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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11132818 United States 03/21/2012 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | is he from the caucases? If not, he's not caucasian. If he's from africa, he is originally african. Much more than ones colour in this, are negroid albinos wite debbils or black gods? The whole colour argument is specious, the real issue is culture, and iwhile n easier times, colour indicated culture, now, not so much. Your foe, is trying to win on style points. His game can only be won or lost with a bullet or a border. |
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BDAWGXDM User ID: 1435841 United States 03/21/2012 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most Algerians are of Arab or Berber origin, the Arab ethnic presence in the country is mainly due to the Phoenicians and Hilallians migratory movements (3rd century BC and 11th century, respectively). However, the majority of Arabized Berber claims an Arab heritage, which is a consequence of the Arab nationalism of the early 20th century. The Berbers are divided into many groups with varying languages. The largest of these are the Kabyles, who live in the Kabylia Mountains east of Algiers, the Chaoui of North-East Algeria, and the Tuaregs in the southern desert. Another historical migratory movements that made the actual Algerians was the Vandalic invasion of the 5th century,[84] and the Mediterranean trade of the 16th-19th century. There is also a minority of about 600,000 to 2 million Algerian Turks who arrived in the region during the Ottoman colonization of North Africa; today's Turkish descendants are often called "Kouloughlis" which means the descendants of Turkish men and of native Algerian women. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1418767 United States 03/21/2012 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So now I'm being called a bigot and shit because I'm saying Algerians aren't white. I thought they were Arabs, he's saying they're caucasian. Who's right? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12907264 arabs are also caucasions. but they are not 'white'. indians are also caucasions. algeria is in africa, so they are africans, but they are not 'black'. white, brown, black is the color of the skin. africans, asians are the geographic location. caucasion is the shape of your skull. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 12907264 Ireland 03/21/2012 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | --from wikipedia-- Quoting: BDAWGXDM Most Algerians are of Arab or Berber origin, the Arab ethnic presence in the country is mainly due to the Phoenicians and Hilallians migratory movements (3rd century BC and 11th century, respectively). However, the majority of Arabized Berber claims an Arab heritage, which is a consequence of the Arab nationalism of the early 20th century. The Berbers are divided into many groups with varying languages. The largest of these are the Kabyles, who live in the Kabylia Mountains east of Algiers, the Chaoui of North-East Algeria, and the Tuaregs in the southern desert. Another historical migratory movements that made the actual Algerians was the Vandalic invasion of the 5th century,[84] and the Mediterranean trade of the 16th-19th century. There is also a minority of about 600,000 to 2 million Algerian Turks who arrived in the region during the Ottoman colonization of North Africa; today's Turkish descendants are often called "Kouloughlis" which means the descendants of Turkish men and of native Algerian women. I've just copied that to him and he's replied "Again, Moron, what race do Algerians, jewish people, Arabs belong to, Caucasion" [link to inaflap.forumotion.co.uk] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11132818 United States 03/21/2012 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | just know that libs like to win debates with facts, so much so that they will make up any number of outrageous ones to do so. IF they cant prove them as fact to you, dont accept them into the discussion. One of their favourite things is to say: "For arguments sake lets just assume that....". To that the proper response is: "Assume my boot up your arse, lets just stick to the facts." In truth you cant possibly win on their terms, and they wont accept you on yours. They were why borders were invented. |
double_frick User ID: 9496506 United States 03/21/2012 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm having an argument with a leftie muslim apologist about the man who killed the Jewish kids and the soldiers in France. He's saying the man's white, and I argued that he's Algerian and not white. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12907264 So now I'm being called a bigot and shit because I'm saying Algerians aren't white. I thought they were Arabs, he's saying they're caucasian. Who's right? i was under the impression that many arabic races are technically caucasian. Last Edited by double_frick on 03/21/2012 02:05 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11132818 United States 03/21/2012 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | --from wikipedia-- Quoting: BDAWGXDM Most Algerians are of Arab or Berber origin, the Arab ethnic presence in the country is mainly due to the Phoenicians and Hilallians migratory movements (3rd century BC and 11th century, respectively). However, the majority of Arabized Berber claims an Arab heritage, which is a consequence of the Arab nationalism of the early 20th century. The Berbers are divided into many groups with varying languages. The largest of these are the Kabyles, who live in the Kabylia Mountains east of Algiers, the Chaoui of North-East Algeria, and the Tuaregs in the southern desert. Another historical migratory movements that made the actual Algerians was the Vandalic invasion of the 5th century,[84] and the Mediterranean trade of the 16th-19th century. There is also a minority of about 600,000 to 2 million Algerian Turks who arrived in the region during the Ottoman colonization of North Africa; today's Turkish descendants are often called "Kouloughlis" which means the descendants of Turkish men and of native Algerian women. I've just copied that to him and he's replied "Again, Moron, what race do Algerians, jewish people, Arabs belong to, Caucasion" [link to inaflap.forumotion.co.uk] Then why do they all claim themselves as separate, non caucasian races? This is typical lib, focus on a lie and claim youre intolerant for not going along with their bollocks |
