Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go.

20And Jesus said unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man has nowhere to lay his head.

21And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, allow me first to go and bury my father.

22But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Basically Jesus was telling his disciples saying let the spiritually dead bury the physically dead and to follow him and preach the good word, This is in a setting where discipleship to Christ was the issue. In verse 19, a scribe offered to follow Jesus wherever He went. The Lord doesn’t give encouragement to volunteers. When He does call a man, in verse 22, that man has a more pressing claim – the care of his father until his death. Notice how the man says “Lord, let me first go away and bury my father”. When we are called to serve Him, He must have the first claim. It is also Jewish tradition to bury the dead in 24 hours and mourn for 7 days, this scribe was basically making an excuse saying I want to follow you Jesus but first let me do my own thing here.


** Let me stress this, people please read your bibles and study the verse, its not just a couple of words it goes deep, remember even lucifer used bible scriptures on Jesus but in parts to make it sound like something else, and Jesus used the full scripture and proper meaning to battle him right back! This book is a spiritual book not a physical if you read it like that you will lose all its meaning **
 
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