The Two Witnesses .

Lemme ask you something, honestly. Have you seen a calf like these with 2 faces in a single head?
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This is real GIANT COW
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This kitty does have 2 faces in a single head and is not photoshop:
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This is a preserved red leopard (like the beast of Apocalypse) with eritrism disease in which the pigment turns red rather than the other 13 variations:
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The leopon is a lion/leopard hybrid:
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Maltese blue tigers have been seen in China (these next photos are photoshop):
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Were you aware the hybrid ligers are twice the size of tigers?
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Eventually with lion’s mane, tiger’s strips and leopard’s spots on the forehead:
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White lions and tigers or albino are more common…
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It’s possible the existence of black lions with melanism:
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Black tigers would look like this one with dyed fur for the film Beastmaster (died because of this later on):
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This is a real skin of a black tiger shot dead:
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When chimps, rabbits, cats, fishes, pigs are mixed with jellyfish green protein and lit with ultraviolet light, they glow green fluorescence like this:
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Our personal window on the Universe is terribly small within a stunning range of wavelengths. With our eyes we see wavelengths between 0.00004 and 0.00008 of a centimeter (where, not so oddly, the Sun and stars emit most of their energy). The human visual spectrum from violet to red is but one octave on an imaginary electromagnetic piano with a keyboard hundreds of kilometers long."

Much of what you see is outside our human visual band, our eyes cannot register wave photons no matter how powerful they may be. Longer that the visual wavelength limit -up to about a millimeter- lies the infrared. At the short end is violet, with orange, yellow, green, blue and hundreds of overlapping shades. Longer waves, into kilometer-wavelengths toward the unknown end are what we call "radio."

Shorter than the visual limit are the ultraviolet -all running in the vacuum at the speed of light. At less than a percent of the wavelength of visual light are X rays, and at a factor of 100 smaller are the deadly gamma rays.

What would be your reaction if you see cherubim like these (and people in our days have seen them in specific places or under special circumstances)?
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Beings in Apocalypse are different. They don’t have the 4 wings of cherubim but the 6 wings of snake-seraphim dragon like creatures and yet they lack 3 faces of the cherubim having just one of them:
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Human eyes can’t see Birkelan plasma like twin snakes:
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Even the depictions of the ark of the covenant are wrong. jewish historian Flavius Josefus said no one in his time (2000 years ago, the time of Christ) had real knowledge about the shape of the cherubim on the ark. Yet we always see depictions of them as if they were humanoids or “angels”. Probably they were exactly like Ezekiel described them a bit like sphinxes:
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Seraphim were closer to the throne in the visions and cherubim were below. It’s the reason why the Shekinah cloud was ABOVE the ark with the cherubim.
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Hey OP I was reading your thread and thought it was original but I see you copied and pasted this from steve collins.

Word of caution do your own research!Reading the paragraghs you left out this is something to be careful with. Peace

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The Two Witnesses will of course be male and from the Tribe of Levi. The foundation for the said brotherhood was laid during the times of the New Testament which would put the date of these souls being alive around the late 7th and 8th centuries and most likely at the time of Charles the Hammer. Hence, the two witnesses would have "witnessed" these events by being alive at these times who are then reincarnated souls who have the signs, DNA and claims to make them The Two Witnesses of prophecy.

They will NOT be current Kings or royalty but will be ordinary citizens and plebs who come from the Abyss (common people and man)to reunite their Tribe for one last battle to end the 6th age.

In the realms of the universe there's microcosmos and macrocosmos. Planck hypothetical dimension is said to be trillion times smaller than a proton. Visions are inside or outside considering Christ talked about the kingdom within us? I put these images because people dare to write about metaphysical world when they are completely ignorant about the physical world.
Scientists bombed vinager flies with gamma rays and eventually they had horrible mutations like added number of wings and eyes, EYES ON THE FEET, change of colors in the eyes, mishaped bodies and so on. After a while the generations came back to normal when the rays stopped. Far from proving evolution it proved they didn't turn into spiders or scorpions. Yet dealing with at least some of the creatures of Apocalypse and Isaiah, etc, in some cases we deal with symbols but in others real thing. The matrix is not flesh and bone and because they are usually invisible, people think thet are mere archetypes or symbols.

