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Was Judas 'predestained' to betray Jesus? If so, was it a sin?

 
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" But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were murmuring about this, said to them: “Does this stumble YOU? What, therefore, if YOU should behold the Son of man ascending to where he was before?  It is the spirit that is life-giving; the flesh is of no use at all. The sayings that I have spoken to YOU are spirit and are life.  But there are some of YOU that do not believe.” For from [the] beginning Jesus knew who were the ones not believing and who was the one that would betray him. So he went on to say: “This is why I have said to YOU, No one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” Jo6:61
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If Jesus was so famous, why did they need someone close to him to point him out? There should of been plenty of people that knew what he looked like, including the priests and pharisees. Never made a lick of sense to me.

And how did Judas really die anyway? The NT has two very different accounts - someone is lying.....
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The purpose of the disciples as far as I've been told was to act as trainees to carry on his work after he was gone. This idea of an entourage to announce his arrival at a place or event is something I've never heard before.
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If Jesus was so famous, why did they need someone close to him to point him out? There should of been plenty of people that knew what he looked like, including the priests and pharisees. Never made a lick of sense to me.

And how did Judas really die anyway? The NT has two very different accounts - someone is lying.....
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Nooo, not predestined. Jesus just knew the thing because he is God.

1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Rv.22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last...I Jesus have sent my angel to testify to you these things in the churches.
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Nooo, not predestined. Jesus just knew the thing because he is God.

1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Rv.22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last...I Jesus have sent my angel to testify to you these things in the churches.
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I'm thinking he knew Judas' heart when he showed lack of appreciation for Jesus' love;
Accordingly Jesus, six days before the passover, arrived at Beth′a‧ny, where Laz′a‧rus was whom Jesus had raised up from the dead. 2 Therefore they spread an evening meal for him there, and Martha was ministering, but Laz′a‧rus was one of those reclining at the table with him. 3 Mary, therefore, took a pound of perfumed oil, genuine nard, very costly, and she greased the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet dry with her hair. The house became filled with the scent of the perfumed oil. 4 But Judas Is‧car′i‧ot, one of his disciples, who was about to betray him, said: 5 “Why was it this perfumed oil was not sold for three hundred de‧nar′i‧i and given to the poor people?” 6 He said this, though, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief and had the money box and used to carry off the monies put in it. 7 Therefore Jesus said: “Let her alone, that she may keep this observance in view of the day of my burial. 8 For YOU have the poor always with YOU, but me YOU will not have always.” Jo12:1
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Knowing what Judas would do and making him do it are two different things.
What is you ulterior motive for asking? That if people are "predestined" they have no control over anything? wrong. You have a choice.
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If Jesus was so famous, why did they need someone close to him to point him out? There should of been plenty of people that knew what he looked like, including the priests and pharisees. Never made a lick of sense to me.

And how did Judas really die anyway? The NT has two very different accounts - someone is lying.....
 Quoting: Da Purple Chicken


Look... Purple..... just stay focused on whatever coupon specials you get in the mail..K
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LOL! Gotcha! No answer huh?tounge
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If Jesus was so famous, why did they need someone close to him to point him out? There should of been plenty of people that knew what he looked like, including the priests and pharisees. Never made a lick of sense to me.

And how did Judas really die anyway? The NT has two very different accounts - someone is lying.....
 Quoting: Da Purple Chicken


Look... Purple..... just stay focused on whatever coupon specials you get in the mail..K
 Quoting: DGN


LOL! Gotcha! No answer huh?tounge
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Was it Jesus who was in need?
"6 However, Jesus said to them: “They do not have to leave: YOU give them something to eat.” 17 They said to him: “We have nothing here but five loaves and two fishes.” 18 He said: “BRING them here to me.” 19 Next he commanded the crowds to recline on the grass and took the five loaves and two fishes, and, looking up to heaven, he said a blessing and, after breaking the loaves, he distributed them to the disciples, the disciples in turn to the crowds. 20 So all ate and were satisfied, and they took up the surplus of fragments, twelve baskets full. 21 Yet those eating were about five thousand men, besides women and young children. 22 Then, without delay, he compelled his disciples to board the boat and go ahead of him to the other side, while he sent the crowds away." Mt6:38
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" But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were murmuring about this, said to them: “Does this stumble YOU? What, therefore, if YOU should behold the Son of man ascending to where he was before?  It is the spirit that is life-giving; the flesh is of no use at all. The sayings that I have spoken to YOU are spirit and are life.  But there are some of YOU that do not believe.” For from [the] beginning Jesus knew who were the ones not believing and who was the one that would betray him. So he went on to say: “This is why I have said to YOU, No one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” Jo6:61
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I think he didnt betray Jesus I think he was trying to save him by reaching a deal with the Sanhedrin, deportation of Christ but his life spared. He probably wasnt alone in this.
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Judas was concerned for the poor. He was the treasurer for the disciples. He was tasked by Jesus to have the arrest take place away from the crowds to prevent a riot. As a former Pharisee, he was the man for the job.

