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Trayvon Martin called 911 himself before the shooting! Juicy

 
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Blatant abuse of power is bullshit. Over zealous certainly. He was a neighborhood watchman and this was private property. Private is not like public property. Don't like the rules? move. Doesn't give Tayvon the right to assault him
 Quoting: whitemike761


Look, stop hedging. Show me the proof. You've been going on and on, but have yet to show the proof of this eyewitness. I don't want to repeat everything over and over again for you. I have listed down the facts of the case, facts that are publicly available. Show me your proof, and I will gladly apologize. Or have the decency to apologize to me.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


a link about that was posted on the first page of this thread and I just posted a video on this page about the 'imaginary' eyewitness.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Your video is not proof. The Sanford PD, the State attorney, the FBI, the victim's family all has no record of any eyewitness. None.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


it was made the day after the incident and someone has already provided the link about it on the first page. What I find hard to believe is that no-one has brought it to your attention (e.g. provided 'proof' see last post on first page) 7 pages into the thread.

You really should actually watch the video

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Zimmerman is not protected under the law, he should have been arrested.
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Why would he be arrested for shooting someone who was trying to beat him to death by slamming his head against the pavement?
 Quoting: Aetius


so by that argument, if Ronald Goldman had been beating OJ's ass for a few moments before OJ was able to stab him then OJ also should not have been arrested.
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Re: Trayvon Martin called 911 himself before the shooting! Juicy
Many of you don't understand how legal matters work. Zimmerman is guilty on more than one count no matter how you cut it. It doesn't matter if it was infact Zimmerman who was screaming..he is still guilty.. Let me break it down for you....

1. A person cannot call the police over 46 times within a short period and not face a punishment unless said person is a police officer(law enforcement, agent, government respresentive and the like)

2. One cannot batter an officer(face no time, and then purchase a deadly weapon) without some shady undertakings

3. A neighborhood watchmen cannot carry a gun while on duty

4. It is not legal to follow, stalk, and chase anyone(Zimmerman said he was following Trayvon around unprovoked in a car and then on foot)

5. Once a person ignores a 911 dispatcher, they stand fully accountable for all actions that happens after said event

6. One can not use the stand your ground law or self-defense law after following, stalking, or chasing someone. (Zimmerman lost any self-defense claim when he said , 'Yes', he was following the teenager.

Zimmerman is guily of first degree or second degree murder based on these situations.

A victim(person has the right to either use their flight or fight options when a REAL threat is encounter)

1. Trayvon first used the flight method (on Zimmerman's on 911 tapes he indicates that he was following said teenager around in a car (with a loaded gun) and that said teenager started to run and he got out to chase

2. Teenagers have no legal obligation to talk to strangers who are not law enforcement(in fact it is taught they should run, or resent while screaming loudly)

3. Said teenager had multiple grounds in which he could legally use to jestify attacking Zimmerman.

A. If Zimmerson was beaten to death by this kid, then Trayon still would have been within his rights, as he was followed, stalked, and chased with a deadly weapon.

B. If they got into a fight and and no one died, Zimmerman would be guilty but of a bunch of lesser chargers.

C. If Zimmerson followed, and stalked, this teenager around and killed him while he had the upper-hand in this fight it is 1st degree murder.

D. If Zimmerson was losing said fight(and had a MAJOR LIFE THREATENING INJURY WHILE SAID PERSON used their fight to flight and then fight, he is still guilty of 2nd degree murder no less)
 Quoting: FutureKnowledge


Excellent post!
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


#1. You can call the police anytime you want. Maybe in Malaysia you have a 3 cop call limit. But not here.
#2. As much as you do not like it he does technically constitute law enforcement. This is private property
#3 What multiply grounds? Don't like someone asking why you are there? That justifies a punch in the mouth. Maybe in Malaysia
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1. During the initial call, Zimmerman reports that Martin is running away. There was no reason on earth to pursue him at that point. The police were on their way. That should have ended the encounter.
But if we are to presume to characterize Zimmerman (in the same way that a presumption has been made about Martin), then it can be presumed that Zimmerman was "up to no good" just by the very fact that he followed Martin after reporting his presence in the neighborhood to the police.
 Quoting: Lurker 6356307

Pursuing a suspected burglar meant Zimmerman was up to no good? Interesting interpretation...
 Quoting: Aetius


It was not Zimmerman's job to pursue. He had no authority whatsoever to pursue. The police had been called. His duty as a "watchman" was done.
But Zimmerman, as abundantly evident by his 911 call, had already made his judgment. And it *seems* that he was hell-bent on not only being the judge, but also the executioner in this case. But I'll wait for the court to decide that before I believe that as fact. IF it gets to court, that is.
 Quoting: Lurker 6356307


It won't because the facts speak otherwise.

