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Best SHTF Guard Dog Breed?

 
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Seal Team 6 took a Malinois on the supposed Bin Laden raid-average males weigh about 70-75 lbs,females usuallu 10lbs less but can be crazier than males about biting.No huge poop if fed high quality food and will hit you like a truck if they are sent out on a bite.Can be totally trustworthy and lovable as family dogs yet put their life on the line to protect their "pack".
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OP what are you going to do about dog food? Have you given that any thought? You gonna stock up on 20 pound bags of kibble too?

I've considered a dog too but that's the only thing I would have to account for, oh and big dogs = big poop!
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When I get a big dog I will more then likely buy a couple hundred pounds of dog food as well. Most of my SHTF scenarios are "Bug In" in my mind.
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I would say Alaskan Malamute.

They're big, strong, extremely pack oriented, and scare the crap out of people by looks alone. Not to mention you can probably breed them with wolves to make them a little more wild without any problems.


Also, Malamutes PLAY with polar bears. Whats more Chuck Norris than that.


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Anatolian Shepherd Dog
In the past, I have owned German Shepherds, a German Shepherd/Alaskan Malamute cross, and a German Shepherd/Rottweiler cross all were great watchdogs however, my present Anatolian Shepherd Dog in some respects is better.

He is 10.5 months old and over 30” at the withers and when he was last weighed he was 108.5 pounds and he will continue to grow tall until he is about 18 months old and reach full weight in 3 to 4 years.

From a standstill he can jump over my head and the breed uses the tactic to knock over their target and the breed does not use force as its first choice.

Breeds character:
5 Minutes in the Life of a Geologist
[link to www.anatolianshepherd.cc]

Mine is also known as a Karabash:
Dogs of Turkey: Akbash and Karabash
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remember-you have to feed these 100+ plus pound beasts-the bigger they are the more prone to hip problems and have a shorter lifespan. Don`t take my word on it-google these breeds yourself.Special Forces,Israeli IDF and Mossad, even the Chinese military use Malinois-why question success?.You would take the word of retards on a doom forum over reality?.Everyone is in love with whatever breed they own.Check it out for yourself.
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remember-you have to feed these 100+ plus pound beasts-the bigger they are the more prone to hip problems and have a shorter lifespan. Don`t take my word on it-google these breeds yourself.Special Forces,Israeli IDF and Mossad, even the Chinese military use Malinois-why question success?.You would take the word of retards on a doom forum over reality?.Everyone is in love with whatever breed they own.Check it out for yourself.
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Feeding a 100-pound plus animal is greatest while they are puppies and if indeed you yourself looked up the Anatolian Shepherd Dog you would notice that it is an ancient breed that certainly was not pampered.

The breed does best on a balanced diet and mine loves beans, vegetables and the first thing he eats off his plate is his cottage cheese and he is a healthy dog.

Further, you would have learned that the breed lifespan is between 12-15 years and although hip dysphasia does occur, it is not a prevalent disease in the breed.

Anatolian Shepherd Dog
Lifespan About 12-15 years
Health Problems: Hip dysphasia does occur, but is not as common as some other large breeds.
Anatolian Shepherd Dog
[link to www.dogbreedinfo.com]
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I've had a Queensland Heeler Rhodesian Ridgeback mix, she was a great herding dog [too good she would try to herd cars, shakes head (don't worry she died of old age at 15)], but she needed lots of space to run. IMHO not a good breed if you live in the city, they need to run and have a job.

Now I have a Black & Tan Coon mixed with a Black Lab, great tracking dog (Never been trained to hunt). Her and my friends dogs treed a Mountain Lion, she's lead me (with her nose) on her leash to a Mountain Lion, and she's killed a raccoon and a skunk. She's beyond loyal, she wants nothing more than to please me.

My roommate has a Boarder Collie Malamute mix and he is very protective of her. When walking around the property he runs ahead to the next blind spot looks around then runs back to her, he does this constantly, like he is making sure nothing is going to sneak up on them. Also he is very alert and barks whenever anyone comes down the driveway.

