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The Two Witnesses .

 
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And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth.
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These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks,
standing before the God of the earth.



And if any man will hurt them,
fire proceedeth out of their mouth and devoureth their enemies;
and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.



These have power to shut heaven,
that it rain not in the days of their prophecy,
and have power over waters to turn them to blood,
and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.



And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit
shall make war against them, and shall overcome them and kill them.
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


Read More [link to www.biblegateway.com] Rev 11
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That will be a sight to see .
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Nah. Apocalypse is an esoteric book which can't be compared with other scrolls. We know that because Daniel, Joel, Isaiah, Ezekiel do describe visions in some chapters but THE WHOLE BOOK OF APOCALYPSE IS MADE OF VISIONS, number 7 is repeated 52 times (5+2=7) and a series of 7 visions is followed by another set of 7 and goes on like that. This is lietrature style MEANING things which need to be decoded.

I ain't gonna explain the whole thing but the witness is somehting more and you should start by counting the witness. It's TWO of them.

The word testify is derived from the same Greek root as testicle. In ancient Greece men giving testimony were required to cover their genitals with their hand. The word was derived from Latin and was related to Roman custom.

The Latin word testis originally meant 'witness'. It comes from the Indo-European roots *tre- meaning 'three' and *sta- meaning 'stand'. A witness was 'a third person standing by'. From that came the verb testificare 'to bear witness', which evolved into Middle English testify in the fourteenth century.

Where it gets confusing is that testis also -- although not originally -- meant testicle in Latin. The English word testicle comes from Latin testiculus, a diminutive of testis, and first appeared in the fifteenth century. If testis meaning 'witness' and testis meaning 'testicle' are indeed the same word, then the etymology could be that the testicles are 'witness' or evidence of virility. There is also a theory that testis/testicle comes from the Latin testa 'pot', referring to the testicle's shape.

The Oxford Latin Dictionary says that testis meaning 'testicle' is probably "a special application" of testis meaning 'witness' and refers the reader to the Greek word parastates which means 'one who stands alongside another'. In addition to singular and plural, Greek (along with Old English, Arabic, and a few other languages) has what is called a "dual" that denotes two of whatever is being talked about; it is used for things that come in pairs, like hands and feet. The dual form of parastates means 'testicles', which are 'two glands standing alongside each other'. It is conceivable that Latin simply took these two senses of the Greek word and translated them with testis.

In the book of Genesis there are several passages in which a man who is taking an oath puts his hand "under the thigh" of the man to whom he is swearing: "And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house...Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh: And I will make thee swear by the Lord...." The Hebrew word in this passage is yarek, which means 'thigh' throughout the Old Testament. My Biblical expert says that this ritual seems to come from the idea that the thigh is the locus of power, probably because it's near the genitals. He also notes that some modern interpreters of the Bible envision it as a swearing on the genitals, with "under the thigh" being an euphemism which goes all the way back to the Hebrew language.
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Two OLIVE trees, that "oil" is actual human's seed that needs to be transformed. The number 144000 also appears in Mayan Lord of Pacal and at the right place: on the forehead. Tutankamon wore 143 jewels being himself number 144. 1+4+4=9 just like 6+6+6=9. 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons is the number of man because things on physical world are made of carbon. 9 trascends the physical world. That's why in Apocalypse the number 144.000 comes IMMEDIATLY after the verse mentioning 666.
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Apocalypse 3:11 clearly says the two olive trees are the witnessed themselves:
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As I said Apocalypse 3:11 indicates the two who give testimony/testicles are also the olive trees.