It's OJ Simpson in reverse however, and I'm sure the black community will use this as an excuse to amplify their HATE, and riot and kill and steal. They've been on a roll since Obummer took office. Why stop now?
 Quoting: Nemamiah


You may soothe yourself with your perception of your very own reality if you'd like.
And ... ummm ... I suppose you don't think that judging an entire race to be people who "hate, and riot and kill and steal ..." is racist, do you?
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Many of you don't understand how legal matters work. Zimmerman is guilty on more than one count no matter how you cut it. It doesn't matter if it was infact Zimmerman who was screaming..he is still guilty.. Let me break it down for you....

1. A person cannot call the police over 46 times within a short period and not face a punishment unless said person is a police officer(law enforcement, agent, government respresentive and the like)

2. One cannot batter an officer(face no time, and then purchase a deadly weapon) without some shady undertakings

3. A neighborhood watchmen cannot carry a gun while on duty

4. It is not legal to follow, stalk, and chase anyone(Zimmerman said he was following Trayvon around unprovoked in a car and then on foot)

5. Once a person ignores a 911 dispatcher, they stand fully accountable for all actions that happens after said event

6. One can not use the stand your ground law or self-defense law after following, stalking, or chasing someone. (Zimmerman lost any self-defense claim when he said , 'Yes', he was following the teenager.

Zimmerman is guily of first degree or second degree murder based on these situations.

A victim(person has the right to either use their flight or fight options when a REAL threat is encounter)

1. Trayvon first used the flight method (on Zimmerman's on 911 tapes he indicates that he was following said teenager around in a car (with a loaded gun) and that said teenager started to run and he got out to chase

2. Teenagers have no legal obligation to talk to strangers who are not law enforcement(in fact it is taught they should run, or resent while screaming loudly)

3. Said teenager had multiple grounds in which he could legally use to jestify attacking Zimmerman.

A. If Zimmerson was beaten to death by this kid, then Trayon still would have been within his rights, as he was followed, stalked, and chased with a deadly weapon.

B. If they got into a fight and and no one died, Zimmerman would be guilty but of a bunch of lesser chargers.

C. If Zimmerson followed, and stalked, this teenager around and killed him while he had the upper-hand in this fight it is 1st degree murder.

D. If Zimmerson was losing said fight(and had a MAJOR LIFE THREATENING INJURY WHILE SAID PERSON used their fight to flight and then fight, he is still guilty of 2nd degree murder no less)
 Quoting: FutureKnowledge


** SIGH ** (Another Legal **expert** weighing in on somethin way above his IQ level)

1. A person may call 911 as many times as they feel necessary. If police believe the calls were of a deliberately false nature, they would file charges against him.

** Please show me FL State statute backing up your claim

2. Who battered an officer? (a 2nd degree felony)? Zimmerman has no criminal history of assault on a law enforcement officer.

** Please provide a link or other verifiable information supporting your claim in #2

3. Anyone can carry a gun ANYWHERE if they are issued a valid Concealed Carry Permit in the state in which they are (or through reciprocity).

** Please provide a link to the FL State statute that shows "A neighborhood watchmen cannot carry a gun while on duty"


The rest of your post is so full of errors that have already been discussed and disproved that it's not worth the time repeating it.

PLEASE READ OTHERS POSTS BEFORE YOU MAKE STATEMENTS.

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Look, stop hedging. Show me the proof. You've been going on and on, but have yet to show the proof of this eyewitness. I don't want to repeat everything over and over again for you. I have listed down the facts of the case, facts that are publicly available. Show me your proof, and I will gladly apologize. Or have the decency to apologize to me.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


a link about that was posted on the first page of this thread and I just posted a video on this page about the 'imaginary' eyewitness.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Your video is not proof. The Sanford PD, the State attorney, the FBI, the victim's family all has no record of any eyewitness. None.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


JUST PLAIN WRONG.

YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT EVIDENCE THEY HAVE.

THE REST OF US HAVE SEEN AND HEARD ALL WE NEED TO AT THIS POINT.

