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WHO ARE "THE LEFT BEHIND"? YOU BE THE JUDGE!

 
Neim-Ya'shar (OP)

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I saw on TV sometime ago that the rapture is NOT mentioned in the bible and that it's a man-made idea.....So???
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Yes it was made up and the bible proves it
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OP could you also give me your input in another popular doctrine that is controversial?

I beleve I have found reasonable doubt through studies and literature if the scripture that there is evidence that the lake of fire is not an eternal punishment but utter destruction after a season.

For instance many proponents of eternal torture use the verse in Revelations that says something to the effect of 'the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever'.

At first glance this does seem to promote eternal torture.But then it was pointed out to me that very similar language was used to describe Edoms complete destruction in the old testament.Obviously Edom has ceased vurning liong ago.Is is possible that this type of language is merely referring to the finallity and power of which Gods final judgement comes down,instead of eternal conscious torture?
 Quoting: gtw1983 13950159


SURE!
Thread: IS HELL A PLACE OF ETERNAL TORMENT? I SAY YES, WHAT SAY YE?
Thread: TORMENT OR COMFORT YOU DECIDE. "TEMPORARY PLACE BEFORE HELL OR PARADISE"

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 04/08/2012 01:09 AM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Another great thread full of truth. You know your stuff.

It's sad more people don't read the old testament, it's really good stuff. Ironically, these "superpowers" have been named in other cultures. NOTE: These "other cultures" are probably just part of the lost 10. Now, interesting SIDDHI's are the superpowers give to those who practice "Yoga" which means Union, as does LEVI. Keep up the good work.
-Shlm
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THIS SHIT NEEDS TO BE SAID AND PUSHED AT PRETRIB BELIEVERS... Most pre tribbers believe in the rapture more than they believe in Jesus... that's where the corrupt preachers come in... Every crazy ass apocalyptic thing they talk about is going to happen... to the pretribbers.. and when its over they won't believe in Jesus anymore and will fall for devil worship... Pretribbers are unwise virgins believing they don't need oil b/c some freemason tells them everyone else is a freemason and they're going to be raptured b4 TSHTF... to them the pretrib rapture is the most certain thing in the Bible, but even with a shallow reading you can see that nothing of the sort is going to happen.
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Do you think messiah can appear anytime within the next two years. Just your view not asking for a prediction. Thx
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Hi , my view on this issue is this when you see the war in iran starts that will be the turning point and people should be very concerned.
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And why should I start becoming very concerned? What shall be my major concern? What can I do to ward of this concern and have no concern at all?
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy."

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Directly from Jesus Christ:

There will be 3 ascension waves. (the first some heee in that forum call rapture)

The first wave will be about 5 to 10 weeks after the first peak of the tribulations. They shall begin at the end of April 2012. This ascension is combined with a change of location. Only few people will ascend. At a maximum 1 out of 350. (20 million). So yo have a good chance to stay here. All who ascend will leave the earth. Half of them stay on a spiritual level. Half of them come back about 3 months later (September 2012) and will help here the people to develop spiritually.

2. ascension wave: at the end of the 3 World War, during the 3 days- and nightdarkness. (without changing location. It is only a mentally ascension

3. ascension wave about 2015 - when the earth becomes uninhabitable because of nuclear war. Affectionate aliens will evacuate these people. This ascension will take place on another planet or in a spaceship.

