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The Two Witnesses .

 
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The Two Witnesses .
The Word makes a comparison between the two witnesses and Joshua and Zerubbabel . It does not make sense that this could apply to many people and also one or both of the witnesses will be belong to the tribe of Levi and only those can be a part of the priesthood of God and only males belong to the priesthood . For all who want a different view of the witnesses , you are welcome here and will not be banned for offering different opinions .



Revelation 11:4 calls the two witnesses “the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.” This prophecy indicates that the prophecy about the two witnesses is directly linked to (or foreshadowed by) a prophecy in Zechariah 3-4 about two individuals called the “two olive trees.” Since Revelation 11 links the two witnesses to information in Zechariah 3-4’s prophecy, a digression into Zechariah’s prophecy is necessary to understand more about the two witnesses.
The prophecy in Zechariah 3-4 gives the names “Joshua” and “Zerubbabel” to the two men called the “two olive trees” in Zechariah 4:11, and it reveals that they are alive at a time “the foundation of this house” (verse 9) has been laid down. Zechariah and Haggai were two prophets who lived at the time of Ezra and Nehemiah (Ezra 5:1, 6:14), and Zechariah’s prophecy about the “two olive trees” likens them to two of their actual contemporaries who were named Joshua and Zerubbabel. Zerubbabel was a political officer and Joshua was a High Priest at that time (Haggai 1:1, 12). Since the two historic figures called the “two olive trees” are referenced in Revelation 11 as types of the two witnesses, it could indicate that one of the two witnesses will have a political background while the other “witness” will have a priestly/ministerial background.
Zechariah 4:6 states that Zerubbabel’s power will flow from God’s Holy Spirit. This is consistent with Revelation 11:3 that God’s power will energize the two witnesses at the time of their calling. Verse 7 prophesies that a “great mountain” will become “a plain” before Zerubbabel. Mountains are used in prophecies as types of human nations (Isaiah 1:1-4 is one such example). Zerubbabel will be able to turn “a great mountain” (a very powerful nation or alliance of nations) into “a plain.” In other words, God’s power will be so strong in Zerubbabel that the military power of mighty nations (or the “beast” power” of Revelation) will be “leveled” before Zerubbabel. No human military power will be able to stand before the Divine power that will flow through the Two Witnesses. Zerubbabel had been involved in “laying the foundation of the house” (i.e. an earlier Temple) in Zechariah 4:9, which may indicate that one of the two witnesses will be involved with the effort to build a temple of God in Jerusalem in the latter days, and that these efforts will proceed from a time of very humble beginnings (“the day of small things” in Zechariah 4:10). Zerubbabel uses a “plummet,” a tool used in construction measurements. This parallels the fact that the two witnesses will emerge at a time the latter-day temple is being “measured” (Revelation 11:1-2).
Zechariah 3 is a prophecy about “Joshua,” the other “olive tree” of this prophecy and a type of the other “witness” of Revelation 11. Zechariah 3:1 mentions that Joshua was serving as the high priest in Ezra’s time, and Joshua is personified as being between an “the angel of the Lord” and Satan (who is resisting or opposing him). This “Joshua” is at a nexus of a battle being waged between good and bad angels, but the Lord decides the contest in favor of a good outcome. The Lord rebukes Satan from opposing Joshua any further and then likens Joshua to a “brand plucked from the fire.” Joshua is further depicted as being clothed in “filthy garments” as he “stood before an angel.” A “brand plucked from the fire” pictures a stick or branch that is in the process of being ignited or burned in a fire, but which is “plucked” or rescued from the fire so it is not consumed.
This “Joshua” does not emerge unscathed from the spiritual contest between good and evil angels which has raged around him. His “filthy garments” indicate he is in a sinful or personally damaged state when he is “plucked from the fire” and rescued by God. In verses 4-5, God removes Joshua’s “iniquity” and he is figuratively given new, clean garments and a fair miter (the clothing of a priest). In other words, this individual is “cleaned up” or “restored” so he can perform the duties assigned to him by God. In verses 6-8, an angel gives Joshua a charge to walk in God’s ways in order to perform the priestly duties assigned to him. This is not the first time that God has chosen a spiritually-damaged or “unfit” individual to serve him in a prophetic capacity. When Isaiah was called to be a prophet, he protested that he was unworthy because he had “unclean lips” (Isaiah 6:5), and the Apostle Paul had previously been an enemy of God when known by his earlier surname of “Saul” (Acts 8-9).
Zechariah 4:11-14 describe Joshua and Zerubbabel not only as the “two olive trees,” but also as “the two anointed ones that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.” [Emphasis added.] This strongly parallels the role of the two witnesses of Revelation 11 who will serve as two “anointed ones” who will wield Divine power in a global ministry in the latter days. The separate descriptions of “Joshua” and “Zerubbabel” apparently give us clues about some aspects of the lives of the two people who will be called by God to be the two witnesses in the latter days. If not, why would God tell us in Revelation 11 that the two witnesses are the “two olive trees” and then give us specific information in Zechariah 3-4 about the two individuals personified in these roles?

