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WHO ARE "THE LEFT BEHIND"? YOU BE THE JUDGE!

 
Neim-Ya'shar (OP)

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6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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So we are the left-behinds?

There never was and never will be a rapture or anything like it or it already happened and we all missed it?


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So we are the left-behinds?

There never was and never will be a rapture or anything like it or it already happened and we all missed it?


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no if you understnd we are in tribulation we are the ones left behind until the coming of the lord we are the ones alive and will have to face the trials.

We are the ones will be tested and purged and proven.The people who are giving lip service right now will be exposed.

There is a false teaching that the church will be raptured for 3/1/2 years while all hell breaks loose on earth and the bad people will have to go through some 7 year tribulation and persecution

That is not the case
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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So we are the left-behinds?

There never was and never will be a rapture or anything like it or it already happened and we all missed it?


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no if you understnd we are in tribulation we are the ones left behind until the coming of the lord we are the ones alive and will have to face the trials.

We are the ones will be tested and purged and proven.The people who are giving lip service right now will be exposed.

There is a false teaching that the church will be raptured for 3/1/2 years while all hell breaks loose on earth and the bad people will have to go through some 7 year tribulation and persecution

That is not the case
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


+1
Sh'ma Yis'ra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad

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well intriguing for sure very dramtic!
i have to say though that wont be going to any christian heaven, im gay and none of my family will ether as we all "deny"CHRIST quite happily, as well all of my friends think christianity is one of the great evils on this planet, sooo ill be in hell with all the people that i really love. sounds good our spirits will shine together!
PEACE
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interesting choice of picture for your profile, as the christians slaughtered these people, total genocide rape murder and torture.murdered thousand of children after stealing them from thier families to breed the red out of them then dumped there bodies in the gardens of the school grounds
google it!
peaceful religion , and im supposed to believe your book why?
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well intriguing for sure very dramtic!
i have to say though that wont be going to any christian heaven, im gay and none of my family will ether as we all "deny"CHRIST quite happily, as well all of my friends think christianity is one of the great evils on this planet, sooo ill be in hell with all the people that i really love. sounds good our spirits will shine together!
PEACE
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Well seems like you happy and I will not force the issue but reconsider your options and read more..Open your heart and spirit to the truth.You BEING GAY DOES NOT MEAN THE END OF THE ROAD..There are liars and cheats and wicked people amongst is calling the name of God and may proclaim themselves better than you but they are not..

There are people born into certain beliefs and practices and had no choice but to follow the influence.You have an opportunity to understand the creator and learn to love him.He will work with you and eventually the love of him will start purging out anything tha is contrary.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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interesting choice of picture for your profile, as the christians slaughtered these people, total genocide rape murder and torture.murdered thousand of children after stealing them from thier families to breed the red out of them then dumped there bodies in the gardens of the school grounds
google it!
peaceful religion , and im supposed to believe your book why?
 Quoting: SANANDA 1862457


This is not about christianity if you had only a spirit of humility you will see the thread openly renounces these christian hypocrisies. I will go no further because you did not read the thread you are looking for contention when there is none
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I am so sick of you idiots that think you are going to be beamed up into Jesus's spaceship. Why can't you handle living in the real world? Why are you all such cowards?
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I am so sick of you idiots that think you are going to be beamed up into Jesus's spaceship. Why can't you handle living in the real world? Why are you all such cowards?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1082682


We are cowards for you! I am afraid for you! but not for myself.That is why we show you the way to righteousness.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I am so sick of you idiots that think you are going to be beamed up into Jesus's spaceship. Why can't you handle living in the real world? Why are you all such cowards?
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We are cowards for you! I am afraid for you! but not for myself.That is why we show you the way to righteousness.
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You are only trying to teach a hoax that you were stupid enough to fall for. It's all fantasy and magical thinking.
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I am so sick of you idiots that think you are going to be beamed up into Jesus's spaceship. Why can't you handle living in the real world? Why are you all such cowards?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1082682


We are cowards for you! I am afraid for you! but not for myself.That is why we show you the way to righteousness.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You are only trying to teach a hoax that you were stupid enough to fall for. It's all fantasy and magical thinking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1082682


I wish you read it though and decide what you want to do. ok
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I am so sick of you idiots that think you are going to be beamed up into Jesus's spaceship. Why can't you handle living in the real world? Why are you all such cowards?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1082682


um.......where exactly did OP talk about being beamed up in to Jesus's spaceship
Sh'ma Yis'ra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad

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I am so sick of you idiots that think you are going to be beamed up into Jesus's spaceship. Why can't you handle living in the real world? Why are you all such cowards?
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um.......where exactly did OP talk about being beamed up in to Jesus's spaceship
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I'm referring to anyone that believes in a "rapture." If you go up into the upper atmosphere without a space suit, your body will be crushed by the pressure of outer space, that is if you aren't already dead from lack of oxygen.

I know the REAL world is a scary place, but it's the only REAL world we have. You're wasting your time thinking anyone will be raptured or has ever been raptured. You can't get into outer space without a spaceship, okay?
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I am so sick of you idiots that think you are going to be beamed up into Jesus's spaceship. Why can't you handle living in the real world? Why are you all such cowards?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1082682


We are cowards for you! I am afraid for you! but not for myself.That is why we show you the way to righteousness.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You are only trying to teach a hoax that you were stupid enough to fall for. It's all fantasy and magical thinking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1082682


I wish you read it though and decide what you want to do. ok
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The only thing I want to do is get people to give up their idiotic superstitions and make themselves useful to humanity. Living in a fantasy world helps no one.
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I am so sick of you idiots that think you are going to be beamed up into Jesus's spaceship. Why can't you handle living in the real world? Why are you all such cowards?
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um.......where exactly did OP talk about being beamed up in to Jesus's spaceship
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I'm referring to anyone that believes in a "rapture." If you go up into the upper atmosphere without a space suit, your body will be crushed by the pressure of outer space, that is if you aren't already dead from lack of oxygen.

