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So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?

 
JackedVegan
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So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
Hasn't the government slowly but surely taken our liberties right from under our noses? TSA, immense federal govt, no privacy, our Constitution shredded right before us!

Do we not have tens of millions of illegal invaders from foreign lands directly on our soil?

All of this, and so much more, whilst have the 2nd amend and the largest number of private gun ownership this planet has ever known.

Please don't construe this thread as me being anti-gun...in fact I'm a very proud gun owner and advocate for the Constitution.

So again, what good has the 2nd Amendment done at preserving liberty?
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
The 2nd Amendment hasn't disallowed tyranny nor enemy invaders.

Therefore the govt isn't worried one bit about private arms...hence we're still allowed to own them. They've simply figured out a way to keep us from using them...which is a helluva lot easier than banning them and confiscating them.

Thoughts?
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
You'd have never been born.
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
Wait for it...
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
You'd have never been born.
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Elaborate please...
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
I believe the last time we used the second amendment as a collective was during the civil war.. Unfortunately the government won
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
I believe the last time we used the second amendment as a collective was during the civil war.. Unfortunately the government won
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Indeed.
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
It's a solid point OP.

At first I was optimistic that we could fix things working within the system. When that failed I had hoped people would rise up and fix things with a movement. When that failed I said fuck this, It's time to move to another country before this one winds up like Nazi Germany at the end of WWII.
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
It's a solid point OP.

At first I was optimistic that we could fix things working within the system. When that failed I had hoped people would rise up and fix things with a movement. When that failed I said fuck this, It's time to move to another country before this one winds up like Nazi Germany at the end of WWII.
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Yes but move where? 1dunno1

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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
It's a solid point OP.

At first I was optimistic that we could fix things working within the system. When that failed I had hoped people would rise up and fix things with a movement. When that failed I said fuck this, It's time to move to another country before this one winds up like Nazi Germany at the end of WWII.
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This is the last bastion of freedom in the world.

You had best be prepared to buckle down and fight for your freedom or give up. You will find no other place that offers as much freedom as you have here. The fact that is is being usurped is because we have neglected to be vigilant against tyranny.



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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
to answer your excellent question "Guns don't kill people, people kill people"

the second amendment is there so if we ever get "people" in this country then the sheep will be saved
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
to answer your excellent question "Guns don't kill people, people kill people"

the second amendment is there so if we ever get "people" in this country then the sheep will be saved
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Let's hope.
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Data mine?
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Data mine?
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Paranoid schizo?
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
Its the last thing they will try and take. And it wont happen
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
For me, I think the 2nd amendment is more for Protecting my life and my property.

I don't think this day and age we could overthrow the gov. with only firearms.

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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
Hasn't the government slowly but surely taken our liberties right from under our noses? TSA, immense federal govt, no privacy, our Constitution shredded right before us!

Do we not have tens of millions of illegal invaders from foreign lands directly on our soil?

All of this, and so much more, whilst have the 2nd amend and the largest number of private gun ownership this planet has ever known.

Please don't construe this thread as me being anti-gun...in fact I'm a very proud gun owner and advocate for the Constitution.

So again, what good has the 2nd Amendment done at preserving liberty?
 Quoting: JackedVegan


Our country would have been overrun long ago if not for the second amendment. In fact, judging by the raping of our constitution and all the illegal laws/EO's, that have been passed, the second amendment is the LAST WEAPON we now have in our arsenal.

God help us all.
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
Hasn't the government slowly but surely taken our liberties right from under our noses? TSA, immense federal govt, no privacy, our Constitution shredded right before us!

Do we not have tens of millions of illegal invaders from foreign lands directly on our soil?

All of this, and so much more, whilst have the 2nd amend and the largest number of private gun ownership this planet has ever known.

Please don't construe this thread as me being anti-gun...in fact I'm a very proud gun owner and advocate for the Constitution.

So again, what good has the 2nd Amendment done at preserving liberty?
 Quoting: JackedVegan


you answered your own question.
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
To answer your question. Yes...It kept us from being invaded during previous two world wars.
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
I'd contend that the 2nd Amendment has slowed the progression of the errosions of rights. Something that could have happened almost literally overnight has taken more than a century.
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
once the government goes full retard, we will have something to at least try to fight back with. the question you should be asking is what WASNT done because we had guns.
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
It's a solid point OP.

At first I was optimistic that we could fix things working within the system. When that failed I had hoped people would rise up and fix things with a movement. When that failed I said fuck this, It's time to move to another country before this one winds up like Nazi Germany at the end of WWII.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11111244


This is the last bastion of freedom in the world.

You had best be prepared to buckle down and fight for your freedom or give up. You will find no other place that offers as much freedom as you have here. The fact that is is being usurped is because we have neglected to be vigilant against tyranny.



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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1548467


Are you nuts?

America is a pretty invasive place to live, and has many,many, many laws that are used to control and sometimes extort the population.

THere are many other countries in the world that are far less intrusive.
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
It's a solid point OP.