Peter was also instructed to deny Jesus for his own protection. They would need him later.

Paul was never a true disciple, for he would not allow women any say in the matter. THAT was the source of division in the early church, the role of women, Mary Magdalene in particular.
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" But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were murmuring about this, said to them: “Does this stumble YOU? What, therefore, if YOU should behold the Son of man ascending to where he was before?  It is the spirit that is life-giving; the flesh is of no use at all. The sayings that I have spoken to YOU are spirit and are life.  But there are some of YOU that do not believe.” For from [the] beginning Jesus knew who were the ones not believing and who was the one that would betray him. So he went on to say: “This is why I have said to YOU, No one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” Jo6:61
 Quoting: DGN


I think he didnt betray Jesus I think he was trying to save him by reaching a deal with the Sanhedrin, deportation of Christ but his life spared. He probably wasnt alone in this.
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He wasn't exactly alone;
"Now the festival of the unfermented cakes, the so-called Passover, was getting near. 2 Also, the chief priests and the scribes were seeking the effective way for them to get rid of him, for they were in fear of the people. 3 But Satan entered into Judas, the one called Is‧car′i‧ot, who was numbered among the twelve; 4 and he went off and talked with the chief priests and [temple] captains about the effective way to betray him to them. 5 Well, they rejoiced and agreed to give him silver money. 6 So he consented, and he began to seek a good opportunity to betray him to them without a crowd around." Lk22:1
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Just more giant contradictions from that book of BS.
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Knowing what Judas would do and making him do it are two different things.
What is you ulterior motive for asking? That if people are "predestined" they have no control over anything? wrong. You have a choice.
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Right and so did Judas;
"Happy is the man that keeps on enduring trial, because on becoming approved he will receive the crown of life, which Jehovah promised to those who continue loving him. 13 When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. 14 But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death." Ja1:12
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Knowing what Judas would do and making him do it are two different things.
What is you ulterior motive for asking? That if people are "predestined" they have no control over anything? wrong. You have a choice.
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Right and so did Judas;
"Happy is the man that keeps on enduring trial, because on becoming approved he will receive the crown of life, which Jehovah promised to those who continue loving him. 13 When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone. 14 But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death." Ja1:12
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That is not how that scripture goes.
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If Jesus was so famous, why did they need someone close to him to point him out? There should of been plenty of people that knew what he looked like, including the priests and pharisees. Never made a lick of sense to me.

And how did Judas really die anyway? The NT has two very different accounts - someone is lying.....
 Quoting: Da Purple Chicken


Look... Purple..... just stay focused on whatever coupon specials you get in the mail..K
 Quoting: DGN


LOL! Gotcha! No answer huh?tounge
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Was it Jesus who was in need?
"6 However, Jesus said to them: “They do not have to leave: YOU give them something to eat.” 17 They said to him: “We have nothing here but five loaves and two fishes.” 18 He said: “BRING them here to me.” 19 Next he commanded the crowds to recline on the grass and took the five loaves and two fishes, and, looking up to heaven, he said a blessing and, after breaking the loaves, he distributed them to the disciples, the disciples in turn to the crowds. 20 So all ate and were satisfied, and they took up the surplus of fragments, twelve baskets full. 21 Yet those eating were about five thousand men, besides women and young children. 22 Then, without delay, he compelled his disciples to board the boat and go ahead of him to the other side, while he sent the crowds away." Mt6:38
 Quoting: DGN


See? At least 5000 knew exactly what he looked like.

