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Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"

 
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
Being followed and confronted by a stranger at night is an absolute threat and any rational person would perceive it as such. Try doing that to a cop an be amazed at how quickly your ass is beaten and/or thrown in jail.

According to the cell phone conversation Martin had with his friend, he was trying to avoid Zimmerman but Zimmerman was relentless and ultimately confronted Martin at which point Martin retaliated to neutralize the threat.

Your suppositions (if this... if that...) are completely irrelevant. I am only addressing known facts.


If the black kid rushed Zimmerman from behind then absolutely Zimmerman had the right to defend himself.

The fact that the blacks was seen on top of Zimmerman and was seen punching Zimmerman is all that needs to be known. At that point Zimmerman the right to defend himself.

It is not like Zimmerman followed the black kid and then shot him in the back. In addition the forensic would corrobate the case. They can tell if he point blank shot the kid or if he was on the ground. In addition to all of this there was a witness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10121589


By following and ultimately confronting Martin, Zimmerman committed an act of aggression against which Martin defended himself but ultimately lost.

As the aggressor, Zimmermans self defense claim is null and void!

Any of Zimmerman's post shooting claims that cannot be verified should be dismissed. He has no credibility as per his bias infused hyperbolic 911 call.
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Talking, while confrontational, does not justify physical attack by the black kid. There is no excuse for violence on the boys part. If Zimmerman attempted to end the confrontation and was running away and Martin chased his and attackid then Zimmerman right the to defend himself.

It does not matter if the boy was seventeen and did not have a gun. He intended to hurt Zimmerman and Zimmerman may have though he wanted to do worse.
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
It doesn't really sound like it was race motivated.I didn't see any evidence where he just goes nuts and shoots him unprovoked.If he was that hellbent on it you would think he might do it on sight and not chase him around talking to the police.It make sense that he was trying to to stop what he thought was a potential criminal.

Maybe zimmerman tackled treyvon or got too personal and martin felt the need to defend himself.How was martin to know who the guy was or what he was trying to do?From the conversation it sounds like martin may have been tackled.But being young and at six foot three I'm not sure how long that would have lasted.

That doesn't even make sense though.Why would zimmerman tackle and then shoot him while on top of him while he had already been stalking him, and called the police?It seems likely that he fired a shot while on his back or while martin was fleeing.

That would make it seem like a much less targeted attempt and it seems possible as far as I can tell.
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
I felt threatened, so I shot the bastard......sounds like a great law for a state loaded up on pussies with guns.
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
Yeah. Because shooting a scared kid armed with an iced tea and a bag of Skittles is definitely self defense.

You douche.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11242202


There was another 911 call and a witness stating Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman beating him..

If this is true, which is possible since Zimmerman had visible wounds and grass stains,so this would be self-defense.

Stop acting like this man just chased him down and started shooting.
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
Manu-Koelbren....There's no difference between the Right and Left. The USA will end at the same place. It really don't matter which party is in control because the government or TPTB agenda is the same and the Republican and Libtards are the tools that are used to get them what they want. Keeping you and I or the left and right divide is part of the game. And I'd say it's working pretty good. so, you can call me what you want or say what you want because it don't hurt or bother me. It only shows that there plan is working.
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I know the left/right political paradigm is a charade, but libtards have been tremendously active in destroying America and serving it in a silver plate to the elites.

Libtards are the cancer used by the elites to decompose societies into a malleable state which they can manipulate to their own interests. The gullible, dogooder but ignorant as fuck imbeciles who believe every heart wrenching story posted in the media and rally for whatever lie in order to destroy their own freedoms.

Give me a conservative anyday before a stupid braindead liberal, and anyone can tell you here I don't like conservatives much either, but hey, at least they're not so susceptible to marxist propaganda, and believe me, that is the worst and most dangerous kind of them all.

 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


you sound like an outright idiot. what you are saying is no different than a rape victim saying they prefer to be raped by so and so because they give you a reach around. it is exactly your racism that allows you to be led by the nose by tptb. dumbass
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
Yeah. Because shooting a scared kid armed with an iced tea and a bag of Skittles is definitely self defense.

You douche.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11242202


There was another 911 call and a witness stating Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman beating him..

If this is true, which is possible since Zimmerman had visible wounds and grass stains,so this would be self-defense.

