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The Two Witnesses .

 
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No I am not ! I already told you they will have the same testimony . I said he finished his mission and sacrifice in my last post .
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Just a question; why then do you believe extra things will take place in Revelation that have already happened?

Yes His mission and sacrifice were complete.... so why not read His testimony as His life here on earth. The book of Revelation is written as a parable for this very reason; so the fishermen and rednecks of the earth can understand it.
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Because the book of Revelation says so , because Yeshua himself has told us these things must happen before he comes back .
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Yes, they have all happened except for His return.
IT IS FINISHED
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Oh yes , how could I have forgotten about this part , about the Angels of wrath !

"Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!'' (Revelation 5:11,12).

And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. Revelation 9:15

Please tell me when this occurred ??? Checkmate to that other false teaching !
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Just a question; why then do you believe extra things will take place in Revelation that have already happened?

Yes His mission and sacrifice were complete.... so why not read His testimony as His life here on earth. The book of Revelation is written as a parable for this very reason; so the fishermen and rednecks of the earth can understand it.
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Because the book of Revelation says so , because Yeshua himself has told us these things must happen before he comes back .
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Yes, they have all happened except for His return.
IT IS FINISHED
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Oh yes , how could I have forgotten about this part , about the Angels of wrath !

And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. Revelation 9:15

Please tell me when this occurred ??? Checkmate to that other false teaching !
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Fixed .
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Preterism cannot be reconciled with scripture.

IMHO.

God Bless.

peace,
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Revelation 6:14-17, "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Really ??? This all happened already ? Please tell me what year this all took place ?
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Preterism cannot be reconciled with scripture.

IMHO.

God Bless.

peace,
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Amen and God bless you too my Brother .
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Oh yes , how could I have forgotten about this part , about the Angels of wrath !

"Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!'' (Revelation 5:11,12).

And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. Revelation 9:15

Please tell me when this occurred ??? Checkmate to that other false teaching !


OK, MAN IS 1/3rd FLESH.... 1/3rd MIND..... 1/3rd SPIRIT!

One Third of mankind is what Satan killed! Satan killed the body of Jesus Christ! ONE THIRD OF MANKIND WAS KILLED!
Jesus Christ died in our stead, He fooled the devil and rose again to life on the third day!
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Oh yes , how could I have forgotten about this part , about the Angels of wrath !

"Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!'' (Revelation 5:11,12).

And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. Revelation 9:15

Please tell me when this occurred ??? Checkmate to that other false teaching !
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OK, MAN IS 1/3rd FLESH.... 1/3rd MIND..... 1/3rd SPIRIT!

One Third of mankind is what Satan killed! Satan killed the body of Jesus Christ! ONE THIRD OF MANKIND WAS KILLED!
Jesus Christ died in our stead, He fooled the devil and rose again to life on the third day!


Nonsense .
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Checkmate .
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Revelation 6:14-17, "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Really ??? This all happened already ? Please tell me what year this all took place ?
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Yes this happened after Christ was laid in the grave!

The 4 horsemen......

1. Christ coming into the world as king, conquering and in the end of His life He conqured!

2. Jesus Christ did not come to bring peace, but a GREAT SWORD!

3. Jesus Christ carried the scales to Calvary on His shoulder, He had 4 quarts ob blood1 quart of Red cells and 3 quarts of white cells, His Father said from heaven to Satan....... DO NOT HARM HIS HOLY SPIRIT!

4. Jesus Christ took the keys of the SECOND death from Satan!

5. Jesus Christ descended to Hades for 3 days and preached to the souls there!

6. The sun was darkened and the moon turned to blood!
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Checkmate .
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I am not playing a religious game friend.... eternity is far more serious than to think you can one up a brother, we are to be helping each other....I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY!
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Checkmate .
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I am not playing a religious game friend.... eternity is far more serious than to think you can one up a brother, we are to be helping each other....I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY!
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Sorry that was not directed to you :)
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understand that all of those books have been

SHITTED ON


its complete mess
These dayz through THA REAL RAP (element of hip-hop)
-> (THERE iS NO REAL RAP ON TV or RADiOs) <-
is the only way youths listen to
the Prophets !!!


PROOF -> CAN YOU CATCH iT???

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rememba: FEAR iS THA MiND-KiLLAH

LiGHT = iNFORMATiON ;D

peace2daUNIVERSE
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understand that all of those books have been

SHITTED ON


its complete mess
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How so ?
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understand that all of those books have been

SHITTED ON


its complete mess
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How so ?
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man listen

open your mind

all ALL of those books

Torah, Bible, Qur'an..

they were written WHEN ??


like between 100 and 300 generations?