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The Death of the Two Witnesses:

At the end of their ministry, the two witnesses will be slain by the beast and false prophet (Revelation 11:7). God’s representatives will be slain by the two evil world leaders. Revelation 11:9 prophesies people from all “kindreds, tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies…” This event will undoubtedly be given “wall to wall” coverage on the world’s broadcast, satellite and cable TV networks and the internet. It is only possible to fulfill this prophecy literally if a global televised capacity is in place. That it does exist now is further evidence that our modern world has entered the “latter days” when these prophesies can be fulfilled literally, not allegorically. The two witnesses are aptly named: the word “witnesses” come from the same Greek root word for the word “martyr.”
Given the immense power that the two witnesses will wield, it is likely that they will die by choosing not to use their supernatural powers at the end of their ministry and by laying down their lives voluntarily in order to fulfill Revelation 9:7’s prophecy. Jesus Christ could have called twelve legions to his rescue with a single word and annihilated the Romans and all his enemies at Golgotha. He chose not to use his power in order to fulfill God’s Divine will and prophecies. I think the two witnesses will make a similar choice, because the satanic power in the beast and false prophet will never be capable of defeating the power of God flowing through the two witnesses.
Revelation 11:7-10 states the beast and false prophet will “make war” upon the two witnesses and kill them when the two witnesses 3 and ½ year ministry is over. This begs the question: How will people know when that time is approaching? Will their three and ½ year ministry begin when a temple is dedicated in Jerusalem, when they perform their first miracle or at some other time? The Bible doesn’t give us a specific statement to recognize the instant when their ministry begins. The Bible does prophecy they will wield awesome Divine powers, but will they do that from “day one” of their ministry or will the miracles start later on during their ministry? The beast and false prophet will have a very short and hollow “victory.” They will be executed by Jesus Christ when he returns and sentences them to be burnt alive (Revelation 19:11-20). Luke 19:11-27 contains a parable about how Jesus will reward the saints when he returns to the earth after a long absence. This parable also foretells in verse 27 that Jesus will also say: “those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring them hither and slay them before me.” The beast and false prophet will be the foremost ones so sentenced, but they will not be alone. Revelation 19:19-21 relates that the political leaders allied to the beast and false prophet and the armies they command will be killed and their corpses fed to the animals and birds. Ezekiel 39:1-21 parallels this same intervention of God, the slaying of mass numbers of those fighting God and the feeding of their fallen carcasses to the animals and birds.
Revelation 11:8 foretells the dead bodies of the two witnesses will not be buried, but will be displayed publicly for three and ½ days. It is apparent they will die in the city of Jerusalem as it is the city where “our Lord was crucified.” Since most people will not be aware of biblical prophecy, the beast and false prophet will surely proclaim the death of the two witnesses affirms that they, the beast and false prophet, now rule supreme on the earth. Revelation 11:9-11 indicates that almost everyone on earth will accept their sovereignty and rule. A few will refuse and they will be fiercely persecuted. The remaining believers in God will then either be martyred or Divinely protected as the very next chapter, Revelation 12 explains. Revelation 12:13-17 prophesies that Satan (who energizes the beast and false prophet) will seek to kill the “woman” (a type of God’s people); however, many of God’s people will be miraculously protected for “a time, times and half a time.” Some Christians see this as another three and1/2 year period, but I do not. The word translated “time” or “times” does not literally mean “years.” It simply means three and half segments of “a fixed [period of] time. By itself, this prophetic phrase could indicate three and ½ years, months, weeks or days. However, connecting it to the context of Revelation 11’s prophecy about the two witnesses indicates the correct meaning is “three and ½ days.”
During the three and ½ years of the two witnesses’ ministry, their superior divine power will be sufficient to protect God’s people on the earth. They can plague anyone who dares to harm God’s people during their ministry. At the end of their ministry, it will be abundantly evident whether people are with or against the two witnesses because those with them will not have been plagued and those resisting them will have been plagued. Those resisting the two witnesses will grow increasingly hateful toward those people not plagued by the two witnesses, and their desire for vengeance will be unleashed when the two witnesses die. Revelation 11:9 prophesies the two witnesses will remain dead for three and ½ days, and it would be in such a time when their power is removed from the world that God’s peoples will need Divine protection. Revelation 12:14 prophesies many will receive that protection for the three and ½ “times” (i.e. “days”) that the two witnesses are dead. Others will not be protected and will be martyred or persecuted by the beast and the false prophet’s followers during that three and ½ day period (Revelation 12:17).
The beast and false prophet will have to concoct some lies to explain why the two witnesses were able to wield such power for three and ½ years. The masses will gullibly swallow these lies and will celebrate the turn of events (Revelation 11:10). Since the two witnesses will be protected by Divine power from attack and will wield Divine powers for years, perhaps the masses will be deceived into believing a science fiction explanation for their supernatural powers. After all, many science fiction films are based on the common theme of the earth’s people uniting against an “invader from outer space.” Jesus, his saints and his angels will literally be an invading force from the heavens when they come (Matthew 24:27, 30-31, Revelation 19:11-16, compare Isaiah 34:1-4 with Revelation 6:12-14, etc.). It could be an “easy sell” to rationalize the two witnesses’ power by claiming it was provided by some alien intelligence. All nations will oppose Jesus Christ’s army when he returns with his heavenly army a short time later (Revelation 19:19) so the beast and false prophet will likely deceive the world into thinking that the death of the two witnesses indicates that the world can now successfully resist the “alien” power that energized the two witnesses. Whatever lies and deceptions are used, those who join the beast and false prophet in fighting Jesus Christ‘s Divine army when it arrives later will be slain (remember Zechariah 14:12-13, Revelation 19:11-20, Luke 19:27, Ezekiel 39).
Revelation 11:10 prophesies a great celebration will begin all over the earth after the two witnesses are killed. This global celebration is almost certainly the same time pictured in I Thessalonians 5:2-3 when just prior to the “the day of the Lord” the world is proclaiming the arrival of a time “of peace and safety.” I Thessalonians 5:3 reveals that the world’s expectation of a time of “peace of safety” is short-lived as “sudden destruction” comes upon the earth and they cannot “escape” it. Revelation 11, the prophecy about the two witnesses, agrees. The time of celebration which follows the death of the two witnesses swiftly segues into another “woe” which befalls the earth.
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This phrase is very interesting and much can be learned from it .