It was forbidden in Torah the acceoptance of men with DAMAGED TESTICLES and whomever ever studied the temple would know the whole structure is ANTROPOMORPHIC, that is in the shape of a human being with the TWO PILLARS being the columns of the human "earth" or body. Shall I show you?
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history tends to repeat.
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Yes it does and many never learn .
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Let see whom chooses good and whom chooses evil. They wont be told how they are choosing but the truth will be given all whom accept and apply shall be saved but all whom reject and deny shall remain condemned.
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Nah. Apocalypse is an esoteric book which can't be compared with other scrolls. We know that because Daniel, Joel, Isaiah, Ezekiel do describe visions in some chapters but THE WHOLE BOOK OF APOCALYPSE IS MADE OF VISIONS, number 7 is repeated 52 times (5+2=7) and a series of 7 visions is followed by another set of 7 and goes on like that. This is lietrature style MEANING things which need to be decoded.

I ain't gonna explain the whole thing but the witness is somehting more and you should start by counting the witness. It's TWO of them.

The word testify is derived from the same Greek root as testicle. In ancient Greece men giving testimony were required to cover their genitals with their hand. The word was derived from Latin and was related to Roman custom.

The Latin word testis originally meant 'witness'. It comes from the Indo-European roots *tre- meaning 'three' and *sta- meaning 'stand'. A witness was 'a third person standing by'. From that came the verb testificare 'to bear witness', which evolved into Middle English testify in the fourteenth century.

Where it gets confusing is that testis also -- although not originally -- meant testicle in Latin. The English word testicle comes from Latin testiculus, a diminutive of testis, and first appeared in the fifteenth century. If testis meaning 'witness' and testis meaning 'testicle' are indeed the same word, then the etymology could be that the testicles are 'witness' or evidence of virility. There is also a theory that testis/testicle comes from the Latin testa 'pot', referring to the testicle's shape.

The Oxford Latin Dictionary says that testis meaning 'testicle' is probably "a special application" of testis meaning 'witness' and refers the reader to the Greek word parastates which means 'one who stands alongside another'. In addition to singular and plural, Greek (along with Old English, Arabic, and a few other languages) has what is called a "dual" that denotes two of whatever is being talked about; it is used for things that come in pairs, like hands and feet. The dual form of parastates means 'testicles', which are 'two glands standing alongside each other'. It is conceivable that Latin simply took these two senses of the Greek word and translated them with testis.

In the book of Genesis there are several passages in which a man who is taking an oath puts his hand "under the thigh" of the man to whom he is swearing: "And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house...Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh: And I will make thee swear by the Lord...." The Hebrew word in this passage is yarek, which means 'thigh' throughout the Old Testament. My Biblical expert says that this ritual seems to come from the idea that the thigh is the locus of power, probably because it's near the genitals. He also notes that some modern interpreters of the Bible envision it as a swearing on the genitals, with "under the thigh" being an euphemism which goes all the way back to the Hebrew language.
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IMHO , it is fully inspired .
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history tends to repeat.
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Yes it does and many never learn .
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Let see whom chooses good and whom chooses evil. They wont be told how they are choosing but the truth will be given all whom accept and apply shall be saved but all whom reject and deny shall remain condemned.
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Amen :)
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The ones who have practiced the path of tantrism have witnessed all sort of catastrophes in the form of visions and the body, eclipses, earthquakes, mountains falling, inner cosmo doom as if the glands and organs were set in equivalent distances to planets and moons. I didn't choose this path and yet I have seen darkness........beyond words a other things, even seen "beasts" as if they were frozen in space/time.
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SACKclothed..... does this give you a hint?
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[link to books.google.com.br]

As I said Apocalypse 3:11 indicates the two who give testimony/testicles are also the olive trees.

It was forbidden in Torah the acceoptance of men with DAMAGED TESTICLES and whomever ever studied the temple would know the whole structure is ANTROPOMORPHIC, that is in the shape of a human being with the TWO PILLARS being the columns of the human "earth" or body. Shall I show you?
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Jerusalem temple had a porch near Holy Place, that was the genitalia part:
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]

Jacob’s ladder is the throat
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]
Brain (Holy of Holies) and spirit
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]

[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]
Egyptian temples the same thing
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]
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[link to books.google.com.br]

As I said Apocalypse 3:11 indicates the two who give testimony/testicles are also the olive trees.