Again - you still think

NOBODY - nobody never ever ''touched'' ???

ehehehehehhehe

first of all


NONE OF THEM WERE WRITTEN IN ENGLISH...



those books only kept and keep THE REAL SECRET ..



GOD IS COMING : )))


all other is ment to

MESS WITH OUR HEADS...

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These dayz through THA REAL RAP (element of hip-hop)
-> (THERE iS NO REAL RAP ON TV or RADiOs) <-
is the only way youths listen to
the Prophets !!!


PROOF -> CAN YOU CATCH iT???

[link to www.youtube.com]

rememba: FEAR iS THA MiND-KiLLAH

LiGHT = iNFORMATiON ;D

peace2daUNIVERSE
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Yes the Spirit and the Truth...The Word of God is True and Faithful....all men are liars and god be Truth... and no other has this name or can know it but Jesus Christ who is the spirit of prophecy The Word of God foretold would come and indeed He Jesus Christ which is the spirit of prophecy came as He had foretold by spirit in The Word of God inspired and moved upon men of old to write ....this same Jesus Christ indeed came God in the flesh...The Word of God is written upon Him.......as well as true and Faithful and True Witness.

Revelation 19:10.......a messenger is an angel The Word of God is inspired unseen breathed out The Word of God by God who is that same Spirit..........not a ministering spirit that is the messenger but the actual message is Spirit of God imparted given unto and into those who believe and accept it.....Living Word of God.

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

We come to receive the understanding of God of our Father who is revealed unto us by The Truth that the Word of God became flesh and was God.......with us the face of God we now see manifested in flesh He that was now is.....and is to come again.

Revelation 19:12-13
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

One Lord...One God and they are the same...for He the spirit of prophecy bore witness of the same "The Word of God" Written by the same One who breathed/ inspiration of the "spirit of prophecy" who was that same Spirit of God who became flesh and bear testimony of him own self God in the flesh......and Lord unto all who believe Him savior is He to them.....For he is the same as the Father.....for they are One......and the same..



The Word Of God became flesh ....these two The Spirit which inspired breathed though and in the men in the past to write that what foretold of that One that was to come......In the flesh the same Spirit of Truth that was and is "The Faithful" ....and "True Witness" and all men are liars and none are good but "God who is a Spirit and now has a face we beheld and will behold".....came in the flesh and fulfilled all things written foretelling of this One Him that was to come as foretold.....

The Holy Spirit of God testifies and confirms The Word of God already written and sealed up and given unto all men who seek it and believe and keep it.....

The Holy spirit of God brings all unto The Truth
.... ...that if they do not reject The Truth because they love a lie instead........These two The Word of God and the Spirit of God /Christ....that same spirit that liveth in Paul that speaketh not Paul but Christ. These two Spirit and god in the flesh the Word of God in flesh are of heaven and came unto earth bearing witness One of the other they are One....The two are One the first unseen and had no face but of Spirit only the second came and gave us a face in the flesh He came and was and is The face of God our Father..God is with us.....and always will be with us even unto the ends of the earth....He has always been He will always be The Eternal God...The Almighty....none can be Him none can do what He has done nor can they do what He did nor can they do He does.

With two or more witnesses a things is established as true...as the truth bound in earth two witnesses bound in heaven what they witnessed of on earth that was of heaven and came down from heaven..John the Baptist was that Holy Spirit filled man who stood and bore witness of this Is The One foretold to come..Behold The lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world...The Messiah the Savior The Redeemed of the world....The Author and the Finisher...The Beginning and The End..Alpha and Omega.

It is finished This same One said and gave us His testimony of the revelations of Him who came and was Him that was and still is Him that is to come....He the face of God ....God in the flesh...the same spirit of prophecy said as He then sealed it with giving up The Ghost...giving up the spirit back unto where it came from only ....To take it up again and put back....That same Spirit and Life is "The resurrection" of the dead that giveth them Everlasting Life so they will not die but be new creatures in His image into that same flesh that was sacrificed went back that same powerful Almighty One we know as The Resurrection and the Life.........He was "Spirit" God is a Spirit.......then He came before men and Was....God is a Spirit and now was God in the flesh.........and that same One is to Come........again...

