Father Forces Thieving Son To Hold Sign On Street - "I Am A Thief" Right Or Wrong? | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 2877994 United States 03/28/2012 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "If parents caught their child stealing $100, they might ground them, get them to repay the money and maybe make them write a letter of apology. But one father from Denver is taking extreme measures to punish his son after he busted him thieving. When Joseph Gonzales discovered that his 12-year-old son, Jose, had stolen $100 from his cousin he made him stand on a street corner holding a bright yellow sign saying: 'I am a thief. I took money from a family member.'" Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 2877994 United States 03/28/2012 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "'It is holding him outside or he can go to jail. Jail is more harsh', he said. But one child psychologist has criticised Gonzales’ punishment arguing that children fail to gain insight from this type of public atonement. 'The taking-responsibility part is cool, but the rest of this is not cool. This is about shame. In the old days, we used to just shame people, hang signs around their necks in public,’ psychologist James Huysman told the Denver Post." Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] |
goodmockingbird User ID: 13333805 United States 03/28/2012 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the sign had read: "I stole something. This is my punishment" then the child would have learned cause and effect, but not been shamed as a whole person. "I am a thief" teaches the child that he is permantly a thief, and does not give him a chance to redeem himself. I Support Our First Responders |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 2877994 United States 03/28/2012 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the sign had read: Quoting: goodmockingbird "I stole something. This is my punishment" then the child would have learned cause and effect, but not been shamed as a whole person. "I am a thief" teaches the child that he is permantly a thief, and does not give him a chance to redeem himself. So like...it's implanting it inside of him this is what he is? I don't know...if he was forced to speak it out that'd be different...a sign? Not so sure I agree with you. |
CtYankee User ID: 11653208 United States 03/28/2012 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Cool...bet the kid thinks twice....also no violent...as long as a parent is on hand to watch out......my mother used to light Stero and.....well she wqs crazy and now she is gone so anyway I have been threw much worse...so what CtYankee "If at first you don't succeed, erase all evidence that you tried." -anonymous -Spouting a fountain of nonsense since 1972- Never met anyone important enough to lie to..... |
CtYankee User ID: 11653208 United States 03/28/2012 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't believe in that "It's for the children" crap......seen and not herd is wonderful....I grew up with fear and respect.....healthy combo CtYankee "If at first you don't succeed, erase all evidence that you tried." -anonymous -Spouting a fountain of nonsense since 1972- Never met anyone important enough to lie to..... |
smokahontas User ID: 13400687 United States 03/28/2012 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Love it! Absolutely the right thing to do. Humiliation is a wonderful teacher! "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1284302 United States 03/28/2012 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It makes Dad look macho, and buys him back some cred with the wronged branch of the family. Not doing wonders for the kid's psychology, would be my guess. Humiliation is a corrosive punishment. My guess is that it dances on the very fine edge of "child abuse". |
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goodmockingbird User ID: 13333805 United States 03/28/2012 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not doing wonders for the kid's psychology, would be my guess. Humiliation is a corrosive punishment. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1284302 My guess is that it dances on the very fine edge of "child abuse". Yes, it shames him as a person, rather than exposes the guilt of an isolated wrong act by that person. Big difference between shame (whole-person identity, permanent) and guilt (isolated act from which one is expected to learn and recover) I Support Our First Responders |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1284302 United States 03/28/2012 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jean Genet, the thief-turned-author, claimed to have had a similiar experience as a child, after having stolen an item from his adoptive family. He was told in no uncertain terms that he was a thief, and he internalized it and became it. A family-enforced double or triple repayment of the stolen money would be in order, but public humiliation? Real close to child abuse. Gotta feeling we'll hear more about this case when dad gets brought up on charges. Ill-applied machismo has it's consequences. |
smokahontas User ID: 13400687 United States 03/28/2012 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People have for too long raised american children from a point of veiw that they are fragile, can be broken. Not from a point of strength..that you can only make them stronger. That is why american kids are lazy, spoiled, entitled and over all giant pussies who cannot handle their peers, disappointment,or failure. Dr. Spock was a fool, this generation of children are on more prescription drugs than any generation before. They have helicopter parents who hover over them and pick them up when they fall! We need some consequence and lessons to learn how to behave, how to cope, and how to treat others. Most kids these days cant even handle face to face situations as they are always looking at a screen of some sort. Spare the rod, Spoil the child. "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12394688 United States 03/28/2012 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People have for too long raised american children from a point of veiw that they are fragile, can be broken. Not from a point of strength..that you can only make them stronger. That is why american kids are lazy, spoiled, entitled and over all giant pussies who cannot handle their peers, disappointment,or failure. Dr. Spock was a fool, this generation of children are on more prescription drugs than any generation before. They have helicopter parents who hover over them and pick them up when they fall! We need some consequence and lessons to learn how to behave, how to cope, and how to treat others. Most kids these days cant even handle face to face situations as they are always looking at a screen of some sort. Spare the rod, Spoil the child. Quoting: smokahontas |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8437259 United States 03/28/2012 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'I am a thief, I took money from a family member': Father forces stealing son, 12, to carry shaming sign on street corner' Quoting: Idgits Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT thing to do!! Kudos to dad! |
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Jack73 User ID: 12029004 United States 03/28/2012 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People have for too long raised american children from a point of veiw that they are fragile, can be broken. Not from a point of strength..that you can only make them stronger. That is why american kids are lazy, spoiled, entitled and over all giant pussies who cannot handle their peers, disappointment,or failure. Dr. Spock was a fool, this generation of children are on more prescription drugs than any generation before. They have helicopter parents who hover over them and pick them up when they fall! We need some consequence and lessons to learn how to behave, how to cope, and how to treat others. Most kids these days cant even handle face to face situations as they are always looking at a screen of some sort. Spare the rod, Spoil the child. Quoting: smokahontas + 100 Kids in the USA are for the most part Pussies- could not agree more- and good for the Father- I got my ass beat when I stole somethin- Guess what it tought me - NOT TO STEAL! |
smokahontas User ID: 13400687 United States 03/28/2012 03:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is so true, I had a healthy fear/respect for my parents, I knew they meant what they said and said what they meant. Mom always said if you want to dance you have to pay the fiddler. Kids who get a trophy when they lose, Kids who cannot resolve issues with their peers without an adult interfering, kids who do not understand inflections in the tone of voice or body language..they are a sad bunch. In the 50's if there were a school yard bully he got his ass beat and the teachers allowed them to handle it, now the kid brings a gun and shoots everyone cause you cant resolve it any other way in their minds. Parents turned the children ove to electronics in the 80's and have never looked back. Keeping up with the Jone's consumed their time, and the kids have payed for 2 generations now. "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
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double_frick User ID: 2282200 United States 03/28/2012 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'I am a thief, I took money from a family member': Father forces stealing son, 12, to carry shaming sign on street corner' Quoting: Idgits Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] could be worse.... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1623334 03/29/2012 06:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | when I was this kid`s age if I stole something I would have to pay it back/give it back, I`d have been whipped with a wet leather belt, grounded from t.v. For at least a week and probably made to write `I will never steal again` about 500 times. That verses holding a sign on a street corner...no brainer! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 13444944 Australia 03/29/2012 07:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the sign had read: Quoting: goodmockingbird "I stole something. This is my punishment" then the child would have learned cause and effect, but not been shamed as a whole person. "I am a thief" teaches the child that he is permantly a thief, and does not give him a chance to redeem himself. EXACTLY RIGHT! |