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The Two Witnesses .

 
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Made without hands, in this case, refers to a creation of the Lord, and not by mere human hands.

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Ah, you are clear now. It was the creation not made with human hands and not our original body without hands. The rest of your answer is pasting forever the things you have in files after files and have caressed during God knows how long as truthallthetruthandnothingbutthetruth, right? I guess if you print 1000 times you're in the Lord's service just because you learn some things and share with others, that means something really important, hehehe!
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But outside the temple, the two pillars are representative of our two prophets in the End-Time called the 'Two Witnesses' (Revelation 11). And these are the two that guard the entrance way into the Lord's Holy Place or Encampment in the Last Days. (SEE Shepherd's Rod and Entrance test). The one pillar is our King, while the other is our priest or priestess. Why, do I say, there is a possibility that is have a priestess as our priest in the End-Time in carrying for the Ark and the Tabernacle, because in esoteric scriptures, it sometimes refers to them as a he and she, a male and female, a perfect balancing of Jochim and Boaz, one white and one black, as in the Song of Solomon and its passionate love story between them. For do remember in the Last days, every bond shall broken and there will be racial and sexual 'Equality' with the Lord and among His people.
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Hence the Wedding ...

Then the angel said to me, Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!' And he added, These are the true words of God. Revelation 19:9
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Yes, because there is a difference between those that are just mere Christians and those that followed the Lamb withersoever He goeth and were HIS BRIDE.

The Bride of 144,000 will be going to the Marriage SUPPER OF THE LAMB.... all are not intimate with the Lord, only those that gave all to HIM and followed Him withersoever He went.... and served HIM to the END

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Made without hands, in this case, refers to a creation of the Lord, and not by mere human hands.

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Ah, you are clear now. It was the creation not made with human hands and not our original body without hands. The rest of your answer is pasting forever the things you have in files after files and have caressed during God knows how long as truthallthetruthandnothingbutthetruth, right? I guess if you print 1000 times you're in the Lord's service just because you learn some things and share with others, that means something really important, hehehe!
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These are not on file, but on-line and yet GLP has banned them from being put HERE as a hyperlink, because it so hinders discussions because they are too conclusive and show DESIGN too well.

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But outside the temple, the two pillars are representative of our two prophets in the End-Time called the 'Two Witnesses' (Revelation 11). And these are the two that guard the entrance way into the Lord's Holy Place or Encampment in the Last Days. (SEE Shepherd's Rod and Entrance test). The one pillar is our King, while the other is our priest or priestess. Why, do I say, there is a possibility that is have a priestess as our priest in the End-Time in carrying for the Ark and the Tabernacle, because in esoteric scriptures, it sometimes refers to them as a he and she, a male and female, a perfect balancing of Jochim and Boaz, one white and one black, as in the Song of Solomon and its passionate love story between them. For do remember in the Last days, every bond shall broken and there will be racial and sexual 'Equality' with the Lord and among His people.
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Hence the Wedding ...

Then the angel said to me, Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!' And he added, These are the true words of God. Revelation 19:9
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Yes, because there is a difference between those that are just mere Christians and those that followed the Lamb withersoever He goeth and were HIS BRIDE.

The Bride of 144,000 will be going to the Marriage SUPPER OF THE LAMB.... all are not intimate with the Lord, only those that gave all to HIM and followed Him withersoever He went.... and served HIM to the END

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12Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name. Rev 3
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The greatest temple being the Tabernacle and Holy of Holies CUBE, with the ultimate Temple being 'our divine created bodies' which were made without hands.

Images???????????
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I would like to know what's the basis of this concept. I'm not denying nor afford. I just wanna know who says our divine bodies have no hands and why it's said this. We can say it had wings or not, what's the basis of this? Is it real experience of people who have seen this in meditative contemplation or what? Is it double spirit, Egyptian ka or ba or Paul's idea of body of glory or what?

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Revelation 21:5 (King James Version)

5 And he that sat upon the throne said,
Behold, I make
all things new.
And he said unto me,
Write: for these words are true and faithful.



Revelation 21:9-10 (King James Version)

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had
the seven vials full of the seven last plagues,
and talked with me, saying, Come hither,
I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.


10 And he carried me away in the spirit
to a great and high mountain,
and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem,
descending out of heaven from God,



The Millennial City, New Jerusalem.


God Bless His Word
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Bro, don't be afraid to explain what you post. Bible quoting without explanation, usually never explains much, and sometimes makes others think you are robotic.
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This discussion is not just about you... It is for all to follow along.