Plus, there are quite a few passages that tell about Jesus having conversations with the pharisees - they knew who he was and didn't need someone to point him out.
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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DGN, did you remove my post, or did I not post it right? Judas was NOT the Betrayer. It was Juda Ithariot.
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" But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were murmuring about this, said to them: “Does this stumble YOU? What, therefore, if YOU should behold the Son of man ascending to where he was before?  It is the spirit that is life-giving; the flesh is of no use at all. The sayings that I have spoken to YOU are spirit and are life.  But there are some of YOU that do not believe.” For from [the] beginning Jesus knew who were the ones not believing and who was the one that would betray him. So he went on to say: “This is why I have said to YOU, No one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” Jo6:61
 Quoting: DGN


DGN, would you PLEASE consider availing yourself of this book. Judas WAS NOT THE BETRAYER! It was juda Ihariot son of a pharisee. [link to tweeofmeer.webs.com] Judas himself gives the truth along with "Jesus" in this book. And then after you read that, go to this version, as you will understand better where this version came from.

and forget that I posted below about the missing post, I didn't send it. I have to finish this later.
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You know, the population of the world is dramatically higher toady than it was in the 1st century - estimated at around only 300 million - estimates for Judea run between only 200,000 to 400,000. If 5000 people sat and listened to Jesus, that's an entire 10% of the whole population in just that one day.

Everyone must have known who he was.

Not trying to give you a hard time DGN but really, think about it? Why did they need Judas?
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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If he had existed then the guards would have known who he was so no-one would have needed to betray him. Yet you nutjobs still continue to believe your little fairy stories.
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" But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were murmuring about this, said to them: “Does this stumble YOU? What, therefore, if YOU should behold the Son of man ascending to where he was before?  It is the spirit that is life-giving; the flesh is of no use at all. The sayings that I have spoken to YOU are spirit and are life.  But there are some of YOU that do not believe.” For from [the] beginning Jesus knew who were the ones not believing and who was the one that would betray him. So he went on to say: “This is why I have said to YOU, No one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” Jo6:61
 Quoting: DGN


It might have been predestined (if he didn't possess the normal Human free-will; ie, if he was some sort of Hybrid lower life form).

If he did have free will (was fully Human), then it wasn't predestined.

But either way, Jesus knew he would do it.

And either way, it was sinful.

Either way, he receives punishment (or loses the reward, soul salvation) for it. I'm not sure if suicide would be a proper atonement for what he did, but I doubt it because suicide is violence against the Self (the great commandment is "love God, Others, and Self").

So bottom line is, Judas was a very violent, hateful man. And he was unable to experience the joy of love.
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" But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were murmuring about this, said to them: “Does this stumble YOU? What, therefore, if YOU should behold the Son of man ascending to where he was before?  It is the spirit that is life-giving; the flesh is of no use at all. The sayings that I have spoken to YOU are spirit and are life.  But there are some of YOU that do not believe.” For from [the] beginning Jesus knew who were the ones not believing and who was the one that would betray him. So he went on to say: “This is why I have said to YOU, No one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” Jo6:61
 Quoting: DGN


DGN, would you PLEASE consider availing yourself of this book. Judas WAS NOT THE BETRAYER! It was juda Ihariot son of a pharisee. [link to tweeofmeer.webs.com] Judas himself gives the truth along with "Jesus" in this book. And then after you read that, go to this version, as you will understand better where this version came from.

and forget that I posted below about the missing post, I didn't send it. I have to finish this later.
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Read a book about Jesus' betrayer? Seems more opportune to read about the living than the dead;
"The words of the wise ones are like oxgoads, and just like nails driven in are those indulging in collections [of sentences]; they have been given from one shepherd. 12 As regards anything besides these, my son, take a warning: To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion [to them] is wearisome to the flesh." Ecc12:11
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" But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were murmuring about this, said to them: “Does this stumble YOU? What, therefore, if YOU should behold the Son of man ascending to where he was before?  It is the spirit that is life-giving; the flesh is of no use at all. The sayings that I have spoken to YOU are spirit and are life.  But there are some of YOU that do not believe.” For from [the] beginning Jesus knew who were the ones not believing and who was the one that would betray him. So he went on to say: “This is why I have said to YOU, No one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” Jo6:61
 Quoting: DGN


DGN, would you PLEASE consider availing yourself of this book. Judas WAS NOT THE BETRAYER! It was juda Ihariot son of a pharisee. [link to tweeofmeer.webs.com] Judas himself gives the truth along with "Jesus" in this book. And then after you read that, go to this version, as you will understand better where this version came from.

and forget that I posted below about the missing post, I didn't send it. I have to finish this later.
 Quoting: Nobody in Particular


Read a book about Jesus' betrayer? Seems more opportune to read about the living than the dead;
"The words of the wise ones are like oxgoads, and just like nails driven in are those indulging in collections [of sentences]; they have been given from one shepherd. 12 As regards anything besides these, my son, take a warning: To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion [to them] is wearisome to the flesh." Ecc12:11
 Quoting: DGN


