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The Two Witnesses .

 
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If whomever inspired the construction of the temple didn't care about physical laws, he wouldn't inspire 613 laws and the very building of the physical temple. It's so obvious it seems some people can't see somehow lost in abundant words.
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Jesus inspired and told Moses how to build the demensions of the Tabernacle, and told David how to build the exact demensions of the Temple.

Its abpout the cube, that is doubled..its sexual, its multiplication. Its the first commandment.

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Templars, Chartres, and their 2 Prophetic Pillars
















But these Pillars of the Tree of Life also are integrated into the Lord's prophecy as well. This because the Lord of Lords designed David's Temple built by his son Solomon to have TWO Pillars between which all worshippers of the King must pass through. (1 Kings 7: 21)The One on the North being called Jachin, and the one on the south being called Boaz. So in corespondance, at Chartres, the Northern pillar is Sphere 3, and is female and is negatiuve being called the Black Madonna. In Kabalism named Binah,

And reading [link to www.aniwilliams.com] , it again states confirming evidence, as it mentions that Zerrabbabel paralleled the female pillar, and balanced these pillars as the male counterpart. Suggesting that we will like the Tree of Life, and like Kabballism shall have 2 Pillars, one a King, and the other a female High Priestess. (Consider Two Prophets of the End and , King David, one of the Two Witnesses of Revelation.)....

For again when you study, the Templars Designs, even they had three pillars, whether at Notre Dames at Chartres, or at their Rosslyn Chapel ""It has also been suggested that the Mason's Pillar and the ornate Apprentice Pillar, for which Rosslyn (in Scotland) is famed worldwide, represent the pillars of Boaz and Joachim, which stood at the inner porchway of Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem, and that Rosslyn Chapel may be a reproduction of that temple. Others believe the plan of the building is instead based on Herod's temple, and still others believe it is actually based on the second temple of Jerusalem - that of Zerubabbel. This is because the only written words carved in the Rosslyn chapel are "Kings are strong, wine is stronger, women are stronger still - but, strongest of all, is Truth". Those words are also the only words recorded in the biblical Apocrypha as having been spoken by Zerubabbel himself. "" (From ) But the debate is not which temple was the standard, but that all these temples were designed from the Tree of Life basic and Mysteries, and all were Biblical in origin. The greatest temple being the Tabernacle and Holy of Holies CUBE, with the ultimate Temple being 'our divine created bodies' which were made without hands.

And because of this, these two pillars are also spoken of in Revelation 11, the two annointed witnesses. They being the fulfillment of Zechariah's prophecies in the past..... as Zerubbabel is mentioned here as well Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it. Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you. For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they [are] the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth. ( Zechariah 4 )

These are Boaz and Joachim, our two witnesses, two pillars, two sidespillars of the Tree of Life. And do notice again the gender and sexuality of these two Pillars in Temple symbolism... from ... [link to www.mystae.com]

""Jachin and Boaz represent two giant plants or tree whose top is a lotus flower and stem or trunk are that of a palm tree. Solomon created a hybrid plant, essentially. These plants, like other things in the Temple are multi-symbolic, representing more than one thing at the same time. "In case of the plants or trees, they depict Israel being 'planted' in the new land of Canaan. These two trees, in turn, depict the two kings mostly responsible building the temple, David and Solomon. David is Boaz, Solomon Jachin. This explains the dynastic oracle well known to temple students but not fully understood, 'By his strength he (or the king) will be established.' The word 'strength' can also be translated 'striker.' However it is rendered, it refers to a man of war, David. Jachin refers to making something firm, establishing it; this is Solomon. David is told that the kingdom would be 'established' by his son at a time of 'peace' -a reference to Solomon whose name means peace or pacific-.

"The lotus flower was recognized as a love flower anciently and here it signifies God's love for Israel by 'establishing' it in the new land. 'Establishing' applies to the stem of the tree. The name David means 'beloved.' As for Solomon, he had a second name, Jedidiah, which also means beloved. Since the two kings are given credit for founding and establishing Israel as a 'kingdom' they form the legs of the Temple Man. 'Establishing' something is to cause it to stand or stand up (as if one were planting post on the ground) and, hence, the legs. Therefore, Temple Man must be seen as standing""

Therefore all in all, it seems the Lord will have a male and female pillar in front of his Temple in the End-Time. A female High Priest, the 'Establisher' balanced out with a male King David, that will be His 'Strength' and in charge of the Lord's armies. One for the administration of the Tabernacle, and one for the matters of the Kingdom. For the Temple of God is all of us put together, a 'Temple made not with hands' but by the Lord and His Love.

In my Opinion from the Templars, their Temples, and Bible Prophecy

David Jay Jordan
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So he said, "These are the two who are anointed to serve the Lord of all the earth." Zachariah 4:14

The Hebrew for "the two anointed ones" translates to 'the two sons of the oil' !
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Annointed ones, means ones smeared with oil.

Good point... but only for the mature. Olive Oil is a mere representation of the true oil.
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Found this , very interesting !

