A question for the Americans..

Great post! I agree with you, but the ones in control of your Government are the ones who established Israel!

Uh, I think the ones who established Israel are long gone and dead, so they can't possibly control the govt of the US.
You said you agree with me but yet you contradict me? How can that be OP? You got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy!

The reason you explained is true but not fully. Of course theres money involved but the main tactic is to get in control of the whole mid-east. The Powers might act as an ally to the Saudis but at the end the Arabs will suffer.

No, they like all people are important. When they act against other people they are not acting in my interests.

Like wise, when they are attacked it also is not in my interest.

Both sides have problems with a loyalty to ideas, they are right and the others are wrong.

When leader are busy blaming them, who ever them happens to be, it is a sign they are robbing you of something, wealth, power, health...something. In other words, evil is in the heart of the one declaring other as "the evil ones".

Is there a peace treaty between Israel and the U.S?

Of course arabs will suffer because the Kings and Sultans want them to suffer. An educated arab is a threat to the status quo and that's why they hate Israel.
Case in point:After 1947, the Zionists went to Israel to turn that piece of scap land into something fertile.
When Israelis were harvesting their fields turned fertile and productive, they could look across the border and see desolate land.
Their initial objective upon settling new Israel was to share that food producing technology with the arabs, but a funny thing happened to the new Israelis. Many times when they were on their tractors, they could glance skyward and see arab fighter planes.
Now wouldn't it be something if the arab governments would have spent money on tractors as opposed to fighter planes? Imagine the possibilities of Arabs and Israelis living in peace?
The road block to this sharing of technology and information was the Arab governments. They refused to have the Israelis assist the common arab because that could lead to the arab man being able to take care of himself and refuse any help from the Kingdom or Sultanate. The rulers couldn't have that now, could they?
So it's the Arab neighbors of Israel that continue to rattle the sabers against Israel in order to keep their own people down and dependant on the kingdom.
It's quite sad really! The Israelis wanted to embrace the Arab world but the Arab world wanted war instead.

Peace will come if you look inward. You should be fighting for the brotherhood of man instead of fighting your brothers!

Another great post. I have some research to do now.

Great job!

Hey Evan03, look at your signature! Its Ted Nugent not Ted Nougat!
Good luck finding out that information. I don't think you'll find that anywhere on the net.
I've been studying 20th Century history since 5th grade, so I have come across many facts, theories, opinions and doctrine that may or may not be readily accessed in today's electronic age.
That last post was deduced from a book I read way back in high school. I can't remember the name of it now because its been a 1/4 of a century, but the message posted is 100% on point!

Iran is just Russia's little bitch...being used as a stick in the western wheels.

Evan03, here is a scratch on the surface of what I mentioned. You just have to read between the lines to understand what is fact.

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It's quite telling, really!

Thank you! as for my sig, I copied it from another poster whos user name on GLP was ted nougat..lol

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I could do this all night for you OP! Why don't you bother to respond? Does the truth hurt?

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I'm looking into what you posted too.

That takes time.

Difficult to have a meaningful dialogue until one brings themselves up to speed.

You know Baldrick, my friend, it's a shame that the Arab world is denied these facts that I can randomly throw about. Hell! I'm not Arab or Jewish and I know these things to be truth.
Let me ask you this. Do you think you're going to move into a neighborhood and posture yourself as a threat or would you try to live among those new neighbors and try to be friendly and helpful?
The answer is always self evident. The Israelis never had any intention of conquering anything but the land they were given by the UN and the Balfour Doctrine.

And therein lies the heart of the issue....if they were "given" the land in the true sense of the word, there should have been no issues.

I can see from what you post that Israel has a programme to develop and export intelectual property and in doing so has offered their developments to all, however we are not privvy to the terms of the offers.

Too many quantifiable unknowns to hold a firm stance.

Even the offer of gold can be rejected if the terms of the offer are not suitable.

The issues run deep, and unfortunately there is too much water under the bridge.

I wish there was peace in the ME. Unfortunately that is not the world we live in.

I've said a billion times,

Israel
US
Germany
UK
Saudis

All share a cabal that has nwo intents. The rest of the groups are fighting them. They do not care about nation rights once their plans are complete they will attain the control most of you fear using your actions and in various cases lack of them to do so.

People here only want to listen to what shills from these governments present so I leave it to you to connect all these dots.

Yet people here should listen well.

They built this war of terror using Saudi grunts to be terrorist poster childs. Them and israel worked in the 60s-80s to make all those terrorist plane attacks.

The idea that these groups are fighting an enemy to me is absurd because they fund the enemies they create and supply them with the many power and intelligence to pull off attacks.

Good luck convincing the sheep in this country or of those I name of the truth but I never said I was trying to persuade anyone with these words.

That is a valid point and well accepted. But what is also known is that several thousand arabs graduate from Israeli universities every year and Israel welcomes this.
What is the difference between the graduated arab the the militant Palestinian?
Israel shares their info and technology with those who want to take it. Those who refuse to accept throw stones back at the Israelis!

UN? =))) oh please!

Your answer has to be a bit more intelligent than that if you want to learn anything. What is your concern or disagreement with what I posted?

There are factions on all sides either promoting peace and development, or promoting war and unrest.

I cannot look at any country and assume that the people and institutions within operate with a singular goal in mind.

Here is hoping the goals of peace and sovereign development in harmony prevail.

Egypt NOT Israel is U.S. Closest Mid-East Ally

What are your beliefs founded on ? Any factual basis at all ?

In summary, don't ask Americans for any opinion worth hearing. 99% are COMPLETELY delusional. ...make that a clean 99.8%

Thank God He forgives...

My disagreement sir with your some what not true words regarding Israel and its aims. The Israel Government has full intention of controlling the mid-east wether the arabs like it or not. You talk about Israel not having the aim of conquering yet it has occupied a territory where normal people used to reside and live a normal life. Now they are thrown away because of some religious book that says that PIECE OF LAND belongs to the jewish people. This my friend is not a logic i can rely on. It is pure nonsense. A tactical strategical movement towards conquering the palestinian land. I don't understand why you keep on bashing me over why I'm not answering because what you talk about is totally a one way view of the situation.

This is new.. go on..

I won't argue that point other than to say that if your argument were true then Israel would have conquered arab land from Egypt to Saudi Arabia during the 1967 and 1973 wars. But they didn't!
All wars Israel have fought have been from a defensive nature. I think there are those in Israel who want war but I don't think those same people want to conquer any land from the Arabs.
The Golan Heights were taken because they are strategically important to the defense of Israel. If you go there, the land isn't rich in any natural resources but it is strategically important militarily.

I understand but every opinion is an opinion. I'm learning from each and every one of them. Thank you.

Ally? More of a pet, really

Can you back up your claim about Israel's intentions or are you just stating what you have been taught in arab based schools?