WE WILL WATCH AS THE OTHER ITEMS COME OUT AND AS THEY SERVE TO REINFORCE THE EXISTING FACTS AND TESTIMONY IN SUPPORT OF ZIMMERMAN.

JUST WAIT UNTIL THE TOX SCREEN ON MARTIN IS RELEASED. WOW! WHAT AN EYE OPENER THAT WILL BE!
 Quoting: Nemamiah


Just plain wrong, huh? Just wait, huh?
Just ignore all the facts available to the public from the PD, from the family, from the lawyers.. Instead, just concentrate on unconfirmed and made up stories. Right?

For the record, no one has been able to dispute any of the publicly available evidence, nor have they been able to explain why their star 'eyewitness' is not known to anyone involved in the case. But these bigoted morons are fully prepared to support the murderer of a 17 year old boy who had a pack of Skittles and a can of ice tea next to his dead body, purchased at a convenience store minutes before his death, who only minutes earlier was on the phone with his girlfriend while walking back home.
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It was not Zimmerman's job to pursue. He had no authority whatsoever to pursue. The police had been called. His duty as a "watchman" was done.
But Zimmerman, as abundantly evident by his 911 call, had already made his judgment. And it *seems* that he was hell-bent on not only being the judge, but also the executioner in this case. But I'll wait for the court to decide that before I believe that as fact. IF it gets to court, that is.
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None of it was his "job". He was there to ensure that whomever had perpetrated the recent rash of burglaries and home invasions was caught, so that they did not extend their unwanted attentions to his home. The police had repeatedly failed to capture the perp. He pursued because he wanted to point the suspect out to the cops. The cops took 6 minutes to arrive. In that 6 minutes, the suspect could be miles away.
 Quoting: Aetius


He had ever right to fallow, it comes down to whom confronted whom and was deadly force warned.

The police muffed this from the start, the investigation. This should have gone to a grand jury, to see if charges were warned.

6 minutes is a good response time, that's how things go. Asking beat cops to do too much. If this neighborhood had an actual beat cop, this kid would still be alive.
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Many of you don't understand how legal matters work. Zimmerman is guilty on more than one count no matter how you cut it. It doesn't matter if it was infact Zimmerman who was screaming..he is still guilty.. Let me break it down for you....

1. A person cannot call the police over 46 times within a short period and not face a punishment unless said person is a police officer(law enforcement, agent, government respresentive and the like)

2. One cannot batter an officer(face no time, and then purchase a deadly weapon) without some shady undertakings

3. A neighborhood watchmen cannot carry a gun while on duty

4. It is not legal to follow, stalk, and chase anyone(Zimmerman said he was following Trayvon around unprovoked in a car and then on foot)

5. Once a person ignores a 911 dispatcher, they stand fully accountable for all actions that happens after said event

6. One can not use the stand your ground law or self-defense law after following, stalking, or chasing someone. (Zimmerman lost any self-defense claim when he said , 'Yes', he was following the teenager.

Zimmerman is guily of first degree or second degree murder based on these situations.

A victim(person has the right to either use their flight or fight options when a REAL threat is encounter)

1. Trayvon first used the flight method (on Zimmerman's on 911 tapes he indicates that he was following said teenager around in a car (with a loaded gun) and that said teenager started to run and he got out to chase

2. Teenagers have no legal obligation to talk to strangers who are not law enforcement(in fact it is taught they should run, or resent while screaming loudly)

3. Said teenager had multiple grounds in which he could legally use to jestify attacking Zimmerman.

A. If Zimmerson was beaten to death by this kid, then Trayon still would have been within his rights, as he was followed, stalked, and chased with a deadly weapon.

B. If they got into a fight and and no one died, Zimmerman would be guilty but of a bunch of lesser chargers.

C. If Zimmerson followed, and stalked, this teenager around and killed him while he had the upper-hand in this fight it is 1st degree murder.

D. If Zimmerson was losing said fight(and had a MAJOR LIFE THREATENING INJURY WHILE SAID PERSON used their fight to flight and then fight, he is still guilty of 2nd degree murder no less)
 Quoting: FutureKnowledge


Thanks for taking the time and trouble to list the legalities in this issue. I sorta figured as much, but it's helpful to see it written out in a list.
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Look, stop hedging. Show me the proof. You've been going on and on, but have yet to show the proof of this eyewitness. I don't want to repeat everything over and over again for you. I have listed down the facts of the case, facts that are publicly available. Show me your proof, and I will gladly apologize. Or have the decency to apologize to me.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


a link about that was posted on the first page of this thread and I just posted a video on this page about the 'imaginary' eyewitness.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Your video is not proof. The Sanford PD, the State attorney, the FBI, the victim's family all has no record of any eyewitness. None.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


it was made the day after the incident and someone has already provided the link about it on the first page. What I find hard to believe is that no-one has brought it to your attention (e.g. provided 'proof' see last post on first page) 7 pages into the thread.

