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Kids being SECRETLY bused away from school - Emergency Preparedness Drill in Oklahoma - Update: *IT HAPPENED*

 
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It's like a field trip; but they should get parental permission.
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Being taken away to an undisclosed location with no means of communication with your parents. Yeah, just like a field trip!

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isnt the drill should be placed on the school website?
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They will collect the phones to keep the kids from telling anyone what is really happening. These people learned their lessons from 911. Control information leaks is the game.
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When we lived in TX, my kids went to a REALLY, REALLY small school. Our first year there, they had a threat that required the entire campus K-12 be evacuated. Kids were bused over to a local church away from the school grounds. ALL the parents were called immediately by teachers and told where the kids were. They did drills later and parents were informed where the kids were.

This does NOT sound right. EVERY preparedness program has an acknowledged meeting place thing in it. If the threat is from the outside...the perpetrator will not know the location...and if its from the inside...they already know. There is absolutely NO validity to that argument. The school has NO RIGHT to take YOUR kids anywhere without full disclosure.
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As long as they refuse to tell you where the kids are being taken, that is KIDNAPPING.

A school is NOT within the law to do that.

PERIOD!!!

You should be ashamed for not knowing better!! SPREAD THE WORD NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!!!!!!
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is this this one?

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Grove Public Schools will have a mock emergency on Tuesday, March 27 at approximately 9:30 a.m. on one to the school campuses. The campus chosen will remain unknown to all until the exact time of the mock emergency to give all administration as well as students and teachers the opportunity to practice emergency preparedness.

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It's like a field trip; but they should get parental permission.
 Quoting: HANGFIRE


Being taken away to an undisclosed location with no means of communication with your parents. Yeah, just like a field trip!

another do
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


well, when a lot of us were younger, there were no such thing as cell phones. So, yeah, field trips needed parental permission and we then had no means of communication with our parents. Just sayin'.

In kindergarten, they forgot to get parental permission and they took me to a turkey farm waaaay out in the country, let us pet the turkeys, then took us to watch them killed and hung upside down for the blood to drain. Yep. That was a traumatic experience I never got over.
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Called BS earlier.. Seems Grand Lake has spent great amount of resources into adding earthquake drills to the safety procedure. Hosting drills in November of 2011

[link to grandlakenews.com]

Oklahoma as we know sits on New Madrid. I being from Denver remember the operation Mountain Guardian recently where children were separated from their parents and taken to Mile High stadium as part of disaster response procedure. This probably is the same training in a different state. Really I don't think that anything bad will happen tomorrow, but what they are preparing for is indeed disturbing. Really in order to ultimately protect children from this would be to school them at home...

Here's to hoping the world ends on the weekend! lol
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What if there was a family emergency within those 2 hours and you needed to get to your child? It seems like this is borderline ILLEGAL to take children to an "undisclosed location".

Kidnapping the masses?
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It is absolutely beyond! Are you kidding me?

What need does a highschool or any school for that matter need to remove your children, without your permission, without knowing there whereabouts, and with no way to contact them? Are you serious!? And they are taking all of the kids cellphones?

I call bullshit! There is no way i would ever comply with such bullshit! What happens if a national emergency really happens, while the drill is going on?

Its not like that hasent already happened remember 911 all law enforcement and fire were practicing in case of an emergency and woa look what happened. And in Europe too, practicing for a terrorist attack and boom, it happens!!!

This is just too fricken fishy! And wierd! What happened to reading writing and arithmetic? Now it seems everything is about surviving a possible terrorist attack, just too frickin weird and sensless!
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Re: Kids being SECRETLY bused away from school - Emergency Preparedness Drill in Oklahoma - Update: *IT HAPPENED*
well, when a lot of us were younger, there were no such thing as cell phones. So, yeah, field trips needed parental permission and we then had no means of communication with our parents. Just sayin'.

In kindergarten, they forgot to get parental permission and they took me to a turkey farm waaaay out in the country, let us pet the turkeys, then took us to watch them killed and hung upside down for the blood to drain. Yep. That was a traumatic experience I never got over.
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The students are having their phones taken away before the drill starts.

Also, nobody is told where the kids will be taken. Undisclosed location is all the information available.
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The Robocall was placed by them with no intention of being a private and privileged conversation. Therefore, it is no better than public domain.

The call you recorded with the superintendent was a call originating in and between two parties within the state of Oklahoma proper. Oklahoma is a single party state with regards to recorded conversations. That means only one party need be aware that a recording is taking place. As such, your recording is a proper and legal transcription between you (the knowing party) and another, and you have the right to publish that as you see fit.

You're within the law OP.

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OP, this person is telling the truth. That is how it works in TX, too.
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OP - Oklahoma is a one-party consent state.
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what a dumb name for it. One party consent. By default it would have to be one party consent or there would be no recording. So it means NO consent. If it's true.
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It's like a field trip; but they should get parental permission.
 Quoting: HANGFIRE


Being taken away to an undisclosed location with no means of communication with your parents. Yeah, just like a field trip!

another do
 Quoting: KwittyKwitty


well, when a lot of us were younger, there were no such thing as cell phones. So, yeah, field trips needed parental permission and we then had no means of communication with our parents. Just sayin'.

