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Trayvon Martin called 911 himself before the shooting! Juicy

 
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No one saw anything!!! There were no eye witnesses!
I've said that from the start. I've listened to all the tapes before I joined the thread, which is why I know you didn't know what you were talking about.

I made a very specific comment at the start. Zimmerman is an unstable person, and his explanation of the murder were taken at face value by his acquaintances at the PD. The witnesses made statements contradicting Zimmerman's account, and the PD ignored it and closed the case perfunctorily.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


ok.. we all know you are an obvious shill and even you dont believe your own lies. the PD recognized that zimmerman's story matched the only true eyewitnesses'. then there are the 911 audios that confirm everything else.

the two bimbo's think trayvon is an 11 yr old boy and they heard girly screams so trayvon is the one crying for help. they got their info from abc cnn rosie odonnel etc.
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There were no eyewitness! Please, please, show me the evidence of the existence of this eyewitness, and I will gladly apologize. Until then, stop lying, stop making things up, stop trying to discredit the witnesses who went to the police much, much earlier.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


There is a eye witness to the fight. Just a moment before the shooting! Says Trayvon is on top of Zimmerman. Closer to the truth than that strech provided by the media.
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What witness statements are you talking about?
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Link to materials made available by the City of Sanford:

[link to sanfordfl.gov]
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This needs to be on every page
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Listen to 911 #4 at the link I provided a couple of posts up. The woman, on the actual 911 call, says she is seeing a man in a white shirt on top of another man hitting him. Zimmerman was wearing a red shirt that night, Trevon a light grey hoodie. Which do you think would appear like a white shirt in the dark.


Please educate yourself before you sound like a mindless imbecile. Quit parroting the MSM bullshit.

IT WILL BE SHOWN (it's already been determined by the Sanford police, but it will be re-verified by the other agencies now that they're involved) that the shot trajectory angle indicates that Treyvon was shot from an angle consistent with him being on top of Zimmerman.
 Quoting: Nemamiah


You mean this link? [link to www.sanfordfl.gov]

Do you have a problem with listening/comprehension? She called AFTER the shot. AFTER. She also admitted she DID NOT see it. She took a peek several minutes later, and mentioned the white shirt. Get it?

Please develop your listening skill before engaging people online. Quit pandering to your bigotry and look at the facts. A kid died and the police is involved in a coverup.

Goodness.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


Your level of retarded bigotry should be illegal.

Listen to: [link to www.sanfordfl.gov] again, specifically @ 3:10 - 3:15 on the recording.


SHE SPECIFICALLY SAYS "The guy on top had a white t-shirt"


DO YOU ALWAYS GO AROUND SPEWING LIES TO ACCOMPLISH YOUR AGENDA? OR ARE YOU JUST IGNORANT TO THE POINT OF BEING MEDICALLY BRAIN DEAD?

Please, do the world a favor and just off yourself. You're comsuming valuable oxygen.
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Wow. Wow. You do realize that she called when the shot was fired right? As she herself confirmed (someone is screaming outside...there is a gunshot). You do realized that means she did not witnessed the incident, right? Which part of this are you not getting? Which part of this is too difficult for you to understand? THERE WERE NO EYEWITNESS. NONE.
Sigh... One blithering idiot after another.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


** SIGH **

OK, I'll think for you AGAIN.

In 911 call #4 (just a few seconds after the timeframe I posted above --- @ 3:15-3:20):

The caller says "I looked out my window and there was a guy on top, a guy in a white t-shirt"

PLEASE STOP.

YOU'VE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY HERE, as it's obvious to all that you are a black person with a hate agenda against everyone who isn't black.

At least have the decency to bow out without making a fool of yourself any longer.
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Why do you guys keep calling him "white-trash" or "redneck," he is Latino.. I also don't see how you call him racist, it is ridiculous.

As for gun training, it is part of the police academy training, which he had in 2008; as for the charge from 2005 that several people have brought up, if was serious then he would have not qualified for the police training. He had every right to have a gun, train for a gun, and use the gun if he felt threatened.

You can not go through the police academy if you are guilty of assaulting a cop.. duh! I know this because a relative is a cop, and it is common sense.

Then again, most you you guys are trying to lynch this guy based on biased, agenda driven media reports and edited 911 calls.