These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. Revelation 11:4

At that time the LORD set apart the tribe of Levi to carry the ark of the covenant of the LORD, to stand before the LORD to minister and to pronounce blessings in his name, as they still do today. Deuteronomy 10:8

We can see here that one or both of the witnesses will be from the tribe of Levi since only they can stand before the Lord of the Earth .
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This is the clincher for me and it all has to do with the Law of God . The two witnesses will be testifying against the whole World and before Judgement can be pronounced , they need to give their testimony .

On the testimony of two or three witnesses a man shall be put to death, but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of only one witness. Deuteronomy 17:6
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1JOHN 5:6

This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.

Revelation 11

Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. (John was given a COUNTING piece so to speak) And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. (Count ALL the sons of Abraham from the foundation of the world till it's end) But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles.
And they will tread (Gentiles did not know the needed Salvation until It was delivered to us, we mocked the things of God out of ignorance) the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. (“42” generations from Abraham to Jesus Christ)
And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, (1260 divided by 360 = 42 months “42” generations from Abraham to Jesus Christ) clothed in sackcloth.”
These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.
(Christ was on earth in many forms since creation….)

Read Zechariah 4 “Vision of the Lampstands and Olive Trees”
THE “WATER AND THE BLOOD” FLOWING FROM CHRIST SIDE ON THE CROSS ARE THE TWO WITNESSES!

And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire. (Before Abraham was “I AM”) The above is speaking of every event listed in “The Entire Bible is Pertaining To CHRIST” EVERY PROPHET, EVERY SACRIFICE, MOSES IN EGYPT, AND ON AND ON!) This is AWESOME REVELATION

(He lead His chosen people for 42 generations from creation, to the time when sin was at it’s fullness and then came in the “form of man” and allowed man to kill Him so He could deliver us from our bondage, THAT IS LOVE!)