Good verse! This should apply to everything written after Ecclesiates - which would be any book included in the present day bible written after the 3rd century BC.
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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" But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were murmuring about this, said to them: “Does this stumble YOU? What, therefore, if YOU should behold the Son of man ascending to where he was before?  It is the spirit that is life-giving; the flesh is of no use at all. The sayings that I have spoken to YOU are spirit and are life.  But there are some of YOU that do not believe.” For from [the] beginning Jesus knew who were the ones not believing and who was the one that would betray him. So he went on to say: “This is why I have said to YOU, No one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” Jo6:61
 Quoting: DGN


DGN, would you PLEASE consider availing yourself of this book. Judas WAS NOT THE BETRAYER! It was juda Ihariot son of a pharisee. [link to tweeofmeer.webs.com] Judas himself gives the truth along with "Jesus" in this book. And then after you read that, go to this version, as you will understand better where this version came from.

and forget that I posted below about the missing post, I didn't send it. I have to finish this later.
 Quoting: Nobody in Particular


Read a book about Jesus' betrayer? Seems more opportune to read about the living than the dead;
"The words of the wise ones are like oxgoads, and just like nails driven in are those indulging in collections [of sentences]; they have been given from one shepherd. 12 As regards anything besides these, my son, take a warning: To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion [to them] is wearisome to the flesh." Ecc12:11
 Quoting: DGN


Good verse! This should apply to everything written after Ecclesiates - which would be any book included in the present day bible written after the 3rd century BC.
 Quoting: Da Purple Chicken

Ha! Cleaver girl Chicken but would you not want this for your children;
"“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.

4 “Happy are those who mourn, since they will be comforted.

5 “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.

6 “Happy are those hungering and thirsting for righteousness, since they will be filled.

7 “Happy are the merciful, since they will be shown mercy.

8 “Happy are the pure in heart, since they will see God.

9 “Happy are the peaceable, since they will be called ‘sons of God.’ Mt5:3
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DGN, would you PLEASE consider availing yourself of this book. Judas WAS NOT THE BETRAYER! It was juda Ihariot son of a pharisee. [link to tweeofmeer.webs.com] Judas himself gives the truth along with "Jesus" in this book. And then after you read that, go to this version, as you will understand better where this version came from.

and forget that I posted below about the missing post, I didn't send it. I have to finish this later.
 Quoting: Nobody in Particular


Read a book about Jesus' betrayer? Seems more opportune to read about the living than the dead;
"The words of the wise ones are like oxgoads, and just like nails driven in are those indulging in collections [of sentences]; they have been given from one shepherd. 12 As regards anything besides these, my son, take a warning: To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion [to them] is wearisome to the flesh." Ecc12:11
 Quoting: DGN


Good verse! This should apply to everything written after Ecclesiates - which would be any book included in the present day bible written after the 3rd century BC.
 Quoting: Da Purple Chicken

Ha! Cleaver girl Chicken but would you not want this for your children;
"“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.

4 “Happy are those who mourn, since they will be comforted.

5 “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.

6 “Happy are those hungering and thirsting for righteousness, since they will be filled.

7 “Happy are the merciful, since they will be shown mercy.

8 “Happy are the pure in heart, since they will see God.

9 “Happy are the peaceable, since they will be called ‘sons of God.’ Mt5:3
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"There is nothing new under the sun..."

The beatitudes did not originate with Jesus - they are from the Tanakh and Talmud



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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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Read a book about Jesus' betrayer? Seems more opportune to read about the living than the dead;
"The words of the wise ones are like oxgoads, and just like nails driven in are those indulging in collections [of sentences]; they have been given from one shepherd. 12 As regards anything besides these, my son, take a warning: To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion [to them] is wearisome to the flesh." Ecc12:11
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Good verse! This should apply to everything written after Ecclesiates - which would be any book included in the present day bible written after the 3rd century BC.
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Ha! Cleaver girl Chicken but would you not want this for your children;
"“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.

4 “Happy are those who mourn, since they will be comforted.

5 “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.

6 “Happy are those hungering and thirsting for righteousness, since they will be filled.

7 “Happy are the merciful, since they will be shown mercy.

8 “Happy are the pure in heart, since they will see God.

9 “Happy are the peaceable, since they will be called ‘sons of God.’ Mt5:3
 Quoting: DGN


"There is nothing new under the sun..."

The beatitudes did not originate with Jesus - they are from the Tanakh and Talmud



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 Quoting: Da Purple Chicken

The narrator seemed unable to exceed the "so called wisdom" with any of her own. Seemed like she was declining her invitation to Jehovah's kingdom, misery loves company?
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Good verse! This should apply to everything written after Ecclesiates - which would be any book included in the present day bible written after the 3rd century BC.
 Quoting: Da Purple Chicken

Ha! Cleaver girl Chicken but would you not want this for your children;
"“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.