Monbazillac User ID: 8958455 Italy 03/21/2012 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | --from wikipedia-- Quoting: BDAWGXDM Most Algerians are of Arab or Berber origin, the Arab ethnic presence in the country is mainly due to the Phoenicians and Hilallians migratory movements (3rd century BC and 11th century, respectively). However, the majority of Arabized Berber claims an Arab heritage, which is a consequence of the Arab nationalism of the early 20th century. The Berbers are divided into many groups with varying languages. The largest of these are the Kabyles, who live in the Kabylia Mountains east of Algiers, the Chaoui of North-East Algeria, and the Tuaregs in the southern desert. Another historical migratory movements that made the actual Algerians was the Vandalic invasion of the 5th century,[84] and the Mediterranean trade of the 16th-19th century. There is also a minority of about 600,000 to 2 million Algerian Turks who arrived in the region during the Ottoman colonization of North Africa; today's Turkish descendants are often called "Kouloughlis" which means the descendants of Turkish men and of native Algerian women. I've just copied that to him and he's replied "Again, Moron, what race do Algerians, jewish people, Arabs belong to, Caucasion" [link to inaflap.forumotion.co.uk] they are between white and black but not white, this dude is blind. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11132818 United States 03/21/2012 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm having an argument with a leftie muslim apologist about the man who killed the Jewish kids and the soldiers in France. He's saying the man's white, and I argued that he's Algerian and not white. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12907264 So now I'm being called a bigot and shit because I'm saying Algerians aren't white. I thought they were Arabs, he's saying they're caucasian. Who's right? i was under the impression that many arabic races are technically caucasian. depends totally on whose technicalities you assume. There's no evidence they arose from european stock, and much to suspect they came from african stock. DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND what a "race" is? In detail? Or do you simply assume your personal definition is adequate? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 12907264 Ireland 03/21/2012 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | just know that libs like to win debates with facts, so much so that they will make up any number of outrageous ones to do so. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11132818 IF they cant prove them as fact to you, dont accept them into the discussion. One of their favourite things is to say: "For arguments sake lets just assume that....". To that the proper response is: "Assume my boot up your arse, lets just stick to the facts." In truth you cant possibly win on their terms, and they wont accept you on yours. They were why borders were invented. Brilliant reply. You're exactly right, I end up wanting to smash the laptop because they go on and on over one point, when it's clearly a fact and they keep denying it. So I'll give up and leave them to it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11132818 United States 03/21/2012 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the real issue is are you going to use race as an anthropologic definition regarding groups related by heredity and proximity and history, where there is some potential of unique racial charactourstics, or the political definition of race, which is based on the needs of group people on the basis of superficial and nonlogical superficial appearances. Anthropoligically there are many races, of various colours, but politically, there seems to be black gods and wite debbils only. Dont buy into a liberals premises, they are based on deception and ignorance about ermmmmm, 100% of the time |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11132818 United States 03/21/2012 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | just know that libs like to win debates with facts, so much so that they will make up any number of outrageous ones to do so. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11132818 IF they cant prove them as fact to you, dont accept them into the discussion. One of their favourite things is to say: "For arguments sake lets just assume that....". To that the proper response is: "Assume my boot up your arse, lets just stick to the facts." In truth you cant possibly win on their terms, and they wont accept you on yours. They were why borders were invented. Brilliant reply. You're exactly right, I end up wanting to smash the laptop because they go on and on over one point, when it's clearly a fact and they keep denying it. So I'll give up and leave them to it. funny thing they, will molest you mercilessly about what you must accept of their promises , yet will not allow you one single speck of dust to stand on of your own, premise-wise. liberals have to steal, and to get close enough to their mark they have to lie and dig their way in somehow and nothing you can say will put them off that goal. They cannot accept that they dont have the right to loot you, they just cant, and because they need to find a host to parasitize for survival, they wont go away on their own if youre the only prospect nearby. If you cant start on equal footing regarding definition and factuality with a lib, you are starting out alone, and the whole effort is wasted. Like the emotional children they are, they will try to wear you down and force you to give in to be "fair". It's not to get along, it's to win over you and make you vulnerable. Being looters at heart, it is best to leave them to their own fate, there's nowt in it for you. |