When they finish their testimony, (After 42 generations the time was ripe for Jesus Christ to be born of a virgin and save His people from sin by dying for us in our sinful condition)
the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

(Amen, Jesus Christ is risen from death and the grave victoriously)
Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. (CHRIST appeared to many people for 40 days after His resurrection and seeing HIM would have greatly startled everyone! Read Acts 1:3)
And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. ( God wishes none would perish, I believe HIS enemies spoken of here are Satan and his demons, who were all sitting in the bleachers as HIS death had unfolded before their eyes and they thought they had won!)( GOD’S beef is not with man it is with Satan!) In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.
Then the seventh angel sounded: (JESUS CHRIST THE VICTOR IS THE SEVENTH !)
And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” ( CHRIST ON HIS THRONE IN HEAVEN!)
And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying:


“ We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was and who is to come, ( You lived and died and rose from the dead!)
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned. ( You have taken the keys of death and the grave from Satan, the earth can no longer hold us as it’s slaves in any form!)
The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, ( God poured out His wrath on His Son! )
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, ( “NOW” men will only be judged by “YOU” )
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,(Thank Jesus, eternal life is ours brothers and sisters!)
And those who fear Your name, small and great, (“God is very just”, all Christians win heaven)
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.” ( Satan and his demons destroyed the earth!)


Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple.
( JESUS CHRIST is THE TEMPLE, JESUS CHRIST is THE ARK, JESUS CHRIST is HIS COVENANT!)
And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.
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With these verses I can show you that your theory is wrong . This will only be possible with television .

7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

That could not have happened back then but it can now with 24hour media coverage .
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This will only be possible with the advent of technology , specifically TV .


7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.


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Re: The Two Witnesses .
1JOHN 5:6

This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.

Revelation 11

Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. (John was given a COUNTING piece so to speak) And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. (Count ALL the sons of Abraham from the foundation of the world till it's end) But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles.
And they will tread (Gentiles did not know the needed Salvation until It was delivered to us, we mocked the things of God out of ignorance) the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. (“42” generations from Abraham to Jesus Christ)
And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, (1260 divided by 360 = 42 months “42” generations from Abraham to Jesus Christ) clothed in sackcloth.”
These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.
(Christ was on earth in many forms since creation….)

Read Zechariah 4 “Vision of the Lampstands and Olive Trees”
THE “WATER AND THE BLOOD” FLOWING FROM CHRIST SIDE ON THE CROSS ARE THE TWO WITNESSES!

And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire. (Before Abraham was “I AM”) The above is speaking of every event listed in “The Entire Bible is Pertaining To CHRIST” EVERY PROPHET, EVERY SACRIFICE, MOSES IN EGYPT, AND ON AND ON!) This is AWESOME REVELATION

(He lead His chosen people for 42 generations from creation, to the time when sin was at it’s fullness and then came in the “form of man” and allowed man to kill Him so He could deliver us from our bondage, THAT IS LOVE!)

When they finish their testimony, (After 42 generations the time was ripe for Jesus Christ to be born of a virgin and save His people from sin by dying for us in our sinful condition)
the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

(Amen, Jesus Christ is risen from death and the grave victoriously)
Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. (CHRIST appeared to many people for 40 days after His resurrection and seeing HIM would have greatly startled everyone! Read Acts 1:3)
And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. ( God wishes none would perish, I believe HIS enemies spoken of here are Satan and his demons, who were all sitting in the bleachers as HIS death had unfolded before their eyes and they thought they had won!)( GOD’S beef is not with man it is with Satan!) In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.
Then the seventh angel sounded: (JESUS CHRIST THE VICTOR IS THE SEVENTH !)
And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” ( CHRIST ON HIS THRONE IN HEAVEN!)
And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying:


“ We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was and who is to come, ( You lived and died and rose from the dead!)
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned. ( You have taken the keys of death and the grave from Satan, the earth can no longer hold us as it’s slaves in any form!)
The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, ( God poured out His wrath on His Son! )
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, ( “NOW” men will only be judged by “YOU” )
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,(Thank Jesus, eternal life is ours brothers and sisters!)
And those who fear Your name, small and great, (“God is very just”, all Christians win heaven)
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.” ( Satan and his demons destroyed the earth!)


Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple.
( JESUS CHRIST is THE TEMPLE, JESUS CHRIST is THE ARK, JESUS CHRIST is HIS COVENANT!)
And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.
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I don't agree but thanks for your comments .
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I am making this thread because Neim banned me again from his thread because his ego won't let him be proved wrong . Pathetic !

The Word makes a comparison between the two witnesses and Joshua and Zerubbabel . It does not make sense that this could apply to many people and also both of the witnesses will be belong to the tribe of Levi and only those can be a part of the priesthood of God and only males belong to the priesthood . For all who want a different view of the witnesses , you are welcome here and will not be banned for offering different opinions .