Made without hands, is a bible quote repeated over and over and over and over again, that you should have known already.

Type in 'made without hands' in bluebible, or bablegateway.com etc....

Past tabernacle was made with hands, made by men at the instruction of the Lord, whereas the human body was made without hands, and not made by man.

A simple comprehension, and principle.

Use class and respect when asking questions.
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Yes, I am familiar with the term but you added a context. You wrote "with the ultimate Temple being 'our divine created bodies' which were made without hands" so the way you wrote it looked like you were saying our bodies had no hands. Yes, the topic is not about myself. I just came 2 pages ago and it seems obvious you want to be the ultimate poster writing the final statement. Nothing wrong with me if you want to rise up your EGO to non-Christian realms. It's UP 2U anyways. I just hate the fact you answer specific questions pasting a ton od info that wasn't asked as if you're trying to convince all the rest with your chit chat. If you care to respond to me, then do it straight without bla-bla-bla what I know. Anyway there's absolutely nothing you have said that was new for me as anyone can check since the moment I posted. So, have fun in the service of the Lord if you think what you're doing is that. Massage to your own ego IMHO.
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The temple of God was made without hands not our bodies were made without hands.
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Unfortunately as mentioned, my simple links are banned which exactly answers your queries.

So as mentioned I have to post in FULL all the link rather than just posting the hyperlink.

That's not ego, that's called making information available for all and not for just you. besides you say, you know it all or most everything already.
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The temple of God was made without hands not our bodies were made without hands.
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... made not with hands = born.
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Unfortunately as mentioned, my simple links are banned which exactly answers your queries.

So as mentioned I have to post in FULL all the link rather than just posting the hyperlink.

That's not ego, that's called making information available for all and not for just you. besides you say, you know it all or most everything already.
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NAH, I don't know even an "inch" of everything, so your sarcasm is worthless. I know everything YOU posted and many things I wouldn't even spend my time correcting. Just focused on the right things you wrote.
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The temple of God was made without hands not our bodies were made without hands.
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... made not with hands = born.
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If you’re refering to ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny, okey, I understand you’re saying “=born”:
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As you can see even at that level we’re more akin to rabbits, hogs and a calf than apes!
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The temple of God was made without hands not our bodies were made without hands.
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... made not with hands = born.
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If you’re refering to ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny, okey, I understand you’re saying “=born”:
[link to www.igs.net]
As you can see even at that level we’re more akin to rabbits, hogs and a calf than apes!
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It was the human body made in the image of God, neither an animal, nor the fetus.
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Jesus inspired and told Moses how to build the demensions of the Tabernacle, and told David how to build the exact demensions of the Temple.

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I'm sorry to say Jesus didn't inspire nor told Moses anything. Am I talking with the guy in this photo?
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With all do respect to your knowledge, not even the name "Jesus" existed at that time. The letter "j" was invented by a French humanist Pierre de la Rameé about 1600 years AFTER Christ because of the Medieval tendency to CURVE the letter "i" to the left. That's the reason why the "j" still has a dot above just like "i". And for the same reason that letter called 'jota' was set immediately after the "i" called 'iota' in the alphabet (a,b, c, d, e, f, g , h , I, J...) which is something relevant millions ignore. That explains why in some translations in Mathew 5:18 the smallest Hebrew letter sometimes is written as "j" or "i" and whenever jewish people want they call it "yod" or "iod" with Y rather than J or I. An that is related not just with Christ's name but also the god of the Bible. In a nutshell, 'Jesus' didn't exist 2000 years ago as a name translated that way.

And I have some news: neither he spoke English so even when people talk 'Jesus' they are completely unaware the sound of that 'J' is like H in Spanish or like X in Greek and Russian and in books explaining "Hebrew" (actually Aramaic from Babylon) in the same book they write in one page the feast Hanukah while in other is Chanukah because that was Medieval German which influenced modern sound of Hebrew yidish. That CH like English H in words that in the past were different. NiGHT was niCHt.....

And not only Christ had his name changed by the jewish people because he was killed as a cursed ones and the ones with such death had to be forgotten or erased from memory of men, but HE DIDN'T INSPIRE SOL0MON TEMPLE EITHER.

