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Kids being SECRETLY bused away from school - Emergency Preparedness Drill in Oklahoma - Update: *IT HAPPENED*

 
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Yeah, all of this sounds creepy and somewhat fishy! I would not send them to school and stay away from the school as much as you can just incase there is a real bomb. It would be nice to follow the buses but do so after they actually leave about a block or 2 away.

I have a feeling that they received a bomb threat for Tuesday and are taking precautions. Maybe! You just never know. This all sounds way too big to be just a drill.

OP please, don't send your kids tomr.
Can't we all just get along?!
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Wouldn't they be bound to give parents an 'opt out' option?
 Quoting: HANGFIRE


See, now I wonder if this is why there was no permission slip or even notice. If it's in conjunction with some sort of federal agency or even some type of emergency management (like I posted above), if there is some sort of sneaky allowance slipped in in the federal, state or local code somewhere, perhaps not?
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Oh I'm sure it has some bullshit about national security and that's why they don't need permission slips.
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If my kids school tried pulling this off without my permission, there would be hell to pay. I would definately keep my kids at home, and film the event, if possible.
I have to sign a permission slip for every field trip. It is standard procedure whenever the kids are to leave the building for an outside of school event.

We had a situation here in our school district a few weeks ago. A weekend party turned into a weekend shooting of 10 students, 6 of which were from my daughters school.The day they returned to school, after the weekend shooting and the monday off for a holiday, all kids were searched for weapons, were hand scanned, had their purses and bookbags searched, etc. My daughter was visibly shaken when she got home from school. They did find a pocket knife on one student, and another student was found to have scissors. BTW, the scissors were in her case with all of her art supplies, along with a project she was doing for her class.I can see suspending the student with the knife, but suspending the student for scissors was just ridiculous.
I am glad that my daughter has less than 3 months to go before she graduates. If she still had a susbstantial amount of school left to go, I would pull her out, and either let her finish high school online, or move to another district.
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Sometimes I'm just so glad I don't live in USA. I remember my school had an emergency drill when I was in 8th grade. And no, no one ever informed the parents about it. Why? Because there was no fuckin need to. We just went through with the drill and went home early because there were no lessons afterwards. End of the story. Of course, all kinds of things might happen to children in school, they're kids after all, and they play and they get hurt. But to worry that your kid might get taken away to who knows where? How messed up is that?

My question is not where these kids will be taken and why. My question is how the hell did we end up like this? Being afraid to step one foot outside our home. Where did we make a mistake to become like this? Just what is wrong with the world?

Okay, I feel better after taking it out. Thank you for your attention:D
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This is what societies based in fear do. It's all FUBAR.
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Is it possible it's just rumors being spread by the kids getting stirred up by a drill, or were the teachers themselves actually talking about the kids about being taken off campus?
 Quoting: Laura Bow


My kids say that this drill has been talked about for weeks at school. There's even been staff telling students that if the drill crosses over into time for them to go to votech, that they're excused from votech for the day. That certainly implies detention (either on or off campus) to me. I do not get the impression that the leaving the campus is a hyped up rumor, but this cannot be confirmed. There were not rumors of leaving campus when they were forced to participate in the earthquake drill about a month ago.

As far as the HS kids have been told by the staff, they're being taken to the middle high campus a few miles away. But I find that hard to believe. Unless they're evacuating that school too.

I have a gut feeling that this is to train our young people that it's okay to be rounded up by men in uniform holding guns and lights flashing everywhere.
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Did they send any type of paperwork home or was it just via word-of-mouth, the phone call and then the newspaper article?
 Quoting: Laura Bow


It was phone call with recorded message at almost 9 PM last night (Sunday). Then talking with the kids about what they knew. They know about my conspiracy leanings and try to keep mom from going on "a rant" so hadn't told me yet. Then I investigated and found the news story.
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Wow, something as important as this you would think they would at least send information home as well. Not to mention, with a pre-recorded message, what if the person answering the phone isn't the one the message is intended for OR...if they don't speak English?

I'm on the school district website now, I don't see any notices, you would think the would want the parents to be aware of something like this???
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what govt bases or labs are close by, if any. something will happen to the kids for sure. they are experimenting on a small control group before going larger. the kids would not be able to remember what happened, so forget questioning them.

best thing to do is follow their concert, especially if you suspect which school it is. they are keeping a shell game on which school for a reason. they don not want anyone to follow the buses. if you are small town, get different parents to split up and watch schools to follow.
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That's exactly what I was thinking.. Creeeeeepy!
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You know, if you're not going to provide us with an actual school name, your post is useless.

I live in Oklahoma and have heard nothing of this.

Are you sure you're not just a paranoid mentally ill patient?
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I am sure you don't mean to be rude. I already posted a link to a news article which exposes the school system, the city, the county, the state, and the agencies involved.
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OP

Do you care about your children?