So he said, "These are the two who are anointed to serve the Lord of all the earth." Zachariah 4:14

The Hebrew for "the two anointed ones" translates to 'the two sons of the oil' !
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Annointed ones, means ones smeared with oil.

Good point... but only for the mature. Olive Oil is a mere representation of the true oil.
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TY :)
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You are taking away from the testimony of Jesus Christ if you confess He did not finish His work on earth 2000 years ago!

The testimony of Jesus Christ has nothing to be added too!
What we must do is to believe His testimony is indeed His testimony.
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No I am not ! I already told you they will have the same testimony . I said he finished his mission and sacrifice in my last post .
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Just a question; why then do you believe extra things will take place in Revelation that have already happened?

Yes His mission and sacrifice were complete.... so why not read His testimony as His life here on earth. The book of Revelation is written as a parable for this very reason; so the fishermen and rednecks of the earth can understand it.
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Wrong, It's written in parable so only God's chosen (House of Israel) will understand it. And I'm not refering to Israel proper as a state today, They are the house of Judha.
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Differ, groups and groupies do not make it into the encampment, bloodlines mean absolutely nothing. Heritage of what your parents did means nothing, its the hand you have been dealt, all must choose the Messiah JESUS individually and on their own.

No nationality makes it IN, no religion makes it IN, only those that choose the Lord make it IN.
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David Jordan, what book are you reading??? Bloodlines don't matter??? Why is the bible about Israel the people if it does not matter??? Why are the 144000 from all the tribes if it doesn't matter? Explain yourself please.
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David Jordan, what book are you reading??? Bloodlines don't matter??? Why is the bible about Israel the people if it does not matter??? Why are the 144000 from all the tribes if it doesn't matter? Explain yourself please.
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The bible, as the Lord is not a racist and never has chosen a specific bloodline. Again that is racism, and has caused endless wars. No bloodline is superior. Only love elevates, as only love humbles itself below all others, because only love knows all others are equal to themselves...

Israel was about jacob and represents Jacob, when any individual like Jacob is truly sorry for their sins and treacherous trickery and survives the trickery of others on themslevs and wants to change and be a new person, like Jacob, then they can become a CHRISTIAN, and they can choose the Lord.

Jacob did, Jacob wrestled with the Lord for forgiveness and wanted the birthright.

Esau, lost it, he trusted in his bloodlines and was a loser. No bloodline ever carries on. None of our children are automatically righteous and pure, they all have to go through the fires of life and CHOOSE the Lord. We can not do it for them.

Read Hebrews 11, but more so, just know this truth in your heart from all your experiences in life.
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Yes we get put in tribes, as we are organized and have an EXODUS to accomplish.

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Only 144,000

There will only be 144,000 Christians surviving and fighting during the tribulation Period as prophesied by Daniel. For as much as I have fought the idea of only 144,000 as elitism, exclusivism or whatever you want to call it, more and more facts seem to indicate that NO there are only 144,000 that are chosen by the Lord in the Tribulation. For the the Revelation of Jesus Christ distinctly says, there are 144,000 of the twelve tribes of obedient spiritual Israel sealed (Rev 7) ...(Of course many can be confused right here in the beginning by thinking these are political, natural born, flesh and blood Israeli's many ofwhom have rejected the Messianship and the Lamb, Jesus Christ, but if they can get beyond the replacement doctrine that switched the blessings reserved for obedient spiritual Israel to those that reject the Lord, and those that are nationalistic, they have a chance at discernment)

For only heart not flesh is the qualification for entry into the Lord's fold as so many verses and the Spirit tell us. Similarly we must also remember that Christians that haven't been raptured before the Covenant signing at the start of Daniel's Last Seven Years and those not Raptured (because none are) in the middle of the seven years are still going to be around although totally unprepared as the ones before Noah's flood, and those virgins unprepared with Spirit in their lamps.)

So if the angel of Revelations 7 hasn't put the Seal of YHWH or God on our forehead, we are definitely in trouble, as we have absolutely no protection from the God - created instruments of judgment described in the 5th and 6th trumpets of the Great Tribulation. People can survive the first four one-third strength natural disasters if fortunate to be living in the right place, but they will not evade these insect monsters that literally arise and torment those on EARTH that are not protected with the SEAL of God. This isn't fantasy, or spiritual, but actual real life events. Besides if the angel seals us we are brethren and an instant sisterhood, because the Lord has selected us not some church or denomination. He selects, He chooses those that have chosen Him or who He knows would love Him if given a chance even if they are Of Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or New Age heritage. Anyone searching for the truth will find the Truth in Jesus (Yeshua) for He is fair and just IMO. and He will include any jewish, or any Christian, or any Muslim that accepts Him.