One more thing.. if you are going to act gangster/thug, dress gangster/thug, and put off that you are big and bad.. then don't be surprised that people are going to treat you that way!

peace
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Well, for the record, my own references to white-trash rednecks had to do with the dumbass whose video was posted earlier.

But walk a mile in Trayvon's shoes for a minute. Imagine walking home from the store with your Arizona Ice Tea in hand, when you happen to notice that some guy was watching you. Then, following you...
Not fun. Not right.

And if you wound up dead because this guy shot you, don't you think that your family would demand an arrest?

And if it turned out that the police had not done a *complete* investigation for any reason, wouldn't you expect that your family would go to the media in order to get support -- in order to make certain that a thorough investigation, completely above board, is accomplished?

Take all racial inferences out of this situation. Try not to view it emotionally. Just imagine yourself in those same circumstances. Imagine how your family would react to your sudden death.

I walk around my neighborhood when I want to. I don't expect to be watched by someone carrying a gun. I certainly don't expect to be followed. And if that did happen, I would confront the SOB -- or maybe just try to get away. I don't know. But damn it. This is supposed to be a free country where people can walk back from the neighborhood store with their can of Arizona Ice Tea in hand and expect to get home without being shot.

This is wrong. This is fishy. This is stupid. This is intollerable.

I want an investigation. I want justice for this family. I want the police and all wannabe police to be on notice that you just don't get to shoot people for walking home from the store and expect to get away with it.

But this is not about race.
 Quoting: Lurker 6356307


I apologize that I miss understood the "white-trash" comment, but the rest of your post is non-sense. How do you know I am viewing this emotionally, or with race issues in mind.

I have been through something like this; and what the cops did was pretty much standard if all the evidence is there.

Your logic is faulty, if someone lives or visits a gated community, then of course there is going to be some sort of neighborhood watch or security; Zimmerman was captain of the neighborhood watch and did what I hope others would do, especially since there were a string of unsolved break ins.

Get off the justice train, if there was a 911 from the kid, it would be in the report.

He is not the innocent little boy you are being spoon fed that he was. He was a troubled, weed dealing (assuming from facebook references), thug wanna be.. and guess what, if you act, look, and try to be a thug, then people are going to treat you and watch you like one.

And yes, that will lead to questions when you are not recognized in a "GATED" "NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH" patrolled neighbor hood.


peace
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Well, first, you are not being objective when you characterize Trayvon as "troubled." There's no way for you to know that. But I don't care what Martin was like. The fact is that in those circumstances, he was not "up to no good" as Zimmerman alleged.

But I just finished listening to the 911 calls provided via the above link.

A coupla' things that nobody else has mentioned:
1. During the initial call, Zimmerman reports that Martin is running away. There was no reason on earth to pursue him at that point. The police were on their way. That should have ended the encounter.
But if we are to presume to characterize Zimmerman (in the same way that a presumption has been made about Martin), then it can be presumed that Zimmerman was "up to no good" just by the very fact that he followed Martin after reporting his presence in the neighborhood to the police.

2. It is curious to me that the people who called 911 all reported that they had picked up the phone the very instant that they heard the gunshot, or just slightly earlier when they heard screams for help. During each call, the callers reported that they then saw people with flashlights at the scene. And it was generally agreed that these people were, in fact, police officers.
Perhaps it's unknowable, but I find that to be curious. The point in time that a gunshot was heard and the point in time when the police were observed to be on the scene was a difference of a few seconds. A few seconds.
How could Zimmerman be afraid for his life if the police were in such close proximity? And especially since he, himself, had called them and knew that they were on their way?

Please bear with me. I really want you to consider my point of view.
We, as Americans, cannot tollerate the possibility that police, and certainly random individuals, shoot people based on how they dress, what they look like, or what they may be *suspected* of. I know it happens all the time. And each time, it's wrong.
This incident has brought the issue to the attention of the public. That's a good thing. Police over-reach, police mistreatment, police shootings -- and that of their favored friends, security personnel, et al -- should not be tollerated. Seriously. This is wrong. No pepper spray. No tasers. No shootings. No death. Based on the notion that someone *looks* like he's "up to no good."

Forget about race. This is about whether Americans accept that citizens can be shot based on suspicion alone or not.
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None of us know what really happened, but one thing is clear, it should be for a jury to decide.