It was forbidden in Torah the acceoptance of men with DAMAGED TESTICLES and whomever ever studied the temple would know the whole structure is ANTROPOMORPHIC, that is in the shape of a human being with the TWO PILLARS being the columns of the human "earth" or body. Shall I show you?
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Jerusalem temple had a porch near Holy Place, that was the genitalia part:
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]

Jacob’s ladder is the throat
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]
Brain (Holy of Holies) and spirit
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]

[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]
Egyptian temples the same thing
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]
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Really ? Come on , that is just silly .
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Ask a jewish and will tell you about Jerusalem temple. And as a matter of fact this has also the secret of architect Freemasons. The building of the temple of man. Have you not heard Christ was going to lift up his own body/temple and people in his days also didn't understand (like you)?

John was asked once "are you Eliyah?" He said "no". Christ's comparison was about the spirit of them two and their mission, he was not talking about "soul" (nephesh in Hebrew). But I will have to explain what is really Christ (a name also given to the king Cyrus) and the difference of Son of Man and Son of God in the same man, without using as a basis neither churches superficial explanation nor Hollywood movies about the miracle-man mostly thought by millions of Christians.

If they ignore what's the meaning of the Christ (and his family thought he was a lunatic according to the Gospels), how on earth are they gonna know the meaning of Eliyah and John? The testicles/testimony/ olive trees are vessels as well in case nobody noticed.

I'm out cos I know people are gonna come and write the same things over and over and over ad infinitum. Let'em be.
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The obelisks in Egyptian temples were very important, like the two pillars in Jerusalem temple. Have you heard about the sin of ONan regarding his semen? ON was the Hebrew name for Heliopolis, the Greek word for Egyptian city of the sun.

The pillars also served as phallus and that's why the Vatican and Washington we see Osiris' dick (huge obelisk) and Isis' vagina (dome). I could show you it was similar idea in Hindu temples but since after watching the images (in case you took the time) you already thought it is a silly idea, I won't convince you as if it were "my" personal approach.

I came to share, if you think you can't learn anything from this and is "silly", well I guess most people would think like you and would gladly accept the general rule of thumb. So be it.

I withdraw now and let you typing and reading many additional pages of the usual stuff.
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The obelisks in Egyptian temples were very important, like the two pillars in Jerusalem temple. Have you heard about the sin of ONan regarding his semen? ON was the Hebrew name for Heliopolis, the Greek word for Egyptian city of the sun.

The pillars also served as phallus and that's why the Vatican and Washington we see Osiris' dick (huge obelisk) and Isis' vagina (dome). I could show you it was similar idea in Hindu temples but since after watching the images (in case you took the time) you already thought it is a silly idea, I won't convince you as if it were "my" personal approach.

I came to share, if you think you can't learn anything from this and is "silly", well I guess most people would think like you and would gladly accept the general rule of thumb. So be it.

I withdraw now and let you typing and reading many additional pages of the usual stuff.
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Hey sorry if I offended you , feel free to type what you want , we will agree to disagree on this one .
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The obelisks in Egyptian temples were very important, like the two pillars in Jerusalem temple. Have you heard about the sin of ONan regarding his semen? ON was the Hebrew name for Heliopolis, the Greek word for Egyptian city of the sun.

The pillars also served as phallus and that's why the Vatican and Washington we see Osiris' dick (huge obelisk) and Isis' vagina (dome). I could show you it was similar idea in Hindu temples but since after watching the images (in case you took the time) you already thought it is a silly idea, I won't convince you as if it were "my" personal approach.

I came to share, if you think you can't learn anything from this and is "silly", well I guess most people would think like you and would gladly accept the general rule of thumb. So be it.

I withdraw now and let you typing and reading many additional pages of the usual stuff.
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clappa
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In Apocalypse we read Lord was put to death in EGYPT AND SODOM.

