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OUTRAGEOUS!!! Military Chaplains reprimanded for using Bible verses and invoking the Name of Jesus!

 
Pollyannuh
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OUTRAGEOUS!!! Military Chaplains reprimanded for using Bible verses and invoking the Name of Jesus!
Where is this bushchit coming from??? Unimaginable that a Chaplain is being forced to new "guidelines" during SERVICES!!!

Grrrrrrrrrrrr!!!

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Christian lawmakers want to protect chaplains´ speech


By Leo Shane III, Stars and Stripes
European edition, Friday, October 21, 2005



Leo Shane III / S&S

WASHINGTON — A group of Christian congressmen want a presidential order protecting military chaplains after receiving anecdotal evidence that the religious personnel have been punished for using overtly Christian language in public settings.

Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C., said he has received letters from chaplains, both stateside and deployed overseas, complaining that superior officers have criticized and even reprimanded them for using Bible verses and invoking the name of Jesus in memorial services, pre-mission remarks and other events outside of their religious services.

“This is a First Amendment right,” Jones said. “Our chaplains should not have any second thoughts about how they should pray. Let their heart speak with what God puts in their mind to pray.”



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Drama Queen Victim.


instead of pointing out your own "persecution", why don´t you point out all those dead
kids in Iraq?
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It really isn´t important, either way.
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What is a man of God doing preaching to killers anyway.............fuck. Don´t you get it????? Those troops in Iraq are murderers fighting for the lies of big business and the elite.
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People are finding out what American government truly is.Satanic.
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Evangelical influence spurs clashes among military chaplains
- Alan Cooperman, Washington Post
Sunday, September 4, 2005


Washington -- The growing influence of evangelical Protestants is roiling the military chaplain corps, where their desire to preach their faith more openly is colliding with long-held military traditions of pluralism and diversity.

After accusations this summer that evangelical chaplains, faculty and coaches were pressuring cadets at the Air Force Academy, the Air Force last week issued new guidelines on respect for religious minorities. In the Navy, evangelical Protestant chaplains are fighting what they say is a legacy of discrimination in hiring and promotions, and they are bridling at suggestions they not pray publicly "in the name of Jesus."

Much of the conflict is in two areas that, until now, have been nearly invisible to civilians: how the military hires its ministers and how they word their public prayers. Evangelical chaplains -- who are rising in numbers and clout amid a decline in Catholic priests and mainline Protestant ministers -- are challenging the status quo on both questions, causing even some evangelical commanders to worry about the impact on morale.

"There is a polarization that is beginning to set up that I don´t think is helpful. Us versus them," said Air Force Col. Richard Hum, an Evangelical Free Church minister who is the executive director of the Armed Forces Chaplains Board. "I don´t know whether it´s an overflow of what´s happening in society. But this sort of thing is so detrimental to what we are trying to do in the chaplaincy."

The Rev. MeLinda Morton, a Lutheran minister who resigned in June as an Air Force chaplain after criticizing the religious atmosphere at the Air Force Academy, said there has been a palpable rise in evangelical fervor, not just among chaplains but also among the officer corps in general, since she joined the military in 1982, originally as a launch officer in a nuclear missile silo.

"When we were cone-heads -- missile officers -- I would never, ever have engaged in conversations with subordinates aligning my power and position as an officer with my views on faith matters," she said. Today, "I´ve heard of people being made incredibly uncomfortable by certain wing commanders who engage in sectarian devotions at staff meetings."

The tradition of chaplains in the U.S. military goes back to George Washington, who first sought a minister for his Virginia regiment in 1756. In the early days of the republic, commanders simply chose a chaplain who shared their beliefs. But with the expansion of the military in World War II, the armed services set quotas for chaplains of various faiths, attempting to match the proportion of each denomination in the general population.

In a class-action lawsuit -- filed in 1999 in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia and still in the discovery, or evidence-gathering, stage -- more than 50 Navy chaplains contend that the formula became a rigid and discriminatory "thirds rule": one-third Catholics, one-third mainline Protestants and one-third everybody else.

According to Hum, the military abandoned numerical targets about 20 years ago, partly for legal reasons and partly because the proliferation of religious groups made the system unworkable. Although chaplains are paid by the armed services, they must be ordained and "endorsed," or nominated, by religious organizations.

Like college admissions officers, Pentagon officials now say they seek diversity without using quotas.

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>>>"Where is this bushchit coming from???"<<<

You can´t be serious?...You ardumb_bitchven this on Bush?

1rof1

Recently you were on about the ´religious right´ and how they need to be curbed...

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Christ Polly, this isn´t the fucking Crusades!
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Good!!

When I was in the military in boot camp we were forced to go to Sunday services. Jesus is not my savior and I don´t like having him shoved down my throat.

"What is a man of God doing preaching to killers anyway.............fuck."

1010, if you actually knew anything about the military you would know a chaplain is IN the military. So from your pathetic logic I guess that makes him a murderer too.
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A Noisy Takeoff for Air Force Guidelines on Religion
Evangelical Christians Contend Restrictions Imperil Free Exercise

By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 31, 2005; A20



Evangelical Christian groups, members of Congress and a senior military chaplain are pressing the Air Force to soften or drop its new restrictions on public prayers and evangelizing in the armed forces.

The Christian Coalition, Focus on the Family and other Christian advocacy groups have deluged the White House and Pentagon with thousands of phone calls, letters and e-mails denouncing the Air Force guidelines as an infringement of religious freedom.

Seventy House members sent a letter to President Bush last week objecting to the guidelines and urging him to issue an executive order protecting "the constitutional right of military chaplains to pray according to their faith." Thirty-five members of Congress signed a similar letter to the acting secretary of the Air Force.

About 10 days ago, the Air Force´s chief of chaplains, Maj. Gen. Charles C. Baldwin, sent a videotaped message to all of his active-duty and reserve chaplains and their assistants -- more than 1,000 people -- suggesting that the rules need to be changed and inviting their feedback to help the Air Force "get this right."

Baldwin, a Southern Baptist, also advised chaplains that the guidelines do not prevent senior officers from discussing their religious beliefs with subordinates.

"This is America, and for those of us who come from belief systems that require us to tell others of our faith and what we believe, this is so important that we feel free to do this. Just have to put it in the right context and never again coerce anyone to believe something that they don´t want to believe," he said on the videotape, obtained by The Washington Post.

The Air Force issued its three-page "Interim Guidelines Concerning Free Exercise of Religion in the Air Force" on Aug. 29 after allegations that evangelical Christian commanders, faculty and upperclassmen pressured cadets at the Air Force Academy.

The guidelines are worded as recommendations rather than as hard-and-fast rules. They urge commanders to be "sensitive" about discussing their faith with subordinates. "The more senior the individual, the more likely that personal expressions may be perceived to be official statements," they say.

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>>>"You ardumb_bitchven this on Bush?"<<<

That is not what I wrote...

The line originally was:

"You ardumb_bitchven this on Bush?"

Me thinks there is a spook in the code...



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blaming even
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ardumb_bitchven this
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Bizarre...

The words are:

are

blaming

even

this

How fucked up is that???

If/when I call Polly a bitch...I will make it known...lol
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GLP has developed turrettes syndrome

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And where are the words blaming this on Bush? I personally don´t see them anywhere -- Methinks thy dost protest too much....
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This thread topic is a sad commentary on the state of today´s need to walk on egg shells in every aspect of our lives.

The need to be politically/religiously "correct" is getting under my skin.

A.C. 942...1rof1

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