Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 2,884 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 1,869,562
Pageviews Today: 2,628,686Threads Today: 693Posts Today: 14,649
09:12 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2409705
United States
03/28/2012 01:55 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
Want a very simple solution to a very complex problem?

ELIMINATE INSURANCE COMPANIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's because of medical insurance that this problem exists!

Hospitals and physicians can charge anything they want because they know, as well as anyone with a brain knows, that the insurance company will pay! Even if it's a %, someone is getting paid!

What happens because of insurance?

That cavity you have? Should really cost about, 15$ Let's just say. But because of insurance, the actual cost is....200$.

Those 3 stitches you needed? In a realistic world where people pretty much dictate how much "worth" or "value" something has might cost, oh let's just say...30$ 10$/stitch.

But in OUR society, with insurance to back up the cost of inflated prices on the dime of YOU or your EMPLOYER, will cost 175+$.

INSURANCE = people get raped. They all make HUGE profits.

Take away insurance, all prices DROP because if people can't afford services, and most couldn't, then hospitals go broke along with doctors and everyone else involved.

It's pretty simple. Oh and you know what? IT WORKED LIKE THIS A LONG TIME AGO!

You know, BEFORE there was ever health insurance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12835135


/end thread. this is all the OP needs to know to not be such a clueless fucktard.
JustThink

User ID: 13025452
United States
03/28/2012 02:02 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
the old setup was that kids would be covered until they were out of college. that means by the time you need to pay for your insurance you CAN pay for your own. you liberals just can't handle the responsibility of acting like a grown up. quit acting like you are the governments children. you let them think they own you and they will. then there will be a curfew because its simply safer to not be out at night and the list goes on and on. grow up, get a job, get your own insurance. dont like the insurance companies? make your own. you already think you're a fucking genius. should be easy
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13356707
United States
03/28/2012 02:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
I trust the free market to pay to heal me...ha ha ha ha ha
 Quoting: Brainsdonthurtabit


Fewer were turned away before the government started getting involved with medicare, etc.

The government cannot run itself, much less healthcare.

Besides, even if the above weren't true, they did away with the single payer option and the pharmaceutical companies have made an agreement as to how much they are willing to lose in this game and it was a drop in the bucket.
Right Turn Regressive
User ID: 3882048
United States
03/28/2012 02:12 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
This ploy by Chief Socialist is not about health care. It's about planting an IRS agent in every business, for the purpose of compliance. Dangle a twinkie in front of a bunch of dumbass liberals, and as long as it's " free", they 'll jump off a cliff trying to get it. propoganda
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3702145
United States
03/28/2012 02:14 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
...


Well thats stupid commies and nazis are opposites....
 Quoting: Brainsdonthurtabit


I don't think I have been rude to you in your thread. Why are you being rude to me. I'm trying to have a conversation with people who have opposing views. My views are just as important to me as yours are to you.

No, it's not stupid. What they are doing is sometimes what a Communist would do and other times they are doing what a fascist would do. Whatever it is they want to do at any given time. We are under a soft dictatorship right now, most don't realize it, but that's what it is.

The merging of government and business is called Corporatism and that is fascism. That is what Obamacare is.
It is not Obama dukeing it out for the common man, that is just bullshit.

If all it did was stick it to the insurance companies, that is one thing, but it's still got to come from somewhere to pay the ins. co. for this mandate and if people can't afford it, it will be taken out in higher taxes and higher policy rates on those who have any $ left in their paycheck.
And we have no choice in the matter at all.

Did they get rid of the fines and the jail term associated with this bill in the event people fail to cooperate with them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3702145


Look, every time an uninsured person gets treated, we pay. We pay NOW. As far as I know there is no jail time with this bill thats a bunch of shit. The bill says if you can afford it you must have it and if that is done as is done with car insurance, the price will come down.
 Quoting: Brainsdonthurtabit


Exactly. Under the current system, the law says WE have to pay for uninsured who cannot cover their critical care at the hospital. If they had to take care of themselves, as is required under Obama care, then THEY pay.