If I found this out that was going on with my children,

I would take them out and home school so fast...
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I'll try and hold my criticism here but I find it difficult to believe that people still don't understand anything about where they live. Anyways, Oklahoma, like many other states in the union passed a rack of laws labeled as the Model Health Powers Act and it is a set of laws to govern government systems' response to any emergency. After 9/11 it was almost a matter of non-discussion for states to go on and pass this legislation. Kicker is, this legislation preempts existing laws including those that relate to privacy, medical licensure, and property rights.

It's your big brother dressed as EMT.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

And for whatever reason, maybe all the school shootings or something, some state level group has decided it's a good drill to haul the school kids off campus.

I'm a granny, I'm a mom, and I'd be upset about my young ones being carted off for an emergency drill. I'm also a retired teacher and adult trainer from a government system. I understand how anal government is as a system. I'd be very angry with how this practice session is not being fully advertised and explained to the public. But some nitwits are trying to make it as "real life situational" as possible and need their collective butts kicked.
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I'm on the school district website now, I don't see any notices, you would think the would want the parents to be aware of something like this???
 Quoting: Laura Bow


Laura,

One thing I did notice on the district site was a Drunk Driving Prevention event in the High School Gym. A time was not given, but the date corresponds to the drill. Maybe they're rescheduling the drink driving thing.

But you're right, no mention on the school website of this drill. And the news article specifically talks about how they want parents to understand it's just a drill. Sounds to me like they're worried about logical worry from parents if the details were known.
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New Madrid going to blow tomorrow??wtf
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^^^ that is what I was thinking!!!

My youngest childs school makes robo calls all the time---- "we had a lockdown", "there was a medical emergency and the child was taken by ambulance to the hospital"-- the most recent one! and last year, "we had a child hit by a car after school, but was taken to the hospital and released with minor injuries"

but never had were taking your kid off campus for hours for an emergency drill......... off campus is a no no!

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Remember; THE WH Has declared "martial law", so they don't THINK they need permission for anything.

KEEP THE KID HOME!
"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing" Socrates
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isnt tomorrow when NASA is firing off those missles?
wonder if one might 'accidently' go astray..........
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OP

Do you care about your children?

If I found this out that was going on with my children,

I would take them out and home school so fast...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12498912


AC, I love my children very much and I am strongly considering pulling them out. The only thing holding me back is getting more information and also one of them graduates in two months. She really wants the prom and the graduation walk. Of course none of that will happen if the kids are carted off and not returned.

I just had a thought, maybe because of this safety drill, they will offer the kids a chance to get caught up on their immunizations, free of charge. After all, they're going to be sitting around for up to two hours with all sorts of emergency personnel around. Now that's my paranoia.
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I'm on the school district website now, I don't see any notices, you would think the would want the parents to be aware of something like this???
 Quoting: Laura Bow


Laura,

One thing I did notice on the district site was a Drunk Driving Prevention event in the High School Gym. A time was not given, but the date corresponds to the drill. Maybe they're rescheduling the drink driving thing.

But you're right, no mention on the school website of this drill. And the news article specifically talks about how they want parents to understand it's just a drill. Sounds to me like they're worried about logical worry from parents if the details were known.
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What other local news outlets are for your area? I can only find the link you referenced, are there any local or somewhat local tv stations? You would think this would be spread far and wide, imagine if a parent did not know what was happening and was driving by the school during the drill and saw all these police and EMS vehicles outside, they'd freak out!
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I don't post bullshit, I'm not trolling, and this needs to be taken seriously and I would appreciate some evaluation from others. My children will NOT be attending school on Tuesday for this "drill."

I live in a rural town in Oklahoma. We got a pre-recorded message on our home phone tonight informing us of an "emergency preparedness drill" that will be taking place on Tuesday of this week. It was non-detailed, and just said that they wanted to practice in case of a real emergency and that this was only a drill. As a parent, I was NOT notified of the plan surrounding the drill or that the students would be taken away from campus.

After the call, I mention this to my teen girls, one is a junior and the other a senior in the public high school. They already knew about the upcoming drill, just not the specific day as "the drill was supposed to happen weeks ago, before spring break, but the police weren't ready so they delayed it." They also told me that the teachers have been upfront with them that they will be placed on buses and taken to an undisclosed location. One of the possible scenarios the students have been told the emergency might be is a possible chemical spill at the school. WHAT? The senior has been told when the drill begins, one instructor has told her class that all students have to turn off their cell phones and give the phones to the teacher in clear designated baggies for her to keep control of "in case a student decided to detonate a bomb with their phone." WTF? If they're practicing for a "chemical spill emergency" why do phones have to be given up so no detonation may occur?