In the Bible (I Kings 10:14), King Solomon receives 666 talents of gold (a talent is a weight or denomination). What is the connection between Solomon's 666 and the 666 that is attributed to the Beast in Revelations?

King Solomon is the key figure in the building of "the Temple of Solomon." Further he his recognized as having the greatest wisdom. This wisdom can be traced in his name – it is derived from "salem," meaning "wholeness." Wholeness of mind is an old criteria for wisdom. The 666 talents of gold appears as descriptive of Solomon's greatness during the height of his kingship. It is as if 666 is symbolic of the completion of the Temple and the following time ruled by the wisdom to know right from wrong. Gold...the metal offered to the gods is also related to the Sun, Heliopolis and the Hebrew name ON.


What does wholeness of being imply? Unity of animal self and conscious self. In the Zohar it is stated about 666 that "all wild animals have this," and 666 has often since been said to symbolize the animal nature of man.

In psychoanalysis, the split between the ego and the animal self is what causes repression and neurosis. When the animal self rises up against the tyranny of the ego, the ego conceives of it as a terrible monster that has to be put down. Read like this, 666 would be the animal self that, if you're like Solomon and have unity, is healthy and blessed; but if you're split it seems like a terrible monster.

In a person that is not like Solomon, the ego is a false construction that desires the LIE.

In the Bible it is repeatedly stated that he who desires the lie, who only has the lie, does NOT and can NOT have the Light inside. (Example, 1 John 1:8-10.) The ego doesn't fear the lie, it fears the TRUTH; it flees from the truth. The ego fears the Light, the Christos/Logos, because it is not of it.


Just like psychoanalysis and neurology speaks about SPLIT people that are without innate sense of right and wrong and have warped and twisted desires, the Bible says that sin is caused by the absence of the Inner Light. "Jesus" spoke of it as "going against the Holy Spirit" and called it the ONLY INNER sin. The other sins are RESULTS of this one sin, results of "the darkening of the Light." Read the original texts in Greek, this is stated quite clearly in there. For an exposition of the sins, from what the Greek actually meant back then, see below.

In the Bible, especially in Revelations, there are two kinds of humans. First there are those who lack the inner Light, who are fallen into sin, who fear truth, and who in Revelations will worship the Beast yet also suffer horrible trials when the Beast arises from the Abyss. Then there are those who have the Light freely flowing, who do not have lies inside, who are free from sin ("If you have Logos, you can not err (sin)," as Jesus said), and who have their names written in the Book of Life – they are those that do NOT have any "Beast" to fear.

Seraphim: it is interesting to note that the words nehhashim and seraphim are first mentioned in Numbers 21:6 and Isaiah 14:29; 30:6, and speak of poisonous serpents and connect them with a fiery snake (saraph) in Numbers 21:8 and Isaiah 30:6. They are the highest order of Angels that attend upon God; but they are obviously punishing Angels. The word Seraph has the significance of burning up, not of shining. Sometimes they are called winged serpents (Isaiah 6:2,6). They consume and burn up and devour things (Professor William Gesenius). The Seraphs are an order of Angels that are with God, hovering near God.

In Apocalypse 12 we read the dragon was the original snake of Genesis. It's true. Genesis doesn't describe a physical snake nahash but a seraphim feathered snake (6 wings actually) called nahashash.
Even Hebrew scholar Michael Heiser who is a protestant admits this.

If you obstruct the Light, or lack it inside, then you call "the bottomless pit" into your heart. The whole point with Revelations is the story about salvation and the rebuilding of the Temple, symbolized by the new Jerusalem. All of this is allegory, it has nothing to do with the actual city of Jerusalem, it has to do with SALEM. The rebuilt Temple is nowhere to be seen, yet it is there. That is because the Kingdom is INSIDE (as is said in the Bible). St. Paul says that he who is not right with the self (consider what "not right with the self" means) shall not inherit the Kingdom (from the original Greek of 1 Corinthians 6:9-12) and, as Jesus said, "IF ANYONE BE NOT GENERATED OUT OF WATER AND SPIRIT, HE IS NOT ABLE TO ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF THE GOD." One needs both the Waters and the Holy Spirit.