I have a neighbor with a Newfoundland to protect his goats but that didn't work so well. A pack of 5 dogs stray dogs cornered the dog and then one of them attacked a goat doing horrible damage. Luckily my boyfriend saw this and fired some shots into the ground and scared the pack of dogs off. Animal control came and got 3 of the 5 dogs. That really sucked.

Anatolians are great dogs if you train them well and have enough space. Another neighbor has 3 of them and they protect her animals extremely well. They've killed two birds of pray that were going after the chicken eggs. They know not to hurt the chickens. They also keep the mountain lions away when her animals are breeding. Not many other dogs can keep mountain lions away. They are very loyal to their owners and herd, and are bred to watch over things without their owner instructing them. I've been told in Turkey some people leash their children to their dogs and they are wonderful babysitters, also they would give there lives for the children.

Now if you want another way to keep mountain lions away get a llama!!! I really don't know why but mountain lions will not attack llamas and don't really don't want to be anywhere near them. Maybe it's because llamas are assholes with huge attitudes.

Also geese are great for an alarm system they really are the best "watchdog". They are the most territorial and vicious domesticated animal I know of. Have you ever been bitten by a goose, IT FUCKING HURTS. They have great hearing better than most dogs, and their honk is quite frightening. My friend has a few ducks and geese and they protect her yard with a vengeance. They can hear a car (or anything for that matter) coming before the dogs do.

I'm about to get a puppy from my friend. Its mother is a German Shepherd Timber wolf hybrid and its father is a domesticated Great Plains Wolf. Wolf hybrids are very very loyal but need a lot of socialization with people and other dogs. They won't run away or ever stray far. They are very wary of strangers but they aren't aggressive unless they are being attacked. The sight of what appears to be a wolf is more intimidating than anything. When someone new comes to my friends house his dog zig-zags back and forth, barking not letting them near him, he looks very frightening. This dog won't let anyone near him except his family. I would NOT suggest a wolf hybrid to anyone that is not well prepared for it, isn't an experienced dog owner, and who hasn't spent time with wolf hybrids.

For any large breed they need space to run freely if you live in the city and the SHTF you aren't going to be able to run and walk them daily. Keep that in mind. And with any dog they need proper training for the task you want them to do. Also if you harm your dog, are aggressive, or mean during training they won't learn and they feel it is ok to be aggressive when agitated. I have no real suggestion for they type of dog you should get because I don't know you, how many children and adults live in your household, or your living situation. I just wanted to give you my insight on a few different breeds previously mention here. I hoped this helped you and the others that spent the time to read such a long post.
Thank you. hf
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german shepherds, why do you think the cops use them? they are fiercely loyal, they fear nothing, and to top it off they are so intelligent it's almost scary.
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yup yup... its my choice too. Need a minimum of two, three better.

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English Mastiff, Zorba, all 340 pounds of it and 8 feet in length. Probably expensive to feed and clean afterwards, this dog the size of a lion will make any bad person a real snack.

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Anatolian Shepard...very loyal to the "flock" and wary of ANY strangers. Bred to fight wolves, bears, even cheetahs.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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I was hoping no one would bring up Annies. Part of protecting the breed is its comparable rarity in the U.S. and keeping the breed out of the hands of idiots and evil humans. I have one and love him dearly - cannot imagine life without him. Not merely remarkable and only equaled by less than a handful of other flock protectors on the planet.

But when a breed, says "only for experienced dog owners," you had better investigate exactly what that phrase means. No matter how experienced you think you are, you probably really are not experienced enough for a breed like this. Ask any professional (and legitimate) Anatolian breeder.

The level of training, socialization and bonding required is huge if this breed is used as a companion. This ain't no Lab or little fluffy thing. A Mastiff would be easier in a companion context - and probably more visually effective on a daily basis. "Companion" means any use other than an Annie with its flock in remote pasturage.

Anyway, just on sight, a Mastiff is scarier to most people.