Zimmerman is not protected under the law, he should have been arrested.
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And there I was thinking it was something long-winded like BootsAroundTheWorld.
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I was thinking maybe Treyvon saw that Zimmerman had a gun and started yelling and was wrestling to get control of it. I can't see how Zimmerman could be getting beat up and have the ability to pull out a gun from his waist while he's on his back. Oh wait, I wonder if he had the weapon drawn when approaching him.
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Zimmerman is not protected under the law, he should have been arrested.
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Why would he be arrested for shooting someone who was trying to beat him to death by slamming his head against the pavement?
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So, in conclusion, none of you are able to provide evidence of this so-called imaginary eye-witness.

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1. During the initial call, Zimmerman reports that Martin is running away. There was no reason on earth to pursue him at that point. The police were on their way. That should have ended the encounter.
But if we are to presume to characterize Zimmerman (in the same way that a presumption has been made about Martin), then it can be presumed that Zimmerman was "up to no good" just by the very fact that he followed Martin after reporting his presence in the neighborhood to the police.
 Quoting: Lurker 6356307

Pursuing a suspected burglar meant Zimmerman was up to no good? Interesting interpretation...
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If Treyvon called 91 before being murdered then Zimmerman is toast. If it was a known fact prior to today that Treyvon Martin called 911 before being mudrered then the entire city of Sabford is toast.
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I don't see why.
Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and had him flat on his back and bloodied.


And meanwhile, dozens and dozens of innocent whites have lost their lives to black criminals, lots of them wearing hoodies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13165282


Well, isn't Trayvon Martin entitled to the same '' Stand your ground'' defense as Zimmerman? Zimmerman was a suspicious man following him. So Suspicious that apparently Trayvon called 911. I think it's apparent to any non racist what happened here.
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What everyone who cries Stand Your Ground, your forgetting one crucial element. Stand Your Ground only applies on one's property, not after chasing some kid down.

This issue isn't about white/black hispanic/white so stop trying to make it about that. What is this really about? This is just another battle on us youth. Whether its telling us how to act and dress, shooting us because we "look suspicious," leading us into a state of quasi indentured servitude through tuition fees, or the unfair burden we will have to pay for Social Security, there is a war on us youth.

A war we are currently losing. If only we could go back to the old adage.... "Don't trust anyone over thirty."
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You mean this link? [link to www.sanfordfl.gov]

Do you have a problem with listening/comprehension? She called AFTER the shot. AFTER. She also admitted she DID NOT see it. She took a peek several minutes later, and mentioned the white shirt. Get it?

Please develop your listening skill before engaging people online. Quit pandering to your bigotry and look at the facts. A kid died and the police is involved in a coverup.

Goodness.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


Your level of retarded bigotry should be illegal.

Listen to: [link to www.sanfordfl.gov] again, specifically @ 3:10 - 3:15 on the recording.


SHE SPECIFICALLY SAYS "The guy on top had a white t-shirt"


DO YOU ALWAYS GO AROUND SPEWING LIES TO ACCOMPLISH YOUR AGENDA? OR ARE YOU JUST IGNORANT TO THE POINT OF BEING MEDICALLY BRAIN DEAD?

Please, do the world a favor and just off yourself. You're comsuming valuable oxygen.
 Quoting: Nemamiah


Wow. Wow. You do realize that she called when the shot was fired right? As she herself confirmed (someone is screaming outside...there is a gunshot). You do realized that means she did not witnessed the incident, right? Which part of this are you not getting? Which part of this is too difficult for you to understand? THERE WERE NO EYEWITNESS. NONE.
Sigh... One blithering idiot after another.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


** SIGH **

OK, I'll think for you AGAIN.

In 911 call #4 (just a few seconds after the timeframe I posted above --- @ 3:15-3:20):

The caller says "I looked out my window and there was a guy on top, a guy in a white t-shirt"

PLEASE STOP.

YOU'VE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY HERE, as it's obvious to all that you are a black person with a hate agenda against everyone who isn't black.

At least have the decency to bow out without making a fool of yourself any longer.
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Moron, if the shooting occurred behind her house while she was on the phone and not witness to it, AS SHE HERSELF ACKNOWLEDGED, how in heavens name is she an eye witness? Listen to the tape. Listen to the tape!!! Listen to the first minute. Listen how she, terrified, told the dispatcher that someone is screaming outside...there is a gunshot. Explain that to everyone reading this thread. Show how you are not an absolute moron with listening and reading comprehension problem. Yes, I added reading. Because if you read my comments, you would know where I was coming from.
But for now, explain the first thirty seconds of the tape when the woman, by her own admission, indicated that she did not see the shooting. Jeeza
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Why do you guys keep calling him "white-trash" or "redneck," he is Latino.. I also don't see how you call him racist, it is ridiculous.