Christ mentions this inner kingdom. Jehovah's Witnesses changed the translation as if he were saying the kingdom is "among" the disciples. But the Greek word is specific "entos humoon", Luke 17:20, 21.

I'm tired. I said enough already.
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It's just a book.
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It's a book which says the same thing others have said and the ones who have tried the objective meditation or yoga asanas have witnessed in their real life.

In God’s realms the things do have many layers. Even Egyptians had their version of seraphim chanting to God like Isaiah 6:1-6 beings with 6 wings and hands and feet:
[link to fotolog.terra.com]

Isaiah doesn’t describe them fully and covered their heads but is something known by jewish people and not by Christians.
Now in the physical world there’s evidence of antique snakes with FEET. Wanna see the fossil?
[link to fotolog.terra.com]

This certainly makes you think about what is implicit when Genesis suggests the snake NOT ALWAYS CRAWLED. It was the fallen of the seraphim to other physical realm regarding a real feathered snake or dragon in interdimensional realms or was it talking about inner energy in us who once were male/female androgynous Adam or both things or others? After all that ancient real snake with feet fossil concerns about physical realm and the matriz is not flesh and bone carbon made 666?

Not just Isaiah but other records quote the existence of winged-snakes and I call set links about certain deformations in winged-cats called feline cutaneus asthenia.

Yet even when you do check with electro-micrographic photos human body, you will see 2 rods of bivalent chromosomes with loops or 6 “wings”: [link to fotolog.terra.com]

Mayans, Assyrians, Sumerians knew these things:
[link to fotolog.terra.com]
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]

And the copper snake used by Moses wasn’t a Caduceus rod with 2 snakes because the moment of SPLITTING when a baby is going to be begotten. That’s why Isis’ helpers were also using a single snake in a rod. Images like these are often in Egyptian temples:
[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]

And I could set images of the Birkelan plasma like twin snakes.... and so on, many layers and not just the superficial explanation of people who memorized a couple of verses without having read the whole Bible or people who ignore the roots of Greek and Hebrew.
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Two OLIVE trees, that "oil" is actual human's seed that needs to be transformed. The number 144000 also appears in Mayan Lord of Pacal and at the right place: on the forehead. Tutankamon wore 143 jewels being himself number 144. 1+4+4=9 just like 6+6+6=9. 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons is the number of man because things on physical world are made of carbon. 9 trascends the physical world. That's why in Apocalypse the number 144.000 comes IMMEDIATLY after the verse mentioning 666.
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Thanks for this information if you have any-more info on the number 144000 please post.
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As I said both numbers 666 and 144 =9 (which is a peculiar number) so the relevant thing is to turn what is down 666 and spin it upwards to become 999. Now, the theoretical transformation of carbon 666 into a body of "glory" is something totally different than becoming that goal and if I really know it in practical way I wouldn't be an ordinary guy typing this in front of the desktop and receiving all that ultraviolet light and rays straight into my eyes and brain. I was involved in a conversation about the geometrical shape of the 144.000 and perhaps you should go into that research. But let's suppose you eventually discover the shape is like a soccer ball dodecahedron or other Pythagorean form. What are we supposed to do with that data? That's the question indeed. Are we gonna meditate in that rotating mandala or a 3D Star of David upside down pyramid inside another?

