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Kids being SECRETLY bused away from school - Emergency Preparedness Drill in Oklahoma - Update: *IT HAPPENED*

 
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I've been bothered by this all day. One thing I've been thinking about is this, let's say "something" were to happen at some point, in a district where they were prepared to do an off-campus relocation to an undisclosed location... how long could it take to get them back? How do you protest? How far may they go?
How the crap are they safer with the authorities in an ICE facility than they are with us for Heaven's sake?!
God help us.
People, this is big. We need to speak up! We need to get others to see how this is insane!
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Same here.....I've been thinking a lot about this today after commenting on this story this monring. Wondering what WOULD happen if my kids had to be evacuated for any type of safety concerns from our local high school. How could I find them? Where would they take them? How could/would we re-unite?

I sat down tonight and talked with both my kids and put our own 'plan of action' on paper. I'm sure we'll edit it many times in the next few days, making allowances for our own set of circumstances.

This story really posed some potential serious family threats and resulted in discussions that I'd never considered before. Thanks to all for the different opinions and views posted. Most enlightening bump
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heres a scenario... supposedly theres iran terrorists here now in us... they mount a chemical attack at schools around the country... schools evacuate kids to undisclosed fema approved locations... what happens when they get there who knows, but i doubt anything good... now what do ya do when they have your kids? when you go to get them, you could be a terrorist, so they might have to check you out first.
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Glad I don't have any kids.....

The country has been hijacked by a bunch of fascists. That there is your problem.
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The Robocall was placed by them with no intention of being a private and privileged conversation. Therefore, it is no better than public domain.

The call you recorded with the superintendent was a call originating in and between two parties within the state of Oklahoma proper. Oklahoma is a single party state with regards to recorded conversations. That means only one party need be aware that a recording is taking place. As such, your recording is a proper and legal transcription between you (the knowing party) and another, and you have the right to publish that as you see fit.

You're within the law OP.

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Listen to me... Take your video camera or what ever you have a go o the school and sit in your car and wait got them to run the drill. Than follow them and take pictures. This Is how u take care o this shit . Don't be a sheep be a wolf.
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Ok, I've got the audio recordings ready to upload and share. Both the Robocall and the conversation with the school superintendent regarding tomorrow's drill.

I have concerns about whether it is legal to post audio recordings of public officials when it is regarding "public safety" or emergency preparedness operations before the drill has happened. Obviously, it is possible that this could undermine their plans tomorrow, which I consider illegal taking of our children from campus without permission anyway, but I am concerned that doing so may be a crime because it may be interfering in a public safety operation.

Are there any attorney or legal experts that can weigh in on this? Anyone in the media that has dealt with this type of issue?

Please, no insults about me not having the courage to post this. I really don't want to go to jail. I'll post it if we can get a reasonable judgment of whether this is legal to post or not.
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That is a tough one. Does anyone no the answer?
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heres a scenario... supposedly theres iran terrorists here now in us... they mount a chemical attack at schools around the country... schools evacuate kids to undisclosed fema approved locations... what happens when they get there who knows, but i doubt anything good... now what do ya do when they have your kids? when you go to get them, you could be a terrorist, so they might have to check you out first.
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Here's a scenario: what if there are no Iraninan terrorists , and there are only American terrrorists going around killing and murdering people in the middle East?
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I'm no 'expert' but there's no doubt that it IS A CRIME! to take your kids away from school to an undisclosed location with no means of communication with their parents.

Anyone who thinks otherwise has been brainwashed and desensitized into believing, following and not questioning 'authority figures'.

This whole excercise is to further desensitize young people, so they'll do as they're told without question.

This is insanity... who the hell would go along with this?!

Alert The Media!
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Re: Kids being SECRETLY bused away from school - Emergency Preparedness Drill in Oklahoma - Update: *IT HAPPENED*
I don't understand why all parents recieved info on this exercise but it is prolly nothing to worry about...

Also it seems that students will be given much more authority to decide on the spot and without parental consent as demonstrated by just two of many stories floating on the tubes...


Jerry Brown legalizes 12-year-old children giving 'consent' to Gardasil vaccine injections, but bans tanning beds for those under 18

[link to www.naturalnews.com]

Pre-teens in South Africa given contraceptive injection without parental consent

[link to www.lifesitenews.com]
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The Robocall was placed by them with no intention of being a private and privileged conversation. Therefore, it is no better than public domain.

The call you recorded with the superintendent was a call originating in and between two parties within the state of Oklahoma proper. Oklahoma is a single party state with regards to recorded conversations. That means only one party need be aware that a recording is taking place. As such, your recording is a proper and legal transcription between you (the knowing party) and another, and you have the right to publish that as you see fit.

You're within the law OP.

cool2
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OP, this person is telling the truth. That is how it works in TX, too.
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Cmon, its not like you don't know whats going on, and what they have planned??


It's gradual.

This conversion of teens into a violent rituallistic world.

Its so slow that you miss it all the time.
But if you were to see all the childrens media, and all the rules being made for children in schools in fast stop-motion,
that lasted ten minutes, you would understand.