In Acts 7:30, 37, 38 we read Moses never saw really God but a messanger, an angel. Now even Exodus 23:20, 21 tells us about the angel with God's name in him, as if he were a sort of ambassador. But by this time you should've known when was Christ historically changed into a divine creature which has nothing to do with inner kingdom and the son of man becoming the son of God henceforth the Logos-Word Christ as co-creator is no longer needed.
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The temple of God was made without hands not our bodies were made without hands.
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... made not with hands = born.
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Exactly, born in the Image of God, which is the image of man, because God's Image is golden section designed.

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Jesus inspired and told Moses how to build the demensions of the Tabernacle, and told David how to build the exact demensions of the Temple.

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I'm sorry to say Jesus didn't inspire nor told Moses anything. Am I talking with the guy in this photo?
[link to www.turkey_sandwich.yum]

With all do respect to your knowledge, not even the name "Jesus" existed at that time. The letter "j" was invented by a French humanist Pierre de la Rameé about 1600 years AFTER Christ because of the Medieval tendency to CURVE the letter "i" to the left. That's the reason why the "j" still has a dot above just like "i". And for the same reason that letter called 'jota' was set immediately after the "i" called 'iota' in the alphabet (a,b, c, d, e, f, g , h , I, J...) which is something relevant millions ignore. That explains why in some translations in Mathew 5:18 the smallest Hebrew letter sometimes is written as "j" or "i" and whenever jewish people want they call it "yod" or "iod" with Y rather than J or I. An that is related not just with Christ's name but also the god of the Bible. In a nutshell, 'Jesus' didn't exist 2000 years ago as a name translated that way.

And I have some news: neither he spoke English so even when people talk 'Jesus' they are completely unaware the sound of that 'J' is like H in Spanish or like X in Greek and Russian and in books explaining "Hebrew" (actually Aramaic from Babylon) in the same book they write in one page the feast Hanukah while in other is Chanukah because that was Medieval German which influenced modern sound of Hebrew yidish. That CH like English H in words that in the past were different. NiGHT was niCHt.....

And not only Christ had his name changed by the jewish people because he was killed as a cursed ones and the ones with such death had to be forgotten or erased from memory of men, but HE DIDN'T INSPIRE SOL0MON TEMPLE EITHER.

In Acts 7:30, 37, 38 we read Moses never saw really God but a messanger, an angel. Now even Exodus 23:20, 21 tells us about the angel with God's name in him, as if he were a sort of ambassador. But by this time you should've known when was Christ historically changed into a divine creature which has nothing to do with inner kingdom and the son of man becoming the son of God henceforth the Logos-Word Christ as co-creator is no longer needed.
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Jesus is the Son, the Almighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Creator... befoe Anraham was, jess was...as He himself stated.

He was the living Word, that created everything that IS
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Jesus inspired and told Moses how to build the demensions of the Tabernacle, and told David how to build the exact demensions of the Temple.

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I'm sorry to say Jesus didn't inspire nor told Moses anything. Am I talking with the guy in this photo?
[link to www.turkey_sandwich.yum]

With all do respect to your knowledge, not even the name "Jesus" existed at that time. The letter "j" was invented by a French humanist Pierre de la Rameé about 1600 years AFTER Christ because of the Medieval tendency to CURVE the letter "i" to the left. That's the reason why the "j" still has a dot above just like "i". And for the same reason that letter called 'jota' was set immediately after the "i" called 'iota' in the alphabet (a,b, c, d, e, f, g , h , I, J...) which is something relevant millions ignore. That explains why in some translations in Mathew 5:18 the smallest Hebrew letter sometimes is written as "j" or "i" and whenever jewish people want they call it "yod" or "iod" with Y rather than J or I. An that is related not just with Christ's name but also the god of the Bible. In a nutshell, 'Jesus' didn't exist 2000 years ago as a name translated that way.

And I have some news: neither he spoke English so even when people talk 'Jesus' they are completely unaware the sound of that 'J' is like H in Spanish or like X in Greek and Russian and in books explaining "Hebrew" (actually Aramaic from Babylon) in the same book they write in one page the feast Hanukah while in other is Chanukah because that was Medieval German which influenced modern sound of Hebrew yidish. That CH like English H in words that in the past were different. NiGHT was niCHt.....

And not only Christ had his name changed by the jewish people because he was killed as a cursed ones and the ones with such death had to be forgotten or erased from memory of men, but HE DIDN'T INSPIRE SOL0MON TEMPLE EITHER.