As for gun training, it is part of the police academy training, which he had in 2008; as for the charge from 2005 that several people have brought up, if was serious then he would have not qualified for the police training. He had every right to have a gun, train for a gun, and use the gun if he felt threatened.

You can not go through the police academy if you are guilty of assaulting a cop.. duh! I know this because a relative is a cop, and it is common sense.

Then again, most you you guys are trying to lynch this guy based on biased, agenda driven media reports and edited 911 calls.

One more thing.. if you are going to act gangster/thug, dress gangster/thug, and put off that you are big and bad.. then don't be surprised that people are going to treat you that way!

peace
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Well, for the record, my own references to white-trash rednecks had to do with the dumbass whose video was posted earlier.

But walk a mile in Trayvon's shoes for a minute. Imagine walking home from the store with your Arizona Ice Tea in hand, when you happen to notice that some guy was watching you. Then, following you...
Not fun. Not right.

And if you wound up dead because this guy shot you, don't you think that your family would demand an arrest?

And if it turned out that the police had not done a *complete* investigation for any reason, wouldn't you expect that your family would go to the media in order to get support -- in order to make certain that a thorough investigation, completely above board, is accomplished?

Take all racial inferences out of this situation. Try not to view it emotionally. Just imagine yourself in those same circumstances. Imagine how your family would react to your sudden death.

I walk around my neighborhood when I want to. I don't expect to be watched by someone carrying a gun. I certainly don't expect to be followed. And if that did happen, I would confront the SOB -- or maybe just try to get away. I don't know. But damn it. This is supposed to be a free country where people can walk back from the neighborhood store with their can of Arizona Ice Tea in hand and expect to get home without being shot.

This is wrong. This is fishy. This is stupid. This is intollerable.

I want an investigation. I want justice for this family. I want the police and all wannabe police to be on notice that you just don't get to shoot people for walking home from the store and expect to get away with it.

But this is not about race.
 Quoting: Lurker 6356307



"Lurker", your posts are so heavy with race hate, they are tipping the GLP scales.

You don't want the truth. You don't want justice.

You want fantasy. You want what you've predetermined has happened BECAUSE Treyvon was BLACK.

That's all you want, and everyone here has become acutely aware of you, and a small group of other posters, that do nothing constructive in finding truth, but simply denigrate people who are not black.
 Quoting: Nemamiah


You have no right to accuse me of being a racist. And you have nothing in my remarks on which to base such an accusation.

I see Trayvon as an individual. There are many here who simply cannot get past the fact that he happens to be black. Unfortunately, that obstacle does, in fact, prejudice their judgement.

Race has nothing to do with this. Like I've said earlier, this is about whether Americans are willing to allow the police or neighborhood vigillantes to shoot and kill people based on suspicion alone.
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None of us know what really happened, but one thing is clear, it should be for a jury to decide.

Zimmerman is not protected under the law, he should have been arrested.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13107156


*SIGH*

Under what crime? Self-Defense?

What facts or testimony do you have that support an arrest?

ALL the testimony, gun shot trajectory, and other tidbits of information SUPPORT Zimmerman.

YOU are being influenced by the MSM and their cronies.
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Listen to all 8 tapes. The 2 ladies paradeing around on the news didn't SEE anything, then run off at the mouth that they "think" its Trayvon screaming. The only eyewitness to the fight says Trayvon was on Zimmerman. The info is right there. And you will also see Zimmerman does not call anyone a coon
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No one saw anything!!! There were no eye witnesses!
I've said that from the start. I've listened to all the tapes before I joined the thread, which is why I know you didn't know what you were talking about.

I made a very specific comment at the start. Zimmerman is an unstable person, and his explanation of the murder were taken at face value by his acquaintances at the PD. The witnesses made statements contradicting Zimmerman's account, and the PD ignored it and closed the case perfunctorily.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


You are right in saying no one saw the actual shoting. But there is a witness who seen Trayvon on top of Zimmerman a moment before the shooting, and has been there since the night of the investigation. The media has ignored this very important evidence. And the unedired tape of Zimmerman clearly shows that he didn't call anyone a coon
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Where is the evidence? Don't hedge. Show me the evidence. Bear in mind that I have read most of the documents related to the case and have listened to all the 911 calls made.