I wonder why nobody has challenged the constitutionality of the current law?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7529280


They are both unconstitutional.
UseLess RepEATER
Those who know the least obey the best: G.F.

User ID: 11001380
United States
03/28/2012 02:16 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
This thread is getting entirely too much traffic in light of the idiocy promulgated by BrainsTurnedToShit.

Last Edited by UseLessRepEATER on 03/28/2012 02:17 AM
Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies
~U.R.~

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
~H. L. Mencken~

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
~Plato~

When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations,
the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.
~Dresden James~
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1178007
United States
03/28/2012 02:34 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
If they have any money for Obamacare, it's already been spent. It was not meant for the people, it was meant for the insurance companies and for more cost shifting and interfering in people's personal affairs. Politicians and their insiders would all be heavily invested in the insurance industry ($$$$$).
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12315794
Sweden
03/28/2012 02:41 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
I don't understand... Why are you so EAGER to give your HARD EARNED CASH to the insurance companies, companies are by DEFINITION designed to PROFIT. You pay your money to the insurance companies, who THEN decide whether or not they will cover your treatments. That's SICK. Wake UP!

They are LEECHES.

Remove the middle man - CHEAPER and BETTER health care for ALL.

God bless america! You need it!
UseLess RepEATER
Those who know the least obey the best: G.F.

User ID: 11001380
United States
03/28/2012 02:49 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
I don't understand... Why are you so EAGER to give your HARD EARNED CASH to the insurance companies, companies are by DEFINITION designed to PROFIT. You pay your money to the insurance companies, who THEN decide whether or not they will cover your treatments. That's SICK. Wake UP!

They are LEECHES.

Remove the middle man - CHEAPER and BETTER health care for ALL.

God bless america! You need it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12315794


That's why the insurance company lobbies wrote Obama-no-care.
Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies
~U.R.~

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
~H. L. Mencken~

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
~Plato~

When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations,
the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.
~Dresden James~
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11333278
United States
03/28/2012 02:59 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
Dear Mr Ayers(OP) fuck off and die.

thanks, your buddy

Everybody
Skin Suit

User ID: 4280163
United States
03/28/2012 03:13 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
free vaccines for everybody
Dmorg4

User ID: 1401964
Norway
03/28/2012 03:15 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
Just deal with the fact that it's not constitutional.
 Quoting: Evan03


Drop your car insurance then....lets see how long you get away with that. It's mandatory dummy.
 Quoting: Brainsdonthurtabit


Yes but thats a different thing altogether because
if you wreck your car you might hurt sombody
else but if you dont pay your health insurance
its you thats going be hurt.
I,m the danger I,m the one who knocks...
Scubaseven2

User ID: 13375970
Australia
03/28/2012 03:21 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
Because driving is a privilege, living is a right. "dummy"
 Quoting: Evan03


Not another one of those "its ok to take all my rights away" idiots?!
Do not take memories of what happened yesterday, into what might happen today.

When love is your greatest weakness, you will be the strongest person in the world.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12631583
United States
03/28/2012 03:26 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
Like it or not, Obama's health care law was written for you. Not for him. It was written to help the majority of people of this country, not the 1%.

Before Obamacare:

1. Children with preexisting conditions could be denied coverage. Kind of like a live birth abortion for those of you that love sperm and eggs so much. You should be appalled. Kids with cancer get a letter denying coverage.

2. Young people couldn't get coverage under their parents policy. Now they can be covered until 26 years old under the parent's policy.

3. Health insurance companies had a max amount they would pay for you lifetime. Go over it with your cancer and ..well too bad. fucking die, we are done paying. Right now that is illegal.