At first I was optimistic that we could fix things working within the system. When that failed I had hoped people would rise up and fix things with a movement. When that failed I said fuck this, It's time to move to another country before this one winds up like Nazi Germany at the end of WWII.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11111244


This is the last bastion of freedom in the world.

You had best be prepared to buckle down and fight for your freedom or give up. You will find no other place that offers as much freedom as you have here. The fact that is is being usurped is because we have neglected to be vigilant against tyranny.



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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1548467


"This is the last bastion of freedom in the world"

If you think you have freedom in the States, you are either delusional or brainwashed..

You vertually have no freedom left...The "patriot" act, The military commisions act, this new one with indefinate detention, now the pres can kill any American he deems a threat?

Last bastion of freedom my ass! if anything you have the least freedoms in the industrialized world, check out the freedoms that Switzerland enjoys....

Unfortunately, the US has become a fascist police state, 2nd amendment or not!
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
once the government goes full retard, we will have something to at least try to fight back with. the question you should be asking is what WASNT done because we had guns.
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Just how many lines do you have to draw and for them to cross before you deem it a "full retard" situation?
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
Hasn't the government slowly but surely taken our liberties right from under our noses? TSA, immense federal govt, no privacy, our Constitution shredded right before us!

Do we not have tens of millions of illegal invaders from foreign lands directly on our soil?

All of this, and so much more, whilst have the 2nd amend and the largest number of private gun ownership this planet has ever known.

Please don't construe this thread as me being anti-gun...in fact I'm a very proud gun owner and advocate for the Constitution.

So again, what good has the 2nd Amendment done at preserving liberty?
 Quoting: JackedVegan


I see what you're saying in that the Second Amendment has not prevented what appears to be the steady erosion of the Constitution, but let's look at what the Second Amendment says

Second Amendment

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


What the Constitutional founders had the foresight to say is that the security of a free state requires a well regulated militia and the people of that state will have the right to bear arms, be that the people form that militia.

But since modern times the milita is supplied arms by the state. Now, IMO if the powers of the state disenfranchises the people then the state no longer represents the people and that is where things get complicated, because who does the milita represent? The state that has disenfranchised the people or the people themselves?

That is why I believe the Constitutional writers put in the provision that the people's right to bear arms shall not be infringed, because the powers of the state is subject to corruption and that corruption turns into tyranny, usually against the people.

If anything, I see the Second Amendment as the line that must not be crossed because it could set up for a very bad reaction from the public, and too many people that suspect and debate "we're loosing our freedoms under the Constitution," it would be a blatant indicator that "we are" loosing our freedoms, and at which point I would have to agree.

The Second Amendment has not prevented what is perceived as slowly loosing our rights, but if we are then one day it will have to be crossed and that's when people will know it's not some conspiracy.
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
It helped when 2 scumbags came to my house to rob me and probably rape my wife in the process. Joke was on them when, thanks to the 2nd amendment I grabbed my loaded double barrell from next to my bed, waited for the handle to turn and unloaaded. One died right away the other is in jail with out a left arm from the shoulder down. It was a great day in the history of the 2nd amendment.

So fuck you for being a stupid liberal and thinking guns are bad. Sillly liberal step into the real world.
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Well just imagine how things would be without it.
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
The 2nd Amendment hasn't disallowed tyranny nor enemy invaders.

(herpderp implications hurrr infantile conjecture)

Thoughts?
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you're an idiot, obviously
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
Because no American has ever shot and killed a home invader while exercising their 2nd amendment rights?

Because no American has ever felt peace of mind while exercising their 2nd amendment right in public and felt comfort in knowing he/she has the ability to protect oneself from danger?

Stop being so close-minded.

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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
once the government goes full retard, we will have something to at least try to fight back with. the question you should be asking is what WASNT done because we had guns.
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Just how many lines do you have to draw and for them to cross before you deem it a "full retard" situation?
 Quoting: LosTLocos


lol i think we are about there.
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Re: So how has the 2nd Amendment helped?
Hasn't the government slowly but surely taken our liberties right from under our noses? TSA, immense federal govt, no privacy, our Constitution shredded right before us!

Do we not have tens of millions of illegal invaders from foreign lands directly on our soil?

All of this, and so much more, whilst have the 2nd amend and the largest number of private gun ownership this planet has ever known.

Please don't construe this thread as me being anti-gun...in fact I'm a very proud gun owner and advocate for the Constitution.

So again, what good has the 2nd Amendment done at preserving liberty?
 Quoting: JackedVegan


Our country would have been overrun long ago if not for the second amendment. In fact, judging by the raping of our constitution and all the illegal laws/EO's, that have been passed, the second amendment is the LAST WEAPON we now have in our arsenal.

God help us all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1306067


I agree with you. I believe they are trying to figure out, by passing all these quiet laws under our noses, to take away our 2nd amendment, as OP said in first post. It is our last weapon - as you state. Just a matter of time through a false flag (imho) that will instigate martial law, and banning our weapons. It is then, chaos will ensue.

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