As for the 'coon' remark, not my concern. There is no evidence to support that at this stage. I've made it clear since the start that my concern is the blatant abuse of power and the cover up.
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Blatant abuse of power is bullshit. Over zealous certainly. He was a neighborhood watchman and this was private property. Private is not like public property. Don't like the rules? move. Doesn't give Tayvon the right to assault him
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And there I was thinking it was something long-winded like BootsAroundTheWorld.
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Can you please stop trolling? You do not agree with me, so you attempted to paint me as a Malaysian extremist, without for a moment considering that there are millions of Americans living and working all over the the world. Instead of just backing off, you just go on and on with this nonsense. So, please, stop it.
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1. During the initial call, Zimmerman reports that Martin is running away. There was no reason on earth to pursue him at that point. The police were on their way. That should have ended the encounter.
But if we are to presume to characterize Zimmerman (in the same way that a presumption has been made about Martin), then it can be presumed that Zimmerman was "up to no good" just by the very fact that he followed Martin after reporting his presence in the neighborhood to the police.
 Quoting: Lurker 6356307

Pursuing a suspected burglar meant Zimmerman was up to no good? Interesting interpretation...
 Quoting: Aetius


It was not Zimmerman's job to pursue. He had no authority whatsoever to pursue. The police had been called. His duty as a "watchman" was done.
But Zimmerman, as abundantly evident by his 911 call, had already made his judgment. And it *seems* that he was hell-bent on not only being the judge, but also the executioner in this case. But I'll wait for the court to decide that before I believe that as fact. IF it gets to court, that is.
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LOL what utter BS. You people buy anything. Can't even think through basic facts and events.

Help, let me call 911, someone is about to "murder" me later!
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Maybe he called 911 because Zimmerman was following him?
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Really?? You actually believe that's possible? Of course he wanted to call attention to himself and have the police show up. Unbelievable.
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No one saw anything!!! There were no eye witnesses!
I've said that from the start. I've listened to all the tapes before I joined the thread, which is why I know you didn't know what you were talking about.

I made a very specific comment at the start. Zimmerman is an unstable person, and his explanation of the murder were taken at face value by his acquaintances at the PD. The witnesses made statements contradicting Zimmerman's account, and the PD ignored it and closed the case perfunctorily.
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You are right in saying no one saw the actual shoting. But there is a witness who seen Trayvon on top of Zimmerman a moment before the shooting, and has been there since the night of the investigation. The media has ignored this very important evidence. And the unedired tape of Zimmerman clearly shows that he didn't call anyone a coon
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Where is the evidence? Don't hedge. Show me the evidence. Bear in mind that I have read most of the documents related to the case and have listened to all the 911 calls made.

As for the 'coon' remark, not my concern. There is no evidence to support that at this stage. I've made it clear since the start that my concern is the blatant abuse of power and the cover up.
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Blatant abuse of power is bullshit. Over zealous certainly. He was a neighborhood watchman and this was private property. Private is not like public property. Don't like the rules? move. Doesn't give Tayvon the right to assault him
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Look, stop hedging. Show me the proof. You've been going on and on, but have yet to show the proof of this eyewitness. I don't want to repeat everything over and over again for you. I have listed down the facts of the case, facts that are publicly available. Show me your proof, and I will gladly apologize. Or have the decency to apologize to me.
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I apologize that I miss understood the "white-trash" comment, but the rest of your post is non-sense. How do you know I am viewing this emotionally, or with race issues in mind.

I have been through something like this; and what the cops did was pretty much standard if all the evidence is there.

Your logic is faulty, if someone lives or visits a gated community, then of course there is going to be some sort of neighborhood watch or security; Zimmerman was captain of the neighborhood watch and did what I hope others would do, especially since there were a string of unsolved break ins.

Get off the justice train, if there was a 911 from the kid, it would be in the report.

He is not the innocent little boy you are being spoon fed that he was. He was a troubled, weed dealing (assuming from facebook references), thug wanna be.. and guess what, if you act, look, and try to be a thug, then people are going to treat you and watch you like one.

And yes, that will lead to questions when you are not recognized in a "GATED" "NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH" patrolled neighbor hood.


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You didn't misunderstand "Lurker". He IS FULL OF HATE and is one of the biggest RACISTS on this board.