You really should actually watch the video
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What I find hard to believe is that no one from the Sanford PD, the State attorney, the FBI, the victim's family all has a record of any eyewitness. You really should look at the facts.
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1. A person cannot call the police over 46 times within a short period and not face a punishment unless said person is a police officer(law enforcement, agent, government respresentive and the like)
 Quoting: FutureKnowledge

He called as a Neighborhood Watch person over a period of 9 years, starting in 2004. (Every one of those calls is logged in a PDF at the Sanford website link). That's what they do - watch for problems and report to the police. I don't have enough time to rip apart the rest of your unfounded assertions, but I have to admit to a grudging admiration for the way in which you blithely made a whole bunch of statements that are factually wrong without skipping a beat.
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Can you please stop trolling? You do not agree with me, so you attempted to paint me as a Malaysian extremist, without for a moment considering that there are millions of Americans living and working all over the the world. Instead of just backing off, you just go on and on with this nonsense. So, please, stop it.
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I have traveled around the world for work and leisure, including to Malaysia, and never have I either used the word "nick", except in reference to a chip in my car's paint job, or identified myself in a forum by picking a foreign flag. I must say, though, that even for a Malaysian, your American is pretty good.
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a link about that was posted on the first page of this thread and I just posted a video on this page about the 'imaginary' eyewitness.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Your video is not proof. The Sanford PD, the State attorney, the FBI, the victim's family all has no record of any eyewitness. None.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


it was made the day after the incident and someone has already provided the link about it on the first page. What I find hard to believe is that no-one has brought it to your attention (e.g. provided 'proof' see last post on first page) 7 pages into the thread.

You really should actually watch the video
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


What I find hard to believe is that no one from the Sanford PD, the State attorney, the FBI, the victim's family all has a record of any eyewitness. You really should look at the facts.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


here is that article from the first page

[link to www.myfoxtampabay.com]


quote from the article:

[...]What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.

The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.
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Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."

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I'm thinking this whole thing got twisted out of content and truth because Zimmerman used a racial slur when he called the Non-emergency number to report Martin as a suspicious person and he was following him.
Zimmerman was told not to follow by the dispatcher.
From what we can gleen from the information we are given is...the 911 call with the "screams" on it was from the witness and not from Zimmerman or Martin.
It seems Martin may well have jumped Zimmerman from behind s he was headed back to his car.
Zimmerman does have injuries and other forensic evidence to show he was at least in some sort of fight.
Now the key evidence that will show if this is self defense, murder or manslaughter will be the ballistic results.
If Martin has little or no gun powder residue on him that would suggest he was shot from a few feet away.
If there is a lot of residue and the pattern is is tight that would show he was shot right up close and more or less back up Zimmerman's claim.
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Many of you don't understand how legal matters work. Zimmerman is guilty on more than one count no matter how you cut it. It doesn't matter if it was infact Zimmerman who was screaming..he is still guilty.. Let me break it down for you....

1. A person cannot call the police over 46 times within a short period and not face a punishment unless said person is a police officer(law enforcement, agent, government respresentive and the like)

2. One cannot batter an officer(face no time, and then purchase a deadly weapon) without some shady undertakings

3. A neighborhood watchmen cannot carry a gun while on duty

4. It is not legal to follow, stalk, and chase anyone(Zimmerman said he was following Trayvon around unprovoked in a car and then on foot)

5. Once a person ignores a 911 dispatcher, they stand fully accountable for all actions that happens after said event

6. One can not use the stand your ground law or self-defense law after following, stalking, or chasing someone. (Zimmerman lost any self-defense claim when he said , 'Yes', he was following the teenager.

Zimmerman is guily of first degree or second degree murder based on these situations.