You dumb fucks that think the free market will take care of you are right. Buy a casket. The laws of the United States require hospitals treat any emergency condition be treated whether the person has insurance or now, so guess what. You already pay for coverage for others.
 Quoting: Brainsdonthurtabit


Thanks for the propaganda and now for the reality. I have a high paying job with a large company that has gutted our insurance due to Obamacare. I wake up every day in pain and do not go to my chiropractor because I can no longer afford it. The cost of health care has skyrocketed and the quality of care has been reduced. They 'manage' your care by denial. You will be denied coverage by decree of the various socialist death panels who oversee the plan.

More people are now uninsured because they can't afford Obamacare. It is designed to destroy the health care industry so that everyone will have to turn to the government and the US congressional budget office predicts bankruptcy for the system. We already are close to having 60% of our budget going to unfunded entitlement programs just like european socialist welfare states that are now all collapsing.

Now a proper solution would be to bring back capitalism into the health care industry by making the real consumer of health care, you, make all the cost and provider decisions. Something like a medical savings account would do the trick. Capitalism works with health care. Compare the costs for treating your dog at the vet for a similar ailment that you would treat via our system. You will pay 10-100 times more under the socialist denial of care system that Obama is implementing.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11106519
United States
03/28/2012 03:32 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
stfu


The Federal Government is already to BIG, BLOATED, CORRUPT.

Fk U and Fk the Federal Government. Leave me and my health alone.

Tks

militia
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8926747


clappa
UseLess RepEATER
Those who know the least obey the best: G.F.

User ID: 11001380
United States
03/28/2012 03:34 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
The first two sentences of your post apply to me as well. Starting in 2013, we are taking a huge hit, compared to what we are now paying.

I wish we could just shop around for a Dr., just like when I am looking for a mechanic to fix my car.
Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies
~U.R.~

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
~H. L. Mencken~

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
~Plato~

When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations,
the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.
~Dresden James~
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13352360
United States
03/28/2012 03:40 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
I love it when poor people fight legislation passed to help them....priceless....you dummies.
 Quoting: Brainsdonthurtabit


why don't you say you are a Communist? Easy as that.

Our healthcare needeed fixing and had a lot of problems. This would just send us into the dark ages instead of fix it. Socialized medicine has not worked in any country, UK, Canada etc. Nothing but horror stories from those countries which you obviously don't read.

And I do not mean this as a slam against poor people, but the majority are either immigrants, illegal immigrants, or already lifelong or even generational recipients of social services and frankly have never had enough of an education to understand the difference between ideologies like Capitalism and Communism, or even what the word ideology means. So it's really the "poor people" who are fighting FOR it.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1211208
United States
03/28/2012 03:49 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
If you make $80,000 a year you will pay $4500 for insurance a year.

Or a $2000 penalty for not buying insurance.

If you make $25,000 a year you will pay almost $1800 for insurance or $650 penalty for not buying insurance.

Doesn't anyone realize how much you will be FORCED to pay..

How many will not be able to afford to buy the insurance anyway. But will still be required to pay the penalty portion without insurance.

If this was a good idea the government wouldn't have thought of it...

31 million were added to the insurance rolls because of this law..

I predict 31 million won't be able to buy the insurance...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9014106
Australia
03/28/2012 03:54 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
From what I've read about Obamacare, I thought it was about being mandated to pay for health insurance, only to have almost all of it cut off when you reach an age where you are likely to need assistance. A new 'service' however, will be to council you into committing assisted suicide. This doesn't really sound appealing to me. Does this mean an elderly person will be forced to pay health insurance and not to qualified for care???

Regards driving, I thought it was a constitutional right, not a priviledge that can be withdrawn as they do now.
sharlock
User ID: 13376201
Australia
03/28/2012 04:08 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
I love it when poor people fight legislation passed to help them....priceless....you dummies.
 Quoting: Brainsdonthurtabit


This isn't going to help very many.
Ask a doctor what they think. I have
Ask a business owner what they think?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12807134


No one said our healthcare system was flawless, but Obamacare does more harm than good. And the supreme court is about to undo Obama's mistake.