When you dream of a monster , it's real in the realm of dreams within you and you wouldn't know unless you wake up. Perhaps someone dreaming months while he/she's under coma, wouldn't ever suspect the daily life of others who are not dreaming. The energy within us is very real and there are good reasons for the prohibition of Levites with damaged testicles. This was part of a law but you never hear explanations about WHY in Protestant or Catholic churches. For them all 613 laws were merely "symbolic". This is just purely IGNORANCE from their part. The jewish people required specific rites, specific materials, priests couldn't sweat wearing other non-specific clothing. There were many things considered unclean. Curtains had to use special weaving and colors were used, specific jewels, wood, gold, sizes. Above is below in many levels and you won't find many people knowing these in Christian churches.

Colors is a frequence of light, odors of incense is another wave crossing paths with light but not interfering but combining. jewish people wore little rings doing a frequence of SOUND altogether. Peruvian Lord of Sipan wore similar clothing and looked like a pharaoh with semitic turbant. Olmeas in Mexico with the head piece a la Egyptian, rays coming from the head of illumination.

If you do your own research, then people claim you can not refer to your own research, and then censor your own research as with GLP.

I think I am the only person who can not refer to their own detailed informative exact web site as it is deemed spam.



Notice how they change my website into a turkey sandwich out of spite...

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Yet I have three whole subboards on the TWO WITNESSES and about fifty articles as well as the exact design details... back to Creation

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The Lord specificalically demands the frequnecy of love within a heart before they can become part of His Encampment.

The TWO WITNESSES are the ones quard the shepherds doorway into the sheepfold. It is called Passing under the shepherds rod.



The TWO WITNESSES are at the gate, and if an entrant wants through they must be sealed by the Lord, otherwise no entry.

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Shepherd's Rod and Entrance Test

Shepherd's use to stand at the entrance of their sheep fold and have the sheep pass by them and into their encampment by passing under their shepherd's staffs or rods. Care had to be taken that no predators or wolves in sheep clothing entered, so as to attack the sheep from within. Similarly, the Lord of our End-Time Encampment has to have His 2 Shepherds or Witnesses (Rev 11) make sure, only the Lord's sheep enter into the One sheepfold (John 10) and no 'mixed multitude' of 'half hearts' (Revelations 3: 15-16) dilutes the purity of His Bride. So as with the physical sheep, the Lord's spiritual sheep will have to literally pass under the Shepherd's ROD. (Ezekiel 20: 37)

The Lord will have entrance tests to prove the heart and soul of those trying to enter his sheepfold. For just as with Communion, that can be a curse to those that drink it unworthily, even those passing unworthily under the shepherd's rod, can suffer similar fates. For as the Lord said to Ezekiel concerning NOT Ezekiel's Time but our EndTime…........ ( starting at Ezekiel 20: 33).......

33 - As I live saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand and with a stretched out arm and with fury poured out, will I rule over you. (In other words, it won't be a day for the weak and fearful, and the Lord will be by force gathering us and defending us).

34 - And I will gather you out from the people and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered with a mighty hand and with a stretched out arm and with fury poured out. (The Lord will gather us from all over the world, from all sorts of groups and nationalities and bring us together and Not leave us separated and at the mercy of the Anti-Christ and his ilk)

35 - And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people (And the woman fled into the wilderness where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand and two hundred and sixty days. - Rev 12: 6)…. and there will I plead with you face to face (exactly what happened in the 1st Exodus, but this will be the 2nd Exodus, as the Lord will speak face to face in His original tabernacle over his original Ark to His Two EndTime Prophets)

36 - Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you saith the Lord (The exact same Exodus out of Egypt will happen again … for the 2 Shepherds are again told to …'FEED thy People with thy ROD, the flock of thine inheritance which dwell solitarily in the wood…as in the days of old. According to the days of thy coming out of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things….Micah 7: 14-15)

37 - And I will cause you to PASS under the ROD, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant. (We will have to again PASS UNDER THE ROD)

38- And I (the Lord) will PURGE out from among you the rebels and them that transgress against me; I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord . (For the Lord will make sure that we all have a FEAR of HIM especially after seeing the judgments on the rebels that will have attempted to enter his sheepfold other than through the door.