We need no other nor can there be another but theses...we only wait for Him to come again.....As He promised in His Word ....and take up unto Him Self so Where He is We shall be also..not just us but even all those who we call asleep ..."gone on before us"....but these also have preceded us and we can not preceded them unless we to depart from our flesh in the separation of our New Spirit of Life from God that is sealed in us awaiting the day of our redemption from this body of death/flesh......Or He comes again.

No there is none that shall come and be Christ nor the two witnesses that already have come and been given to all who have heard or read That Same Word of God...powerful and Quick Word of God standeth to judge even the Living and the dead..

No I look not for these to come for they are already come.

I look and search not to find my race or ethnicity in definition to frame me in glory or elect me by my skin bone and blood.......my flesh bone and blood is of no value neither can nit be glorified.....only One be the glory and that is Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior and God.

Stop running to find the secret things that come unto the eyes or settle you minds and hearts in the things seen and of earth....like man Adam was and we are of earth.....Stop needing and being needy of elections and confirmations unto your selves of other men....Glorify seek and look only to Christ and Him Christ to come...Hide your self completely in Him so you are not seen....for you are naked when seen of your self..you are defiled and dirty and man sinful and shameful..outside of Him we all are but filthy rags......get back inside Him and stay there He is your covering skin like he covered Adam with He covers you with His Own Grace to be your garment and conceal and cover your own naked self.
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The Word makes a comparison between the two witnesses and Joshua and Zerubbabel . It does not make sense that this could apply to many people and also one or both of the witnesses will be belong to the tribe of Levi and only those can be a part of the priesthood of God and only males belong to the priesthood . For all who want a different view of the witnesses , you are welcome here and will not be banned for offering different opinions .



Revelation 11:4 calls the two witnesses “the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.” This prophecy indicates that the prophecy about the two witnesses is directly linked to (or foreshadowed by) a prophecy in Zechariah 3-4 about two individuals called the “two olive trees.” Since Revelation 11 links the two witnesses to information in Zechariah 3-4’s prophecy, a digression into Zechariah’s prophecy is necessary to understand more about the two witnesses.
The prophecy in Zechariah 3-4 gives the names “Joshua” and “Zerubbabel” to the two men called the “two olive trees” in Zechariah 4:11, and it reveals that they are alive at a time “the foundation of this house” (verse 9) has been laid down. Zechariah and Haggai were two prophets who lived at the time of Ezra and Nehemiah (Ezra 5:1, 6:14), and Zechariah’s prophecy about the “two olive trees” likens them to two of their actual contemporaries who were named Joshua and Zerubbabel. Zerubbabel was a political officer and Joshua was a High Priest at that time (Haggai 1:1, 12). Since the two historic figures called the “two olive trees” are referenced in Revelation 11 as types of the two witnesses, it could indicate that one of the two witnesses will have a political background while the other “witness” will have a priestly/ministerial background.
Zechariah 4:6 states that Zerubbabel’s power will flow from God’s Holy Spirit. This is consistent with Revelation 11:3 that God’s power will energize the two witnesses at the time of their calling. Verse 7 prophesies that a “great mountain” will become “a plain” before Zerubbabel. Mountains are used in prophecies as types of human nations (Isaiah 1:1-4 is one such example). Zerubbabel will be able to turn “a great mountain” (a very powerful nation or alliance of nations) into “a plain.” In other words, God’s power will be so strong in Zerubbabel that the military power of mighty nations (or the “beast” power” of Revelation) will be “leveled” before Zerubbabel. No human military power will be able to stand before the Divine power that will flow through the Two Witnesses. Zerubbabel had been involved in “laying the foundation of the house” (i.e. an earlier Temple) in Zechariah 4:9, which may indicate that one of the two witnesses will be involved with the effort to build a temple of God in Jerusalem in the latter days, and that these efforts will proceed from a time of very humble beginnings (“the day of small things” in Zechariah 4:10). Zerubbabel uses a “plummet,” a tool used in construction measurements. This parallels the fact that the two witnesses will emerge at a time the latter-day temple is being “measured” (Revelation 11:1-2).
Zechariah 3 is a prophecy about “Joshua,” the other “olive tree” of this prophecy and a type of the other “witness” of Revelation 11. Zechariah 3:1 mentions that Joshua was serving as the high priest in Ezra’s time, and Joshua is personified as being between an “the angel of the Lord” and Satan (who is resisting or opposing him). This “Joshua” is at a nexus of a battle being waged between good and bad angels, but the Lord decides the contest in favor of a good outcome. The Lord rebukes Satan from opposing Joshua any further and then likens Joshua to a “brand plucked from the fire.” Joshua is further depicted as being clothed in “filthy garments” as he “stood before an angel.” A “brand plucked from the fire” pictures a stick or branch that is in the process of being ignited or burned in a fire, but which is “plucked” or rescued from the fire so it is not consumed.
This “Joshua” does not emerge unscathed from the spiritual contest between good and evil angels which has raged around him. His “filthy garments” indicate he is in a sinful or personally damaged state when he is “plucked from the fire” and rescued by God. In verses 4-5, God removes Joshua’s “iniquity” and he is figuratively given new, clean garments and a fair miter (the clothing of a priest). In other words, this individual is “cleaned up” or “restored” so he can perform the duties assigned to him by God. In verses 6-8, an angel gives Joshua a charge to walk in God’s ways in order to perform the priestly duties assigned to him. This is not the first time that God has chosen a spiritually-damaged or “unfit” individual to serve him in a prophetic capacity. When Isaiah was called to be a prophet, he protested that he was unworthy because he had “unclean lips” (Isaiah 6:5), and the Apostle Paul had previously been an enemy of God when known by his earlier surname of “Saul” (Acts 8-9).
Zechariah 4:11-14 describe Joshua and Zerubbabel not only as the “two olive trees,” but also as “the two anointed ones that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.” [Emphasis added.] This strongly parallels the role of the two witnesses of Revelation 11 who will serve as two “anointed ones” who will wield Divine power in a global ministry in the latter days. The separate descriptions of “Joshua” and “Zerubbabel” apparently give us clues about some aspects of the lives of the two people who will be called by God to be the two witnesses in the latter days. If not, why would God tell us in Revelation 11 that the two witnesses are the “two olive trees” and then give us specific information in Zechariah 3-4 about the two individuals personified in these roles?
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To understand this passage it is very important to first ID the 42 months in history. These 1260 days are symbolism like the rest of the chapter. Time symbolism is ALWAYS day-year principle or 1260 years most often ID as Rome's dark ages from 538 to 1798.
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The second thing to understand chapter 11 is chapter 10 was about the Protestant Reformation. Chapter 11 then is about the Bible going to all the world.