Please don't get an Anatolian. I do not want to ever see the breed name ruined by idiots with big egos, big balls, big fears - and no brains. Anyone who truly loves the breed would agree with me.
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Belgian Malinois-
Get one from working or protection bloodlines-these dogs are bred for generations to protect and compete in ringsport/schutzhund competitions to test and perfect the breed.You and your dog will need training, as this can be a deadly animal and dangerous in the wrong hands.

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I think it would take a very vigilant person to own a Malinois, especially one from working lines, definitely not a beginner dog!
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american pit-bull.. but you gotta feed em amphetamines for that extra edge..
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I would suggest Border Collie.

- Amazingly loyal to the family, great with kids
- Not only smart enough to be highly trainable, ours CRAVED the training. Nothing made her happier than a new trick.
- Medium sized so easier on the food supply
- Not sure if it's common to the whole breed, but ours is a natural pointer. We didn't expose her to hunting when she was little, so she's a bit squirrley around gun fire, but if we would have started her young, I know she would have been an amazing hunting dog.
- Not only an amazing "vocabulary" to learn commands, but very intuitive to our emotions or what's going on around us.
- On the 2 occasions that she has "protected" the family, she was a heck of a fighter. I would not want to have been on the other end... and we never even trained her for that, it was just natural.
- And of course, if the SHTF and you decide to have livestock, they are champion herders. It's so ingrained, ours herded our pre-schooler when we first got her...
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english bull terrier , i just got one , mint dogs ..
powerfull , good to train , great temprement , great gaurd dogs ... but stubborn




There is 18 level's of hell which one you going to ....
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OP: Definitely Rhodesian Ridgeback!!! I have a Ridgeback/Great Dane mix - rescued him in October. He is about a year old and HUGE. He had special issues because he was starving and surviving off of deer that he killed. Scars all over him from fighting with who knows what in the woods. When I found him, he was guarding a deer carcass in the woods - no lions to hunt around here. It took a lot of work to convince him that he isn't the boss - and that he doesn't have to be on guard 24/7 - or hunt for his supper any longer. He does have a habit of bringing me food to the door, though - yuck - but I always praise him for it and he always wonders why I don't fry it up for us. I am a very small woman and have to admit that the first few weeks were intimidating because he was so reactive to my other 3 dogs - Siberian Husky, Sharpei and black lab - all alpha females. Now I have 4 alphas but they have sorted out their pack order - strange, they are kind of co-leaders - and none are submissive. We still have the occasional stand-off but they all know that I am the top dog - hehe. Every dog I have ever had the privilege of living with me have been trained with love - dogs will give their life for you if they know you love them. I did have to use a squirt bottle of plain water to keep him from attacking my other dogs but only for a few days. Zeppelin, my Ridgeback, is very protective and the best guard dog I have ever had. Looong story short, he is crazy smart, loyal, loving and protective. Oh, and he is neutered - doesn't seem to have taken any of the vigor out of him, though.
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Try to found one breed that is bullet proofcruise
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I'd get a Dire Wolf but they are extinct. My 2nd choice would be a Teacup Schnauzer.
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Belgian Malinois-
Get one from working or protection bloodlines-these dogs are bred for generations to protect and compete in ringsport/schutzhund competitions to test and perfect the breed.You and your dog will need training, as this can be a deadly animal and dangerous in the wrong hands.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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I think it would take a very vigilant person to own a Malinois, especially one from working lines, definitely not a beginner dog.
 Quoting: Laura Bow


That is the trouble with these conversations. People drop breed names, others go "Cool!" with no concept of the breeds' characteristics or appropriateness for their situation.

And that is how breed names and individual dogs get ruined. There is a dog preserve in my state where some really worky, really big dogs are lucky enough to land - after idiots went "Cool!" got the dog, totally mishandled or abused it - not understanding or bothering to try. Or people had expectations and fantasies about that big dog would do for them - maybe automatically, but had no thought for the dog itself and its nature.