If the seal of the number is written in a code in the forehead, how do we get that seal? It's about "virgins" and connected with God's name, right? And is about the secret chant only they know. Isaiah 6:1-6 mentions the same chant Trisagion or 3 times holy related to ... guess whom? The SNAKE SERAPHIM! After a while you will discover some people eventually discovered in the same book dealing with COPPER SNAKE seraphim made by Moses, the book of Numbers, another CODE which is the Solfeggio code. Now, I personally have talked with the guys who have discovered these, a couple of jewish people wh were very humble admitting they lack information about the OTHER thing implied with that Solfeggio chant. What? God's NAME. One of them is Stan Tenan if I remember the spelling of his name and the other is Horowitz or something like this. I share this info with both of them and I discussed about that specific problem which I have solved. But I lack the Solfeggio tone APPLIED TO THAT. So even if you have a Gregorian chant it will be wrong saying that awful HaleluYAH because the name was never YAH nor Jah and so on. These are replacement of the real one but I wn't discuss that for any eventual swine stepping on things they don't understand.
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Apocalypse 13:18. Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and the number of him is six hundred sixty-six.

Six hundred sixty-six... The numeral letters of his name shall make up this number.

Immediately after that chapter, the very same verse is about 144.000:

Apocalypse Chapter 14

14:1. And I beheld: and lo a Lamb stood upon mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty-four thousand, having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.

14:2. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the noise of many waters and as the voice of great thunder. And the voice which I heard was as the voice of harpers, harping on their harps.

14:3. And they sung as it were a new canticle, before the throne and before the four living creatures and the ancients: and no man could say the canticle, but those hundred forty-four thousand who were purchased from the earth.

14:4. These are they who were not defiled with women: for they are virgins. These follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were purchased from among men, the firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

14:5. And in their mouth there was found no lie: for they are without spot before the throne of God.
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Apocalypse 13:18. Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and the number of him is six hundred sixty-six.

Six hundred sixty-six... The numeral letters of his name shall make up this number.

Immediately after that chapter, the very same verse is about 144.000:

Apocalypse Chapter 14

14:1. And I beheld: and lo a Lamb stood upon mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty-four thousand, having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.

14:2. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the noise of many waters and as the voice of great thunder. And the voice which I heard was as the voice of harpers, harping on their harps.

14:3. And they sung as it were a new canticle, before the throne and before the four living creatures and the ancients: and no man could say the canticle, but those hundred forty-four thousand who were purchased from the earth.

14:4. These are they who were not defiled with women: for they are virgins. These follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were purchased from among men, the firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

14:5. And in their mouth there was found no lie: for they are without spot before the throne of God.
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Isaiah 6:1-6:

1 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple.

2 Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying.

3 And they were calling to one another:

“Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty;
the whole earth is full of his glory.”


4 At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook and the temple was filled with smoke.

5 “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the LORD Almighty.”

