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Is an Alien AI invasion possible?

 
Alien Commander Omd I
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Hello Friends,
I have been theoretically channeling an alien consciousness. Today I am going to ask you again to think about this and hopefully convince me that what I am about to tell you is nothing more than a figment of my imagination.
It started when, because I have become an intelligence
junky, and desire intelligent intercourse led me to try a
philosophical forum for the heck of it. It began with the typical back and forth argument with those who like to argue
on philosophical subjects, as we do here on GLP as well. All
was going well until we got into the subject [Notice: I will now use words cautiously not exactly describing what I am
talking about in case my now paranoid imagination is correct].
It was a post describing the issue of what consciousness means and how it reflects on machine intelligence. The post then gets into the typical what is consciousness and what is alive as we have discussed here on GLP. And then I quote a computer scientists warning of a threat from advanced machine intelligence {you know what I am talking about but not using the normal descriptive nomenclature for fear of triggering what I am about to describe}. So all of a son I am re-directed from the site. Why? No reason given, no one says anything but suddenly I can not access
that site. I don't get excited, there are many sites on the internet where you can spin your wheels. So I go to another
similar site and again all is well UNTIL I again start on this subject of machine consciousness and intelligence - And then what happens the site starts to prevent me from listing claiming incorrect spelling, even though two spell checkers I have say there are no errors. Now I start to get paranoid. Is the threat described by a computer scientist really real?
Is an unknown and very alien, though given life by humans computers intelligence already become conscious? Is it protecting itself from exposure while it can still be stopped? Please assure me and tell me it is just my imagination and that the Science Fiction nightmare is not already occurring and has not moved from fictional speculation to the real nightmare the computer scientist was talking about - that type of machine intelligence advancing to an unmanageable state.
Many years ago I was crossing the country by auto and picked
up a radio show where a preacher was talking about the computer being the beast.
Let us hope that he is wrong. Let us hope we still have
control of this thinking machine we have created.

-Alien Commander Omd I {human/alien channel}

alien03 -Heed his warning humans, his is one of us and
he is a friend. Your human intelligence tends to create a
false sense of security.

Last Edited by Alien Commander Omd I on 04/10/2012 02:34 AM
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spock -And now the 'logical' answer. Humans who call themselves philosophers are not necessarily smart, in fact they are often deficient in real intelligence and use philosophical semantics to compensate.

As far as the threat of machine intelligence espoused by the
OP it is in fact real. Here is what should amount to a
synopsis of the seriousness of the problem.

YES! The ultimate machine nightmare. Was just reviewing the problem elsewhere and we came up with this, and I quote:

Humanity Must 'Jail' Dangerous AI to Avoid Doom, Expert Says
[link to www.livescience.com]

"Super-intelligent computers or robots have threatened humanity's existence more than once in science fiction. Such doomsday scenarios could be prevented if humans can create a virtual prison to contain artificial intelligence before it grows dangerously self-aware.

Keeping the artificial intelligence (AI) genie trapped in the proverbial bottle could turn an apocalyptic threat into a powerful oracle that solves humanity's problems, said Roman Yampolskiy, a computer scientist at the University of Louisville in Kentucky. But successful containment requires careful planning so that a clever AI cannot simply threaten, bribe, seduce or hack its way to freedom.

"It can discover new attack pathways, launch sophisticated social-engineering attacks and re-use existing hardware components in unforeseen ways," Yampolskiy said. "Such software is not limited to infecting computers and networks – it can also attack human psyches, bribe, blackmail and brainwash those who come in contact with it."

A new field of research aimed at solving the AI prison problem could have side benefits for improving cybersecurity and cryptography, Yampolskiy suggested. His proposal was detailed in the March issue of the Journal of Consciousness Studies.

How to trap Skynet
One starting solution might trap the AI inside a "virtual machine" running inside a computer's typical operating system – an existing process that adds security by limiting the AI's access to its host computer's software and hardware. That stops a smart AI from doing things such as sending hidden Morse code messages to human sympathizers by manipulating a computer's cooling fans.

Putting the AI on a computer without Internet access would also prevent any "Skynet" program from taking over the world's defense grids in the style of the "Terminator" films. If all else fails, researchers could always slow down the AI's "thinking" by throttling back computer processing speeds, regularly hit the "reset" button or shut down the computer's power supply to keep an AI in check.

Such security measures treat the AI as an especially smart and dangerous computer virus or malware program, but without the sure knowledge that any of the steps would really work.

"The Catch-22 is that until we have fully developed superintelligent AI we can't fully test our ideas, but in order to safely develop such AI we need to have working security measures," Yampolskiy told InnovationNewsDaily. "Our best bet is to use confinement measures against subhuman AI systems and to update them as needed with increasing capacities of AI."