OK. I am stopping now. It's just that it's crazy-making, what happens to perfectly good dogs because of the wrong humans. Just, please, choose wisely. Bye.
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..hence the warning about training for HIM and the canine.
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Anatolian Shepard...very loyal to the "flock" and wary of ANY strangers. Bred to fight wolves, bears, even cheetahs.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Ad Hominem


I was hoping no one would bring up Annies. Part of protecting the breed is its comparable rarity in the U.S. and keeping the breed out of the hands of idiots and evil humans. I have one and love him dearly - cannot imagine life without him. Not merely remarkable and only equaled by less than a handful of other flock protectors on the planet.

But when a breed, says "only for experienced dog owners," you had better investigate exactly what that phrase means. No matter how experienced you think you are, you probably really are not experienced enough for a breed like this. Ask any professional (and legitimate) Anatolian breeder.

The level of training, socialization and bonding required is huge if this breed is used as a companion. This ain't no Lab or little fluffy thing. A Mastiff would be easier in a companion context - and probably more visually effective on a daily basis. "Companion" means any use other than an Annie with its flock in remote pasturage.

Anyway, just on sight, a Mastiff is scarier to most people.

Please don't get an Anatolian. I do not want to ever see the breed name ruined by idiots with big egos, big balls, big fears - and no brains. Anyone who truly loves the breed would agree with me.
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You are indeed correct and happily, they are a plain looking dog except for the rarer rough coated Anatolians such as mine, and hopefully people will do some research before taking one on.

They require a great deal of work socializing however they are far more predictable then the over bred popular breeds and knowing their history and behavior is beneficial. When at 9 months my Anatolian Shepherd dog was attacked by the neighbor’s ill-bred Labrador Retriever it was due to male aggression and my dog backed away and only growled at first true to Anatolian Shepherd standards.

The other dog never grabbed him only my dog’s thick mane however, my dog took so much then bit the Labrador Retriever the dog yelped and retreated then re-attacked. My dog had enough and tried to leap in the air to knock the dog over which is their way passed from generation to generation. I kept him on the ground however, his back foot hit my ankle and brought me to my knees and instead my dog bit the other dogs muzzle the other dog was yelping and screaming and after yelling drop it he let go only to grab the dog by the throat.

When my dog released the Labrador Retriever it cried and ran back to its owner and needed a trip to the veterinarian and I called the police to have the attack by the Labrador Retriever documented.
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Anatolian Shepard...very loyal to the "flock" and wary of ANY strangers. Bred to fight wolves, bears, even cheetahs.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Ad Hominem


I was hoping no one would bring up Annies. Part of protecting the breed is its comparable rarity in the U.S. and keeping the breed out of the hands of idiots and evil humans. I have one and love him dearly - cannot imagine life without him. Not merely remarkable and only equaled by less than a handful of other flock protectors on the planet.

But when a breed, says "only for experienced dog owners," you had better investigate exactly what that phrase means. No matter how experienced you think you are, you probably really are not experienced enough for a breed like this. Ask any professional (and legitimate) Anatolian breeder.

The level of training, socialization and bonding required is huge if this breed is used as a companion. This ain't no Lab or little fluffy thing. A Mastiff would be easier in a companion context - and probably more visually effective on a daily basis. "Companion" means any use other than an Annie with its flock in remote pasturage.

Anyway, just on sight, a Mastiff is scarier to most people.

Please don't get an Anatolian. I do not want to ever see the breed name ruined by idiots with big egos, big balls, big fears - and no brains. Anyone who truly loves the breed would agree with me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12514091


You are indeed correct and happily, they are a plain looking dog except for the rarer rough coated Anatolians such as mine, and hopefully people will do some research before taking one on.

They require a great deal of work socializing however they are far more predictable then the over bred popular breeds and knowing their history and behavior is beneficial. When at 9 months my Anatolian Shepherd dog was attacked by the neighbor’s ill-bred Labrador Retriever it was due to male aggression and my dog backed away and only growled at first true to Anatolian Shepherd standards.