The kids have also been told they'll be away from the school for two hours and if they end up missing vo-tech because of the drill, the absence will be excused. There's RUMOR that the police/authorities will be searching lockers and belongings while the kids are taken away for two hours, but that is unconfirmed and is just a rumor, although I wouldn't be surprised.

Does anyone else see a problem with this? If students are going to be removed from the campus for two hour as part of an emergency drill and their location undisclosed while the students have no access to communication devices to contact their parents, don't you think they should have gotten parent permission or at least some disclosure?

In my opinion, it seems the school system is planning and practicing how to remove children from school and take them away to undisclosed location without access to communication to let their families know their status and their location. Why would the school not want parents to be aware of where their children are? Why gone for two hours?

Where are the permission forms? Parental rights? Where is the disclosure and transparency? This just seems a little too big brother for me.

There is only a brief mention of a drill in the local paper, but it gives no details and says only that one school will be involved but they aren't saying which school. There is only one high school in this town and my kids seemed to know all about this drill so it's probably theirs.

Please suggest a pin so this can be discussed.
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this really sneaknie....to be so quiet about it.....and the cell phone bit is strange, especially if it is a drill...this might be part of the deal with the serve america act of taking kids to "camps" for mentoring....
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I'll try and hold my criticism here but I find it difficult to believe that people still don't understand anything about where they live. Anyways, Oklahoma, like many other states in the union passed a rack of laws labeled as the Model Health Powers Act and it is a set of laws to govern government systems' response to any emergency. After 9/11 it was almost a matter of non-discussion for states to go on and pass this legislation. Kicker is, this legislation preempts existing laws including those that relate to privacy, medical licensure, and property rights.

It's your big brother dressed as EMT.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

And for whatever reason, maybe all the school shootings or something, some state level group has decided it's a good drill to haul the school kids off campus.

I'm a granny, I'm a mom, and I'd be upset about my young ones being carted off for an emergency drill. I'm also a retired teacher and adult trainer from a government system. I understand how anal government is as a system. I'd be very angry with how this practice session is not being fully advertised and explained to the public. But some nitwits are trying to make it as "real life situational" as possible and need their collective butts kicked.
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Good point about the emegency health powers act, however as far as I understand it, that's only if a state of emergency is enacted by the governor. There could be something somewhere else regarding public safety where the parental permission slips not being necessary for something like this could apply.
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Call the school OP, am very interested to hear their response! Good luck xx
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Wouldn't they be bound to give parents an 'opt out' option?
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See, now I wonder if this is why there was no permission slip or even notice. If it's in conjunction with some sort of federal agency or even some type of emergency management (like I posted above), if there is some sort of sneaky allowance slipped in in the federal, state or local code somewhere, perhaps not?
 Quoting: Laura Bow


Oh I'm sure it has some bullshit about national security and that's why they don't need permission slips.
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oh i forgot...obama's OE's on strong cities and communities dirvative might be the trigger on this....
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I'm on the school district website now, I don't see any notices, you would think the would want the parents to be aware of something like this???
 Quoting: Laura Bow


Laura,

One thing I did notice on the district site was a Drunk Driving Prevention event in the High School Gym. A time was not given, but the date corresponds to the drill. Maybe they're rescheduling the drink driving thing.

But you're right, no mention on the school website of this drill. And the news article specifically talks about how they want parents to understand it's just a drill. Sounds to me like they're worried about logical worry from parents if the details were known.
 Quoting: withoutatrace


What other local news outlets are for your area? I can only find the link you referenced, are there any local or somewhat local tv stations? You would think this would be spread far and wide, imagine if a parent did not know what was happening and was driving by the school during the drill and saw all these police and EMS vehicles outside, they'd freak out!
 Quoting: Laura Bow


The closest cities are Joplin, MO and Tulsa, OK. I don't know anything about the Joplin news sites, but in Tulsa there is newson6.com, ktul.com, kjrh.com, and fox23.com.

I have to pop out for a while. I'll be back later and let you know what I've found out about this "drill" and what we can do to get parents more aware of schools pulling this crap.
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I would be happy to give a mod the school name and location to verify. I don't think it will help things to have droves of GLPers calling the school asking about FEMA camps or the NWO or whatever other wacky trouble some may cause.
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Leave your kids at HOME!!

Go to the school, and collect ALL data and info about drill (ie.) get documentation

then on DRILL DAY go video and audio tape the entire event focusing on Agencies and procedures, then follow the bus and KEEP FILMING all the way to the secret location

FILM and post it

Expose this PYSOP!!
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^^this
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Hellloooooo!!!!???

DO NOT send your kids to school tomorrow. Keep them home, no matter what.. THEN, YOU go to their school and try to see what's going on, follow the buses, etc..

It sounds like you're more worried about finding out what will happen during the drill than the safety of your kids..