Free yourself that Jesus comes to save you. He will not. He will be the leader of the affecionate laiens that will land in April/May 2012, however, he will not stay here. You are self responsible for your life. Noone comes to save you.

detailed information: [link to christus-spricht.com]
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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p.s... LOVE the picture of horse !
 Quoting: Shamar


leave my horse alone I will give you another one

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 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


in regard to horses; a story:

i met a young, lively in "spirit" woman; her name was "Lauren"; not sure of spelling.

she was young; recent college graduate; Virginia i think

said for 13 yrs had "worked" with horses; was a "virtual" encyclopedia of "horse history"

told me a story about a horse whose future was the "glue factory"; seems it had "raw talent"; but bad "behavorial" issues

the "outcome" of the horse's future was contingent on her being able to ride it through a "laid-out" course; with minimal "guidance"

so; scrutinized by the "judge/stable-owner"; Lauren rode the horse sucessfully through the maze

the judge; though impressed, was still undecided; knowing the considerable "past" issues of the horse in question

so Lauren whispered in the horse's ear, "..you do it; all you."

then she let go of the reigns; and the horse "trotted [??]"
unwavering through the course; on its own

we talked more; finally she said the worse thing they do to a horse is put "trainers" on the legs of the horse; to make them "walk" a certain way

she encouraged me to get to know horses; said they "sense" your "spirit"; told me i could volunteer at a nearby stable

i felt; after we had parted ways, who i had been speaking with is "horse spirit"
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The real left behinds are those who endure till the coming of messiah"THOSE OF US WHO ARE ALIVE". That includes every man alive on the earth.

Time and time again I have repeated there is no 7 year tribulation as taught in churches.Why do you let these jewish men dictate to you the false doctrines while they hijack our books and true teachings of messiah
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I will add here that there is a second exodus and true believers will be directed as to how to leave babylon and get to safety.That is another lesson I posted called the second exodus

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I will also show that there is no going to heaven but that the righteous saints will put on immortality and fight in the Messiahs army
JOEL CHAPTER 2


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*People are in tribulation*

We have been in tribulation since 70ad experiencing the times of jacob's trouble.There will be an intensifying of persecution on true obedient beleivers and those who are conformed to the statutes and laws of mesiah.


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*IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND*There will be a rogue government acting on behalf of the evil edomites which includes the false christian organizations,Judaism,Rome, Islam and world governments.all under the umbrella of that beast of revelation chapter 13.

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**WARNING**
Don't for a moment Christians and Israelites think you will be raptured away in your disobedience up to heaven and watch on while sipping coffee and eating cookies.We all will be tested until messiah appears every man!When a mans work and his faith is tried during this time and found worthy only then will the harvesting begin at the appearing of the messiah.

The wicked and the just are facing this time together untill it reaches its climax


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Lets take a look at the real left behind and not what you believe in the stupid hollywood hoax that all christians spent money on to be fooled.


The book of 2nd Esdras chapter 13

12 Afterward saw I the same man come down from the mountain, and call unto him another peaceable Multitude.


13 And there came much people unto him, whereof some were glad, some were sorry, and some of them were bound, and other some brought of them that were offered: then was I sick through great fear, and I awaked, and said,


14 Thou hast shewed thy servant these wonders from the beginning, and hast counted me worthy that thou shouldest receive my prayer:


15 Shew me now yet the interpretation of this dream.


16 For as I conceive in mine understanding, woe unto them that shall be left in those days and much more woe unto them that are not left behind!


17 For they that were not left were in heaviness.


18 Now understand I the things that are laid up in the latter days, which shall happen unto them, and to those that are left behind.


19 Therefore are they come into great perils and many necessities, like as these dreams declare.


20 Yet is it easier for him that is in danger to come into these things, than to pass away as a cloud out of the world, and not to see the things that happen in the last days. And he answered unto me, and said,


21 The interpretation of the vision shall I shew thee, and I will open unto thee the thing that thou hast required.


22 Whereas thou hast spoken of them that are left behind, this is the interpretation:

23 He that shall endure the peril in that time hath kept himself: they that be fallen into danger are such as have works, and faith toward the Almighty.


24 Know this therefore, that they which be left behind are more blessed than they that be dead.


25 This is the meaning of the vision: Whereas thou sawest a man coming up from the midst of the sea:


26 The same is he whom God the Highest hath kept a great season, which by his own self shall deliver his creature: and he shall order them that are left behind.