Why is it that when something needs to be "fixed" or loopholes need to be closed, you libs automatically think it means we need new laws or massive legislation?

Creating a bigger govt. and more bureaucracies always makes things worse.
 Quoting: Evan03


So you support kids with cancer losing coverage? Because that is what will happen if this is shot down. As long as it's not your kid right?
 Quoting: Brainsdonthurtabit


So what will be your solution when doctors decide to quit being doctors because of all the new bureaucratic hoops they'll have to jump through, and business owners decide to go out of business because it's just too much trouble to stay in business?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13344489


In Australia we already have a program in place similar to Obamacare and I have to say I was shocked by the reactions of most Americans to such a proposal. You are crazy if u think your law claiming that hospitals must treat serious ilness regardless, actually protects you.

I was diagnosed with a progressive fatal ilness and the medicine needed to at least slow the progress of this disease is over $2000 per month. Without our medicare and PBS system I would have a much shorter life span and the illness would reduce my quality of life to the point I could do nothing for myself.

Being a rare disease I have spent a majority of my time learning bout it through forums set up by Americans and have had to read over and over again the anguish of these families who mortgaged their houses and lost all their savings simply trying to give their children the medication they needed - and most even after sacrificing all this could still only afford to give their child half of the necessary dose.

The medication is not something you can stop and start whenever you can afford it. In fact stopping after starting can kill you. These people would finally have some relief if Obamacare was introduced.

Doctors do not leave their jobs otherwise we'd be in a shitload of trouble her in Australia.

Sure some whinge but these guys all still have the nicest houses on their street.

Please consider the humanitarian concerns before you go ballistic over who has to pay for it. Only those who can afford (due to their higher earning bracket) are made to pay for their own and with in an economic downturn all are (as noone is immune to losing it all in this economy) eligible for it.

Seriously guys it is a good thing!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12104858
United States
03/28/2012 04:08 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
op fail
Hoot McVie
User ID: 13297298
United States
03/28/2012 04:12 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
remember when pelosi said "we'll just have to pass the bill to find out what's in it"...?

well, coming january 1st, 2013, if this unconstitutional law isn't shot down, we will see a national sales tax on homes and used cars, 16,000 new IRS agents, and a little something called "comfort care".

"comfort care" is in essence sarah palin's "death panels".

why do you think this shit all starts in 2013?

because obama can't be reelected.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11293979
United States
03/28/2012 04:17 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
Let's see...if our "representatives" did not legislate NAFTA,CAFTA and GATT, we would have those millions of jobs that were forced overseas. Those jobs provided full medical coverage....at little to no cost to the taxpayer. Sorry OP....it looks like you are behind the ball and in a reactionary mode.
shinbone
Woot

User ID: 8310330
United States
03/28/2012 04:20 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
yep unemployed no insurance go to court for not having it go to jail wa la free health care and food hell yeh I think that dumb ass op got it figured out. More folks in jail the better who gives a fuck if you live or die in jail.Camps whatever you want to call it.

just saying
UseLess RepEATER
Those who know the least obey the best: G.F.

User ID: 11001380
United States
03/28/2012 04:22 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
I hope they come a knockin when I don't sign up for their evil HC, eugenics plan:

macgun
Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies
~U.R.~

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
~H. L. Mencken~

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
~Plato~

When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations,
the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.
~Dresden James~
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 7529280
United States
03/28/2012 04:24 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
...


I don't think I have been rude to you in your thread. Why are you being rude to me. I'm trying to have a conversation with people who have opposing views. My views are just as important to me as yours are to you.

No, it's not stupid. What they are doing is sometimes what a Communist would do and other times they are doing what a fascist would do. Whatever it is they want to do at any given time. We are under a soft dictatorship right now, most don't realize it, but that's what it is.