4 “Happy are those who mourn, since they will be comforted.

5 “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.

6 “Happy are those hungering and thirsting for righteousness, since they will be filled.

7 “Happy are the merciful, since they will be shown mercy.

8 “Happy are the pure in heart, since they will see God.

9 “Happy are the peaceable, since they will be called ‘sons of God.’ Mt5:3
 Quoting: DGN


"There is nothing new under the sun..."

The beatitudes did not originate with Jesus - they are from the Tanakh and Talmud



[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Da Purple Chicken

The narrator seemed unable to exceed the "so called wisdom" with any of her own. Seemed like she was declining her invitation to Jehovah's kingdom, misery loves company?
iamwith
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You and all the other jehovah's witnesses are blasphemous.
She just goes a little mad sometimes. We all go a little mad sometimes. Haven't you?
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I think that rich people should live like poor people, and poor people should live like rich people, and change every week....
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Somebody help me, tell me where to go from here cause even Thugs cry, but do the Lord care?
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I don't have no fear of death. My only fear is coming back reincarnated.
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I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color.
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A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.
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When there’s no more room in Hell, the dead will walk the Earth.
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What an excellent day for an exorcism.
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The narrator seemed unable to exceed the "so called wisdom" with any of her own. Seemed like she was declining her invitation to Jehovah's kingdom, misery loves company?
iamwith
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Huh? How did you get that of the video?

Besides, you totally ignored discussing the info presented and instead, criticized the narrator. Whether or not she "got" the message of the scripture, either the original in the Tanakh or the sermon on the mount in the NT, is besides the point.

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“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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The narrator seemed unable to exceed the "so called wisdom" with any of her own. Seemed like she was declining her invitation to Jehovah's kingdom, misery loves company?
iamwith
 Quoting: DGN


Huh? How did you get that of the video?

Besides, you totally ignored discussing the info presented and instead, criticized the narrator. Whether or not she "got" the message of the scripture, either the original in the Tanakh or the sermon on the mount in the NT, is besides the point.

naughty
 Quoting: Da Purple Chicken


It is incorrect which is why it gets no attention.
She just goes a little mad sometimes. We all go a little mad sometimes. Haven't you?
-Norman Bates

I think that rich people should live like poor people, and poor people should live like rich people, and change every week....
-Tupac Shakur

Somebody help me, tell me where to go from here cause even Thugs cry, but do the Lord care?
-Tupac Shakur

I don't have no fear of death. My only fear is coming back reincarnated.
-Tupac Shakur

I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color.
-Malcolm X

A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.
-Malcolm X

When there’s no more room in Hell, the dead will walk the Earth.
-Dawn of the Dead

What an excellent day for an exorcism.
-The Exorcist
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Re: Was Judas 'predestained' to betray Jesus? If so, was it a sin?
well, if he was predestined to betray Jesus, and was thus non complicit in any sin, what does that say about all of us? it's really a question of free will versus fate. if we are all destined to commit certain actions that are beyond our control, are we sinning when we fall down? sounds kind of like minority report....
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Judas turned Jesus over to the Romans and Jewish traitors of Jesus but Judas intention was to rally the people that loved Jesus into a frenzy to come and force Rome out of Jerusalem.

In other words Judas fully expected the people to rise up, but they did'nt.

In either case Judas before he hanged himself said he betrayed innocent blood. That saying by a Jewish man is to say the man Jesus was not of this earth. There is no innocent blood on earth from a sin nature point of view.

So Judas sinned a terrible sin but he repented before he died, he was so grieved by what he had done he would not keep the thirty pieces of gold, about 40,000 - 60,000 dollars in today's money.

Judas was a doubter of Jesus but he did not hate Jesus he was just trying to accomplish his goal of forcing Roman occupation out of Israel. He used Jesus as a pawn in that plan and when the plan backfired by the time he was done
he relaize that Jesus really was who he said he was. Judas could not bear the thought of what he had done. It is sad because I'm sure if Judas had asked Jesus would have forgiven him. However the believers on earth would never be ever able to get over what Judas did.








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find and read the Book of Judas.
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Let the dead bury the dead, the living read the living word of the living God;
"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.' 2Ti3:16
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That is a true statement...so why don't you do yourself?
Jesus Christ is God almighty......Your watchtower cult
has blinded you. Repent so you may understand the mystery
of godliness.Do not enter eternity espousing what you do about
The Living God...you are ill prepared to withstand the glory
of the one (Jesus) you call a created being.

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