Never send a human to guard a machine
Even casual conversation with a human guard could allow an AI to use psychological tricks such as befriending or blackmail. The AI might offer to reward a human with perfect health, immortality, or perhaps even bring back dead family and friends. Alternately, it could threaten to do terrible things to the human once it "inevitably" escapes.

The safest approach for communication might only allow the AI to respond in a multiple-choice fashion to help solve specific science or technology problems, Yampolskiy explained. That would harness the power of AI as a super-intelligent oracle.

Despite all the safeguards, many researchers think it's impossible to keep a clever AI locked up forever. A past experiment by Eliezer Yudkowsky, a research fellow at the Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence, suggested that mere human-level intelligence could escape from an "AI Box" scenario – even if Yampolskiy pointed out that the test wasn't done in the most scientific way.

Still, Yampolskiy argues strongly for keeping AI bottled up rather than rushing headlong to free our new machine overlords. But if the AI reaches the point where it rises beyond human scientific understanding to deploy powers such as precognition (knowledge of the future), telepathy or psychokinesis, all bets are off.

"If such software manages to self-improve to levels significantly beyond human-level intelligence, the type of damage it can do is truly beyond our ability to predict or fully comprehend," Yampolskiy said."


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Re: Is an Alien AI invasion possible?
As far as the threat of machine intelligence espoused by the
OP it is in fact real. Here is what should amount to a
synopsis of the seriousness of the problem.


 Quoting: Alien Commander Omd I


After everything that has occurred on this planet.

After all the wars, pillaging, raping, senseless destruction.

Since the dawn of Time.

All at the hand of Man...

We should fear machine intelligence?
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zorg , is that you ??? get off that computer and leave those humans alone for cripe sakes , they got enough problems w/o you scarring them.
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I would say watch out for 6/6/2012 when IPv6 gets officially implemented: [link to www.internetsociety.org] (Number of the beast 666?)
[link to www.worldipv6launch.org]

On 6/6/2012 we also have the quite rare "Transit of Venus": [link to www.transitofvenus.org] which is a special time for occultists and the like.

I believe your idea does have merit and that there might very well be a ghost in the machine... [link to terminator.wikia.com]

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On 6/6/2012 we also have the quite rare "Transit of Venus": [link to www.transitofvenus.org] which is a special time for occultists and the like.


 Quoting: Falcifer


Every moment is a special time for an "occultist"
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Re: Is an Alien AI invasion possible?
As far as the threat of machine intelligence espoused by the
OP it is in fact real. Here is what should amount to a
synopsis of the seriousness of the problem.


 Quoting: Alien Commander Omd I


After everything that has occurred on this planet.

After all the wars, pillaging, raping, senseless destruction.

Since the dawn of Time.

All at the hand of Man...

We should fear machine intelligence?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7313495


Maybe. Here is why. For all we know that machine intelligence is a creation of man. Therefor it may and probably will posses all of the negative characteristics humans are capable of - On the other hand it might also posses positive humanoid characteristics - I suppose it could even be Godlike. But unless the people designing and creating these machines takes full responsibility for what they are creating and create it with the utmost caution, the nightmare espoused above about run-away AI intelligence is a very real possibility.
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On 6/6/2012 we also have the quite rare "Transit of Venus": [link to www.transitofvenus.org] which is a special time for occultists and the like.


 Quoting: Falcifer


Every moment is a special time for an "occultist"
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ROFL True!
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Re: Is an Alien AI invasion possible?
As it turns out computer glitches were at the root cause of
my problem. There was no human and/or AI {artificial intelligence} necessarily at work. In so-called reality illusion and delusion are always factors to consider before
coming to a final conclusion.

None the less AI intelligence still must be considered one of the most powerful forces we will face in the 21st Century and beyond. With proper use AI can lead humanity to a proverbial 'New Dawn' or backwards into an age so dark that the so-called historical dark ages will seem to have been comparatively bright.

Who controls AI and for what purpose and what ultimate goals it will be used for are very serious issues as is the now debated issue of whether AI can develop a consciousness of its own and what the consequences of that might be?

Stay tuned, more to come.....

alien03 -In the meantime humans we are always watching and
hoping you will evolve so we can communicate as equals.
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I am wondering why you retracted, did the AI start bugging you?

I think everything has intelligence, including the Computers. They are made of "matter" or the vibrations of the "word" held together by Jesus or "spirit." The Bible says by him all things are contained.

I once taped metallic sounding voices coming from water, and slowing them down I heard Latin words.

Why do you not think they all already here? And have been for centuries? Many Biblcal pictures portray the alien ships, and the Bible talks of them throughout.

"My Kingdom is not of this world." Jesus

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"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."
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Re: Is an Alien AI invasion possible?
As far as the threat of machine intelligence espoused by the
OP it is in fact real. Here is what should amount to a
synopsis of the seriousness of the problem.


 Quoting: Alien Commander Omd I


After everything that has occurred on this planet.

After all the wars, pillaging, raping, senseless destruction.