6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar.
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Nice job OP! I will check out that collins site, because I totally agree with it and it parallels exactly what I am reading in my own studies.
The 144,000 will all be witnesses too. There will be 72000 Zerubbabels and 72000 Joshuas, from all the different tribes. The Lord will send them out in pairs, all over the world. They will build the third temple also, right after they are gathered up, which may be Easter Sunday, April 8,2012.
I make this statement based on a personal word to me, in which the Lord stated that "Easter will be special," and this is my interpretation of this. The dead in Christ rise first, so it could be that also. Not sure, but something is up for Easter.
Have you noticed how He mentions He will raise up David to be king over them in Israel? Do a bible study of all the verses mentioning David, and you will glean that the tribe of David will be as numerous as the sands of the sea, just like the tribes of Israel. Why? Because the 144,000 are all descendants of David!!! This was also revealed to me by a word from the Lord, but in my studies of David, I can see there are references of all kinds to the end times.
The bible specifically says that the descendants of David will be as God with the angel of the Lord going before them.
It turns out that Joshua and Zerubbabel and Moses are all descendants of David.
Another verse in the bible states that the Lord will call His servant Eliakim, the son of Sheltial and will fasten him as a peg in a square hole. In my Strongs concordance, it mentions that Eliakim is a descendant of Christ, so therefore part of Davids line.
The Lord will deliver us with the same family bloodline He has used in the past to deliver His people. One of the 144,000 will be chosen as King for Israel.
Yes, the two witnesses in Revelation will be killed, and they could be big name Christians from the bibles past,
but whoever they are, they will be descendants of David also.
This is my understanding of it and I encourage you to throw out what you have been taught, and start reading Isaiah! Most of this is in there, you just have to glean it from the word.
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Nice job OP! I will check out that collins site, because I totally agree with it and it parallels exactly what I am reading in my own studies.
The 144,000 will all be witnesses too. There will be 72000 Zerubbabels and 72000 Joshuas, from all the different tribes. The Lord will send them out in pairs, all over the world. They will build the third temple also, right after they are gathered up, which may be Easter Sunday, April 8,2012.
I make this statement based on a personal word to me, in which the Lord stated that "Easter will be special," and this is my interpretation of this. The dead in Christ rise first, so it could be that also. Not sure, but something is up for Easter.
Have you noticed how He mentions He will raise up David to be king over them in Israel? Do a bible study of all the verses mentioning David, and you will glean that the tribe of David will be as numerous as the sands of the sea, just like the tribes of Israel. Why? Because the 144,000 are all descendants of David!!! This was also revealed to me by a word from the Lord, but in my studies of David, I can see there are references of all kinds to the end times.
The bible specifically says that the descendants of David will be as God with the angel of the Lord going before them.
It turns out that Joshua and Zerubbabel and Moses are all descendants of David.
Another verse in the bible states that the Lord will call His servant Eliakim, the son of Sheltial and will fasten him as a peg in a square hole. In my Strongs concordance, it mentions that Eliakim is a descendant of Christ, so therefore part of Davids line.
The Lord will deliver us with the same family bloodline He has used in the past to deliver His people. One of the 144,000 will be chosen as King for Israel.
Yes, the two witnesses in Revelation will be killed, and they could be big name Christians from the bibles past,
but whoever they are, they will be descendants of David also.
This is my understanding of it and I encourage you to throw out what you have been taught, and start reading Isaiah! Most of this is in there, you just have to glean it from the word.
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Hey BigD , glad you liked it and thanks for your comments . It is a fascinating subject . hf
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Now, this was Isaiah 6 and Apocalypse 14, check what says Apocalypse 4:

Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under his wings. Day and night they never stop saying: "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come."

Now, make no mistake. Ezekiel saw cherubim who are different. These are 4-faced creatures in a single head (lion, bull, eagle and man with feet like a calf, hence are more bulls than the rest of animals or human features). Apocalypse calls them creatures or beings because they are HYBRID NEW CREATIONS with the number of wings of the seraphim but not snakes and yet merely ONE of the 4 faces of the cherubim (who only own 4 wings). Obviously these 6 wings have nothing to do with directions north-south-east-west or astrological archetypes and that's why I also mentioned the fossil of snakes with real feet and Birkelan plasma and the chromosomes with 2 rods and 6 loops like wings because we're dealing with different layers of reality and NOT JUST metaphors or symbolism as it usually happens.

What we read here both in Isaiah and Revelations is the CHANT which is also modifying the DNA and obviously related to God's name and Hebrew chant. That's why is important not just to use Solfeggio tone but try to understand the music which was used during Solomon's temple...... Special instruments like harps were used and not electronic music....
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That is very interesting about the similarities you posted Brazil! So many mysteries! It will be nice to finally know what it all means! I try to keep my mind open!
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I have to laugh when people assume each word in Revelations is as written no matter how many times I explain the whole books is a series of visions different than the visions mentioned in other books of the Bible. They take the killing of the testicles/testimony as something literal. I guess when they read in Apocalypse 11:8 about the Lord being crucified in Sodom and Egypt they don't read the word "symbolic" either or beasts meaning kings and empires and water being crowds of people during times of tribulation, etc, etc, etc.
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God is Great ! hf

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