. Anyway, we can escape the first four plagues sent down to the Earth, by our 2 prophets because we go to the wilderness and these first four are more local in their destruction rather than worldwide like number 5 and 6. But there is no middle ground, either you have the seal or you don't. If you have it, you are into the lord's encampment if you don't you are out. No trial period, no fill out a question form, we will test you etc. etc., if the Lord seals someone, they are our brethren and we better treat them right. (No racism no sexism, only love and equality)

Besides, anyone that doesn't take the Mark of the BEAST will only last a few months at best I reckon. Wayward Christians unprepared may hide out a while but eventually they will have to eat, and be forced to get the damnable MARK. Why is it damnable, because it sends the bearer to Hell, and literally dams them. Unsubmissive Muslims, (Allah bless them for not yielding to the Evil man) may also hold out a while, but if they don't yield they obviously will be obliterated. Similiarly surely a few of our Jewish brethren will not want to worship a mere man (but Dragon or devil possessed) and may decide not to yield, they also will be murdered (Rev 13, Dan ) but they won't last long. (even though I would assume they would have a spiritual reward for resisting)

But why ONLY 144,000, because Jesus didn't say there would be millions and billions of His sheep in the End-Time, only 1,000's He asked would there be faith on Earth when He returned, and by his answer it seems like very little. Again He said, "straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leadeth to life but FEW find it." We may wish there were millions of us and do everything we possibly can to reach others and new people outside the supposed circle of believers, but the Lord (and even Ezra in his book Esdras) says FEW.I mean in Daniel , it says the A.C. even destroys the power of the Holy people and even eventually kills our two prophets. So we may start out with 144,000, but it is obvious we all don't make it to the End (See Dead Sea Scrolls Sons of Light Sons of darkness War Scrolls) because we are literally fighting for our survival as the A.C. has declared War on us, even though we have some protection like the original Children of God in the wilderness. We have to do our part and fight, defend ourselves, contend for the faith, together not individually in every far flung field.

We are gathered together and actually have the Tabernacle, Ark and Spirit of YHWH, without it we wouldn't last more than a few days in the wilderness. If we are directed to eventually go to Petra, 144,000 can easily fit within its walls, whereas millions and millions wouldn't. And again as our Lord and literal Saviour from the A.C. said, For as in the days Of Noah so also shall the coming of the Son of Man be (Mathew 24) Noah knew Decades before the Flood, and we also have been warned decades before the latter Day Rain that floods the ungodly. So we will have to gather to survive, we have to have an Ark, and from 2 Maccabies 2, it appears we do have one for our protection, as it has been stored away for our use in the ENDTIME.

For as in the days of Noah when the Lord saved 8 people from the world's population, if only 144,000 are saved today in the End out of 6,000,000 or so living souls, that ratio would be about 1 in 40,000. And this is consistent with the projecting population of about 333,000 people who lived on the Earth back in Noah's day, the seventh generation after Adam and Eve. (SEE Adam to the Flood). Ha and again it is interesting to note that the Lord's Millennium Temple as spoken about in Ezekiel 41, its huge court yard could just fit in 144,000 worshippers with standing or kneeling room space of approximately 22 inches square. And when you consider that the Lord shall be taking us to petra during the Tribulation, its area could easily handle the Lord's 144,000. (SEE Fleeing to Petra & Pics of Petra)

So according to the preponderance of scriptures and from real life experiences, I am now, convinced more than ever that there will be only 144,000 that the Lord will seal of all nationalities, tongues, tribes, and races to compose his New Nation of Believers that is born in a day and becomes His BRIDE during the upcoming Great Tribulation. And when you read what Ezra, the High Priest also said about the 'Thousands and not Millions' of believers, it makes what Jesus said about 'Strait is the gate and narrow is the way that leaadeth to life and FEW therebe that find it' make even more sense. So maybe there are fewrer of us, than we thought and we truly do have to seek to find the 'lost sheep' of the house of Spiritual Israel.

In His Service . . . . Jordan (Jay)

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144,000 in Great Pyramid written in 2005
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David Jordan, what book are you reading??? Bloodlines don't matter??? Why is the bible about Israel the people if it does not matter??? Why are the 144000 from all the tribes if it doesn't matter? Explain yourself please.
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You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the aliens who have settled among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. Ezekiel 47:22 In whatever tribe the alien settles, there you are to give him his inheritance," declares the Sovereign LORD.
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Musical, Colors of our Tribes in the End Time
The LORD'S Harmonic Circle

In the Tribulation just as in the First Exodus of the Children of Israel, we shall have the 'Ark and the Tabernacle' and circle around it in our respective Tribal origins. Everything being in order and everyone being in their proper Tribe. (SEE 144,000) So consider this possibility BELOW of how the Lord shall arrange us harmonically both in Tribes, as well as in light (Colors) and sound (Musical notes). His whole Encampment will be harmonically ONE in my opinion.
And the Star of David or Seal of Solomon symbol, the two interlocking triangles, seems to be in fact the shape of this tribe placement by the Lord (SEE Graphics Here ) The Tribes of Israel as in the past, must circle around the tabernacle, the first tribe being Judah, towards the EAST. In an orderly fashin eash tribe finds its place and encamps under its Banner, Standard and Ensign. So after Judah comes ..... Issachar and Zebulun; Reuben, Simeon and Gad; Ephraim, Manasseh and Benjamin; Dan, Asher and lastly Naphtali. And yet spirally inwards we have the central pristly Tribe who was in charge of the tabernacle and its ministrations, the tribe of the Levites.