Chapter 11 two witnesses/candlesticks does draw symbolism from Zech 4 - the word of God.

Thus the Rev 11 two witnesses happened at that time in 1798 France. ("spiritual Sodom and Egypt" i.e. atheist)

At that time the Bible was banned for 3.5 years.

After this the Bible was mass produced and went to all of Christendom.

Revelation is a book of prophecy which uses symbolism.

The symbolism from Rev 11 comes from Zech 4 and 5, which is about the word of God (candlesticks which are a witness)

Zech.4:3 "And two olive trees by it, one on the right side of the bowl, and the other on the left side thereof. So I answered and spoke to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord? Then the angel that talked with me answered and said to me, Know you not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then he answered and spoke to me, saying, This is the word of the LORD (...) Then answered I, and said to him, What are these two olive trees on the right side of the candlestick and on the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said to him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Know you not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth. Then I turned, and lifted up my eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll."

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The most popular opinion found among the Doctors of Theology is that the two witnesses are two prophets that shall come during the Great Tribulation Period, while some say that this prophecy of the two witnesses has a two-fold meaning. However, the Scriptures and recorded history show that the prophecy about the two witnesses has indeed come to pass.

Jesus our Lord said: "And this Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a WITNESS UNTO ALL NATIONS and then shall the end come." (Matthew 24:14). The Gospel taught from the Scriptures was to be a witness to all nations about the loving and saving power of Jesus Christ.

However, when the Roman Catholic Church became a religious dictatorship, the Scriptures were hidden from the vast population, and catechism was substituted instead of Bible study. The Gospel of the Bible became mingled with the pagan philosophies of Sun worship. The worship of the pagan Mother goddess became the idol of the Roman Catholic Church through the worship of the Virgin Mary.' When the Gospel became perverted through Romanism, God always had a remnant people who were teaching the True Faith during the 1260 years the Papacy cast the Truth to the ground. These faithful followers of Jesus were hunted down by papal authorities as heretics and criminals. They were tortured on the rack, burned at the stake; and it mattered not what age or sex, they were butchered in the name of Heaven.

When those faithful servants who proclaimed the sacred truths from the Old and New Testaments were tortured, murdered, thrown in dungeons and had to flee for their lives from the papal Inquisitors, the True Faith was forced to go underground. The Gospel set forth in the Old and New Testament that had to be preached into all the world for a witness to all nations before Christ would come again, was forced into a state of obscurity. This is what is meant by Revelation 11:3, "And they shall prophesy a THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THREESCORE DAYS CLOTHED IN SACKCLOTH."