Don't let his backpedaling now confuse you.

HE really is that much of a HATER.
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And exactly who is it I'm supposed to be hating? The people who call me names? The people who accuse me falsely?
Who am I hating? I usually respond calmly to that, as I am responding to you now.
I am not treating you as you have treated me.
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You are right in saying no one saw the actual shoting. But there is a witness who seen Trayvon on top of Zimmerman a moment before the shooting, and has been there since the night of the investigation. The media has ignored this very important evidence. And the unedired tape of Zimmerman clearly shows that he didn't call anyone a coon
 Quoting: whitemike761


Where is the evidence? Don't hedge. Show me the evidence. Bear in mind that I have read most of the documents related to the case and have listened to all the 911 calls made.

As for the 'coon' remark, not my concern. There is no evidence to support that at this stage. I've made it clear since the start that my concern is the blatant abuse of power and the cover up.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


Blatant abuse of power is bullshit. Over zealous certainly. He was a neighborhood watchman and this was private property. Private is not like public property. Don't like the rules? move. Doesn't give Tayvon the right to assault him
 Quoting: whitemike761


Look, stop hedging. Show me the proof. You've been going on and on, but have yet to show the proof of this eyewitness. I don't want to repeat everything over and over again for you. I have listed down the facts of the case, facts that are publicly available. Show me your proof, and I will gladly apologize. Or have the decency to apologize to me.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


a link about that was posted on the first page of this thread and I just posted a video on this page about the 'imaginary' eyewitness.
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If Treyvon called 91 before being murdered then Zimmerman is toast. If it was a known fact prior to today that Treyvon Martin called 911 before being mudrered then the entire city of Sabford is toast.
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I don't see why.
Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and had him flat on his back and bloodied.


And meanwhile, dozens and dozens of innocent whites have lost their lives to black criminals, lots of them wearing hoodies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13165282


Well, isn't Trayvon Martin entitled to the same '' Stand your ground'' defense as Zimmerman? Zimmerman was a suspicious man following him. So Suspicious that apparently Trayvon called 911. I think it's apparent to any non racist what happened here.
 Quoting: Non Racist 13012017


What everyone who cries Stand Your Ground, your forgetting one crucial element. Stand Your Ground only applies on one's property, not after chasing some kid down.

This issue isn't about white/black hispanic/white so stop trying to make it about that. What is this really about? This is just another battle on us youth. Whether its telling us how to act and dress, shooting us because we "look suspicious," leading us into a state of quasi indentured servitude through tuition fees, or the unfair burden we will have to pay for Social Security, there is a war on us youth.

A war we are currently losing. If only we could go back to the old adage.... "Don't trust anyone over thirty."
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You're quoting the Castle Doctrine (on your own property or vehicle) not Stand your Ground.

Stand your Ground is anywhere.
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Many of you don't understand how legal matters work. Zimmerman is guilty on more than one count no matter how you cut it. It doesn't matter if it was infact Zimmerman who was screaming..he is still guilty.. Let me break it down for you....

1. A person cannot call the police over 46 times within a short period and not face a punishment unless said person is a police officer(law enforcement, agent, government respresentive and the like)

2. One cannot batter an officer(face no time, and then purchase a deadly weapon) without some shady undertakings

3. A neighborhood watchmen cannot carry a gun while on duty

4. It is not legal to follow, stalk, and chase anyone(Zimmerman said he was following Trayvon around unprovoked in a car and then on foot)

5. Once a person ignores a 911 dispatcher, they stand fully accountable for all actions that happens after said event

6. One can not use the stand your ground law or self-defense law after following, stalking, or chasing someone. (Zimmerman lost any self-defense claim when he said , 'Yes', he was following the teenager.

Zimmerman is guily of first degree or second degree murder based on these situations.

A victim(person has the right to either use their flight or fight options when a REAL threat is encounter)

1. Trayvon first used the flight method (on Zimmerman's on 911 tapes he indicates that he was following said teenager around in a car (with a loaded gun) and that said teenager started to run and he got out to chase

2. Teenagers have no legal obligation to talk to strangers who are not law enforcement(in fact it is taught they should run, or resent while screaming loudly)

3. Said teenager had multiple grounds in which he could legally use to jestify attacking Zimmerman.

A. If Zimmerson was beaten to death by this kid, then Trayon still would have been within his rights, as he was followed, stalked, and chased with a deadly weapon.