In kindergarten, they forgot to get parental permission and they took me to a turkey farm waaaay out in the country, let us pet the turkeys, then took us to watch them killed and hung upside down for the blood to drain. Yep. That was a traumatic experience I never got over.
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Got your point, and it has validity; then again, that was a MUCH different time. Wierdness pervades today. Just sayin,

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Called BS earlier.. Seems Grand Lake has spent great amount of resources into adding earthquake drills to the safety procedure. Hosting drills in November of 2011

[link to grandlakenews.com]

Oklahoma as we know sits on New Madrid. I being from Denver remember the operation Mountain Guardian recently where children were separated from their parents and taken to Mile High stadium as part of disaster response procedure. This probably is the same training in a different state. Really I don't think that anything bad will happen tomorrow, but what they are preparing for is indeed disturbing. Really in order to ultimately protect children from this would be to school them at home...

Here's to hoping the world ends on the weekend! lol
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Sounds kinda like in New Orleans when they told everyone to go to that stadium. WE know how safe that turned out to be, people being mugged, shot, raped etc.. Great place for the kiddos. I agree if you don't want this to happen to your children in an emergency then get them out of public school and you and your family make your own safe spots in case of emergency. Home schooling is your friend.
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is this this one? [link to grandlakenews.com]

Grove schools to have mock emergency Tuesday
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2012 10:14 pm | Updated: 9:20 am, Mon Mar 26, 2012.
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Grove Public Schools will have a mock emergency on Tuesday, March 27 at approximately 9:30 a.m. on one to the school campuses. The campus chosen will remain unknown to all until the exact time of the mock emergency to give all administration as well as students and teachers the opportunity to practice emergency preparedness.
Schools will be working in cooperation with local emergency responders including the Grove Police Department, Grove Fire Department, Delaware County Emergency Management and Grove EMS according to Grove Police Chief Mark Morris.
“Which ever site it takes place at, there will be a tremendous amount of emergency vehicles and we need to get the word out to parents that this is a drill. The exact location of the drill will be released early that morning. This allows us to better prepare in case of an actually emergency,” Morris said.
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it says exact location will be released?
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well, when a lot of us were younger, there were no such thing as cell phones. So, yeah, field trips needed parental permission and we then had no means of communication with our parents. Just sayin'.

In kindergarten, they forgot to get parental permission and they took me to a turkey farm waaaay out in the country, let us pet the turkeys, then took us to watch them killed and hung upside down for the blood to drain. Yep. That was a traumatic experience I never got over.
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A school system should be held legally accountable for that. That is appalling.
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is this this one? [link to grandlakenews.com]

Grove schools to have mock emergency Tuesday
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Grove Sun file photo
Grove schools have mock emergency
Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2012 10:14 pm | Updated: 9:20 am, Mon Mar 26, 2012.
Peggy Kiefer | 0 comments
Grove Public Schools will have a mock emergency on Tuesday, March 27 at approximately 9:30 a.m. on one to the school campuses. The campus chosen will remain unknown to all until the exact time of the mock emergency to give all administration as well as students and teachers the opportunity to practice emergency preparedness.
Schools will be working in cooperation with local emergency responders including the Grove Police Department, Grove Fire Department, Delaware County Emergency Management and Grove EMS according to Grove Police Chief Mark Morris.
“Which ever site it takes place at, there will be a tremendous amount of emergency vehicles and we need to get the word out to parents that this is a drill. The exact location of the drill will be released early that morning. This allows us to better prepare in case of an actually emergency,” Morris said.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10267579


This OP!

If you have anything beyond what's already been generally publicized by the school, then you've not told or reported it here throughout the course of this thread.

What you have would or could simply verify your story, perhaps shed some light onto the tone and reasoning of who you spoke with in the school administration, and provide a degree of clarity to the point that you've been given.

There is no good reason, nor any legal reason, NOT to post whatever you claim to have in that case.

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The Robocall was placed by them with no intention of being a private and privileged conversation. Therefore, it is no better than public domain.

The call you recorded with the superintendent was a call originating in and between two parties within the state of Oklahoma proper. Oklahoma is a single party state with regards to recorded conversations. That means only one party need be aware that a recording is taking place. As such, your recording is a proper and legal transcription between you (the knowing party) and another, and you have the right to publish that as you see fit.

You're within the law OP.

cool2
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OP, this person is telling the truth. That is how it works in TX, too.
 Quoting: tandym




OP - Oklahoma is a one-party consent state.
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what a dumb name for it. One party consent. By default it would have to be one party consent or there would be no recording. So it means NO consent. If it's true.
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One-party consent means ONLY one party has to consent to a recording - as opposed to BOTH parties having to agree to a recording for it to be legal. What's dumb about that?
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From what experience I have with recorded calls is that a recorded call cannot be used in court unless the other person or both parties know it is being recorded. But you are not in a court of law right now, so that is not a concern.
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The Robocall was placed by them with no intention of being a private and privileged conversation. Therefore, it is no better than public domain.