In Acts 7:30, 37, 38 we read Moses never saw really God but a messanger, an angel. Now even Exodus 23:20, 21 tells us about the angel with God's name in him, as if he were a sort of ambassador. But by this time you should've known when was Christ historically changed into a divine creature which has nothing to do with inner kingdom and the son of man becoming the son of God henceforth the Logos-Word Christ as co-creator is no longer needed.
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As mentioned whenever you post my website, the GLP changes it to turkey saqndwich because they deem my research spam as it shows way too much clarity and is almost impossible to counter in a discussion.
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The Word makes a comparison between the two witnesses and Joshua and Zerubbabel . It does not make sense that this could apply to many people and also one or both of the witnesses will be belong to the tribe of Levi and only those can be a part of the priesthood of God and only males belong to the priesthood . For all who want a different view of the witnesses , you are welcome here and will not be banned for offering different opinions .



Revelation 11:4 calls the two witnesses “the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.” This prophecy indicates that the prophecy about the two witnesses is directly linked to (or foreshadowed by) a prophecy in Zechariah 3-4 about two individuals called the “two olive trees.” Since Revelation 11 links the two witnesses to information in Zechariah 3-4’s prophecy, a digression into Zechariah’s prophecy is necessary to understand more about the two witnesses.
The prophecy in Zechariah 3-4 gives the names “Joshua” and “Zerubbabel” to the two men called the “two olive trees” in Zechariah 4:11, and it reveals that they are alive at a time “the foundation of this house” (verse 9) has been laid down. Zechariah and Haggai were two prophets who lived at the time of Ezra and Nehemiah (Ezra 5:1, 6:14), and Zechariah’s prophecy about the “two olive trees” likens them to two of their actual contemporaries who were named Joshua and Zerubbabel. Zerubbabel was a political officer and Joshua was a High Priest at that time (Haggai 1:1, 12). Since the two historic figures called the “two olive trees” are referenced in Revelation 11 as types of the two witnesses, it could indicate that one of the two witnesses will have a political background while the other “witness” will have a priestly/ministerial background.
Zechariah 4:6 states that Zerubbabel’s power will flow from God’s Holy Spirit. This is consistent with Revelation 11:3 that God’s power will energize the two witnesses at the time of their calling. Verse 7 prophesies that a “great mountain” will become “a plain” before Zerubbabel. Mountains are used in prophecies as types of human nations (Isaiah 1:1-4 is one such example). Zerubbabel will be able to turn “a great mountain” (a very powerful nation or alliance of nations) into “a plain.” In other words, God’s power will be so strong in Zerubbabel that the military power of mighty nations (or the “beast” power” of Revelation) will be “leveled” before Zerubbabel. No human military power will be able to stand before the Divine power that will flow through the Two Witnesses. Zerubbabel had been involved in “laying the foundation of the house” (i.e. an earlier Temple) in Zechariah 4:9, which may indicate that one of the two witnesses will be involved with the effort to build a temple of God in Jerusalem in the latter days, and that these efforts will proceed from a time of very humble beginnings (“the day of small things” in Zechariah 4:10). Zerubbabel uses a “plummet,” a tool used in construction measurements. This parallels the fact that the two witnesses will emerge at a time the latter-day temple is being “measured” (Revelation 11:1-2).
Zechariah 3 is a prophecy about “Joshua,” the other “olive tree” of this prophecy and a type of the other “witness” of Revelation 11. Zechariah 3:1 mentions that Joshua was serving as the high priest in Ezra’s time, and Joshua is personified as being between an “the angel of the Lord” and Satan (who is resisting or opposing him). This “Joshua” is at a nexus of a battle being waged between good and bad angels, but the Lord decides the contest in favor of a good outcome. The Lord rebukes Satan from opposing Joshua any further and then likens Joshua to a “brand plucked from the fire.” Joshua is further depicted as being clothed in “filthy garments” as he “stood before an angel.” A “brand plucked from the fire” pictures a stick or branch that is in the process of being ignited or burned in a fire, but which is “plucked” or rescued from the fire so it is not consumed.
This “Joshua” does not emerge unscathed from the spiritual contest between good and evil angels which has raged around him. His “filthy garments” indicate he is in a sinful or personally damaged state when he is “plucked from the fire” and rescued by God. In verses 4-5, God removes Joshua’s “iniquity” and he is figuratively given new, clean garments and a fair miter (the clothing of a priest). In other words, this individual is “cleaned up” or “restored” so he can perform the duties assigned to him by God. In verses 6-8, an angel gives Joshua a charge to walk in God’s ways in order to perform the priestly duties assigned to him. This is not the first time that God has chosen a spiritually-damaged or “unfit” individual to serve him in a prophetic capacity. When Isaiah was called to be a prophet, he protested that he was unworthy because he had “unclean lips” (Isaiah 6:5), and the Apostle Paul had previously been an enemy of God when known by his earlier surname of “Saul” (Acts 8-9).
Zechariah 4:11-14 describe Joshua and Zerubbabel not only as the “two olive trees,” but also as “the two anointed ones that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.” [Emphasis added.] This strongly parallels the role of the two witnesses of Revelation 11 who will serve as two “anointed ones” who will wield Divine power in a global ministry in the latter days. The separate descriptions of “Joshua” and “Zerubbabel” apparently give us clues about some aspects of the lives of the two people who will be called by God to be the two witnesses in the latter days. If not, why would God tell us in Revelation 11 that the two witnesses are the “two olive trees” and then give us specific information in Zechariah 3-4 about the two individuals personified in these roles?
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Luke 17:1-5