A victim(person has the right to either use their flight or fight options when a REAL threat is encounter)

1. Trayvon first used the flight method (on Zimmerman's on 911 tapes he indicates that he was following said teenager around in a car (with a loaded gun) and that said teenager started to run and he got out to chase

2. Teenagers have no legal obligation to talk to strangers who are not law enforcement(in fact it is taught they should run, or resent while screaming loudly)

3. Said teenager had multiple grounds in which he could legally use to jestify attacking Zimmerman.

A. If Zimmerson was beaten to death by this kid, then Trayon still would have been within his rights, as he was followed, stalked, and chased with a deadly weapon.

B. If they got into a fight and and no one died, Zimmerman would be guilty but of a bunch of lesser chargers.

C. If Zimmerson followed, and stalked, this teenager around and killed him while he had the upper-hand in this fight it is 1st degree murder.

D. If Zimmerson was losing said fight(and had a MAJOR LIFE THREATENING INJURY WHILE SAID PERSON used their fight to flight and then fight, he is still guilty of 2nd degree murder no less)
 Quoting: FutureKnowledge


Thanks for taking the time and trouble to list the legalities in this issue. I sorta figured as much, but it's helpful to see it written out in a list.
 Quoting: Lurker 6356307


Um.. this list you are thankful for is 99.9994% inaccurate, and most of which can be immediately proven so by a quick (or not so quick) search of FL State statutes.

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a link about that was posted on the first page of this thread and I just posted a video on this page about the 'imaginary' eyewitness.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Your video is not proof. The Sanford PD, the State attorney, the FBI, the victim's family all has no record of any eyewitness. None.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


JUST PLAIN WRONG.

YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT EVIDENCE THEY HAVE.

THE REST OF US HAVE SEEN AND HEARD ALL WE NEED TO AT THIS POINT.

WE WILL WATCH AS THE OTHER ITEMS COME OUT AND AS THEY SERVE TO REINFORCE THE EXISTING FACTS AND TESTIMONY IN SUPPORT OF ZIMMERMAN.

JUST WAIT UNTIL THE TOX SCREEN ON MARTIN IS RELEASED. WOW! WHAT AN EYE OPENER THAT WILL BE!
 Quoting: Nemamiah


Just plain wrong, huh? Just wait, huh?
Just ignore all the facts available to the public from the PD, from the family, from the lawyers.. Instead, just concentrate on unconfirmed and made up stories. Right?

For the record, no one has been able to dispute any of the publicly available evidence, nor have they been able to explain why their star 'eyewitness' is not known to anyone involved in the case. But these bigoted morons are fully prepared to support the murderer of a 17 year old boy who had a pack of Skittles and a can of ice tea next to his dead body, purchased at a convenience store minutes before his death, who only minutes earlier was on the phone with his girlfriend while walking back home.
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This star witness has been there since the night of the shooting. You didn't see him on CNN? Then he must not exist? You watch 2 attention whores telling you what they "heard". Don't you know? Snitches get stitches! I would avoid the media also, that doesn't dispute the legitamicy of his claim, And yes, all the mentioned agencies know about this witness! Why do you think he was never charged? Fuck everyone of you who thinks they can try this man in a court of public opinion, based on facts from CNN and justify that.
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Many of you don't understand how legal matters work. Zimmerman is guilty on more than one count no matter how you cut it. It doesn't matter if it was infact Zimmerman who was screaming..he is still guilty.. Let me break it down for you....

1. A person cannot call the police over 46 times within a short period and not face a punishment unless said person is a police officer(law enforcement, agent, government respresentive and the like)

2. One cannot batter an officer(face no time, and then purchase a deadly weapon) without some shady undertakings

3. A neighborhood watchmen cannot carry a gun while on duty

4. It is not legal to follow, stalk, and chase anyone(Zimmerman said he was following Trayvon around unprovoked in a car and then on foot)

5. Once a person ignores a 911 dispatcher, they stand fully accountable for all actions that happens after said event

6. One can not use the stand your ground law or self-defense law after following, stalking, or chasing someone. (Zimmerman lost any self-defense claim when he said , 'Yes', he was following the teenager.

Zimmerman is guily of first degree or second degree murder based on these situations.

A victim(person has the right to either use their flight or fight options when a REAL threat is encounter)

1. Trayvon first used the flight method (on Zimmerman's on 911 tapes he indicates that he was following said teenager around in a car (with a loaded gun) and that said teenager started to run and he got out to chase

2. Teenagers have no legal obligation to talk to strangers who are not law enforcement(in fact it is taught they should run, or resent while screaming loudly)

3. Said teenager had multiple grounds in which he could legally use to jestify attacking Zimmerman.

A. If Zimmerson was beaten to death by this kid, then Trayon still would have been within his rights, as he was followed, stalked, and chased with a deadly weapon.