Slowly , slowly catch the monkey.
Old Chinese saying......>>


[link to www.activistpost.com]

Sunday, March 25, 2012
There are many reasons to get your kids out of government schools ranging from physical violence to forced vaccinations. The violence done to children within the school system is now reaching into the areas of mental trauma, as well as forced ideology and politics.

The Washington Post reports that an honor roll student and 3 others at Northwestern High School in Maryland were recently suspended for their political activism. The public school system is now becoming a horrible microcosm of a wider society that is ready to stifle all forms of dissent and challenges to authority. This is nothing short of slave training to accept the police state waiting upon graduation.

[link to www.youtube.com]


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Ok, I've got the audio recordings ready to upload and share. Both the Robocall and the conversation with the school superintendent regarding tomorrow's drill.

I have concerns about whether it is legal to post audio recordings of public officials when it is regarding "public safety" or emergency preparedness operations before the drill has happened. Obviously, it is possible that this could undermine their plans tomorrow, which I consider illegal taking of our children from campus without permission anyway, but I am concerned that doing so may be a crime because it may be interfering in a public safety operation.

Are there any attorney or legal experts that can weigh in on this? Anyone in the media that has dealt with this type of issue?

Please, no insults about me not having the courage to post this. I really don't want to go to jail. I'll post it if we can get a reasonable judgment of whether this is legal to post or not.
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I wouldn't post the conversation with the super until you know for sure. I used to work for a newspaper (reporter) and at the start of every recording I had to ask the person consent to tape them. If they said no, I could not. If I did anyway, it was considered illegal. May vary from state to state. Not much help but that's my two cents.
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you know of course you pulled a Breitbart. ;)
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Listen to me... Take your video camera or what ever you have a go o the school and sit in your car and wait got them to run the drill. Than follow them and take pictures. This Is how u take care o this shit . Don't be a sheep be a wolf.
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Wow.....I too would keep my kids home....and agree with others - if anyone took my kids 2 hours away without permission because "we dont need it..its an emergency"...oh there would be HELL to pay.

I've been considering home schooling for awhile now due to issues with my older son - in short - the teachers keep saying "he's got ADHD" and pushing me and my husband to put him on meds..and we REFUSE...anyway..this post is scary....seriously scares me to think about stuff like this....

Dont be surprised if come fall I report that my 8 year old and 5 year old (who would be starting kindergarten then) are being home-schooled...im seriously about to that point
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Listen to me... Take your video camera or what ever you have a go o the school and sit in your car and wait got them to run the drill. Than follow them and take pictures. This Is how u take care o this !@#$%^&* . Don't be a sheep be a wolf.
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Hiden camera on kid/kids,tracking equip etc...

If ya can get it,seems strange...very strange!
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Put hidden cameras on your kids the day of the drill. This way you can have evidence if necessary. Just in case you need to file a lawsuit.
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The Robocall was placed by them with no intention of being a private and privileged conversation. Therefore, it is no better than public domain.

The call you recorded with the superintendent was a call originating in and between two parties within the state of Oklahoma proper. Oklahoma is a single party state with regards to recorded conversations. That means only one party need be aware that a recording is taking place. As such, your recording is a proper and legal transcription between you (the knowing party) and another, and you have the right to publish that as you see fit.

You're within the law OP.

cool2
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Okie,

I understand that it is legal in Oklahoma to record a conversation when one party to the conversation is consenting. My question is regarding the public safety nature of the issue and an ongoing security drill that could be compromised as a result of the release of facts in the conversation that were not issued to the public.
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OMG!

Public safety?!

Are your kids terrorists, or are their parents terrorists?

Hell No!

You have to share this with the entire country, the name of the school, the phone call, everything...

If you withhold information from fellow parents and americans then you're as bad as the people you're supposedly complaining about, so STFU about it here already!

I'm seriously beginning to think you're lying about this for the drama.
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The Robocall was placed by them with no intention of being a private and privileged conversation. Therefore, it is no better than public domain.

The call you recorded with the superintendent was a call originating in and between two parties within the state of Oklahoma proper. Oklahoma is a single party state with regards to recorded conversations. That means only one party need be aware that a recording is taking place. As such, your recording is a proper and legal transcription between you (the knowing party) and another, and you have the right to publish that as you see fit.

You're within the law OP.

cool2
 Quoting: Okie


Okie,

I understand that it is legal in Oklahoma to record a conversation when one party to the conversation is consenting. My question is regarding the public safety nature of the issue and an ongoing security drill that could be compromised as a result of the release of facts in the conversation that were not issued to the public.
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As far as you explained, even the people you spoke to did not give you any hard information as to what would take place, where any evacuations would be, nor even exact timelines. Only that they would be performing a "lawfully mandated" drill, which is the same as has been posted in the local paper already.

Coupled with the fact that your children have been given further information from their teachers shows that what information is available is not being kept confidential.

Unless they specified to you times, exact schools, destinations, routes, etc. then you have no way of compromising security in any way, and would not be acting in a manner that could be deemed in anyway a malicious or concerted attempt to do so.

The very time stamps of the posts on this thread, the initial questions and concerns you've raised, and the steps that have played out completely alibi your harmless nature. Basically, they provide you any legal cover if someone were to try to object.