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John 10…7 - Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 - All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 - I am the door by me, if any man enter in, he shall be saved and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

For as David said in Psalm's ..the Lord's rod and staff will comfort us in the wilderness and will supply our needs and our protection in Jesus Name.


In His Service

Jay

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and Pillars of Boaz and Jachin

This is the kind of comment you could expect in someone who dedicated his life to stories about knighthood and swords and oaths in very superficial level and local history he prefers to focus on, bloodlines and things like that. Yet, he admits the two witnesses are MALE (like 2 testicles). If rather than merely watching the obvious characters he could see deeper levels about what was the temple/body, the characters wouldn't longer be just people, families, tribes but a whole colective EXPERIENCE like the body which is made with many organs.

Not so, the king, or military leader is from the tribe of Judah. He is male and he is representative of the Lion of the Tribe of Judah...JESUS


The Levite is the female High Priestess... these are the two branches that fit together perfectly. Each with a mnistry and purpose.

Two tribes not one.


North AND South kingdoms just as with north and south Boaz ad Joachin

Forget testicles, males and females are equal and both have balls or courage, whether testicles or ovaries.

You must know equality and biology to know the design of the TWO WITNESSES


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The Lord's Gathering in the End Time totally revolves around and through His two leaders for us, Jachin and Boaz, or as most of us understand.. . the TWO WITNESSES of Revelation 11. For these are the two pillars before the tabernacle, and later the temple. these are the two candlesticks, that call down plaques and the seven trumpets of Revelation. These are the two olive trees from which the golden oil is coming forth. (Zechariah 2,3) One was called Jachin and one Boaz

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Solomon even gave his two pillars personal names, Jachin and Boaz, and obviously they depict the proportions of a man, which one may figure as 35 divided by 5 = 7 heads, or 40 divided 5= 8 heads. Either computation is no problem."
For notice that their ratios matched the human form....

Jachin representing the Priest/Priestess, while Boaz represents our King, the End Time King promised to King David of Old. Jachin means establish, while Boaz means strength and striking.As out King is a warrior and the leader of our army of defenders of the Encampment while Jachin ministers to the tabernacle in the wilderness. Jachin, means establish, whereas Boaz means the strength and the striker.

In the TREE of Life, Kabballah, the left pillar is Boaz (Severity) while the right pillar is Jachin (Mercy). One male, and one female.. Jachin being female, our Priestess, while Boaz is our King and male.

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In the mysterious Sephirothic Tree of the jewish people, these two pillars symbolize Mercy (Jachin) and Serverity (Boaz). Standing before the gate of King Solomon's Temple, these columns had the same symbolic import as the obelisks before the sanctuaries of Egypt. When interpreted Qabbalistically, the names of the two pillars mean 'In strength shall My House be established. '"

This is the House of the Lord in the End Time, the sexual parallels being obvious as the strength is male which strikes and enters In and establishs, into the female.((This paralleling the North/South Polarization of the earth itself in magnetism, the spirals of different rotations that produce leviatation in the middle zone. SEE Levitation, and the geographic grid [link to www.] bibliotecapleyad es.net/ciencia/ antigravityworld grid/cie ncia_antigravitywor ldgrid03. htm )) For these two pillars are sexual in nature just as the temple itself is sexual in nature as the house of the Bride and Bridegroom.