Christ showed 3 disciples who the 2 witnesses were (ELIJAH AND MOSES)...i guess you are too confused to see and know the truth of the reason Christ took the disciples to this mountain and showed them.
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What is interesting about Christians is they say jewish people were not chosen ones, people like you mingle everything like a Russian salad but only to pick some data to back up their own pre-established ideas. Yet, you're choosing the Bible as better than other scrolls and henceforth focus on a Jesus that was never Jesus no matter how many times you write Jesus with a non-existing letter "J" at his time. You prefer to IGNORE what doesn't fit into your church or faith. Very comfortable indeed. You quote the words of the Bible and yet you still don't understand the meaning of the son and father. I guess if I quote John 14:13 and take it literally, we'll have to believe both Father and Son will live as independent creatures in each one of the millions of people who keep Christ's words. It's a dwelling indeed in inner sense because that's the inner kingdom of God. But unfortunately people have followed the letters of Paul and have put him above Christ's own words. It's better not even discussing about how Paul got his vision of Christ, in Acts 9:7 saying men perfectly HEARD A VOICE BUT SAW NOTHING while 22:9 says they SAW A LIGHT BUTR HEARD NO VOICE.

When Christ said he was before Abraham, jewish people misinterpreted him. When he talked he and his father were one they wanted to stone him because they thought exactly like you, in terms of deity. Then he quoted Psalms indicating the very word "gods" (elohim) was applied to humans. As a matter of fact Moses is called a 'god' before pharaoh in Exodus 7:1.

Whenever it pleases you, you quote kabbalah but you know perfectly well for the jewish people the Metatron had nothing to do with Christ but someone else quoted in Genesis (Enoch). But you care to use these texts about gods to believe in the superman figure Christians have loved for centuries. Buddists don't need a superman figure for example. The antique books describe these as illustrations in order to teach the inner thing. Unless of course you want to believe gospels are really describing the number of fishes they were counting as leftovers. Fish was the Greek equivalent to Christ name (ichtus) and hence was talking about new disciples and other esoteric meaning.

The living word or logos already existed as a notion when John wrote about it. Apocalypse 3:14 calls AMEN the principle of the creation and yet, how many people would understand that sound or mantra you're applying to a single person you have created in your mind figure?

That Logos is related with a Christ entity in gnosticism and dealing with the same male/female principles you were discussing forever and a day.

The same knowledge is present in other scrolls and ancient books. But everything decays and became corrupted. I quote the Bible but different from others, I have to be careful and take things with a grain of salt. Jeremiah 8:8 admits God's LAW -that is Torah and henceforth the first 5 books of the Bible- WAS TRANSFORMED INTO A LIE BY THE LYING FEATHERS (pens) OF THE SCRIBES. Zephaniah 3:4 says the same. There was a profanation of the holy things and priests violated the LAW, TORAH, that is Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuternomy and probably the Psalms as well.

The leap of faith can't be on the book but in the inspiration beyond and also understanding the same corruption happened in other religions.

You have failed to understand Christ's message was VEDANTA and in India probably he wouldn't be assassinated. It was so in Israel due to the mentality of jewish people.
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It looks as if you were a trinitarian in spite of your 'knowledge'. I know every single verse they use to defend that dogma and I could discuss about them til kingdom comes. Even historically Christ became like God centuries later and then even later they added the Holy Ghost. It's clear in the scriptures he called his father Abba and father which he wouldn't do if he were father himself as you think. The whole dogma is so tight in these fanatics they will ignore just as you do regarding the false name 'Jesus'. You ignore every single evidence against your favorite caressed point of view. In India Christ wouldn't be crucified because someone can be called God with absolutely no problem. How come?