The call you recorded with the superintendent was a call originating in and between two parties within the state of Oklahoma proper. Oklahoma is a single party state with regards to recorded conversations. That means only one party need be aware that a recording is taking place. As such, your recording is a proper and legal transcription between you (the knowing party) and another, and you have the right to publish that as you see fit.

You're within the law OP.

cool2
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OP, this person is telling the truth. That is how it works in TX, too.
 Quoting: tandym




OP - Oklahoma is a one-party consent state.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13299657


what a dumb name for it. One party consent. By default it would have to be one party consent or there would be no recording. So it means NO consent. If it's true.
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Negative Keats. No-party consent would allow any individual to record private conversations between others without their knowledge AND without being a party to those conversations themselves.

The one party means that you have that right; however, you also MUST be a party to the recorded conversation as well.

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well, when a lot of us were younger, there were no such thing as cell phones. So, yeah, field trips needed parental permission and we then had no means of communication with our parents. Just sayin'.

In kindergarten, they forgot to get parental permission and they took me to a turkey farm waaaay out in the country, let us pet the turkeys, then took us to watch them killed and hung upside down for the blood to drain. Yep. That was a traumatic experience I never got over.
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The students are having their phones taken away before the drill starts.

Also, nobody is told where the kids will be taken. Undisclosed location is all the information available.
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Oh I think it's all horrendous but I'm just saying their were no cell phones and my parents did NOT know where i was on the field trip. I mean, that was life in the old days. That said, I think we've crossed the line already. As parents demanded authorities and schools to "keep our kids safe" the government - both federal and local - took away all of our personal liberties. By the time we were handing our children and grandparents over to to strangers to be groped and molested - and then complained about it AFTERWARD, well, kiss the country goodbye.
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Why would a school not be able to identify the "location" beforehand for some sort of alleged drill?

And again, WHY take away the cell phones?

This sounds crazy.
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Thanks for posting OP. Quite honestly I'd be freaked!!
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well, when a lot of us were younger, there were no such thing as cell phones. So, yeah, field trips needed parental permission and we then had no means of communication with our parents. Just sayin'.

In kindergarten, they forgot to get parental permission and they took me to a turkey farm waaaay out in the country, let us pet the turkeys, then took us to watch them killed and hung upside down for the blood to drain. Yep. That was a traumatic experience I never got over.
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A school system should be held legally accountable for that. That is appalling.
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I know of a sick one too. Tulsa public schools took elementary kids to the fair, then they were allowed to visit the planned parent hood vendor at the fair who gave the kiddos plastic embryos of babies. Nice huh? I was in shock!
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From what experience I have with recorded calls is that a recorded call cannot be used in court unless the other person or both parties know it is being recorded. But you are not in a court of law right now, so that is not a concern.
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Some states are "one-party consent" and others are "two-party consent".

One-party means ONLY one party has to know there is a recording taking place for it to be legal.

Two-party means BOTH parties have to consent to the recording for it to be legal.
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well, when a lot of us were younger, there were no such thing as cell phones. So, yeah, field trips needed parental permission and we then had no means of communication with our parents. Just sayin'.

In kindergarten, they forgot to get parental permission and they took me to a turkey farm waaaay out in the country, let us pet the turkeys, then took us to watch them killed and hung upside down for the blood to drain. Yep. That was a traumatic experience I never got over.
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A school system should be held legally accountable for that. That is appalling.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13299657


I know of a sick one too. Tulsa public schools took elementary kids to the fair, then they were allowed to visit the planned parent hood vendor at the fair who gave the kiddos plastic embryos of babies. Nice huh? I was in shock!
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WTH?!

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WOW! There is no way in hell I'd be sending my child to school for this. Taken to an undisclosed location with no possibility of communication and without my written consent. No way in hell!

I'd be down there getting some answers already for them even suggesting something of this magnitude. They think they can do whatever they want with our kids. Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

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some questions bothering me

Why do they have to be placed on a "secret location"? Are they taking the cellphones so no one can "check in" on facebook and no one can take picture of this?

where is this location?
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Thanks for posting OP. Quite honestly I'd be freaked!!
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We have all watched while gunmen walk through school shooting people. Was there a need to take them to an "undisclosed location" then? Maybe the teachers should be taken to an undisclosed location.

I mean really people whats next!!?

"today we are gonna simulate what we would do if we were chemically attacked, everyone must strip down and get powdered and sprayed."

This is just too fricken much already! TSA to travel anywhere in the continental U.S. for U.S. citizens! And a wide open border where anyone coming through can go to college for free and the government free money. Dont make a stink though you could get classified as an enemy combatent!!
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So if it's a glorified fire drill basically, why take the phones?
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some questions bothering me

Why do they have to be placed on a "secret location"? Are they taking the cellphones so no one can "check in" on facebook and no one can take picture of this?

where is this location?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10267579


The reason the superintendent gave was that there was a bomb threat last year and within two minutes a parent had posted to Facebook that the kids were okay and were in the "Field House"...which would have put the kids at risk because the bomber obviously would have had Facebook loaded and see where the kids were located. This is why she says the kids' phones are being taken.

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