B. If they got into a fight and and no one died, Zimmerman would be guilty but of a bunch of lesser chargers.

C. If Zimmerson followed, and stalked, this teenager around and killed him while he had the upper-hand in this fight it is 1st degree murder.

D. If Zimmerson was losing said fight(and had a MAJOR LIFE THREATENING INJURY WHILE SAID PERSON used their fight to flight and then fight, he is still guilty of 2nd degree murder no less)
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I just read on ABC news that Trayvon Martin made his own call to 911 moments prior to the shooting. The DOJ is digging up his call from the dispatch center. Zimmerman may get roasted with that tape, then again hopefully they roast him anyways.

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Towards the end of the video.
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Roast him for what? Defending his neighborhood from a little proto-gangbanger? I don't think so. You're a racist. Yes, you are most certainly are racist.

You are another black, half-black, or liberal that thinks that black men do nothing wrong, that they are always framed! Well, I hate to tell you loser. Blacks commit three times the crime as White people, even when the numbers are played with to try to obscure this fact.

90% of the non-acquaintance rapes in the USA are black men attacking White women. Just the facts via the liberal DOJs VICAP!
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HOly shit you are so hilariously naive and racist.

I love how the most racist posters do not even understand what the term means. Hilarious.
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Where is the evidence? Don't hedge. Show me the evidence. Bear in mind that I have read most of the documents related to the case and have listened to all the 911 calls made.

As for the 'coon' remark, not my concern. There is no evidence to support that at this stage. I've made it clear since the start that my concern is the blatant abuse of power and the cover up.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


Blatant abuse of power is bullshit. Over zealous certainly. He was a neighborhood watchman and this was private property. Private is not like public property. Don't like the rules? move. Doesn't give Tayvon the right to assault him
 Quoting: whitemike761


Look, stop hedging. Show me the proof. You've been going on and on, but have yet to show the proof of this eyewitness. I don't want to repeat everything over and over again for you. I have listed down the facts of the case, facts that are publicly available. Show me your proof, and I will gladly apologize. Or have the decency to apologize to me.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


a link about that was posted on the first page of this thread and I just posted a video on this page about the 'imaginary' eyewitness.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Your video is not proof. The Sanford PD, the State attorney, the FBI, the victim's family all has no record of any eyewitness. None.
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1. During the initial call, Zimmerman reports that Martin is running away. There was no reason on earth to pursue him at that point. The police were on their way. That should have ended the encounter.
But if we are to presume to characterize Zimmerman (in the same way that a presumption has been made about Martin), then it can be presumed that Zimmerman was "up to no good" just by the very fact that he followed Martin after reporting his presence in the neighborhood to the police.
 Quoting: Lurker 6356307

Pursuing a suspected burglar meant Zimmerman was up to no good? Interesting interpretation...
 Quoting: Aetius


It was not Zimmerman's job to pursue. He had no authority whatsoever to pursue. The police had been called. His duty as a "watchman" was done.
But Zimmerman, as abundantly evident by his 911 call, had already made his judgment. And it *seems* that he was hell-bent on not only being the judge, but also the executioner in this case. But I'll wait for the court to decide that before I believe that as fact. IF it gets to court, that is.
 Quoting: Lurker 6356307


It won't because the facts speak otherwise.

It's OJ Simpson in reverse however, and I'm sure the black community will use this as an excuse to amplify their HATE, and riot and kill and steal. They've been on a roll since Obummer took office. Why stop now?
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Many of you don't understand how legal matters work. Zimmerman is guilty on more than one count no matter how you cut it. It doesn't matter if it was infact Zimmerman who was screaming..he is still guilty.. Let me break it down for you....

1. A person cannot call the police over 46 times within a short period and not face a punishment unless said person is a police officer(law enforcement, agent, government respresentive and the like)

2. One cannot batter an officer(face no time, and then purchase a deadly weapon) without some shady undertakings

3. A neighborhood watchmen cannot carry a gun while on duty

4. It is not legal to follow, stalk, and chase anyone(Zimmerman said he was following Trayvon around unprovoked in a car and then on foot)

5. Once a person ignores a 911 dispatcher, they stand fully accountable for all actions that happens after said event

6. One can not use the stand your ground law or self-defense law after following, stalking, or chasing someone. (Zimmerman lost any self-defense claim when he said , 'Yes', he was following the teenager.