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The Sexual Symbolism of Jachin and Boaz

While the twin bronze pillars named Jachin and Boaz are not phallic symbols as some Bible scholars have claimed for decades, (who says, only the antisexual church system) they do play a sexual role according to the symbolism of the Temple. Also, according to their description in I Kgs. 7:15-22 they were not "fire altars," as claimed in some Christian sources. (Who says as they were guardians of the Altar of sacrifice, and if any try to enter or hurt them, fire comes from their mouths) Therefore, we may put aside this age-old notion made popular by Robert Smith and W.F. Albright. Maybe the pillars' glossy capitals did catch the "first glint of the Jerusalem sunrise" but they still were not cressets, fire altars, or giant torches lighting up the night, nor were their bowl shaped capitals ever filled with burning oil. The pillars, rather, portrayed two trees or plants. (Two olive trees , giving forth the golden oil for burning and illumination, the two candlesticks, that were fire altars)

The drawing at left: Jachin and Boaz depicted two identical large plants. The plant was a hybrid creation whose capital symbolized a giant water lily and its shaft or stem, the trunk of a palm tree. The lily had a metallic netting or network upon which were suspended decorative pomegranates (7:20, 42). Some sources say that the Hebrew wording implies two bowls for each pillar (Tanach, Stone Edition, p.818). If so, the lower bowl was inverted, representing the drooping leaves of a palm tree, but the top bowl which is a lily cup was upright, as shown at left. The lily was the love flower of the Ancient Near East and in this instance symbolizes God's love for David and Solomon, the two kings who had the most to do with founding and establishing Israel as a kingdom and planning for and constructing the Temple. David means "beloved" and Solomon's second name Jedidiah (II Sam. 12:24, 25) "beloved of God." Palm trees depict peace and prosperity, the mark of King Solomon's reign. (Lily for female, the pomengranites meaning the seeds and semen of the male)

But if the lily cup symbolizes love, exactly how does this make Jachin and Boaz sex symbols? Observe above -Temple Man lying down - that the Porch is the male organ and that the capitals seem attached to it. Furthermore, they are high up on his legs. What else can the capitals be except his gonads or testes! This why they had a netting or network (I kgs 7:41) and pomegranates wrapped around them. The netting is the rough, textured skin of the scrotum, while the pomegranates copious seeds depict male sperm. Surely this signifies national Israel enlarged, something yet to transpire in the Messianic Age ahead of us when she becomes exceedingly fertile `like the Garden of Eden,' Ezekiel 36:35 (Exactly, male and female created they them and they shall be our Two Witnesses)

So all in all, we should NOW realise that the Lord will be fair and equal and give us not just a male leader, but also a female leader. These two shall be our TWO PILLARS of strength in the End Time. And these two shall hold up the Temple of the Lord in the End Time... Between these two pillars, is the only way into the 'Entrance' to the Encampment of the Lord.


Boaz and Jachin are male and female !!!!


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Petra Clef

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Rods, staffs, pillars... spine, testicles, legs in antrophomorfic temple. Have these people ever read the laws Levites had to obbey regarding sexuality, sperm, cleanness, against damaged testicles or cut phallus?

I'm not forgetting the importance of female. I just mentioned the testicles are related to testimony in the context of what I posted about a page ago. As a matter of fact I was the one who put the images of the temple and mentioned the porch area related to genitalia. It's true Shekinah and many things related to Hebrew God is femenin as well and not just masculine. And somewhere I posted many people ignore Judaism concept about Adam was androgynous male/female and not physical flesh and bone in the beginning. That's why I believe tantrism is important because the rising of the inner kingdom requires the union of male and female and is not a solitary path. The virgins of Apocalypse means something else...

The physical laws mean nothing as the Lord looks at the heart. Scribes and Pharisees look at the otuward appearance and an outward obediance to an outward show.

Jesus rebubed them and choose the prostitutes, tax men and simple fisherman for his disciples.

Same as the End Time.

Only those with a good heart of love can enter into the encampment and get by the TWO PILLARS of Jachin and Boaz and into the TEMPLE.