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With these verses I can show you that your theory is wrong . This will only be possible with television .

7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

That could not have happened back then but it can now with 24hour media coverage .

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The two witnesses


Revelation 11:3-13 (King James Version)

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and
threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks
standing before the God of the earth.

(antichrist/satan = god of this earth/world ; 2Cor. 4:4)

5 And if any man will hurt them,
fire proceedeth out of their mouth,
and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them,
he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven,
that it rain not in the days of their prophecy:
and have power over waters to turn them to blood,
and to smite the earth with all plagues,
as often as they will.

Mid - Trib

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall
make war against them,
and shall overcome them, and kill them.


(Mid Trib - When satan indwells antichrist) Rev.13
Abomination of Desolation - satan declares himself god

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street
of the great city, which spiritually is called
Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and
nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half,
and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over
them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another;
because these two prophets tormented them
that dwelt on the earth.


11 And after three days and an half
the spirit of life from God entered into them,
and they stood upon their feet;

and great fear fell upon them which saw them.


12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them,
Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven
in a cloud;
and their enemies beheld them.


13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake,
and the tenth part of the city fell (earthly Jerusalem),
and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand:
and "the remnant" were affrighted,
and gave GLORY to the God of heaven.


God Bless His Word


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With these verses I can show you that your theory is wrong . This will only be possible with television .

7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

That could not have happened back then but it can now with 24hour media coverage .

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The two witnesses


Revelation 11:3-13 (King James Version)

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and
threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks
standing before the God of the earth.

(antichrist/satan = god of this earth/world ; 2Cor. 4:4)

5 And if any man will hurt them,
fire proceedeth out of their mouth,
and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them,
he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven,
that it rain not in the days of their prophecy:
and have power over waters to turn them to blood,
and to smite the earth with all plagues,
as often as they will.

Mid - Trib

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall
make war against them,
and shall overcome them, and kill them.


(Mid Trib - When satan indwells antichrist) Rev.13
Abomination of Desolation - satan declares himself god

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street
of the great city, which spiritually is called
Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and
nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half,
and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over
them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another;
because these two prophets tormented them
that dwelt on the earth.


11 And after three days and an half
the spirit of life from God entered into them,
and they stood upon their feet;

and great fear fell upon them which saw them.


12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them,
Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven
in a cloud;
and their enemies beheld them.


13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake,
and the tenth part of the city fell (earthly Jerusalem),
and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand:
and "the remnant" were affrighted,
and gave GLORY to the God of heaven.


God Bless His Word


.
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Yes, but you smply reposted King James Revelation.

And added only one discernment that I saw, you suggested the AC got possessed in the middle of the Tribulation (of 7 years) to this I AGREE.

But now, you must go further and study all the scriptures and all the prophecy about our Two Witnesses not just the obvious ones...

Try Zechariah, try Two branches, Try Boaz and Jachin, stidy temple design etc.. etc etc etc...

Keep going
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Good job brother. Seek the two witnesses after the dollar crashes. After the Americans run out six of Babylons heads from the states.

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Yes we get put in tribes, as we are organized and have an EXODUS to accomplish.

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Only 144,000

There will only be 144,000 Christians surviving and fighting during the tribulation Period as prophesied by Daniel. For as much as I have fought the idea of only 144,000 as elitism, exclusivism or whatever you want to call it, more and more facts seem to indicate that NO there are only 144,000 that are chosen by the Lord in the Tribulation. For the the Revelation of Jesus Christ distinctly says, there are 144,000 of the twelve tribes of obedient spiritual Israel sealed (Rev 7) ...(Of course many can be confused right here in the beginning by thinking these are political, natural born, flesh and blood Israeli's many ofwhom have rejected the Messianship and the Lamb, Jesus Christ, but if they can get beyond the replacement doctrine that switched the blessings reserved for obedient spiritual Israel to those that reject the Lord, and those that are nationalistic, they have a chance at discernment)

For only heart not flesh is the qualification for entry into the Lord's fold as so many verses and the Spirit tell us. Similarly we must also remember that Christians that haven't been raptured before the Covenant signing at the start of Daniel's Last Seven Years and those not Raptured (because none are) in the middle of the seven years are still going to be around although totally unprepared as the ones before Noah's flood, and those virgins unprepared with Spirit in their lamps.)

So if the angel of Revelations 7 hasn't put the Seal of YHWH or God on our forehead, we are definitely in trouble, as we have absolutely no protection from the God - created instruments of judgment described in the 5th and 6th trumpets of the Great Tribulation. People can survive the first four one-third strength natural disasters if fortunate to be living in the right place, but they will not evade these insect monsters that literally arise and torment those on EARTH that are not protected with the SEAL of God. This isn't fantasy, or spiritual, but actual real life events. Besides if the angel seals us we are brethren and an instant sisterhood, because the Lord has selected us not some church or denomination. He selects, He chooses those that have chosen Him or who He knows would love Him if given a chance even if they are Of Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or New Age heritage. Anyone searching for the truth will find the Truth in Jesus (Yeshua) for He is fair and just IMO. and He will include any jewish, or any Christian, or any Muslim that accepts Him.