The other dog never grabbed him only my dog’s thick mane however, my dog took so much then bit the Labrador Retriever the dog yelped and retreated then re-attacked. My dog had enough and tried to leap in the air to knock the dog over which is their way passed from generation to generation. I kept him on the ground however, his back foot hit my ankle and brought me to my knees and instead my dog bit the other dogs muzzle the other dog was yelping and screaming and after yelling drop it he let go only to grab the dog by the throat.

When my dog released the Labrador Retriever it cried and ran back to its owner and needed a trip to the veterinarian and I called the police to have the attack by the Labrador Retriever documented.
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I'm gonna hang with all the stray dogs when TSHTF,
gonna form my my own canine nation.
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What is the best SHTF guard dog breed? I have a decent amount of preps but obviously I can't stay awake 24/7. I have a small dog, but I think I bigger dog would buy me more time during an invasion of some sort. I don't think I want a pitbull or rott. (Seen a rott ripped someone's calf muscle off their leg in front of me.) I am thinking mastiff maybe? I had an Akita at one time but it would bite my mom when I wasn't looking, sneaky bitch, literally. Opinions?
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Purebred German Shepherd, well trained, professionally.
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Omg, I showed that video to my daughter and it scared the SH-- out of her. I laughed so hard.
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Great thread, makes me want to get a puppy. I have a dog--a poodle/yorkshire terrier (yorki-poo)-- sweet dog--a real people dog--is always with us, would alert us if someone trespassed, but I can see the value of a bigger dog in the future. That ridgeback is looking pretty good!! Nice to hear from all the people that love their dogs.hf
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remember-you have to feed these 100+ plus pound beasts-the bigger they are the more prone to hip problems and have a shorter lifespan. Don`t take my word on it-google these breeds yourself.Special Forces,Israeli IDF and Mossad, even the Chinese military use Malinois-why question success?.You would take the word of retards on a doom forum over reality?.Everyone is in love with whatever breed they own.Check it out for yourself.
 Quoting: grh2008


Feeding a 100-pound plus animal is greatest while they are puppies and if indeed you yourself looked up the Anatolian Shepherd Dog you would notice that it is an ancient breed that certainly was not pampered.

The breed does best on a balanced diet and mine loves beans, vegetables and the first thing he eats off his plate is his cottage cheese and he is a healthy dog.

Further, you would have learned that the breed lifespan is between 12-15 years and although hip dysphasia does occur, it is not a prevalent disease in the breed.

Anatolian Shepherd Dog
Lifespan About 12-15 years
Health Problems: Hip dysphasia does occur, but is not as common as some other large breeds.
Anatolian Shepherd Dog
[link to www.dogbreedinfo.com]
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


My parents have a farm and they have a Anatolian Shepherd guarding the cows. He is pretty darn big. He lives in the pasture with the herd.
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I worked for a guard dog company for quite some time,
German Sheps are bad ass, but I have seen Rottweilers EAT DOORS,
THEY ARE SCARY, I have seen career guard dog people run like hell from them, u need a Rotty,good luck finding one that is not inbred and messed up in the hips, you want recent European bloodlines, they ain't cheap.
Forget the German Sheps and Pit Bulls,they are toast as a breed, the Germans have been selling their SECONDS to US police departments for 30 years,US German sheps are trash.
Rottweiler.
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Crossbreed.

genetically stronger, less health problems and IMO smarter than purebreds.

for shtf you dont just want protection, youll need something with a good nose and something that can possibly hunt.

look for a mix of more than two larger breeds,try factor in what breeds have what traits(some dogs have better noses for tracking/hunting whereas say any herding dog, besides some larger shepards will have stronger visual abilities than scenting abilities.

some dogs are couchpotatoes that couldnt defend shit regardless of the breed...i had a mastiff cross that was.
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Rhodesian Ridgeback. Bred to hunt Lion. The only purebred dog from Africa. Smart, can anticipate your next move ( or anyone's or anything's), attack is more viscous than a pit, in fact they tell you specifically to NOT train these dogs as they have pure instinct that will kick in naturally.

Also, if they can take down the top of the animal kingdom and are that loyal...?? Great with kids too !
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They were the dogs chosen in Jim Rawles' book Patriots for just those reasons.

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