Revelation 11:4 calls the two witnesses “the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.” This prophecy indicates that the prophecy about the two witnesses is directly linked to (or foreshadowed by) a prophecy in Zechariah 3-4 about two individuals called the “two olive trees.” Since Revelation 11 links the two witnesses to information in Zechariah 3-4’s prophecy, a digression into Zechariah’s prophecy is necessary to understand more about the two witnesses.
The prophecy in Zechariah 3-4 gives the names “Joshua” and “Zerubbabel” to the two men called the “two olive trees” in Zechariah 4:11, and it reveals that they are alive at a time “the foundation of this house” (verse 9) has been laid down. Zechariah and Haggai were two prophets who lived at the time of Ezra and Nehemiah (Ezra 5:1, 6:14), and Zechariah’s prophecy about the “two olive trees” likens them to two of their actual contemporaries who were named Joshua and Zerubbabel. Zerubbabel was a political officer and Joshua was a High Priest at that time (Haggai 1:1, 12). Since the two historic figures called the “two olive trees” are referenced in Revelation 11 as types of the two witnesses, it could indicate that one of the two witnesses will have a political background while the other “witness” will have a priestly/ministerial background.
Zechariah 4:6 states that Zerubbabel’s power will flow from God’s Holy Spirit. This is consistent with Revelation 11:3 that God’s power will energize the two witnesses at the time of their calling. Verse 7 prophesies that a “great mountain” will become “a plain” before Zerubbabel. Mountains are used in prophecies as types of human nations (Isaiah 1:1-4 is one such example). Zerubbabel will be able to turn “a great mountain” (a very powerful nation or alliance of nations) into “a plain.” In other words, God’s power will be so strong in Zerubbabel that the military power of mighty nations (or the “beast” power” of Revelation) will be “leveled” before Zerubbabel. No human military power will be able to stand before the Divine power that will flow through the Two Witnesses. Zerubbabel had been involved in “laying the foundation of the house” (i.e. an earlier Temple) in Zechariah 4:9, which may indicate that one of the two witnesses will be involved with the effort to build a temple of God in Jerusalem in the latter days, and that these efforts will proceed from a time of very humble beginnings (“the day of small things” in Zechariah 4:10). Zerubbabel uses a “plummet,” a tool used in construction measurements. This parallels the fact that the two witnesses will emerge at a time the latter-day temple is being “measured” (Revelation 11:1-2).
Zechariah 3 is a prophecy about “Joshua,” the other “olive tree” of this prophecy and a type of the other “witness” of Revelation 11. Zechariah 3:1 mentions that Joshua was serving as the high priest in Ezra’s time, and Joshua is personified as being between an “the angel of the Lord” and Satan (who is resisting or opposing him). This “Joshua” is at a nexus of a battle being waged between good and bad angels, but the Lord decides the contest in favor of a good outcome. The Lord rebukes Satan from opposing Joshua any further and then likens Joshua to a “brand plucked from the fire.” Joshua is further depicted as being clothed in “filthy garments” as he “stood before an angel.” A “brand plucked from the fire” pictures a stick or branch that is in the process of being ignited or burned in a fire, but which is “plucked” or rescued from the fire so it is not consumed.
This “Joshua” does not emerge unscathed from the spiritual contest between good and evil angels which has raged around him. His “filthy garments” indicate he is in a sinful or personally damaged state when he is “plucked from the fire” and rescued by God. In verses 4-5, God removes Joshua’s “iniquity” and he is figuratively given new, clean garments and a fair miter (the clothing of a priest). In other words, this individual is “cleaned up” or “restored” so he can perform the duties assigned to him by God. In verses 6-8, an angel gives Joshua a charge to walk in God’s ways in order to perform the priestly duties assigned to him. This is not the first time that God has chosen a spiritually-damaged or “unfit” individual to serve him in a prophetic capacity. When Isaiah was called to be a prophet, he protested that he was unworthy because he had “unclean lips” (Isaiah 6:5), and the Apostle Paul had previously been an enemy of God when known by his earlier surname of “Saul” (Acts 8-9).
Zechariah 4:11-14 describe Joshua and Zerubbabel not only as the “two olive trees,” but also as “the two anointed ones that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.” [Emphasis added.] This strongly parallels the role of the two witnesses of Revelation 11 who will serve as two “anointed ones” who will wield Divine power in a global ministry in the latter days. The separate descriptions of “Joshua” and “Zerubbabel” apparently give us clues about some aspects of the lives of the two people who will be called by God to be the two witnesses in the latter days. If not, why would God tell us in Revelation 11 that the two witnesses are the “two olive trees” and then give us specific information in Zechariah 3-4 about the two individuals personified in these roles?
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This is the clincher for me and it all has to do with the Law of God . The two witnesses will be testifying against the whole World and before Judgement can be pronounced , they need to give their testimony .