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I have not read the entire thread, but based on what the OP is claiming, and if it's true, this is appalling!

NO WAY IN HELL would a school be allowed to take my child, on a bus, away from the school to an "undisclosed" location and take away their cell phone.

WHAT THE HELL is happening in this country?!!!!
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you can edit these things if you feel something may be controversial
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I'm sorry OP but I have been researching your claim and I must say it seems disingenuous at best. If you truly aren't trolling then stop dancing into the realm of legality when we live in the land of the 1st Amendment. Granted now more a privilege than a right but either way, the ultimate legal protection. No-where is their evidence to substantiate this claim. Stop dancing around and post the audio of both notifications and your conversation if this is true. However the more I look into it I think you identified your purpose in the first sentence of your original thread. Either way post the recordings, or this is nothing but a pile of...

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Ok everyone, I just had a 30 minute phone call with the school administration including the superintendent. I was very nice but gave my concerns.

I also recorded the audio conversation.

The rundown:

*The children WILL be placed on buses and will leave/evacuate school grounds.

*The children will NOT be permitted to possess or access their cell phones or other communication devices.

*They're not disclosing the particular school site or the time of the event unil it happens.

*Regarding parental consent, the gist was basically that if there was a real emergency, would parents want them to wait to get permission, etc. Also, they want to keep the details secret so therefore they didn't want to disclose all of the details.

*"This is for their "SAFETY" and we have to protect the kids."

I talked with the superintenent and expressed my concerns, including the problems with sacrificing freedom for security. She said that they didn't want to publish or announce all of the details in case there was some crazy out there that decided it was a good time to do something violent.

She says they have to practice these drills by law. To me, this is unacceptable to take kids off campus to an undisclosed location without communication, and without parental notice. She said that the public can't know their safe site.

My kids won't be participating the drill tomorrow. I would also like to mention that the superintendent told me that I was the ONLY parent to call in and express concerns about the drill.

I expressed that parents need to be more involved in the planning process or at least me made aware of what will be happening in such a drill, even if the day and time are kept secret for secret drill purposes.
 Quoting: withoutatrace


OP, unless they told you more details that you didn't mention in this post, then you have no way to compromise this planned "drill" in any way. What you reported from that call is nothing more than what was in the local paper, and in fact is less than what you reported already that your own children had told you; and that information had come from what their teachers had informed their classes in general. Nothing at all secure there.

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I'd keep the kids home.

The way I see it. If the school district removes a child from the campus without pior written permission from the childs parent = law suit.

The school district is dumb if they havn't thought this thru and it sounds like they havn't.
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THIS^

If anything inappropriate or accidental happens during this time..... well, you know the answer: time to lawyer up. Idiocracy in my opinion. Also, does the school have a standing policy on the confiscation of personal property, specifically cell phones?
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OMG!

Public safety?!

Are your kids terrorists, or are their parents terrorists?

Hell No!

You have to share this with the entire country, the name of the school, the phone call, everything...

If you withhold information from fellow parents and americans then you're as bad as the people you're supposedly complaining about, so STFU about it here already!

I'm seriously beginning to think you're lying about this for the drama.
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How dare you. We've got a real problem here, verifiable by anyone. I've given all the details. I am just concerned about the legality of the posting of the actual recording. I think with a government like we're dealing with, anyone with such a concern should legitmately BE concerned.
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The Robocall was placed by them with no intention of being a private and privileged conversation. Therefore, it is no better than public domain.

The call you recorded with the superintendent was a call originating in and between two parties within the state of Oklahoma proper. Oklahoma is a single party state with regards to recorded conversations. That means only one party need be aware that a recording is taking place. As such, your recording is a proper and legal transcription between you (the knowing party) and another, and you have the right to publish that as you see fit.

You're within the law OP.

cool2
 Quoting: Okie


OP, this person is telling the truth. That is how it works in TX, too.
 Quoting: tandym




OP - Oklahoma is a one-party consent state.
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OMG!

Public safety?!

Are your kids terrorists, or are their parents terrorists?

Hell No!

You have to share this with the entire country, the name of the school, the phone call, everything...

If you withhold information from fellow parents and americans then you're as bad as the people you're supposedly complaining about, so STFU about it here already!

I'm seriously beginning to think you're lying about this for the drama.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10743044


How dare you. We've got a real problem here, verifiable by anyone. I've given all the details. I am just concerned about the legality of the posting of the actual recording. I think with a government like we're dealing with, anyone with such a concern should legitmately BE concerned.
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You are absolutely correct to be careful about anything and everything these days, OP.

Oklahoma is, as I posted just now, a one-party state.
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I'd keep the kids home.

The way I see it. If the school district removes a child from the campus without pior written permission from the childs parent = law suit.

The school district is dumb if they havn't thought this thru and it sounds like they havn't.
 Quoting: Oh Kay


THIS^

If anything inappropriate or accidental happens during this time..... well, you know the answer: time to lawyer up. Idiocracy in my opinion. Also, does the school have a standing policy on the confiscation of personal property, specifically cell phones?
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All valid points and questions.

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