. Anyway, we can escape the first four plagues sent down to the Earth, by our 2 prophets because we go to the wilderness and these first four are more local in their destruction rather than worldwide like number 5 and 6. But there is no middle ground, either you have the seal or you don't. If you have it, you are into the lord's encampment if you don't you are out. No trial period, no fill out a question form, we will test you etc. etc., if the Lord seals someone, they are our brethren and we better treat them right. (No racism no sexism, only love and equality)

Besides, anyone that doesn't take the Mark of the BEAST will only last a few months at best I reckon. Wayward Christians unprepared may hide out a while but eventually they will have to eat, and be forced to get the damnable MARK. Why is it damnable, because it sends the bearer to Hell, and literally dams them. Unsubmissive Muslims, (Allah bless them for not yielding to the Evil man) may also hold out a while, but if they don't yield they obviously will be obliterated. Similiarly surely a few of our Jewish brethren will not want to worship a mere man (but Dragon or devil possessed) and may decide not to yield, they also will be murdered (Rev 13, Dan ) but they won't last long. (even though I would assume they would have a spiritual reward for resisting)

But why ONLY 144,000, because Jesus didn't say there would be millions and billions of His sheep in the End-Time, only 1,000's He asked would there be faith on Earth when He returned, and by his answer it seems like very little. Again He said, "straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leadeth to life but FEW find it." We may wish there were millions of us and do everything we possibly can to reach others and new people outside the supposed circle of believers, but the Lord (and even Ezra in his book Esdras) says FEW.I mean in Daniel , it says the A.C. even destroys the power of the Holy people and even eventually kills our two prophets. So we may start out with 144,000, but it is obvious we all don't make it to the End (See Dead Sea Scrolls Sons of Light Sons of darkness War Scrolls) because we are literally fighting for our survival as the A.C. has declared War on us, even though we have some protection like the original Children of God in the wilderness. We have to do our part and fight, defend ourselves, contend for the faith, together not individually in every far flung field.

We are gathered together and actually have the Tabernacle, Ark and Spirit of YHWH, without it we wouldn't last more than a few days in the wilderness. If we are directed to eventually go to Petra, 144,000 can easily fit within its walls, whereas millions and millions wouldn't. And again as our Lord and literal Saviour from the A.C. said, For as in the days Of Noah so also shall the coming of the Son of Man be (Mathew 24) Noah knew Decades before the Flood, and we also have been warned decades before the latter Day Rain that floods the ungodly. So we will have to gather to survive, we have to have an Ark, and from 2 Maccabies 2, it appears we do have one for our protection, as it has been stored away for our use in the ENDTIME.

For as in the days of Noah when the Lord saved 8 people from the world's population, if only 144,000 are saved today in the End out of 6,000,000 or so living souls, that ratio would be about 1 in 40,000. And this is consistent with the projecting population of about 333,000 people who lived on the Earth back in Noah's day, the seventh generation after Adam and Eve. (SEE Adam to the Flood). Ha and again it is interesting to note that the Lord's Millennium Temple as spoken about in Ezekiel 41, its huge court yard could just fit in 144,000 worshippers with standing or kneeling room space of approximately 22 inches square. And when you consider that the Lord shall be taking us to petra during the Tribulation, its area could easily handle the Lord's 144,000. (SEE Fleeing to Petra & Pics of Petra)

So according to the preponderance of scriptures and from real life experiences, I am now, convinced more than ever that there will be only 144,000 that the Lord will seal of all nationalities, tongues, tribes, and races to compose his New Nation of Believers that is born in a day and becomes His BRIDE during the upcoming Great Tribulation. And when you read what Ezra, the High Priest also said about the 'Thousands and not Millions' of believers, it makes what Jesus said about 'Strait is the gate and narrow is the way that leaadeth to life and FEW therebe that find it' make even more sense. So maybe there are fewrer of us, than we thought and we truly do have to seek to find the 'lost sheep' of the house of Spiritual Israel.

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There are more than 144,000 bro. There are other mentions or people throughout the Bible.
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For those that think worldly violent Israel is the Israel of the Lord, do think again and study in FULL, for they are not spiritual Israel.

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The Branches of Judah and Ephraim, for they are the Two End Time Candlesticks (Branches – Families - Lineages) that will light the way until the END and the Lord’s Coming.

For NOW, in the End Time, the most important thing we should be doing is finding out who the Lord’s anointed TWO are and follow them. Discerning who is the Anti-Christ and False Prophet is no where near as important as finding the positive and the faith building evidence of the Lord’s promises to us in these Latter Days. We will be stronger than them, when we follow the Lord’s anointed. For only they have been gifted to lead us on to victory.