The merging of government and business is called Corporatism and that is fascism. That is what Obamacare is.
It is not Obama dukeing it out for the common man, that is just bullshit.

If all it did was stick it to the insurance companies, that is one thing, but it's still got to come from somewhere to pay the ins. co. for this mandate and if people can't afford it, it will be taken out in higher taxes and higher policy rates on those who have any $ left in their paycheck.
And we have no choice in the matter at all.

Did they get rid of the fines and the jail term associated with this bill in the event people fail to cooperate with them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3702145


Look, every time an uninsured person gets treated, we pay. We pay NOW. As far as I know there is no jail time with this bill thats a bunch of shit. The bill says if you can afford it you must have it and if that is done as is done with car insurance, the price will come down.
 Quoting: Brainsdonthurtabit


Exactly. Under the current system, the law says WE have to pay for uninsured who cannot cover their critical care at the hospital. If they had to take care of themselves, as is required under Obama care, then THEY pay.

I wonder why nobody has challenged the constitutionality of the current law?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7529280


They are both unconstitutional.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3702145


OK, so the constitutionalist of Obamacare is being decided by the Supreme Court right now.

Why has nobody filed a case with the Supreme Court regarding the current system where taxpayers reimburse hospitals for patients with no insurance or money? Maybe because a reasonable case cannot be made saying that it is unconstitutional?

I remember once when I was in intensive care (and fully conscious thankfully), where the rooms were divided by glass walls. In the next room was a homeless alcoholic screaming hairy spiders with terminal liver failure. The nurses told me that the police had picked him up and delivered him to the hospital, and that the hospital had to pay for everything and then submit the bill to some government agency for reimbursement, which took a very long time. I had a job, paid my insurance, and I was covered. He had no job, spent his money on cheap wine, and I was paying for him as well.

I'm not saying I'm a huge fan of Obamacare, but one of the things it is designed to do is prevent the above situation.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13377309
Argentina
03/28/2012 04:29 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
If you make $80,000 a year you will pay $4500 for insurance a year.

Or a $2000 penalty for not buying insurance.

If you make $25,000 a year you will pay almost $1800 for insurance or $650 penalty for not buying insurance.

Doesn't anyone realize how much you will be FORCED to pay..

How many will not be able to afford to buy the insurance anyway. But will still be required to pay the penalty portion without insurance.

If this was a good idea the government wouldn't have thought of it...

31 million were added to the insurance rolls because of this law..

I predict 31 million won't be able to buy the insurance...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211208


It´s ALL about getting the peoples money Ace. Not giving people healthcare.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13322312
United States
03/28/2012 04:33 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
thank you op , for haveing the courage to stand up for your beliefs ,there many things which president OBAMA , isnt getting any credit for, but hey, look at all LBJ did , for the average american ,yet , ask a teenager on the street what they think of lbj and they prolly think your talking about a sandwinch, those who forget the past are destined to repeat it.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11293979
United States
03/28/2012 04:37 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
thank you op , for haveing the courage to stand up for your beliefs ,there many things which president OBAMA , isnt getting any credit for, but hey, look at all LBJ did , for the average american ,yet , ask a teenager on the street what they think of lbj and they prolly think your talking about a sandwinch, those who forget the past are destined to repeat it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13322312

You do realize that the same people that created the healthcare crisis are the same ones that instituted this draconian legislation....right?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13377309
Argentina
03/28/2012 04:43 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.
thank you op , for haveing the courage to stand up for your beliefs ,there many things which president OBAMA , isnt getting any credit for, but hey, look at all LBJ did , for the average american ,yet , ask a teenager on the street what they think of lbj and they prolly think your talking about a sandwinch, those who forget the past are destined to repeat it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13322312

You do realize that the same people that created the healthcare crisis are the same ones that instituted this draconian legislation....right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11293979


Buy health insurance or go to prison. But the people going without health insurance now are the ones who can´t afford it.
That´s crazy.

Loco.

News