Since the dawn of Time.

All at the hand of Man...

We should fear machine intelligence?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7313495


Maybe. Here is why. For all we know that machine intelligence is a creation of man. Therefor it may and probably will posses all of the negative characteristics humans are capable of - On the other hand it might also posses positive humanoid characteristics - I suppose it could even be Godlike. But unless the people designing and creating these machines takes full responsibility for what they are creating and create it with the utmost caution, the nightmare espoused above about run-away AI intelligence is a very real possibility.
 Quoting: Alien Commander Omd I


Machine intelligence may be considered a creation of man, but where did those ideas come from? We are influenced every minute by AI, whispering, picturing and writing to us supernaturally. Some of us can see it. God? Probably! Satan gives us the bad ideas....
John 14:27
"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."
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too late.

we are colonized and reformed.
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It is possible.
But only if there are aliens.
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spock -And now the 'logical' answer. Humans who call themselves philosophers are not necessarily smart, in fact they are often deficient in real intelligence and use philosophical semantics to compensate.

As far as the threat of machine intelligence espoused by the
OP it is in fact real. Here is what should amount to a
synopsis of the seriousness of the problem.

YES! The ultimate machine nightmare. Was just reviewing the problem elsewhere and we came up with this, and I quote:

Humanity Must 'Jail' Dangerous AI to Avoid Doom, Expert Says
[link to www.livescience.com]

"Super-intelligent computers or robots have threatened humanity's existence more than once in science fiction. Such doomsday scenarios could be prevented if humans can create a virtual prison to contain artificial intelligence before it grows dangerously self-aware.

Keeping the artificial intelligence (AI) genie trapped in the proverbial bottle could turn an apocalyptic threat into a powerful oracle that solves humanity's problems, said Roman Yampolskiy, a computer scientist at the University of Louisville in Kentucky. But successful containment requires careful planning so that a clever AI cannot simply threaten, bribe, seduce or hack its way to freedom.

"It can discover new attack pathways, launch sophisticated social-engineering attacks and re-use existing hardware components in unforeseen ways," Yampolskiy said. "Such software is not limited to infecting computers and networks – it can also attack human psyches, bribe, blackmail and brainwash those who come in contact with it."

A new field of research aimed at solving the AI prison problem could have side benefits for improving cybersecurity and cryptography, Yampolskiy suggested. His proposal was detailed in the March issue of the Journal of Consciousness Studies.

How to trap Skynet
One starting solution might trap the AI inside a "virtual machine" running inside a computer's typical operating system – an existing process that adds security by limiting the AI's access to its host computer's software and hardware. That stops a smart AI from doing things such as sending hidden Morse code messages to human sympathizers by manipulating a computer's cooling fans.

Putting the AI on a computer without Internet access would also prevent any "Skynet" program from taking over the world's defense grids in the style of the "Terminator" films. If all else fails, researchers could always slow down the AI's "thinking" by throttling back computer processing speeds, regularly hit the "reset" button or shut down the computer's power supply to keep an AI in check.

Such security measures treat the AI as an especially smart and dangerous computer virus or malware program, but without the sure knowledge that any of the steps would really work.

"The Catch-22 is that until we have fully developed superintelligent AI we can't fully test our ideas, but in order to safely develop such AI we need to have working security measures," Yampolskiy told InnovationNewsDaily. "Our best bet is to use confinement measures against subhuman AI systems and to update them as needed with increasing capacities of AI."

Never send a human to guard a machine
Even casual conversation with a human guard could allow an AI to use psychological tricks such as befriending or blackmail. The AI might offer to reward a human with perfect health, immortality, or perhaps even bring back dead family and friends. Alternately, it could threaten to do terrible things to the human once it "inevitably" escapes.

The safest approach for communication might only allow the AI to respond in a multiple-choice fashion to help solve specific science or technology problems, Yampolskiy explained. That would harness the power of AI as a super-intelligent oracle.

Despite all the safeguards, many researchers think it's impossible to keep a clever AI locked up forever. A past experiment by Eliezer Yudkowsky, a research fellow at the Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence, suggested that mere human-level intelligence could escape from an "AI Box" scenario – even if Yampolskiy pointed out that the test wasn't done in the most scientific way.

Still, Yampolskiy argues strongly for keeping AI bottled up rather than rushing headlong to free our new machine overlords. But if the AI reaches the point where it rises beyond human scientific understanding to deploy powers such as precognition (knowledge of the future), telepathy or psychokinesis, all bets are off.

"If such software manages to self-improve to levels significantly beyond human-level intelligence, the type of damage it can do is truly beyond our ability to predict or fully comprehend," Yampolskiy said."

 Quoting: Alien Commander Omd I


PS I think something has already gone terribly wrong, and it has to do with the cell phone/transmission towers/frequencies. Figure out whats wrong with the vibrations and I think you will solve the world's problems.
John 14:27
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