For no organization will help anyone except the duly anointed and appointed and crowned TWO WITNESSES. Everything and every move before this time means nothing, once it is their TIME. All the organization and numbers of previous organizations and their accomplishments and fruit mean absolutely nothing, ONLY finding the Pillars of the End Time Bride. For in following them, we shall be following the Lord



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The greatest temple being the Tabernacle and Holy of Holies CUBE, with the ultimate Temple being 'our divine created bodies' which were made without hands.

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There are more than 144,000 bro. There are other mentions or people throughout the Bible.

Sorry limited space in Petra, and the Lord has already dictated the numbers, location, pathway, leaders, and timing. Do take it up with HIM, but you are right there are more than 144,000 Christians in the End Time, but only the 144,000 GATHER and EXODUS and serve with the TWO WITNESSES.

These TWO go back and forth from Petra to Jerusalem and bring HELL on Earth to those marked.

The rest of the Christians worldwide, fight away but shant last long. God bless them, as they die in the Lord, but missed the greatest calling, still they are saved and shall be their at HIS COMING.

The Lord never loses any of His SHEEP.

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As I said Apocalypse 3:11 indicates the two who give testimony/testicles are also the olive trees.

It was forbidden in Torah the acceoptance of men with DAMAGED TESTICLES and whomever ever studied the temple would know the whole structure is ANTROPOMORPHIC, that is in the shape of a human being with the TWO PILLARS being the columns of the human "earth" or body. Shall I show you?
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Jerusalem temple had a porch near Holy Place, that was the genitalia part:
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Brain (Holy of Holies) and spirit
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Egyptian temples the same thing
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Well, it does seem it was important the physical laws, heh?
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The spirit of laws matter much more than the letter of the law. Scribes and pharisees are expert at evading the spirit and circumventing a law in saying they are obedient to the law and all laws, but Jesus said different to them
Read Mathew 23 etc etc etc... for details

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The greatest temple being the Tabernacle and Holy of Holies CUBE, with the ultimate Temple being 'our divine created bodies' which were made without hands.

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The tabernacle and temple was a physical representation of the spiritual as mentioned. My hyperlinks have been banned as spam.... because they are too detailed and unique and true.

But Yes the Human Body is the ultimate Temple

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The prophet Jeremiah said, 'Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these.'(7: 4), because people tend to believe in the physical building whether a church or ynagogue or mosque, and think the building is holy and blessed rather than God. They worship a thing rather than the Creator of all things. And it is for this reason that the prophet Hosea repeated this message in saying, 'Israel hath forgotten his Maker, and buildeth temples' (8: 14).

And yet King David felt convicted when he lived in a beautiful house and so wanted the Lord to have a beautiful earthly house or temple as well, rather than just the portable Tabernacle. And so his Son 'Solomon built him an house. Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? Hath not my hand made all these things? (Acts 7: 47-50).

But the Temple wasn't to be worshipped, for even Jesus himself said, the second Temple in Jerusalem would again be destroyed just as Solomon's was. (Mathew 24: 1-2). Because temples are temporal and only a shadow of the real spiritual reality. For as the Lord taught all his disciples, 'Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? (I Corinthinians 3: 16). In other words, we are His temple that he wants to live inside. He wants to be part of us and in our hearts to guide us. 'For (we) are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. (2 Corinthinians 6: 16) We are the composition of His temple, we are the stones that make it up, just as peter said, 'Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

We are the Bride of Christ that the Bridegroom loves and adores. We are the one that He wants to unite with and become One with, and of whom He will not be ashamed to say that we are His Bride and Beloved. (SEE Bride of Christ Scriptures in Old Testament). And it is this physical/spiritual union that we celebrate in the Communion that we celebrate in honour to His remembrance. Our bodies are His temple and we are his Bride, and it is for this reason that sexual symbolism is so integral in the sacred divine design of Solomon's Temple. (SEE Lord's Temple, Architecture and Sex) David didn't make it up out of his own imagination, but got the details straight from the Lord himself.

And it is for this reason, that Solomon's Temple foreshadows the Bridegroom's entry into His Bride at our Wedding Feast after the End of His-Story (See Revelations Timeline). For the light entering the opening of the Holy Place has this obvious connotation in sexuality and is seen in almost all sacred structures. (SEE Lightning, Electricity and Sex) And yet if you think that sex is from the devil, rather than made by the Lord, then surely these things will be hard for you to understand. But into the pure all things are pure. (SEE Sex is Divine)

But do the research for yourself, and don't just read my writings, and then compare what you learn with this website called 'King's Solomon's Temple Secrets'. Its explanations are good and graphics easy to understand, even though the author thinks he can copyright the Lord's design, it's still an excellent resource to study in my opinion. And if you hyperlink to his sexual parallels and explanations, all these truths become clearer and clearer, if you have an open mind. So if interested read and study his, 'Sexual Symobolism of Solomon's Temple'.