B. If they got into a fight and and no one died, Zimmerman would be guilty but of a bunch of lesser chargers.

C. If Zimmerson followed, and stalked, this teenager around and killed him while he had the upper-hand in this fight it is 1st degree murder.

D. If Zimmerson was losing said fight(and had a MAJOR LIFE THREATENING INJURY WHILE SAID PERSON used their fight to flight and then fight, he is still guilty of 2nd degree murder no less)
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Excellent post!
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


#1. You can call the police anytime you want. Maybe in Malaysia you have a 3 cop call limit. But not here.
#2. As much as you do not like it he does technically constitute law enforcement. This is private property
#3 What multiply grounds? Don't like someone asking why you are there? That justifies a punch in the mouth. Maybe in Malaysia
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Whitemike, you still have not provided any evidence of your imaginary eyewitness. You also have failed to apologize to me, and have clearly decided to evade the issue.

On top of that, you also just displayed your inability to read. I did not write the post above. But for the record, as an American, I know that multiple calls to 911 without a valid reason can be construed as harassment and you can be arrested for that.

Furthermore, he is not 'LAW ENFORCEMENT'. Not technically, not mathematically, not historically. His neighborhood watch isn't even an official one. Plus, his actions broke so many rules, he could've been arrested if the murder did not take place.

Your ignorance is shocking.
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Who cares he would have grown up to be a gang banger anyway
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It was not Zimmerman's job to pursue. He had no authority whatsoever to pursue. The police had been called. His duty as a "watchman" was done.
But Zimmerman, as abundantly evident by his 911 call, had already made his judgment. And it *seems* that he was hell-bent on not only being the judge, but also the executioner in this case. But I'll wait for the court to decide that before I believe that as fact. IF it gets to court, that is.
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None of it was his "job". He was there to ensure that whomever had perpetrated the recent rash of burglaries and home invasions was caught, so that they did not extend their unwanted attentions to his home. The police had repeatedly failed to capture the perp. He pursued because he wanted to point the suspect out to the cops. The cops took 6 minutes to arrive. In that 6 minutes, the suspect could be miles away.
 Quoting: Aetius


Damn straight, it wasn't his job.
His intention of protecting the neighborhood in any legal, appropriate, and sensible way was accomplished when he called the police.
To pursue Martin was, in effect, stalking a private citizen who was well within his rights to walk home from the store.
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None of us know what really happened, but one thing is clear, it should be for a jury to decide.

Zimmerman is not protected under the law, he should have been arrested.
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Arrested for what?
He committed no crime.

Thank God the right person got shot this time.
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Many of you don't understand how legal matters work. Zimmerman is guilty on more than one count no matter how you cut it. It doesn't matter if it was infact Zimmerman who was screaming..he is still guilty.. Let me break it down for you....

1. A person cannot call the police over 46 times within a short period and not face a punishment unless said person is a police officer(law enforcement, agent, government respresentive and the like)

2. One cannot batter an officer(face no time, and then purchase a deadly weapon) without some shady undertakings

3. A neighborhood watchmen cannot carry a gun while on duty

4. It is not legal to follow, stalk, and chase anyone(Zimmerman said he was following Trayvon around unprovoked in a car and then on foot)

5. Once a person ignores a 911 dispatcher, they stand fully accountable for all actions that happens after said event

6. One can not use the stand your ground law or self-defense law after following, stalking, or chasing someone. (Zimmerman lost any self-defense claim when he said , 'Yes', he was following the teenager.

Zimmerman is guily of first degree or second degree murder based on these situations.

A victim(person has the right to either use their flight or fight options when a REAL threat is encounter)

1. Trayvon first used the flight method (on Zimmerman's on 911 tapes he indicates that he was following said teenager around in a car (with a loaded gun) and that said teenager started to run and he got out to chase

2. Teenagers have no legal obligation to talk to strangers who are not law enforcement(in fact it is taught they should run, or resent while screaming loudly)

3. Said teenager had multiple grounds in which he could legally use to jestify attacking Zimmerman.

A. If Zimmerson was beaten to death by this kid, then Trayon still would have been within his rights, as he was followed, stalked, and chased with a deadly weapon.