Sackcloth was worn by the Israelites in times of trouble and grief (2.Samuel 3:31, 1.Chronicles 21:15, 16; Isaiah 37:1). The sackcloth here mentioned in Revelation 11:3 was to mourn the supression of the Old and New Testament by the papal authorities during the 1260 years. The two witnesses, the two olive trees, or the two candlesticks represented the light the Scripture gives its reader.

The Olive Tree was the Israelites' source of oil to anoint their kings and priests. Oil has often, in Biblical language, been a symbol of the Holy Spirit (Zechariah 4:1-14). The Candlestick represents the illumination a searcher of Truth receives in the heart when he makes the Word of God his standard to measure Truth to live by. "Thy word is a LAMP unto my feet, and a light unto my path." Psalms 119:105

"And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouths, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy. And have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will." Revelation 11:5,6

This prophecy is a parallel with that of Jesus in Revelation 22:18,19. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this book."

This will be the fate of ALL those who tamper with the sacred Scripture. These warnings were given by God to warn men against changing or adding to anything written in the Holy Scriptures. The Scriptures reveal God's plan for man from the beginning of creation until Christ's Second Coming, and also how he will provide for man after this Age. The Scriptures were given for man as a guide throughout his life to lead him through the gates of the New Jerusalem where he will dwell with God himself (Revelation 21:1-4).

[link to www.benabraham.com]
[link to www.temkit.com]
[link to www.revelationbibleprophecy.org]
[link to www.bibleexplained.com]
[link to www.revelations-two-witnesses.com]
[link to www.endtimes-bibleprophecy.com]
[link to www.lightministries.com]

The prophecy could not be understood until it had been fulfilled. After 1800 some did begin to understand the thing so you will need to find a Bible commentary from this period such as Dr. J.A. Wylie (not SDA). Perhaps his book The Seventh Vial covers this.

Besides understanding the day-year principle it is important to understand previous chapters 9 & 10, as these were also about the Bible. Ch 9 was the fall of Constantinople at the hands of the Turks in 1453. Ch 10 was the Protestant Reformation in 1517 and Bible made possible by the preserved Greek MS brought west after the fall of Constantinople.

This fellow covers Ch10 rather well although you or I do not have to agree with him 100% since he mixes schools of theology but still presents the gist of Chs 9 & 10. Then Veith covers Ch11 smashing it out of the park.

Rev 10: Protestant Reformation

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Rev 11: Two witnesses/candlesticks, symbolic for the word of God, the Bible; the law and the prophets.

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bump Wow ! How pathetic . We both know who 1starred my thread like that and all I can say is you are truly pitiful . I saw this thread getting more 1stars and it wasn't even up on the front page . Id say that took you a long time and I really wonder why you bothered because it does not bother me one bit for it is the content that is important and truth is always slandered ! So you mad ? LOL
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resistresistresist
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And may God in Heaven humble you for your treachery because it is not my word who you slander but Almighty God's !!! Woe to you in Yeshua's name !
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witnesses

who cares

oh, its two, so its a big deal

lol

yeah, a witness is real important , they are like more important then the jury and stuff

lol

who cares about a crap ass someone that saw something

as a matter of fact i am suing any witness that talks god stuff, for stress and racism

racist witnesses thats what they are




babe'

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And maybe you want me to mention your name but I don't have to do that because you know who I am talking about and maybe that was your plan , to make me mention your name again and have my thread deleted ! Well try harder . You mad ? lol
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I must have really gotten under your skin , lol you went completely demented to do all that . How long did it take you ? Poor fool .
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I'm the kinda guy who stuff like that will only make me more determined so let me say thank you .
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Haha , God bless whoever pinned this ! Praise God , that is God's signature , good out of bad . hf
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"A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic."
-Dresden James

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
-Arthur Schopenhauer
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history tends to repeat.
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And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth.
"


These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks,
standing before the God of the earth.



And if any man will hurt them,
fire proceedeth out of their mouth and devoureth their enemies;
and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.



These have power to shut heaven,
that it rain not in the days of their prophecy,
and have power over waters to turn them to blood,
and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.



And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit
shall make war against them, and shall overcome them and kill them.
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


Read More [link to www.biblegateway.com] Rev 11
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 Quoting: Xerces


Is that your friend ?
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history tends to repeat.
 Quoting: spiritoftruth 13613712


Yes it does and many never learn .

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