I know the REAL world is a scary place, but it's the only REAL world we have. You're wasting your time thinking anyone will be raptured or has ever been raptured. You can't get into outer space without a spaceship, okay?
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well clearly you did not read anything he posted.....he is showing that there is NO rapture.
go read again.
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I am so sick of you idiots that think you are going to be beamed up into Jesus's spaceship. Why can't you handle living in the real world? Why are you all such cowards?
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um.......where exactly did OP talk about being beamed up in to Jesus's spaceship
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I'm referring to anyone that believes in a "rapture." If you go up into the upper atmosphere without a space suit, your body will be crushed by the pressure of outer space, that is if you aren't already dead from lack of oxygen.

I know the REAL world is a scary place, but it's the only REAL world we have. You're wasting your time thinking anyone will be raptured or has ever been raptured. You can't get into outer space without a spaceship, okay?
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well clearly you did not read anything he posted.....he is showing that there is NO rapture.
go read again.
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Yes, but others are saying there IS! And, besides that, he's still promoting an alternative doctrine that is ALSO full of fantasy about "end times" and "messiahs" and "prophecy" all of which is non-sense.
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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um.......where exactly did OP talk about being beamed up in to Jesus's spaceship
 Quoting: Shamar


I'm referring to anyone that believes in a "rapture." If you go up into the upper atmosphere without a space suit, your body will be crushed by the pressure of outer space, that is if you aren't already dead from lack of oxygen.

I know the REAL world is a scary place, but it's the only REAL world we have. You're wasting your time thinking anyone will be raptured or has ever been raptured. You can't get into outer space without a spaceship, okay?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1082682


well clearly you did not read anything he posted.....he is showing that there is NO rapture.
go read again.
 Quoting: Shamar


Yes, but others are saying there IS! And, besides that, he's still promoting an alternative doctrine that is ALSO full of fantasy about "end times" and "messiahs" and "prophecy" all of which is non-sense.
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Sh'ma Yis'ra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I am so sick of you idiots that think you are going to be beamed up into Jesus's spaceship. Why can't you handle living in the real world? Why are you all such cowards?
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um.......where exactly did OP talk about being beamed up in to Jesus's spaceship
 Quoting: Shamar


I'm referring to anyone that believes in a "rapture." If you go up into the upper atmosphere without a space suit, your body will be crushed by the pressure of outer space, that is if you aren't already dead from lack of oxygen.

I know the REAL world is a scary place, but it's the only REAL world we have. You're wasting your time thinking anyone will be raptured or has ever been raptured. You can't get into outer space without a spaceship, okay?
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But, if you actually read the thread, the OP is clearly in agreement with you regarding the doctrine of rapture.

He believes it is false doctrine.
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I saw on TV sometime ago that the rapture is NOT mentioned in the bible and that it's a man-made idea.....So???
What you think about you bring about!!!
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I saw on TV sometime ago that the rapture is NOT mentioned in the bible and that it's a man-made idea.....So???
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Yes it was made up and the bible proves it
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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There is only perception. There is no non perception because non perception cannot be percieved and therefore cannot exist. That your current perception will no longer exist is inevitable, but all perception has a common "uness" and goes on.
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There is only perception. There is no non perception because non perception cannot be percieved and therefore cannot exist. That your current perception will no longer exist is inevitable, but all perception has a common "uness" and goes on.
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THAT IS FUNNY!
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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A shit load of words that means nothing in the real world.

Bah
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I am so sick of you idiots that think you are going to be beamed up into Jesus's spaceship. Why can't you handle living in the real world? Why are you all such cowards?
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um.......where exactly did OP talk about being beamed up in to Jesus's spaceship
 Quoting: Shamar


I'm referring to anyone that believes in a "rapture." If you go up into the upper atmosphere without a space suit, your body will be crushed by the pressure of outer space, that is if you aren't already dead from lack of oxygen.

I know the REAL world is a scary place, but it's the only REAL world we have. You're wasting your time thinking anyone will be raptured or has ever been raptured. You can't get into outer space without a spaceship, okay?
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Simple...physical laws don't affect spiritual bodies.
when the dead in Christ are resurected and the Saints are caught up they will be endowed with new spiritual bodies.

For the creator of the entire universe this is no hard task at all.
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huh? we are all left behinds because according to st,Matthews gospel the graves busted open at the moment of the Jesus death and the zombies got up and went into the city and scared the bejesus out of everyone...go back and read Matthews take of what happened the moment after jesus died on the cross ..according to him, we alive today are the leftovers and their has already been a rapture...where did all the zombies go after the went into the city?...and are we descended from the walking dead?
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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I saw on TV sometime ago that the rapture is NOT mentioned in the bible and that it's a man-made idea.....So???
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Yes it was made up and the bible proves it
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OP could you also give me your input in another popular doctrine that is controversial?

I beleve I have found reasonable doubt through studies and literature if the scripture that there is evidence that the lake of fire is not an eternal punishment but utter destruction after a season.

For instance many proponents of eternal torture use the verse in Revelations that says something to the effect of 'the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever'.

At first glance this does seem to promote eternal torture.But then it was pointed out to me that very similar language was used to describe Edoms complete destruction in the old testament.Obviously Edom has ceased vurning liong ago.Is is possible that this type of language is merely referring to the finallity and power of which Gods final judgement comes down,instead of eternal conscious torture?

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