B. If they got into a fight and and no one died, Zimmerman would be guilty but of a bunch of lesser chargers.

C. If Zimmerson followed, and stalked, this teenager around and killed him while he had the upper-hand in this fight it is 1st degree murder.

D. If Zimmerson was losing said fight(and had a MAJOR LIFE THREATENING INJURY WHILE SAID PERSON used their fight to flight and then fight, he is still guilty of 2nd degree murder no less)
 Quoting: FutureKnowledge


Thanks for taking the time and trouble to list the legalities in this issue. I sorta figured as much, but it's helpful to see it written out in a list.
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Legalities? Nothing he posted above is true in the United States. Maybe that's how he believes things should work, maybe that's how things do work in the country he's from or maybe he's just completely making stuff up. There is not a speck of truth to any of these bullet points in the US.
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I'm thinking this whole thing got twisted out of content and truth because Zimmerman used a racial slur when he called the Non-emergency number to report Martin as a suspicious person and he was following him.
Zimmerman was told not to follow by the dispatcher.
From what we can gleen from the information we are given is...the 911 call with the "screams" on it was from the witness and not from Zimmerman or Martin.
It seems Martin may well have jumped Zimmerman from behind s he was headed back to his car.
Zimmerman does have injuries and other forensic evidence to show he was at least in some sort of fight.
Now the key evidence that will show if this is self defense, murder or manslaughter will be the ballistic results.
If Martin has little or no gun powder residue on him that would suggest he was shot from a few feet away.
If there is a lot of residue and the pattern is is tight that would show he was shot right up close and more or less back up Zimmerman's claim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 899040


OK, where is the tape that states Zimmerman useing a racial slur? The edited version on Anderson Cooper? There is a link on this thread to all 8 911 tapes concerning this case. Find it, listen to it,then STFU
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Glp white people - get out from in front of the computer and get to know the people who live in your world or you'll one day be another Zimmerman....
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I'll admit it.

I'm terrified of Black people. But only the ones who make it a point to let me KNOW they are Black and somehow a different kind of American than I am.

I have some friends who happen to be black. An Uncle who happens to be black. Some acquaintances who happen to be black. But when a person goes out of their way to make it a point (like it's supposed to matter or something), people like that have a serious problem.

My sister is a dance instructor. She teaches Hip Hop and has a lot of students who happen to be black. They are incredible kids and fantastic dancers who will someday go on to make a good living doing what they love - dancing. These kids and their parents don't give a rip what color I am or where I live or what I wear. They think it's hilarious that my sister "has the groove" but I trip over my own feet :)

So with this in mind, who ARE these Americans who insist on making color an issue? Why is this so damned important? I feel threatened when someone shoves their religion, their color, or their culture in my face as if I should be ashamed because I don't share it. How, exactly, is that my fault?

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** SIGH ** (Another Legal **expert** weighing in on somethin way above his IQ level)
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Actually, I think the guy thinks he's dealing with a bunch of inbreds, and if he throws out enough manure, these inbreds will confuse the manure for spun gold. I don't understand the condescension. Where does he get off?
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Can you please stop trolling? You do not agree with me, so you attempted to paint me as a Malaysian extremist, without for a moment considering that there are millions of Americans living and working all over the the world. Instead of just backing off, you just go on and on with this nonsense. So, please, stop it.
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I have traveled around the world for work and leisure, including to Malaysia, and never have I either used the word "nick", except in reference to a chip in my car's paint job, or identified myself in a forum by picking a foreign flag. I must say, though, that even for a Malaysian, your American is pretty good.
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I seriously doubt you've traveled anywhere. Your posts in GLP betrays your narrow mindedness. As for the flag, it is automatic. And for the record, there is no 'American' language. Now, please, stop trolling. You are neither funny, insightful or interesting.
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I'm thinking this whole thing got twisted out of content and truth because Zimmerman used a racial slur when he called the Non-emergency number to report Martin as a suspicious person and he was following him.
Zimmerman was told not to follow by the dispatcher.
From what we can gleen from the information we are given is...the 911 call with the "screams" on it was from the witness and not from Zimmerman or Martin.
It seems Martin may well have jumped Zimmerman from behind s he was headed back to his car.
Zimmerman does have injuries and other forensic evidence to show he was at least in some sort of fight.
Now the key evidence that will show if this is self defense, murder or manslaughter will be the ballistic results.
If Martin has little or no gun powder residue on him that would suggest he was shot from a few feet away.
If there is a lot of residue and the pattern is is tight that would show he was shot right up close and more or less back up Zimmerman's claim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 899040


OK, where is the tape that states Zimmerman useing a racial slur? The edited version on Anderson Cooper? There is a link on this thread to all 8 911 tapes concerning this case. Find it, listen to it,then STFU
 Quoting: whitemike761


I didn't hear the slur when it was aired on TV the first time, but just now when I listened to the 911 calls via the link on this thread, I heard the slur. It's a whisper.