Zimmerman is guily of first degree or second degree murder based on these situations.

A victim(person has the right to either use their flight or fight options when a REAL threat is encounter)

1. Trayvon first used the flight method (on Zimmerman's on 911 tapes he indicates that he was following said teenager around in a car (with a loaded gun) and that said teenager started to run and he got out to chase

2. Teenagers have no legal obligation to talk to strangers who are not law enforcement(in fact it is taught they should run, or resent while screaming loudly)

3. Said teenager had multiple grounds in which he could legally use to jestify attacking Zimmerman.

A. If Zimmerson was beaten to death by this kid, then Trayon still would have been within his rights, as he was followed, stalked, and chased with a deadly weapon.

B. If they got into a fight and and no one died, Zimmerman would be guilty but of a bunch of lesser chargers.

C. If Zimmerson followed, and stalked, this teenager around and killed him while he had the upper-hand in this fight it is 1st degree murder.

D. If Zimmerson was losing said fight(and had a MAJOR LIFE THREATENING INJURY WHILE SAID PERSON used their fight to flight and then fight, he is still guilty of 2nd degree murder no less)
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Excellent post!
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If Treyvon called 91 before being murdered then Zimmerman is toast. If it was a known fact prior to today that Treyvon Martin called 911 before being mudrered then the entire city of Sabford is toast.
 Quoting: ac 1053923


I don't see why.
Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and had him flat on his back and bloodied.


And meanwhile, dozens and dozens of innocent whites have lost their lives to black criminals, lots of them wearing hoodies.
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Let's see the facts to back this up?

So it's open season on Blacks waring hoodies?

Charles Manson has a beard, I have a Beard, if I walk past ya house are ya going to shot me?

He shot and killed an unarmed man, that warrants an actual trial by jury. The Public deserve to know the Facts, not I think, or I heard it was so.

Get the so called witnesses on the stand, and swear them in on the Good Book, then we'll see the truth.

If the shooter acted in self defense, he will be cleared and the actual facts will be out.

This is about killing an unarmed man, if he had a weapon, that's another story. Let this go unchecked and it's open season on stranger on the wrong street.

I fully support Gun rights, this is not about Guns, it's about the rights of any of us not to be shot for walking down the road.

If the Police had shot this kid, unarmed, all hell would be breaking lose.

Ya just don't shoot an unarmed man.
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It was not Zimmerman's job to pursue. He had no authority whatsoever to pursue. The police had been called. His duty as a "watchman" was done.
But Zimmerman, as abundantly evident by his 911 call, had already made his judgment. And it *seems* that he was hell-bent on not only being the judge, but also the executioner in this case. But I'll wait for the court to decide that before I believe that as fact. IF it gets to court, that is.
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None of it was his "job". He was there to ensure that whomever had perpetrated the recent rash of burglaries and home invasions was caught, so that they did not extend their unwanted attentions to his home. The police had repeatedly failed to capture the perp. He pursued because he wanted to point the suspect out to the cops. The cops took 6 minutes to arrive. In that 6 minutes, the suspect could be miles away.
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Blatant abuse of power is bullshit. Over zealous certainly. He was a neighborhood watchman and this was private property. Private is not like public property. Don't like the rules? move. Doesn't give Tayvon the right to assault him
 Quoting: whitemike761


Look, stop hedging. Show me the proof. You've been going on and on, but have yet to show the proof of this eyewitness. I don't want to repeat everything over and over again for you. I have listed down the facts of the case, facts that are publicly available. Show me your proof, and I will gladly apologize. Or have the decency to apologize to me.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


a link about that was posted on the first page of this thread and I just posted a video on this page about the 'imaginary' eyewitness.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Your video is not proof. The Sanford PD, the State attorney, the FBI, the victim's family all has no record of any eyewitness. None.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


JUST PLAIN WRONG.

YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT EVIDENCE THEY HAVE.

THE REST OF US HAVE SEEN AND HEARD ALL WE NEED TO AT THIS POINT.

WE WILL WATCH AS THE OTHER ITEMS COME OUT AND AS THEY SERVE TO REINFORCE THE EXISTING FACTS AND TESTIMONY IN SUPPORT OF ZIMMERMAN.

JUST WAIT UNTIL THE TOX SCREEN ON MARTIN IS RELEASED. WOW! WHAT AN EYE OPENER THAT WILL BE!

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