On the testimony of two or three witnesses a man shall be put to death, but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of only one witness. Deuteronomy 17:6
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OP, please read Revelation 11 using these words in place of they them and such.

Use instead the words; HE, HIS, HIM, JESUS.....

Now remember the scene AT and AFTER the Crusifixon

You will find the complete story of Jesus Christ death and resurrection within Revelation 11, you will see He was not given rest... even after He was killed.... the Jewish leaders were afraid He would resurrect so they set Temple guards to GUARD THE TRUE TEMPLE OF GOD, CHRIST DID INDEED SAY REVELATION IS HIS TESTIMONY!
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This is the clincher for me and it all has to do with the Law of God . The two witnesses will be testifying against the whole World and before Judgement can be pronounced , they need to give their testimony .

On the testimony of two or three witnesses a man shall be put to death, but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of only one witness. Deuteronomy 17:6
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OP, please read Revelation 11 using these words in place of they them and such.

Use instead the words; HE, HIS, HIM, JESUS.....

Now remember the scene AT and AFTER the Crusifixon

You will find the complete story of Jesus Christ death and resurrection within Revelation 11, you will see He was not given rest... even after He was killed.... the Jewish leaders were afraid He would resurrect so they set Temple guards to GUARD THE TRUE TEMPLE OF GOD, CHRIST DID INDEED SAY REVELATION IS HIS TESTIMONY!
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can u guys repost and then sum up breifly?
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i was also banned on his thread and accused of being you and having switched IP address. LOL what a fool. i find several of his actions red flags and i mentioned them in his thread. he refused to answer any of my questions... hello... what does that say. how pitiful?
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OP, Revelation IS Jesus Testimony!

REVELATION 14:20


And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs.


The Romans measured Israel during the time of Christ as 1600 furlongs!

(From North to South Israel’s length was 1600 furlongs as measured by the Romans!) ( SALVATION WAS OFFERED TO ALL OF ISRAEL!) ( Christ died FIRST for the jewish people )
THE FOLLOWING links ARE FROM ISRAEL 2000 YEARS AGO VIA ROMAN MEASUREMENTS 1600 FURLONGS !

The horse’s bridles are the northern and southern borders of Judah during the time of Christ!



1. Revelation and the Destruction of Jerusalem - Sabbath More Fully
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David Chilton, in his book, Days of Vengeance, page 376, notes that 1600 furlongs is the length of literal Israel, as measured by Rome during the time of the ...
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This is the clincher for me and it all has to do with the Law of God . The two witnesses will be testifying against the whole World and before Judgement can be pronounced , they need to give their testimony .

On the testimony of two or three witnesses a man shall be put to death, but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of only one witness. Deuteronomy 17:6
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OP, please read Revelation 11 using these words in place of they them and such.

Use instead the words; HE, HIS, HIM, JESUS.....

Now remember the scene AT and AFTER the Crusifixon

You will find the complete story of Jesus Christ death and resurrection within Revelation 11, you will see He was not given rest... even after He was killed.... the Jewish leaders were afraid He would resurrect so they set Temple guards to GUARD THE TRUE TEMPLE OF GOD, CHRIST DID INDEED SAY REVELATION IS HIS TESTIMONY!
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But we can't just twist scripture to suit our own interpretations my friend , we have to read it and apply it in its correct context .
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This is the clincher for me and it all has to do with the Law of God . The two witnesses will be testifying against the whole World and before Judgement can be pronounced , they need to give their testimony .

On the testimony of two or three witnesses a man shall be put to death, but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of only one witness. Deuteronomy 17:6
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OP, please read Revelation 11 using these words in place of they them and such.

Use instead the words; HE, HIS, HIM, JESUS.....