The evidence in history and design and scriptures is pretty convincing, the more you look into it, because the physical parallels the spiritual. For Solomon's Temple does appear to be in the design pattern of our sacred bodies which were 'Made in His Image'. And as can be seen on the web-site it even co-relates to prophecy in Daniel 2, and the image of man shown to King Nebucanezar by the Lord himself. And yet the author and webmaster of the preceeding web-site, is a little leary in explaining the sexuality of the Temple of the Lord, so let's go a step further into possible explanations, especially in relationship to the Lord's Future Prophecy and the Two Pillars in front of the Temple. (Consider Jachin and Boaz Pillars )

For as the Bible and this site mentions, it is decorated with lilies which are a love symbol and feminine. While its pomegranates are obviously masculine and symbolic of the fertility and power of its seeds which we all know come from the male testes. And these are placed on the chapiters of the two pillars that are at the entrance of the Holy Place and its doors. The sacred chamber of course being symbolic of the vagina, and the Holy of Holies being the Womb, dark and lit only by the Light of Light and His Spirit. The Holy of Holies being the most sacred of all places, from whence all creation started and where the Spirit of God resides in all Holiness. (SEE Creation not Evolution)

But outside the temple, the two pillars are representative of our two prophets in the End-Time called the 'Two Witnesses' (Revelation 11). And these are the two that guard the entrance way into the Lord's Holy Place or Encampment in the Last Days. (SEE Shepherd's Rod and Entrance test). The one pillar is our King, while the other is our priest or priestess. Why, do I say, there is a possibility that is have a priestess as our priest in the End-Time in carrying for the Ark and the Tabernacle, because in esoteric scriptures, it sometimes refers to them as a he and she, a male and female, a perfect balancing of Jochim and Boaz, one white and one black, as in the Song of Solomon and its passionate love story between them. For do remember in the Last days, every bond shall broken and there will be racial and sexual 'Equality' with the Lord and among His people.

Therefore it appears that the sex is involved in the Lord's design of his Temple. And we are that temple, because He doesn't dwell in a Temple made with hands but in us, living temples made by His Hands. We therefore need to receive His Spirit to receive Him and His Salvation ....and then we shall be an ETERNAL TEMPLE of the LIVING GOD.

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I would like to know what's the basis of this concept. I'm not denying nor afford. I just wanna know who says our divine bodies have no hands and why it's said this. We can say it had wings or not, what's the basis of this? Is it real experience of people who have seen this in meditative contemplation or what? Is it double spirit, Egyptian ka or ba or Paul's idea of body of glory or what?
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Made without hands, in this case, refers to a creation of the Lord, and not by mere human hands.

IE our human bodies were not made by parents, the mother and father. They just made love and carried on the design of the human form, which is designed exactly after the form and ratios of the Lord exactly. Why because the Golden section is beauty and beautiful.

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Draw a straight line on a paper. Now, divide up that line witha mark so that the division is the most pleasing to your eye. Thisis beauty and its exact for all nationalities and all cultures as science has now found out. For the division made by people around the world is always very close to the 'GOLDEN SECTION'. This is beauty because it was created by the Lord to be beautiful. (SEE also Golden Section Design in the Human Body with Graphics)

For even though many will say I can't say that… I can because beauty is NOT subjective nor personal but objective and exact. The closer we get to the perfect ratio or the perfect division the closer we get to considering something beautiful. All architects are taught this principle of what composes beauty and what will please the 'eye of the beholder'.

So let's go back to your line and the two sections you created with your line division. If you hit on the exact ratio or percentage of one section being 61.8 % and the other being 38.2% of the whole of 100 %, then you have hit the exact balance that is beautiful. WHY, because instinctively you have the smaller section in proportion to the larger section as the larger section is to the whole. In other words .382 is to .618 what .618 is to 1.000. (SEE Golden Section Graphics)

Did you catch it, this simple little division is both additive and multiplicative, each new section would be 1.618 times as large as the last one, and so as you progress, you keep this exact beautiful relationship and it magnifies itself. It is totally balanced. “Huh ?” you’re saying “I don't like math and I don’t understand it. But I know what’s beautiful”And if you’re a man, you’ll probably say. “Now there’s beauty, look at that woman !!! Whoee, there’s beauty” (SEE Beautiful Woman)

Exactly, now we are making progress again, for these exact ratios of beauty are incorporated by the Creator in making a woman beautiful. For take a closer look, at her demensions, (and all the guys start tuning into class a little more) See the difference in the diameter of her ankle compared to her calf, isn't it 1.618 times as large when she’s truly in shape and close to perfection. And doesn't the smaller ratio or diameter of her thigh compared to its largest diameter near the hip also approximate 1.618 times as large. And why do you think that hour glass figure attracts you so much, its mathematics boys, and you were meant to be attracted to it, because you also are made with this template as is all Creation.

Whoa, Jay, let's get back to looking at girls. O.K. see the exact location of her navel in our models tummy. Well that is where she was connected from in her creative process from the womb, Right? Well, it’s exactly at the place of division where you separated your straight line at. Her belly button is located at the Golden Section of her body and all bodies. And this is why we are beautiful. We are merely responding naturally to the way we ourselves were created. For as the Bible says, “for no man or no woman yet has hated his own body” because we they were divinely created in its ideal, although none of us need worry about whether we reach the ideal perfection.