27 And whereas thou sawest, that out of his mouth there came as a blast of wind, and fire, and storm;


28 And that he held neither sword, nor any instrument of war, but that the rushing in of him destroyed the whole multitude that came to subdue him; this is the interpretation:


29 Behold, the days come, when the most High will begin to deliver them that are upon the earth.


30 And he shall come to the astonishment of them that dwell on the earth.


31 And one shall undertake to fight against another, one city against another, one place against another, one people against another, and one realm against another.

NOTES:AT THIS POINT CAN'T YOU SEE WE ARE IN TRIBULATION?


32 And the time shall be when these things shall come to pass, and the signs shall happen which I shewed thee before, and then shall my Son be declared, whom thou sawest as a man ascending.


33 And when all the people hear his voice, every man shall in their own land leave the battle they have one against another.


34 And an innumerable multitude shall be gathered together, as thou sawest them, willing to come, and to overcome him by fighting.


35 But he shall stand upon the top of the mount Sion.


36 And Sion shall come, and shall be shewed to all men, being prepared and builded, like as thou sawest the hill graven without hands.


37 And this my Son shall rebuke the wicked inventions of those nations, which for their wicked life are fallen into the tempest;


38 And shall lay before them their evil thoughts, and the torments wherewith they shall begin to be tormented, which are like unto a flame: and he shall destroy them without labour by the law which is like unto me.



PAY ATTENTION ALL YOU DOUBTERS THIS IS FOR YOU WHO TRY TO DISCOUNT THE ORIGINS OF THE TRUE PEOPLES AND WHERE THEY WENT TO.*THE NEW WORLD WHERE NO MAN EVER INHABITED*

39 And whereas thou sawest that he gathered another peaceable multitude unto him;


40 Those are the ten tribes, which were carried away prisoners out of their own land in the time of Osea the king, whom Salmanasar the king of Assyria led away captive, and he carried them over the waters, and so came they into another land.


41 But they took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,


42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.


43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.



HEAVEN? YOU SAINTS THE OBEDIENT AND FAITHFUL WILL JOIN THE FATHERS ARMY WHEN YOU PUT ON IMMORTALITY AND FIGHT AGAINST THE WICKED, YOU WILL BE AS JUDAH AND HIS BROTHERS OF OLD LEAPING AND DOING THINGS LIKE SUPER HEROES.



Reference to the immortal saints: Zec chapter 9
When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man
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14 And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the LORD God shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.

15 The LORD of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones

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joel chapter 2

1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

:BFGFF:

2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

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3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.


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4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

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5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.


6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

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7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

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Reference to immortality
COR Chapter 15


52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory


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9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

12 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:

13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.


REFERENCE: TO RUTH A GENTILE COMMITTING TO THE WAYS OF NAOMI'S HEBREW GOD.
16 And Ruth said, Entreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:

17 Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the LORD do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me


NOTES:Every man is called to this disciplship and must adhere to his commands and laws like Ruth did


14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?

15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:

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Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?

18 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people.

19 Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:

20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.

21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things.



*NEWS FLASH*

*Many doubt also that we will fight against the wicked and recompense all the evil they did to us as a people.Here is what the bible says*

joel chapter 3

3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;

5 Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things:
6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.

7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:



HOW COME THEY DON'T TEACH YOU THIS ON YOUR LEFT BEHIND TAPES?:gfgrfgfg:YOU ARE TO NAIVE TO SEE THE TRUTH!

*NEWS FLASH*


zec chapter 10

3Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the LORD of hosts hath visited his flock the house of Judah, and hath made them as his goodly horse in the battle.

4 Out of him came forth the corner, out of him the nail, out of him the battle bow, out of him every oppressor together.

5 And they shall be as mighty men, which tread down their enemies in the mire of the streets in the battle: and they shall fight, because the LORD is with them, and the riders on horses shall be confounded.

6 And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the LORD their God, and will hear them.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


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