Because the person surrenders the EGO or self. So at the moment of the fusion with the ... (words don't apply) he's not a common Little John no more.
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Christ showed 3 disciples who the 2 witnesses were (ELIJAH AND MOSES)...i guess you are too confused to see and know the truth of the reason Christ took the disciples to this mountain and showed them.
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We need to remember a week earlier Christ PROMISED the disciples they would witness the kingdom of God. Like Moses and Eliyah they climbed up a mountain (which is very common thing for the ones who seek deep meditation). Now, what they were talking about? Luke 9:31 says they were discussing about THE THINGS WHICH WOULD HAPPEN IN JERUSALEM. Verse 33 says Peter was not realizing even what he was talking about (due to hallucinogenic substances up there with the sons of thunder, Zebedeus brothers?). They kept secret what they saw says verse 38. Mathew 17:1-13 we read Christ ORDERED THEM to shut up their mouths. Why? Well, didn't they tell you at the local church that was FORBIDDEN BY THE LAW? To talk about the FUTURE with a couple of dead men?

That's why some people invented Moses never died or Eliyah. Deuteronomy 34: says God (angel? the Angel with God's name?) buried Moses in the land of Moab though nobody is sure where's the buried place. Jude basing his account upon Enoch appocrypha also mentions the Moses appocrypha in verse 9, when the archangel struggles with the devil regarding Moses' body. Well, well. Obviously something happened with that body......, right? As I said before Eliyah wrote a letter to a king 15 years after he was taken in the chariot of fire, so even if you want to see this like UFO rapture, never we read Moses or him kept on living.
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In other words, my Christian friends (and enemies), Christ ordered themn to keep secret the VISION because by the time he would've explained why or the difference of his deeds he would've been STONED TO DEATH and legally.

You couldn't discuss about the future with a couple of dead people!!!!!!!!!!

That was spiritism, something forbidden. Very similar to the situation when a witch from Endor summoned a ghostly figure which looked like prophet Samuel. Now, we don't know why this was forbidden. We can especulate is because DEMONS always lie and disguise themselves as spirit of dead people and create worhipping of themselves. We can say God farbade because INDEED they are dead spirits and by comunicating with them our independence or free will is altered and they can lead us into knowledge they somehow know or purposely alter, altering our future.

Even if that transfiguration was not a spiritism act and that was not an ectoplasmatic sort of 'cloud' showing the images of Moses and Eliyahu faces.... but just a VISION, very powerful but still a vision...., Christ would've had to explain the situation in a trial before time. He would've had to explain that was not a contact with a couple of dead but (living?) entities dwelling in the 3rd heaven (quoted in appocrypha)? Or you may like to think other explanation. You could say it was a TIME/SPACE WARP situation in which the space bends like Moëbius ribbon and Christ got into the same location in 3 different times with Moses and Eliyah like Mr. Data along with Einstein and Newton in Star Trek Next Generation. Until then he would've been dead meat, wouldn't he?
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You guys are overlooking an interesting sidebar in this thread today. Davidjayjordan describes a male witness and a female witness. He says the male is a military leader and the female is a High Priestess. His website describes the male. He is describing himself. Ask him.
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The Word makes a comparison between the two witnesses and Joshua and Zerubbabel . It does not make sense that this could apply to many people and also one or both of the witnesses will be belong to the tribe of Levi and only those can be a part of the priesthood of God and only males belong to the priesthood . For all who want a different view of the witnesses , you are welcome here and will not be banned for offering different opinions .