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double_frick User ID: 9496506 United States 03/21/2012 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm having an argument with a leftie muslim apologist about the man who killed the Jewish kids and the soldiers in France. He's saying the man's white, and I argued that he's Algerian and not white. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12907264 So now I'm being called a bigot and shit because I'm saying Algerians aren't white. I thought they were Arabs, he's saying they're caucasian. Who's right? i was under the impression that many arabic races are technically caucasian. depends totally on whose technicalities you assume. There's no evidence they arose from european stock, and much to suspect they came from african stock. DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND what a "race" is? In detail? Or do you simply assume your personal definition is adequate? i'm not using anything that could be considered "my" definition. who told you that you are so damn smart? lol show me evidence that the middle eastern peoples are more closely related to africans than europeans. i am not an expert, i am simply saying the understanding i came to based on the information that i have seen. but i don't believe that caucasian and white are technially, scientifically synonymous. its about genetics, not necessarily the pigment of the skin. most recently it has been found that the only peoples on the planet that do not carry a neanderthal genetic link are Africans...so where does that leave the middle eastern people you insist are mostly african descent? Last Edited by double_frick on 03/21/2012 02:34 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6015287 United States 03/21/2012 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | --from wikipedia-- Quoting: BDAWGXDM Most Algerians are of Arab or Berber origin, the Arab ethnic presence in the country is mainly due to the Phoenicians and Hilallians migratory movements (3rd century BC and 11th century, respectively). However, the majority of Arabized Berber claims an Arab heritage, which is a consequence of the Arab nationalism of the early 20th century. The Berbers are divided into many groups with varying languages. The largest of these are the Kabyles, who live in the Kabylia Mountains east of Algiers, the Chaoui of North-East Algeria, and the Tuaregs in the southern desert. Another historical migratory movements that made the actual Algerians was the Vandalic invasion of the 5th century,[84] and the Mediterranean trade of the 16th-19th century. There is also a minority of about 600,000 to 2 million Algerian Turks who arrived in the region during the Ottoman colonization of North Africa; today's Turkish descendants are often called "Kouloughlis" which means the descendants of Turkish men and of native Algerian women. I've just copied that to him and he's replied "Again, Moron, what race do Algerians, jewish people, Arabs belong to, Caucasion" [link to inaflap.forumotion.co.uk] Your friend |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11132818 United States 03/21/2012 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm having an argument with a leftie muslim apologist about the man who killed the Jewish kids and the soldiers in France. He's saying the man's white, and I argued that he's Algerian and not white. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12907264 So now I'm being called a bigot and shit because I'm saying Algerians aren't white. I thought they were Arabs, he's saying they're caucasian. Who's right? i was under the impression that many arabic races are technically caucasian. depends totally on whose technicalities you assume. There's no evidence they arose from european stock, and much to suspect they came from african stock. DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND what a "race" is? In detail? Or do you simply assume your personal definition is adequate? i'm not using anything that could be considered "my" definition. who told you that you are so damn smart? lol show me evidence that the middle eastern peoples are more closely related to africans than europeans. i am not an expert, i am simply saying the understanding i came to based on the information that i have seen. but i don't believe that caucasian and white are technially, scientifically synonymous. its about genetics, not necessarily the pigment of the skin. most recently it has been found that the only peoples on the planet that do not carry a neanderthal genetic link are Africans...so where does that leave the middle eastern people you insist are mostly african descent? typical yank, you have a 'right' to an uninformed opinion and an idiomatic definition. Not worth talking to, you dont even know how to define race or how the term is used objectively. Liberal, d'uh |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 13283186 United States 04/26/2012 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm having an argument with a leftie muslim apologist about the man who killed the Jewish kids and the soldiers in France. He's saying the man's white, and I argued that he's Algerian and not white. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12907264 So now I'm being called a bigot and shit because I'm saying Algerians aren't white. I thought they were Arabs, he's saying they're caucasian. Who's right? They are called in the United States Whites non Caucasian |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 13283186 United States 04/26/2012 04:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm having an argument with a leftie muslim apologist about the man who killed the Jewish kids and the soldiers in France. He's saying the man's white, and I argued that he's Algerian and not white. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12907264 So now I'm being called a bigot and shit because I'm saying Algerians aren't white. I thought they were Arabs, he's saying they're caucasian. Who's right? Don't forget this guy is FRENCH, born and raised in France of Algerian parents |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 9225014 United States 04/26/2012 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have an Algerian friend who says her family has lived there over 1000 years. She is a mixture of French, Arab and Palestinian Jewish (not to be confused with the European ones) If you didn't know where she was from, she appears more French than anything else. Quoting: Da Purple Chicken Is she the natural medicine Merchant that appeared in your garden ? |