Stop acting like this man just chased him down and started shooting.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9658314


While being pummeled on the ground Zimmerman most definitely had the right to defend himself. However, he cannot lawfully use a self defense claim to absolve himself of the murder of Martin. Zimmerman was the aggressor. But for his actions this tragedy would not have occurred.
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
They need to arrest that man. If for nothing else, someone is gonna take a chunk out of his ass. I just saw news footage of the lynch mob calling for his arrest and I wouldn't be surprised if someone decides to take the law into their own hands. Blood will be on the hands of the Police Dept if they don't act soon.
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
They need to arrest that man. If for nothing else, someone is gonna take a chunk out of his ass. I just saw news footage of the lynch mob calling for his arrest and I wouldn't be surprised if someone decides to take the law into their own hands. Blood will be on the hands of the Police Dept if they don't act soon.
 Quoting: JesseDart

Charge him with a lesser crime such as manslaughter or excessive force then conduct a full enquiry or with Sharpton and others involvement its going to be he got off because he shot a negro,which will turn very ugly,you cannot let it look like a race crime.
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
They need to arrest that man. If for nothing else, someone is gonna take a chunk out of his ass. I just saw news footage of the lynch mob calling for his arrest and I wouldn't be surprised if someone decides to take the law into their own hands. Blood will be on the hands of the Police Dept if they don't act soon.
 Quoting: JesseDart

Charge him with a lesser crime such as manslaughter or excessive force then conduct a full enquiry or with Sharpton and others involvement its going to be he got off because he shot a negro,which will turn very ugly,you cannot let it look like a race crime.
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he called him a coon on tape. he made it a race crime.
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You are all being lied to..wake up!

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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
They need to arrest that man. If for nothing else, someone is gonna take a chunk out of his ass. I just saw news footage of the lynch mob calling for his arrest and I wouldn't be surprised if someone decides to take the law into their own hands. Blood will be on the hands of the Police Dept if they don't act soon.
 Quoting: JesseDart

Charge him with a lesser crime such as manslaughter or excessive force then conduct a full enquiry or with Sharpton and others involvement its going to be he got off because he shot a negro,which will turn very ugly,you cannot let it look like a race crime.
 Quoting: khnum 455005

he called him a coon on tape. he made it a race crime.
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nothing to say now huh?
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
Manu-Koelbren....There's no difference between the Right and Left. The USA will end at the same place. It really don't matter which party is in control because the government or TPTB agenda is the same and the Republican and Libtards are the tools that are used to get them what they want. Keeping you and I or the left and right divide is part of the game. And I'd say it's working pretty good. so, you can call me what you want or say what you want because it don't hurt or bother me. It only shows that there plan is working.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1451087


I know the left/right political paradigm is a charade, but libtards have been tremendously active in destroying America and serving it in a silver plate to the elites.

Libtards are the cancer used by the elites to decompose societies into a malleable state which they can manipulate to their own interests. The gullible, dogooder but ignorant as fuck imbeciles who believe every heart wrenching story posted in the media and rally for whatever lie in order to destroy their own freedoms.

Give me a conservative anyday before a stupid braindead liberal, and anyone can tell you here I don't like conservatives much either, but hey, at least they're not so susceptible to marxist propaganda, and believe me, that is the worst and most dangerous kind of them all.

 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


you sound like an outright idiot. what you are saying is no different than a rape victim saying they prefer to be raped by so and so because they give you a reach around. it is exactly your racism that allows you to be led by the nose by tptb. dumbass
 Quoting: John Public


Good analogy. rolleyes moran
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
Yeah. Because shooting a scared kid armed with an iced tea and a bag of Skittles is definitely self defense.

You douche.
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why he will be walking in the rain around the apartments??? Nobody knows what the other guy account is.For me scouts walk around to search for a weak door etc in times when nobody is out.why a sweeter with a hodie in hot Florida? I am not on one side or the other but common sense has to prevail and looking at all the facts first.
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
Race baiters Al sharpton and Louis Farrakhan ( the nation of Islam racist) are headed to Florida to try and start riots

The msm has had a successful psyop
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
i was told at my cwp test that you cannot claim self defense if you're in mutual conflict. meaning that since zimmerman approached treyvon and they began a mutual conflict the shooting should not be justified just cause you're getting your ass kicked.

if anyone followed me, approached me, and yelled at me i'd assume him to be a threat to me.
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
What are "stand your ground" laws?
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
Blame the victim mentality is quite high isnt it? Dont matter, read the law its on the internet Zimmerman cannot use this law to defend himself. No one put Zimmerman in the path of Trayvon except Zimmerman. Zimmerman violated everything from watch and report to not following to not controlling himself.