Now remember the scene AT and AFTER the Crusifixon

You will find the complete story of Jesus Christ death and resurrection within Revelation 11, you will see He was not given rest... even after He was killed.... the Jewish leaders were afraid He would resurrect so they set Temple guards to GUARD THE TRUE TEMPLE OF GOD, CHRIST DID INDEED SAY REVELATION IS HIS TESTIMONY!
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can u guys repost and then sum up breifly?
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Hey , I was just making this thread to show that the two witnesses will be two individuals and not two groups of peoples . The Word is clear on that . It is very dangerous to twist scripture because when the two witnesses show up , people could believe them to be the Beast and his false Prophet and damn themselves to the lake of fire for rejecting their testimony .
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i was also banned on his thread and accused of being you and having switched IP address. LOL what a fool. i find several of his actions red flags and i mentioned them in his thread. he refused to answer any of my questions... hello... what does that say. how pitiful?
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Yep lol he is quite paranoid like that . Pathetic to delete scripture because it contradicts his own biased interpretations .
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This is the clincher for me and it all has to do with the Law of God . The two witnesses will be testifying against the whole World and before Judgement can be pronounced , they need to give their testimony .

On the testimony of two or three witnesses a man shall be put to death, but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of only one witness. Deuteronomy 17:6
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OP, please read Revelation 11 using these words in place of they them and such.

Use instead the words; HE, HIS, HIM, JESUS.....

Now remember the scene AT and AFTER the Crusifixon

You will find the complete story of Jesus Christ death and resurrection within Revelation 11, you will see He was not given rest... even after He was killed.... the Jewish leaders were afraid He would resurrect so they set Temple guards to GUARD THE TRUE TEMPLE OF GOD, CHRIST DID INDEED SAY REVELATION IS HIS TESTIMONY!
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But we can't just twist scripture to suit our own interpretations my friend , we have to read it and apply it in its correct context .
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Don't you see the book of Revelation IS THE TESTIMONY OF
CHRIST?

OK, look at it this way...... the seven Churches are THE MENORA IN THE JEWISH TEMPLE..... WE GENTILES ARE GRAFTED INTO THE SEVEN!

THIS IS THE NEW COVENANT

GENTILES ARE GRAFTED INTO THE SEVEN!
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This is the clincher for me and it all has to do with the Law of God . The two witnesses will be testifying against the whole World and before Judgement can be pronounced , they need to give their testimony .

On the testimony of two or three witnesses a man shall be put to death, but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of only one witness. Deuteronomy 17:6
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13573309


OP, please read Revelation 11 using these words in place of they them and such.

Use instead the words; HE, HIS, HIM, JESUS.....

Now remember the scene AT and AFTER the Crusifixon

You will find the complete story of Jesus Christ death and resurrection within Revelation 11, you will see He was not given rest... even after He was killed.... the Jewish leaders were afraid He would resurrect so they set Temple guards to GUARD THE TRUE TEMPLE OF GOD, CHRIST DID INDEED SAY REVELATION IS HIS TESTIMONY!
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But we can't just twist scripture to suit our own interpretations my friend , we have to read it and apply it in its correct context .
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Don't you see the book of Revelation IS THE TESTIMONY OF
CHRIST?

OK, look at it this way...... the seven Churches are THE MENORA IN THE JEWISH TEMPLE..... WE GENTILES ARE GRAFTED INTO THE SEVEN!

THIS IS THE NEW COVENANT

GENTILES ARE GRAFTED INTO THE SEVEN!
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Yeah I agree with that but not the other stuff .
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OP, please read Revelation 11 using these words in place of they them and such.

Use instead the words; HE, HIS, HIM, JESUS.....

Now remember the scene AT and AFTER the Crusifixon

You will find the complete story of Jesus Christ death and resurrection within Revelation 11, you will see He was not given rest... even after He was killed.... the Jewish leaders were afraid He would resurrect so they set Temple guards to GUARD THE TRUE TEMPLE OF GOD, CHRIST DID INDEED SAY REVELATION IS HIS TESTIMONY!
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But we can't just twist scripture to suit our own interpretations my friend , we have to read it and apply it in its correct context .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13573309


Don't you see the book of Revelation IS THE TESTIMONY OF
CHRIST?

OK, look at it this way...... the seven Churches are THE MENORA IN THE JEWISH TEMPLE..... WE GENTILES ARE GRAFTED INTO THE SEVEN!

THIS IS THE NEW COVENANT

GENTILES ARE GRAFTED INTO THE SEVEN!
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Yeah I agree with that but not the other stuff .
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Do you disagree with Jesus Christ? He said IT IS FINISHED!

Jesus gave us His testimony, He first must be dead to be a testator!