Revelation 11:4 calls the two witnesses “the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.” This prophecy indicates that the prophecy about the two witnesses is directly linked to (or foreshadowed by) a prophecy in Zechariah 3-4 about two individuals called the “two olive trees.” Since Revelation 11 links the two witnesses to information in Zechariah 3-4’s prophecy, a digression into Zechariah’s prophecy is necessary to understand more about the two witnesses.
The prophecy in Zechariah 3-4 gives the names “Joshua” and “Zerubbabel” to the two men called the “two olive trees” in Zechariah 4:11, and it reveals that they are alive at a time “the foundation of this house” (verse 9) has been laid down. Zechariah and Haggai were two prophets who lived at the time of Ezra and Nehemiah (Ezra 5:1, 6:14), and Zechariah’s prophecy about the “two olive trees” likens them to two of their actual contemporaries who were named Joshua and Zerubbabel. Zerubbabel was a political officer and Joshua was a High Priest at that time (Haggai 1:1, 12). Since the two historic figures called the “two olive trees” are referenced in Revelation 11 as types of the two witnesses, it could indicate that one of the two witnesses will have a political background while the other “witness” will have a priestly/ministerial background.
Zechariah 4:6 states that Zerubbabel’s power will flow from God’s Holy Spirit. This is consistent with Revelation 11:3 that God’s power will energize the two witnesses at the time of their calling. Verse 7 prophesies that a “great mountain” will become “a plain” before Zerubbabel. Mountains are used in prophecies as types of human nations (Isaiah 1:1-4 is one such example). Zerubbabel will be able to turn “a great mountain” (a very powerful nation or alliance of nations) into “a plain.” In other words, God’s power will be so strong in Zerubbabel that the military power of mighty nations (or the “beast” power” of Revelation) will be “leveled” before Zerubbabel. No human military power will be able to stand before the Divine power that will flow through the Two Witnesses. Zerubbabel had been involved in “laying the foundation of the house” (i.e. an earlier Temple) in Zechariah 4:9, which may indicate that one of the two witnesses will be involved with the effort to build a temple of God in Jerusalem in the latter days, and that these efforts will proceed from a time of very humble beginnings (“the day of small things” in Zechariah 4:10). Zerubbabel uses a “plummet,” a tool used in construction measurements. This parallels the fact that the two witnesses will emerge at a time the latter-day temple is being “measured” (Revelation 11:1-2).
Zechariah 3 is a prophecy about “Joshua,” the other “olive tree” of this prophecy and a type of the other “witness” of Revelation 11. Zechariah 3:1 mentions that Joshua was serving as the high priest in Ezra’s time, and Joshua is personified as being between an “the angel of the Lord” and Satan (who is resisting or opposing him). This “Joshua” is at a nexus of a battle being waged between good and bad angels, but the Lord decides the contest in favor of a good outcome. The Lord rebukes Satan from opposing Joshua any further and then likens Joshua to a “brand plucked from the fire.” Joshua is further depicted as being clothed in “filthy garments” as he “stood before an angel.” A “brand plucked from the fire” pictures a stick or branch that is in the process of being ignited or burned in a fire, but which is “plucked” or rescued from the fire so it is not consumed.
This “Joshua” does not emerge unscathed from the spiritual contest between good and evil angels which has raged around him. His “filthy garments” indicate he is in a sinful or personally damaged state when he is “plucked from the fire” and rescued by God. In verses 4-5, God removes Joshua’s “iniquity” and he is figuratively given new, clean garments and a fair miter (the clothing of a priest). In other words, this individual is “cleaned up” or “restored” so he can perform the duties assigned to him by God. In verses 6-8, an angel gives Joshua a charge to walk in God’s ways in order to perform the priestly duties assigned to him. This is not the first time that God has chosen a spiritually-damaged or “unfit” individual to serve him in a prophetic capacity. When Isaiah was called to be a prophet, he protested that he was unworthy because he had “unclean lips” (Isaiah 6:5), and the Apostle Paul had previously been an enemy of God when known by his earlier surname of “Saul” (Acts 8-9).
Zechariah 4:11-14 describe Joshua and Zerubbabel not only as the “two olive trees,” but also as “the two anointed ones that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.” [Emphasis added.] This strongly parallels the role of the two witnesses of Revelation 11 who will serve as two “anointed ones” who will wield Divine power in a global ministry in the latter days. The separate descriptions of “Joshua” and “Zerubbabel” apparently give us clues about some aspects of the lives of the two people who will be called by God to be the two witnesses in the latter days. If not, why would God tell us in Revelation 11 that the two witnesses are the “two olive trees” and then give us specific information in Zechariah 3-4 about the two individuals personified in these roles?
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Luke 17:1-5

Christ showed 3 disciples who the 2 witnesses were (ELIJAH AND MOSES)...i guess you are too confused to see and know the truth of the reason Christ took the disciples to this mountain and showed them.Luke 17:1-5

i remembered it wrong....It's Matthew 17:1-9

Christ shows the 2 witnessess as he meets them on the mount of transfiguration........

this is unmistakeable OP....don't know what you are trying to prove in this thread....but simply put Matthew 17:1-9
is all you need to know and understand who the two witnesses are.
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You guys are overlooking an interesting sidebar in this thread today. Davidjayjordan describes a male witness and a female witness. He says the male is a military leader and the female is a High Priestess. His website describes the male. He is describing himself. Ask him.
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do not listen to any man.....read Matthew 17:1-9...God has foretold us all things...the two witnesses are Elijah and Moses....end of story...

and for those of you who refuse to read the bible for yourself and listen to a man's interpretation....you ARE CURSED!