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Organization of Temple
I was in this beautiful and clean Temple like building with a straight long hallway down the middle, to each side were rooms.. The doors to these rooms were open and so as I walked I looked in.. The ones on the right side were mainly empty, but the rooms on the left, had all these people standing in them. They were wearing white gowns (SEE Transparent Linen of Saints), with their hands raised to the Lord. But it was all so orderly, with them in lines and without any confusion at all. Everyone had a place and all were facing towards the East.

I proceeded towards the doorway of the Temple, walking down the hallway towards the West, and came to these two huge hinged doors. The one on the right being closed but the one on the left, was opened. On each side of the doors outside was these two big Pillars.. (Zechariah 4). There was a porch before the Temple doors and then there was three steps onto a small courtyard.

I looked out and saw all these people on the left side of the Temple inside the Temple walls.. They had come through this small gate entranceway, as it was the only way to eneter the temple enclosure. The walls were only waist high, but no one would climb over them. Beyond in the distance, I could see so many coming, not from the West but it seemed the NorthWEST,heading single-file towards the small gate. There were so many, thousands in my opinion. And yet there was such calm, no rush and no panic, as they all kept their order. They all seemed to know and sense there would be room for them. There was some people on the right side of the Temple in the enclosure, but not as many as there were on the left. And yet all, and both sides were facing EASTward, just as the people inside the temple were facing eastward in these nice organized rows.. (SEE Lord's Temple Architecture)

There was no confusion, everyone outside seemed to know they had a spot reserved for them and they were just thankful to be there. They didn’t have gowns as yet, but were just there with raised hands to the Lord. I had the feeling that they didn’t know each other, and had just come together from all over the world. (SEE Last Gathering) No one was turned away at the gate, but at the gate, I could see two men. The one was dressed normally without any robe and yet the other was dressed in priestly robes, and carrying a Big Bible and came riding a bicycle of all things..

The priestly one obviously hated the other man, even though the normal looking one was just telling people about Jesus as they entered the Temple grounds. Yet the priestly one, seemed to despise the normally clad Christian, because he wasn’t wearing the proper attire and I could hear that he was challenging his authority to teach and instruct these new people in the Temple. I had the distinct feeling that this antagonistic accusing one was the ‘DEVIL’ (SEE End-Time King David)

And yet neither of them had the power to turn away anyone at the gate. All that came were going to get IN. It was if they were called and chosen. And all were going to get in no matter what, even if the devil was trying to discourage them at the entranceway. They were all going to enter and somehow fill up the whole enclosure. (SEE 144,000) They weren't allowed to come in two by two or in groups, only individually. (SEE Shepherds Rod Entrance) I saw men and women both, young, or in their prime, but none that I would say were old.

No one had to tell them where to go, as they all seemed to know where in the courtyard and in the Temple they belonged. (SEE Harmonic Circle of the Tribes) They knew where they belonged and just so orderly went there and took their position. It was so peaceful and organized, and no one seemed worried at all. They were carrying nothing on their backs, no possessions at all, just the clothes they were wearing.

And strangely on both sides of the Temple or Tabernacle inside the walls of the enclosure, there were two huge PALM TREES standing with a pool of water to their side. The roots of the palms reaching into the water. They were so healthy and fruitful. I was sure this was symbolic of how all these people would be fed and cared for. (SEE Lord shall feed us)

For although I could see the absolute desolation beyond in the countryside beyond, within the enclosure, all was vibrant, green and growing. (Joel 2). It was a time of chaos, but within all was so nicely organized with no fear, only FAITH.

This is what I saw ... and surely it will happen

Love in Jesus

Trixie


Back to Trixie's Forest

Oh, stop being coy. Go ahead and fess up.

You are one of the 2 Witnesses. That's what you want to say.

Found this , very interesting !

So he said, "These are the two who are anointed to serve the Lord of all the earth." Zachariah 4:14

The Hebrew for "the two anointed ones" translates to 'the two sons of the oil' !