Do you really think He meant it is not finished?
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“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book,” Revelation 22:18, 19.
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Don't be singling out any member like you did in the original post, OP. That isn't permitted.
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But we can't just twist scripture to suit our own interpretations my friend , we have to read it and apply it in its correct context .
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Don't you see the book of Revelation IS THE TESTIMONY OF
CHRIST?

OK, look at it this way...... the seven Churches are THE MENORA IN THE JEWISH TEMPLE..... WE GENTILES ARE GRAFTED INTO THE SEVEN!

THIS IS THE NEW COVENANT

GENTILES ARE GRAFTED INTO THE SEVEN!
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Yeah I agree with that but not the other stuff .
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Do you disagree with Jesus Christ? He said IT IS FINISHED!

Jesus gave us His testimony, He first must be dead to be a testator!

Do you really think He meant it is not finished?
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He meant his sacrifice and mission was finished . The two witnesses will have the same testimony that Yeshua had . If they didn't , they would be false Prophets .
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Don't be singling out any member like you did in the original post, OP. That isn't permitted.
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“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book,” Revelation 22:18, 19.
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You are taking away from the testimony of Jesus Christ if you confess He did not finish His work on earth 2000 years ago!

The testimony of Jesus Christ has nothing to be added too!
What we must do is to believe His testimony is indeed His testimony.
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“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book,” Revelation 22:18, 19.
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You are taking away from the testimony of Jesus Christ if you confess He did not finish His work on earth 2000 years ago!

The testimony of Jesus Christ has nothing to be added too!
What we must do is to believe His testimony is indeed His testimony.
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No I am not ! I already told you they will have the same testimony . I said he finished his mission and sacrifice in my last post .
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“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book,” Revelation 22:18, 19.
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You are taking away from the testimony of Jesus Christ if you confess He did not finish His work on earth 2000 years ago!

The testimony of Jesus Christ has nothing to be added too!
What we must do is to believe His testimony is indeed His testimony.
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No I am not ! I already told you they will have the same testimony . I said he finished his mission and sacrifice in my last post .
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Just a question; why then do you believe extra things will take place in Revelation that have already happened?

Yes His mission and sacrifice were complete.... so why not read His testimony as His life here on earth. The book of Revelation is written as a parable for this very reason; so the fishermen and rednecks of the earth can understand it.
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“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book,” Revelation 22:18, 19.
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You are taking away from the testimony of Jesus Christ if you confess He did not finish His work on earth 2000 years ago!

The testimony of Jesus Christ has nothing to be added too!
What we must do is to believe His testimony is indeed His testimony.
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No I am not ! I already told you they will have the same testimony . I said he finished his mission and sacrifice in my last post .
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Just a question; why then do you believe extra things will take place in Revelation that have already happened?

Yes His mission and sacrifice were complete.... so why not read His testimony as His life here on earth. The book of Revelation is written as a parable for this very reason; so the fishermen and rednecks of the earth can understand it.
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Because the book of Revelation says so , because Yeshua himself has told us these things must happen before he comes back .
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“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book,” Revelation 22:18, 19.
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You are taking away from the testimony of Jesus Christ if you confess He did not finish His work on earth 2000 years ago!

The testimony of Jesus Christ has nothing to be added too!
What we must do is to believe His testimony is indeed His testimony.
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No I am not ! I already told you they will have the same testimony . I said he finished his mission and sacrifice in my last post .
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Just a question; why then do you believe extra things will take place in Revelation that have already happened?

Yes His mission and sacrifice were complete.... so why not read His testimony as His life here on earth. The book of Revelation is written as a parable for this very reason; so the fishermen and rednecks of the earth can understand it.
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Why do YOU deny these things ?
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You are taking away from the testimony of Jesus Christ if you confess He did not finish His work on earth 2000 years ago!

The testimony of Jesus Christ has nothing to be added too!
What we must do is to believe His testimony is indeed His testimony.
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No I am not ! I already told you they will have the same testimony . I said he finished his mission and sacrifice in my last post .
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Just a question; why then do you believe extra things will take place in Revelation that have already happened?

Yes His mission and sacrifice were complete.... so why not read His testimony as His life here on earth. The book of Revelation is written as a parable for this very reason; so the fishermen and rednecks of the earth can understand it.
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Because the book of Revelation says so , because Yeshua himself has told us these things must happen before he comes back .
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Yes, they have all happened except for His return.
IT IS FINISHED
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“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book,” Revelation 22:18, 19.
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You are taking away from the testimony of Jesus Christ if you confess He did not finish His work on earth 2000 years ago!

The testimony of Jesus Christ has nothing to be added too!
What we must do is to believe His testimony is indeed His testimony.
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