Nevertheless as I alluded to before, all nationalities have this same Ideal sense of beauty. Every culture has the same basic conception of What a beautiful woman should look like as reasearchers have now found out. Beauty is not dictated by our cultures but by our very creation. But WHY?

Well to get back to our ratios, which I’m, sure you wish I’d stop talking about, this Golden Section ration of 1 to 1.618, means if you takeTwo lines with these comparative distances you can then create a perfect 5 pointed star. You will be able to create the extremely difficult to make STAR shape, (SEE Sexy Star of David) and it incorporates this Golden Section. “SO ?”Well what this means is that you are designed with the Golden section, and you are designed as a literal STAR, which is why you are attracted to other STARS. It's like a physical law of attraction.

A student raises his hand “Too much hocus pocus Jay, I think you are reading way too much into this perfect ratio stuff”

Well thanks for responding, but if you will now put your hand down, and look at it for a minute, you’ll note again exactly what I have been talking about. Look at your fingers and their joints. Notice how your hand can curl around and make a spiral like a sea shell. Well many sea shells are designed by the Lord, the Creator, to conform exactly to a Golden Section Spiral. See your last digit on any finger, now look at the length of the one closer to your wrist, and down til you get to your palm.There it is again, your very hand is designed to be beautiful with a multiplicative Golden Section in mind. Each division gets progressively 1.618 times as long as the last. And when you get to the wrist notice again that the forearm tends to be close to that beautiful ratio again of 1.618 times as large. And then the lower arm to the bicep area, again 1.618 times as large. Are you getting the point ? Are you now catching the reason why all us humans tend to see beauty in the same way as it comes from the HAND of the CREATOR, HIMSELF.

For isn’t this why the Psalmist say. 'For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. We are beautiful Creations of God. Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God, created he him; male and female created he them. But because we are so beautiful, the Lord didn’t want us to worship ourselves, and so told us not to even make statues or images of ourselves. It's just too much enticement for us humans to want to go and start worshipping our own images whether in a mirror or in a artistic statute. For as was written .

Eze 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD. Eze 16:15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty,

And this is where beauty gets mankind in trouble, beause we start taking the credit to ourselves as if we ourselves created it or made it Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

So where did beauty originate from? ….. from Our Creator, in all His starry Universes and all his creations here on Earth. This is why we should be saying Psa 107:8 Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men! The LORD is beauty and beautiful

In my opinion, what's yours ?

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When I wrote about physical laws, is THAT and I was not talking about Torah laws as interpreted by scribes or pharisees. We have already agreeded they just saw the exterior rites.

Please do not paste huge ammount of information I already know. As you can see I put the images of the temple with explanations about sex, brain, heart , etc... so I don't need to be convinced , hence you don't need to repeat to me what I know and I posted. I am asking specific question about the HANDS so don't beat around the bush.
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But outside the temple, the two pillars are representative of our two prophets in the End-Time called the 'Two Witnesses' (Revelation 11). And these are the two that guard the entrance way into the Lord's Holy Place or Encampment in the Last Days. (SEE Shepherd's Rod and Entrance test). The one pillar is our King, while the other is our priest or priestess. Why, do I say, there is a possibility that is have a priestess as our priest in the End-Time in carrying for the Ark and the Tabernacle, because in esoteric scriptures, it sometimes refers to them as a he and she, a male and female, a perfect balancing of Jochim and Boaz, one white and one black, as in the Song of Solomon and its passionate love story between them. For do remember in the Last days, every bond shall broken and there will be racial and sexual 'Equality' with the Lord and among His people.
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I would like to know what's the basis of this concept. I'm not denying nor afford. I just wanna know who says our divine bodies have no hands and why it's said this. We can say it had wings or not, what's the basis of this? Is it real experience of people who have seen this in meditative contemplation or what? Is it double spirit, Egyptian ka or ba or Paul's idea of body of glory or what?

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Revelation 21:5 (King James Version)

5 And he that sat upon the throne said,
Behold, I make
all things new.
And he said unto me,
Write: for these words are true and faithful.



Revelation 21:9-10 (King James Version)

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had
the seven vials full of the seven last plagues,
and talked with me, saying, Come hither,
I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.


10 And he carried me away in the spirit
to a great and high mountain,
and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem,
descending out of heaven from God,



The Millennial City, New Jerusalem.


God Bless His Word
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Re: The Two Witnesses .
When I wrote about physical laws, is THAT and I was not talking about Torah laws as interpreted by scribes or pharisees. We have already agreeded they just saw the exterior rites.

Please do not paste huge ammount of information I already know. As you can see I put the images of the temple with explanations about sex, brain, heart , etc... so I don't need to be convinced , hence you don't need to repeat to me what I know and I posted. I am asking specific question about the HANDS so don't beat around the bush.
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This discussion is not just about you... It is for all to follow along.

Made without hands, is a bible quote repeated over and over and over and over again, that you should have known already.

Type in 'made without hands' in bluebible, or bablegateway.com etc....

Past tabernacle was made with hands, made by men at the instruction of the Lord, whereas the human body was made without hands, and not made by man.

A simple comprehension, and principle.

Use class and respect when asking questions.
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