Whatever the bottom line truth is about these people, the witnesses, I know we don't have long to wait to find out how it is!

Wrong, It's written in parable so only God's chosen (House of Israel) will understand it. And I'm not refering to Israel proper as a state today, They are the house of Judha.

That was my post. Now, the gonads create the Kundalini energy and there must be a union of male and female to create the mixed energy rising up.

Fully agree !

Differ again, females are not an aside... they are EQUAL.

Women are not inferior and disposed to be on the proch and restricted to enter into the Holy of Holies, or WOMB of CREATION.

For it is the female High Priestess that sha;ll be entering INto the womb.

There is no male and female with Jesus. Jesus liberated women from churchy inferiority and their ungodly submission by the churchies. They are liberated to serve HIM and be equal with males. They can lead and teach and ALL.

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Equality not Patriarchy

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PATRIARCHY - Is it God's Order?
By Pat Joyce

When I became a Christian, I had no idea what constituted a Biblical lifestyle, so I looked to the “experts.” They said that God’s way was a chain-of-command structure with the husband as the authority in the home and the pastor and elders as authorities in the church. At first, I did not question but attempted to conform while I agonized with the Lord over my rebellious nature. Over time, I noted that all those in authority were male and wondered why the God, who I knew loved me, appeared to favor men? Didn’t He create me? Was I of less value because of my gender? Why was it that deep down, even after years asking God to change me, I still could not accept the second-class status assigned to women? Is patriarchy God’s design, God’s order? This question is so fundamental.

We know that God does not approve of discrimination. Yet discrimination against women is inherent in patriarchy. The system that I encountered was patriarchal to the core. “Any espousal of patriarchy is an espousal of male domination. The very definition of patriarchy presents a male-dominated and male-controlled society and therefore means a philosophy of male supremacy.” (1)

With these thoughts in mind, let’s look at the Biblical record. To start with, we need to remember that the Bible is full of violence, betrayal, selfishness, immorality, idolatry, and unbelief--a seemingly endless list of sinful acts It also presents the thoughts and philosophies of our fallen nature along with His truth. We must learn to discern the difference. We need to realize that scripture includes true records of false ideas. Just because it is in the Bible does not mean that God approves.

A limited look at the Old Testament record shows that, in general, women were under the control of their father or husband who considered them as their possessions. They were denied education, and they could not inherit. Women's lives were expendable in order to protect men, and polygamy was acceptable. Only men had the right to divorce, and women were mainly valued for producing male heirs.

In contrast, when the Holy Spirit came to Mary, there is no record that He asked her father or Joseph first. The mere fact that Jesus spoke to women broke with the tradition of His day. Jesus taught the Samaritan woman and commended Mary for ‘sitting at His feet’ to learn, an expression that indicates that she was a disciple! In Luke 11:27-8, He rejected the idea that women were baby machines. In Mathew 19, Jesus opposed the double standard for divorce. He pointed out from Genesis 2 that divorce was not God’s plan but a concession that He had allowed Moses to make because of their sin. Then, Mark 10:12 adds, “and if she herself divorces her husband…” which overrode the Jewish tradition that a woman couldn’t institute a divorce since she was the man’s possession along with the concept that women were property and that polygamy was acceptable. (2)

After His resurrection, He could have appeared to one of His male disciples at the tomb. However, He chose to appear first to a woman, Mary Magdalene, instructing her specifically to go and tell “my brothers.” His actions forever proclaim to her and to Christian women after her that their commission is not limited to a women’s ministry.

The early church did not embrace patriarchy, teaching that both male and female are created in the image of God. The scripture shows men and women moving together to spread the gospel. The few scriptures that seem to limit the ministry of women stand in stark contrast to the whole of the record. In the last few years, traditional understanding of a woman’s “place” has become even more suspect as scholarship has provided accurate translation and interpretation of these passages. (3).