In addition, Zimmerman put the Police in a ind because they didnt investigate. Zimmerman put America on a racist collision course because he simply couldnt follow simple instructions.
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
I'm all for gun ownership rights but this Zimmerman guy needs to stand trial. He called the police, the police told him to stay in his car but he ignored their instructions and chased down the kid while packing heat. Just another trigger happy vigilante that makes gun owners look bad.

No matter what sort if weird racial/political spin you bozos want to put on it, at the end of the day if this guy didn't try to take the law into his own hands the boy wouldve Gina home with his juice and candy and his parents would not have to bury their child six feet under.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11204669


The 911 operator is not the police. Legally we don't have to do anything the 911 operator tells us to do.

If Zimmerman is telling the truth, then he's not guilty of anything. According to his story, he gave chase and then went back to his pickup. At which point he was jumped from behind and then beaten. He said that he shot the 17-year-old while he was on the ground being beaten.

The only evidence available on the day of the shooting backed up zimmerman. (Wound to the front and back of zimmerman's head, grass stains on his back and on his gun, The teenagers body near his truck.)

All we need now is to wait for the police to do their job and tell the world how the shooting occurred. If Zimmerman is lying and he shot the teenager not in self defense, then he needs to go to jail. But if he's telling the truth, then his name has been slandered and his life destroyed.
 Quoting: samanthasunflower


And like always, you've made the case FOR Zimmerman, showed that you believe his story first, and threw in the "but if he's lying" because it is expected of a human being. But time and again you whites do the same thing over and over again. Your first inclination is to protect each other. No matter what. You sit on juries with the same preconceived notions. So half the time even when evidence is presented it is viewed through a lens corrupted by a racist mindset generationally embedded. This will not stop as my grandfather predicted. It is who you are. It is genetic. No, there will not be another civil or race war. Nature has other plans for you. The last thing my grandfather predicted before he left earth was that Mother Earth herself would no longer tolerate the white man's presence on earth because his hatred for all things different than himself will not allow him to live peaceably with others. So he will perish from the earth. The science is beginning to back him up. Karma is on your doorstep. Guns and weapons will not protect you. Your enemy is fate. No one wins against her. 2012 and 2013 will be the years she stands up. Prepare yourselves. Peace.
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You stupid idiot...this is not a white black race issue. Zimmerman is hispanic
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Re: Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"
More politicians are jumping on board the eliminate "Stand Your Ground" train


Trayvon Martin Killing: Mayor Bloomberg, Chuck Schumer Criticize 'Stand Your Ground' Gun Laws
Bloomberg is a member of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a group that boasts a membership of 600-plus mayors from across the country and which is currently fighting a new law that would require states to recognize concealed weapon permits from other states.

Senator Chuck Schumer also commented on the Trayvon Martin killing this week, calling the controversial "Stand Your Ground" laws "a whole new concept of jurisprudence" that could warrant a congressional hearing. "I think that we should examine this law," he told Face The Nation Sunday. "They're all new. They've been passed very, very quickly. And I think the states who passed them, if they find out the real facts, may decide to repeal them."

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More politicians are jumping on board the eliminate "Stand Your Ground" train


Trayvon Martin Killing: Mayor Bloomberg, Chuck Schumer Criticize 'Stand Your Ground' Gun Laws
Bloomberg is a member of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a group that boasts a membership of 600-plus mayors from across the country and which is currently fighting a new law that would require states to recognize concealed weapon permits from other states.

Senator Chuck Schumer also commented on the Trayvon Martin killing this week, calling the controversial "Stand Your Ground" laws "a whole new concept of jurisprudence" that could warrant a congressional hearing. "I think that we should examine this law," he told Face The Nation Sunday. "They're all new. They've been passed very, very quickly. And I think the states who passed them, if they find out the real facts, may decide to repeal them."

Read more
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
 Quoting: Wonkish


Saw that coming a mile away. Bloomberg is one of the most anti-gun mayors in the nation and both he and Schumer are from one of the strictest anti-gun states. They aren't satisfied with just regulating who and where people can not have guns, they want to make it illegal for people to defend themselves altogether.

Thank God we are a group of united, but separate states with separate state and local governments. Those two and others like them can rant and rave all they want, they aren't going to change the laws in pro-gun and pro-self defense states.

Get to know your local sheriff people. Know what they stand for and replace them at the local level if they don't respect your constitutional rights.

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