The slur only matters in the Federal case, however.
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It was not Zimmerman's job to pursue. He had no authority whatsoever to pursue. The police had been called. His duty as a "watchman" was done.
But Zimmerman, as abundantly evident by his 911 call, had already made his judgment. And it *seems* that he was hell-bent on not only being the judge, but also the executioner in this case. But I'll wait for the court to decide that before I believe that as fact. IF it gets to court, that is.
 Quoting: Lurker 6356307

None of it was his "job". He was there to ensure that whomever had perpetrated the recent rash of burglaries and home invasions was caught, so that they did not extend their unwanted attentions to his home. The police had repeatedly failed to capture the perp. He pursued because he wanted to point the suspect out to the cops. The cops took 6 minutes to arrive. In that 6 minutes, the suspect could be miles away.
 Quoting: Aetius


Damn straight, it wasn't his job.
His intention of protecting the neighborhood in any legal, appropriate, and sensible way was accomplished when he called the police.
To pursue Martin was, in effect, stalking a private citizen who was well within his rights to walk home from the store.
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Man you people tweek a word here and there and it makes a big difference! Zimmerman said he "followed" Trayvon. I will give you that. Nothing illegal about that. You use pursue. Has a whole different meanimg. Pursue as in to catch up to. Following and pusueing are completely different things. Your media fed slant is a obvious as your desire to lynch a man who hasn't even been charged and rightfully so.
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It was not Zimmerman's job to pursue. He had no authority whatsoever to pursue. The police had been called. His duty as a "watchman" was done.
But Zimmerman, as abundantly evident by his 911 call, had already made his judgment. And it *seems* that he was hell-bent on not only being the judge, but also the executioner in this case. But I'll wait for the court to decide that before I believe that as fact. IF it gets to court, that is.
 Quoting: Lurker 6356307

None of it was his "job". He was there to ensure that whomever had perpetrated the recent rash of burglaries and home invasions was caught, so that they did not extend their unwanted attentions to his home. The police had repeatedly failed to capture the perp. He pursued because he wanted to point the suspect out to the cops. The cops took 6 minutes to arrive. In that 6 minutes, the suspect could be miles away.
 Quoting: Aetius


Damn straight, it wasn't his job.
His intention of protecting the neighborhood in any legal, appropriate, and sensible way was accomplished when he called the police.
To pursue Martin was, in effect, stalking a private citizen who was well within his rights to walk home from the store.
 Quoting: Lurker 6356307


Man you people tweek a word here and there and it makes a big difference! Zimmerman said he "followed" Trayvon. I will give you that. Nothing illegal about that. You use pursue. Has a whole different meanimg. Pursue as in to catch up to. Following and pusueing are completely different things. Your media fed slant is a obvious as your desire to lynch a man who hasn't even been charged and rightfully so.
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Ummm. You used the word first, as in "He pursued because ...".
There, there. Calm down. Take a deep breath. You'll get your thoughts straight one of these days.
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Your video is not proof. The Sanford PD, the State attorney, the FBI, the victim's family all has no record of any eyewitness. None.
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it was made the day after the incident and someone has already provided the link about it on the first page. What I find hard to believe is that no-one has brought it to your attention (e.g. provided 'proof' see last post on first page) 7 pages into the thread.

You really should actually watch the video
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What I find hard to believe is that no one from the Sanford PD, the State attorney, the FBI, the victim's family all has a record of any eyewitness. You really should look at the facts.
 Quoting: BootsAroundTheWorld


here is that article from the first page

[link to www.myfoxtampabay.com]


quote from the article:

[...]What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.

The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.
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Give me your proof that there was an eyewitness to the murder. Show me a quote/video/audio from either the police or the witness himself. Don't give me links to a website making general comments. It's a fair and simple request. Show me and I will apologize. This is the fourth/fifth time I've made this offer, NOT ONE of you has been able to show this proof.
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