So what went wrong? As Christianity spread through the Gentile world and a second generation of Christians emerged, equality and freedom slowly faded. Replaced by the traditional male domination that filled secular society, Greek philosophy and pagan customs made their way into Christianity. The church adopted the secular governmental structure of the Roman Empire. Clergy separated from laity, and women were barred from this new ministerial class. (4) The supernatural gifts of the Spirit, so present in the early church, were stifled; and the Dark Ages fell on the church.

The attitudes of the early church fathers were molded by pagan ideas that women are evil, inferior, unequal and unclean. (5) These concepts along with Platonic and Aristotelian philosophy influenced how they interpreted Scriptures as they applied to women and male/female relationships. Their writings birthed traditional theology, which generally displaced Jesus' teaching about women. (6)

While the reformation began the return to Christ’s doctrine, it remained patriarchal. Biblical interpretation “continued to be skewed by misogyny, hierarchical worldview and the perennial influence of Greek philosophy.”(7) It is interesting to note that in revivals sprinkled through the last two thousand years, the status of women is consistently elevated. (8) Could this be the leading of God’s Holy Spirit? Cultural norms around the world today are definitely patriarchal, particularly in developing nations. Even in developed countries, male primacy, while not as blatant as it was even twenty-five years ago, is still clearly present in society and in the home. The results are devastating.

As for the church, “the traditional theology of womanhood is unequivocally patriarchal, ascribing to women an inferior condition, a secondary importance, and a subordinate status. Consequently, under authoritative male headship, ‘covering’ and control, women have at the best of times been "honored’ as second-class citizens. They have been dominated, marginalized and occasionally patronized while men have been elevated.”(9)

There is no place for patriarchy in the kingdom of God. It is a human institution based on a fallen sin nature. Patriarchy's fruit is deplorable and can never be part of the kingdom. It’s time to acknowledge it as sin and throw it out. Christ has restored access to God for all who will come to God through Him. We know we "all are sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither jewish nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise,”(10) and the promise does not discriminate. (END OF ARTICLE by Pat)

So having read this and having read your Bible and experienced life, I hope you believe and act as if both genders are equal, ‘for there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus’.

In His Equal Service
Jay (Jordan)”
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Last Edited by Davidjayjordan on 04/01/2012 10:57 AM

Hey OP, I am an Irish descendant, from Galway area.

Oh cool !

life was so much better before the infidels learned to read....

Yes, there has to be male and female pillars and a male and female WITNESS. They are NOT both males.

One is our king and military leader
One is our Queen or High Priestess of the Tabernacle....

And YES it is sexual, as that is the DESIGN from the Beginning.

Open up your gates and the King of Glory can come IN.

It is the basis of temple design facing East, towards the rising SON/SUN


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The Lord's Temple, Architecture, and Sacred Sex




Sacred Architecture was always meant to be more than just a building or a temple but spiritual principles illustrated in a physical structure. Thus an ARCHway or entranceway into a holy temple was and still is considered sacred, in stepping from the mundane physical world into the 'divine spiritual' world. This is why many temples, churches, or mosques used a half 'vesica pisces' as their arch's in their architecture. The shape of two intersecting circles, which produced all shapes, was not only symbolic of female genitalia but also as the gateway into another dimension of birth. For it is from here that all births come through whether spiritual or physical. And it this entranceway or canal that leads to the sacred interior and the womb of creation.

This is exactly the same principle as illustrated in the Template of all templates, the Holy Tabernacle as designed by the Lord himself. He gave exact measurements and patterns to Moses, to be followed exactly according to His exact blueprints for his moveable Temple in the wilderness. And this pattern was followed precisely in the 1st and 2nd static Temples built on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, so as to retain the exact same proportions and power as the originalTabernacle.

Matter of fact, the Lord even had the Temple aligned facing eastward so that the Son's rising in the East could penetrate the opened doors of the Holy Place and shine towards the Veil and symbolically into the darkened Holy of Holies in the West. This sexual truth where light (masculine) penetrates the darkness (feminine) and gives birth to life could hardly be better illustrated physically which is why true Christian churches tend to similarly align themselves with the altar in the West and the main entrance in the East, if possible. This is also why Jesus came into the Temple grounds from the eastern Gate and will do this once again, (even though it has been sealed) in his true Millennial Re-Entry into His temple Mount, to reclaim His Bride, His Temple.