You really wanna risk something fucked up happening?

"oh, well we couldn't tell them the REAL location of the drill because we wanted it to be as realistic as possible.. So when we took them 45 minutes away to the remote location where the bus exploded for unknown reasons, we had a lot of parents who had a lot of questions.

It's a terrible thing. Detectives are looking into what caused the explosion. Nobody saw what happened."


This kind of shit happens all the time, and you never really know how many of them are real accidents. Fuck the government, DO NOT send your kids to school tomorrow.. I'm telling you.
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OP, I would send the kids to an out-of-town relative's house for the day.

Then I would do some reconnaissance to find out where those busses are going just in case they decide to take your kids there without a warning.

Consider home schooling next year. ( I have a thread on it somewhere)

We have been doing this and love it. My sixth grader is effortlessly doing 7th grade work, without the restrictions of the traditional classroom.

Stay safe OP.

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OP

Do you care about your children?

If I found this out that was going on with my children,

I would take them out and home school so fast...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12498912


AC, I love my children very much and I am strongly considering pulling them out. The only thing holding me back is getting more information and also one of them graduates in two months. She really wants the prom and the graduation walk. Of course none of that will happen if the kids are carted off and not returned.

I just had a thought, maybe because of this safety drill, they will offer the kids a chance to get caught up on their immunizations, free of charge. After all, they're going to be sitting around for up to two hours with all sorts of emergency personnel around. Now that's my paranoia.
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It's one god damn day!! You think a missed day is going to prevent her from graduating?? PLEASE..

KEEP THEM HOME!!!!!!
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keep your kids home! I did that when they offered Free flu shots at my kids school! even though they needed a permission slip, I wasn't taking any chances!

keep them home op!
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She'd rather keep the thread going than call the school.. Call them now, let us know what happened.. Why wait all day?

And regardless of what they tell you, keep them home tomorrow as well.
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I meant to add that I was a teacher in middle school.

PARENTS always had to sign a slip for consent to remove a child from campus.

PERIOD. END OF STORY>
 Quoting: GoldenYears


Otherwise it is pushing the line of kidnapping. Taking the phones is bullshit also. Are they going to put bags on the kids heads so they can't see the destination? Are they going to "pretend" to give the kids shots also, to counteract the chemicals too? VERY weird!peace
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If this is true, then this is spectacularly bad. Take my kids without telling me and you might as well declare war. I would be taking my kids out of public school indefinitely if I were you OP.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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The reason for these drills (and note they mentioned 'chemical spill') is because an ancient extinction event is upon us: an increasingly poisoned and flammable atmosphere. More info:

[link to jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com]

Flammable, sooo...spark plugs + gas = fire or explosion, right? Well, let's look at some recent bus accidents:

2012-03-25 - Charter bus catches fire near las Vegas (Nevada), two injured:
[link to www.lasvegassun.com]

2012-03-23 - Munkatch (Illinois) school bus smokes and bursts into flame, kids evac'd safely:
[link to www.monseyscoop.com]

2012-03-23 - Ocean Bay (South Carolina) elementary school bus catches on fire, kids evacuated:
[link to www.carolinalive.com]

2012-03-17 - Double-decker bus in London (Britain) suddenly engulfed in flames (some 'wow' images):
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

I could go on and on. This extinction event is getting hard to hide except from the most oblivious.

Now, where will it be MOST obvious? Schools, universities. Lots of people around to observe corpses, like those two Illinois State students just found dead in separate dorms (but same campus). What did they share? Oh, right...the atmosphere.

Lots of renovations of schools going on too. There was a thread about that here not too long ago, month or two I'd guess, if you wanna hunt it down.

A toxic and flammable atmosphere changes everything. They ARE trying to keep your kids safe. But they're also hiding the danger from us too. Kinda schizo, our civilization, as we face this extinction event.
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Re: Kids being SECRETLY bused away from school - Emergency Preparedness Drill in Oklahoma - Update: *IT HAPPENED*
Sometimes I'm just so glad I don't live in USA. I remember my school had an emergency drill when I was in 8th grade. And no, no one ever informed the parents about it. Why? Because there was no fuckin need to. We just went through with the drill and went home early because there were no lessons afterwards. End of the story. Of course, all kinds of things might happen to children in school, they're kids after all, and they play and they get hurt. But to worry that your kid might get taken away to who knows where? How messed up is that?

My question is not where these kids will be taken and why. My question is how the hell did we end up like this? Being afraid to step one foot outside our home. Where did we make a mistake to become like this? Just what is wrong with the world?

Okay, I feel better after taking it out. Thank you for your attention:D
 Quoting: Maya 1487619


This is what societies based in fear do. It's all FUBAR.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 893880


and this guys country were nazis that burned people in ovens

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