Jeremiah 17:5

"THUS SAITH the LORD, Cursed is the man that trusted in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD."
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Luke 17:1-5

Christ showed 3 disciples who the 2 witnesses were (ELIJAH AND MOSES)...i guess you are too confused to see and know the truth of the reason Christ took the disciples to this mountain and showed them.


Sorry mo reincarnation of past prophets or anyone else.

Semantics is not the answer, nor looking for past men of FAITH but a man and woman of FAITH in the HERE and NOW.

Look for these qualities

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But Google 'Characteristics of two Witnesses' .. Viola... there are about ten of them, to better discern who they are.
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Allow me to do it for you..

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Characteristics of our Two Witnesses

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. ( Revelation 11:1-3 )


Our TWO WITNESSES in the upcoming Tribulation Period of 42 months shall be Christian prophets and not Jewish, as they have to have faith in the Messiah who has already come (JESUS) rather than the false Messiah who will unite all people under His one man ANTI-CHRIST rule. And seeing we, Christians will be here, unless we die previous to this greatest time ever, we should know some of the characteristics to look for, in our upcoming leaders, so we know who to follow.

So let me summarize some of their qualities and characteristics.of our Two End Time Prophets. For one shall be Our End Time King, and One shall be our High Priestess. The characteristics of our High Priestess of the Tribe of Ephraim, I have put HERE.. LINEAGE OF OUR HIGH PRIESTESS

Whereas, the characteristics of our King in the End Time, are below

Name ( Biblical Given Names - one called David, other related to Priesthood, and Biblical in origin )

Number of their Name ( Gematria --- 46 King David – 52 High Priest/Priestess Consider Numbers of 2 Prophets )

Must be Ruddy, 'Manly' ( Contained in His Name and in Body Type ... Ruddy and Manly )

Birthplace ( Must be according to Sacred Geometry and Sacred Geography measure. )

Birth Date ( Number and Lion of the Tribe of Judah - Leo, born of Virgo mother )

Birth Year ( 1947 - start of Lord's Spiritual Israel SEE Timeline of End )

Tribe of Judah Heritage ( British Parentage from the Tribe of Judah Jewish Lineage )

Forsaken – Outcast as stated in Isaiah 60:15, 62; 4 SEE Outcast Prophecy )

Warrior s - ( Must be fighters with a life histories of courage in 'Fighting'
Archetype ... Warrior - Kings )

Fool - ( Loners - as with the Tarot card, must be simple enough to believe
and go it alone. Archetype - Individuals )

Height - Tall - Matching the sacred measure - rod
SEE Vitrium Man in Holy of Holies )

Bruised Damaged Heel ( Astronomy and Genesis 3:15 Co-relation )

Poor Speaker Archetype Moses Exodus 4: 10
Consider Who will you follow? )
( High Priestess shall be our spokesperson )

Rod ( Has Literal Rod Parallel Exodus 4: 2 SEE Rod of David)

Married ( Co-relate to Tree of Life - Boaz and Jachin )
( Married to High Priestess )

Prophetic – Dreams ( Must have fulfilled prophecies and/or dreams - Deuteronomy 18
Consider Dreams and Visions )

Must find and have Grail and later Ark and Tabernacle

Must Prophesy bravely against Eagle, ( Whore ) and then A.C. (Read 2 Esdras 11-13 Revelation 11 )



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But one of the key and irrefutable and exact ones, is the timing of his born...... the male Witness must finnish His testimony on his seventh birthday to fulfill the seventy years of Moses and David.

Therefore the male WITNESS must have been born exactly on a date that can be traced backwards to his start, after an exact time frame is absolutely established...

Like date of sacrificing
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Like many of the other characteristics.... they are not man made but heaven sent.... and definitive.
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Must find and have Grail and later Ark and Tabernacle
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Like many of the other characteristics.... they are not man made but heaven sent.... and definitive.
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Like many of the other characteristics.... they are not man made but heaven sent.... and definitive.
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Gee, just like Ron Weinland and his wife who are also the Two Witnesses. There's bound to be a mighty rumble on the corner when all of you Witness wannabes finally collide.

Don't you ever get tired of playing makebeleive?

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