Yet the temple is only a shadow of the true, to remind the Lord's worshippers of His Eternal truths, for the true temple of God is His Body and we are made in His 'Divine Image'. This is why the disciples wrote to the undiscerning 'Know ye Not that ye are the Temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you (if they had received the Holy Spirit of God)'. For as the great prophet Isaiah said….'What house will ye build the Lord, for His hands has made all these things.' (Isaiah 66: 1-2) But we are his Temple made without hands, designed in his holy divine image.

We are the real Temple of God and he dwells in our praises from the heart. We are the stars of Heaven, for literally we are designed exactly after the pentagonal star with ratios exactly matching the 'golden section' (See Golden Section and our Bodies class). And this is not by chance but again by design to conform to his 'Holy Body'. For we didn't shape ourselves, and our mothers only were the vessels from which we came, and we definitely are NOT products of Evolution and chance. For again if you study the beauty of the 'golden section' ratio you discover it stems from reproduction of mature individuals and the raising of offspring to maturity until each new generation expands by 1.618 For again when we are combined together as One, we actually become Pillars in His temple (Rev 3:12) as the angel said to John. In other words, we are the Pillars of Faith, our spiritual faith is our strength.

And it all stems from the Holy of Holies, the magical cube of 10 cubits by 10c. by 10 c. This is the Center of creativity, the womb of the Universe, because it symbolizes God's Spirit over His Law and over His ARK in the darkened and veiled Holy of Holies. Why, because His Spirit, needs not any physical light because His Words (DNA) are all that is needed to bring the Law to life, and the staff of life into budding. (See Shepherd's Rod). His Holy of Holies doubles itself, just as biologically our cells replicate themselves, and becomes the Holy Place exactly twice the size of the inner shrine. And all life proceeds from there, through the portal of his Two pillars, Joachim and Boaz, male and female.

And it's all sexual, because our Creator who is called JESUS, designed His Temple and us, to be NOT stagnant and sterile but reproducing, and NOT dead and dying but alive and living. (SEE Lord's Temple is Human and Sexual) And when He brings down His ultimate Temple, New Jerusalem, from the heavenlies, we will be part of it.

Isn't His Temple amazing ?

In His Service

David Jay Jordan

One path does not deny another. Heart is made of flesh and bone and is part of the physical realm we live in. The feelings and emotions we do have are related with real physical hormones. The gap between physical and spiritual, well, I'm not as wise as you to say I really know for sure. I can't be so cocky to say God doesn't care about physical laws created by Him/Her unless I have some basis to say that instead of writing just because my exercise to move my fingers typing or shooting off my mouth.

Pharisees look the exterior but forgot spirituality, that was their mistake. They didn't see the interior temple which is both physical and spiritual. They just focused on the rituals.

If whomever inspired the construction of the temple didn't care about physical laws, he wouldn't inspire 613 laws and the very building of the physical temple. It's so obvious it seems some people can't see somehow lost in abundant words.

True they were shallow frivilous hypocrites that had no heart and soul for the Lord, and so the Lord blasted them for being such terrible terrible vile examples.

Therefore they got Jesus killed and yet through His death was His greatest victory.

DavidJayJordan: You're too quick in answering looooong posts. I hope you read first rather than post (perhaps pasting from things you have already recorded in files long before an dealing with who-knows-whom). So, if you really pay attention to what I wrote you wouldn't find me saying something that deserves your "correction" saying this

"Differ again, females are not an aside... they are EQUAL.

Women are not inferior and disposed to be on the proch and restricted to enter into the Holy of Holies, or WOMB of CREATION."

I never said they were aside or inferior. This sort of dialogue you have pasting and applying to anyone doesn't suit me well. Bye bye.